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I am trying to run a Daemon that will interpret Infrared signals from 04:31 < dks> my libman remote using lirc. I am using RedHat 9 and have compiled the 04:31 < dks> required binarys. My problem is that when I run them on a ltsp terminal v3 04:31 < dks> I get the error: 04:31 < dks> /lib/libc.so.6 version 'GLIBC_2.3' not found. 04:32 < dks> My question is how do I build my binarys on RH9 04:32 < dks> with the correct shared libs for ltsp3. 04:51 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 04:51 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:51 -!- dks [~daryl@p61.syd.cis.net.au] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 04:56 -!- keyur [~keyurbhat@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 04:57 < keyur> whether windows emulator on linux wine would work with ltsp? 04:58 < keyur> which windows emulator is suitable? 04:58 < keyur> i have find two good emulator 04:58 < keyur> one is wine 04:58 < keyur> and another is win4lin 04:58 < keyur> which is best 05:00 < t0m> there's a difference 05:00 < t0m> win4lin will still require you to install windows 05:01 < t0m> win4lin will emulate a computer 05:01 < t0m> wine will allow you to run certain windows applications under linux 05:01 < keyur> so wine is better for our ltsp 05:02 < t0m> depends 05:02 < t0m> not every application will run on wine 05:02 < keyur> but i find wine quite difficult in configuration 05:02 < keyur> i don't want to install windows on same machine so wine is only solution 05:04 < keyur> is there any other sollution which will work better with ltsp and allows windows program to run on linux machine 05:05 -!- penguini [~pka@ocmax8-086.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:05 < t0m> it depends on what windows programs you want to are un 05:05 < t0m> to run 05:05 < keyur> some exe files 05:06 < keyur> but access database support is not possible with this exe i think 05:06 < t0m> ok, that's not helping 05:10 < t0m> anyway, your options are: vmware, win4lin, codeweavers or wine 05:11 < keyur> which one is best by your view 05:16 -!- dawson_ [~dawson@211.26.234.165] has joined #ltsp 05:17 -!- Faithful [~faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:17 < t0m> depends on what you want to run 05:17 < t0m> and what you need 05:17 < t0m> both vmware and win4lin require a windows license 05:21 -!- penguini [~pka@ocmax8-086.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 05:24 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 05:27 < keyur> so codeweavers and wine does not require windows 05:27 < keyur> if only licence is required then no problem 05:31 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:34 < t0m> codeweavers and wine do not require a windows license / installation 05:36 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 05:39 < keyur> i want to run autocad 05:40 < keyur> which is suitable among this 05:40 -!- Prinzen^ZzZ is now known as Prinzen 05:40 < keyur> because in wine adobe photoshop is there 05:42 < keyur> wine supports adobe photoshop 05:42 < keyur> but i want to support autocad 05:42 < keyur> which one is suitable 05:42 < t0m> pheew 05:43 < keyur> pheew ? 05:43 < t0m> i wouldn't know .. but autocad seems like a heavy application to be run with wine 05:43 < keyur> oh.. 05:43 -!- pos [~pos@209-193-29-4-cdsl-rb1.fai.acsalaska.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:43 < keyur> then any other solution 05:44 < keyur> adobe photoshop is also heavy one 05:44 < t0m> yes but still .. you could try it with wine 05:45 < keyur> ok i will try first wine and then autocad 05:45 < keyur> will it works with ltsp? 05:46 < t0m> i think so 05:47 < keyur> ok i try on it 05:49 < keyur> in wine i have to just install rpm and configure it that's finish 05:49 < keyur> or extra problems are there 05:54 < keyur> i m currently going through wine documentation 05:55 < keyur> tom : ok i will inform u my progress and takes help from u if required 06:00 -!- TheMani [~manimay@pD9544924.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 06:01 -!- TheMani [~manimay@pD9544924.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:11 -!- krazh [~ws001@210.186.244.225] has joined #ltsp 06:11 -!- keyur [~keyurbhat@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:11 < krazh> haloo 06:11 < krazh> how do i configure etherboot image using grub 06:12 -!- keyur [~keyurbhat@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 06:26 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@p78-tnt2.adl.ihug.com.au] has joined #LTSP 06:41 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 06:45 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 06:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 06:51 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 06:52 < robbie> drevil3: nslookup www.ltsp.org 06:52 < drevil3> www.ltsp.org is 66.35.250.210 06:52 -!- Mundy_ [~mundy@p54-max6.adl.ihug.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:52 < robbie> drevil3: quit 06:52 < drevil3> robbie: huh? 06:52 < robbie> drevil3: SIGHUP 06:52 < drevil3> robbie: excuse me? 07:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:01 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:11 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:16 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit ["moo"] 07:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:21 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:25 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 07:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:30 -!- krazh [~ws001@210.186.244.225] has quit ["Client exiting"] 07:31 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:35 -!- turtle_ is now known as OOps[ 07:38 -!- keyur [~keyurbhat@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 07:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:41 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:41 -!- dawson_ [~dawson@211.26.234.165] has quit ["cya"] 07:45 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 08:17 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 09:09 -!- packet [~jgabriel@174102196.virtua.com.br] has joined #ltsp 09:10 < packet> hello 09:10 < packet> c;ear 09:10 < packet> anybody is here? 09:10 -!- packet is now known as optiklenz 09:11 < Vee2d2> that's a silly question 09:12 < optiklenz> :D 09:12 < optiklenz> i have a question 09:12 < optiklenz> i have 3 workstations 09:12 < optiklenz> and for one workstation i have one printer 09:12 < optiklenz> example 09:13 < optiklenz> ws001 - printer01 09:13 < optiklenz> ws002 - printer02 09:13 < optiklenz> ws003 - printer03 09:13 < Snafu> i have one wallet and 3 girlfriends 09:13 < optiklenz> right 09:13 < optiklenz> Snafu : cool :D 09:14 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has joined #ltsp 09:15 < Snafu> i can pat my head n rub my tummy ... i can juggle all 3 chix in the sack ... but my wallet just cant keep up 09:16 < Snafu> default printer can be set as part of the enviroment strings 09:17 < optiklenz> yes 09:17 < optiklenz> printer01 is the default 09:17 < optiklenz> but 09:18 < optiklenz> printer 01 is 10.0.1.1:9100 09:18 < optiklenz> printer 02 is 10.0.1.2:9101 09:18 < optiklenz> printer 03 is 10.0.1.3:9102 09:18 < optiklenz> its right? 09:19 < Snafu> why sep IP's *and* ports ... and why high ports 09:19 -!- Prinzen [Prinzen@62.79.78.220.adsl.arc.worldonline.dk] has quit ["www.prinzen.dk | www.meanoldboys.dk | www.laserne.dk"] 09:20 < optiklenz> i only follow the documentation 09:23 < Snafu> it helps to know why as well as what .. 3 ip's different socket too ? they are showing that all 3 can be on the same ip but diff ports or all on the same port but on 3 machines .. but dont that assume a daemon is listening on that machine at that ip and port ? 09:24 < Snafu> and so what in the hell is listening for connection on ports in the 9000 range ? 09:24 < prpplague> Snafu: ltsprtd 09:24 < prpplague> Snafu: iirc 09:24 < Snafu> heh except for X11 ports above 1024 putting them above most firewalls is rare anyway ... 09:25 < Snafu> and for X11 i think it was a mistake even .. grrr o well 09:25 < jammcq> optiklenz: just use 9100 for all of the printers 09:25 < jammcq> you would use 9101 if you had a 2nd printer on the same workstation 09:25 < optiklenz> jammcq: yes 09:26 < optiklenz> OK. 09:26 < optiklenz> thanx jamm 09:26 < optiklenz> :*** 09:26 < optiklenz> iam try 09:26 < jammcq> and 9100 is used, because that is the standard port for HP JetDirect print servers. lp_server is emulating a jetdirect interface 09:27 < Snafu> it help these days that suck devices are on non-routable nets like network 10. one wonders why oems seem so abtuse to convention 09:37 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:37 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 09:42 -!- natasiel [~dr@205.237.70.173] has joined #ltsp 09:44 < natasiel> rsh tries to run apps on port 22 (due to ssh) and the terminal only got port 23 (telnet) opened, anyone got a workaround? 09:45 < natasiel> ...the goal is to run localapps without copying lib individually 09:53 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:53 < natasiel> whether by enabling ssh on the terminal, whether by using rsh without ssh 10:01 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has joined #LTSP 10:11 -!- Stareca [~stan@pc1-lutn2-4-cust132.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 10:12 < Stareca> how can I 'echo' something into xdm login screen? 10:13 < natasiel> Stareca: why not use gdm? 10:14 < Stareca> ok, how can I 'echo' something into gdm,kdm,xdm login screen? 10:16 < Stareca> can I use expect script or something? 10:17 < Stareca> I'm looking to create autologin script based on IP addr , but not using KDM 10:17 < Stareca> we don't like kdm 8) 10:19 < natasiel> Stareca: you mean print text like welcome message? 10:21 < Stareca> no, to print login and pass 10:22 < jammcq> hmm, expect is not gonna work for that 10:22 < jammcq> xdm is an X application 10:22 < Stareca> hi, jamm, long time no see :) 10:22 < jammcq> expecting X protocol type events. expect is based on stdin/stdout 10:22 < jammcq> hey Stareca 10:22 * jammcq wonders why someone wouldn't like KDM 10:23 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 10:23 < Stareca> someting like X expect lib? 10:23 < jammcq> not that i've ever heard of 10:23 -!- miko [miko@milady.u-bourgogne.fr] has joined #ltsp 10:23 < jammcq> but the source code for XDM is fairly straightforward, you could hack auto-login into it 10:24 < Stareca> I have to research this 10:52 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:53 < natasiel> is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab used somewhere to mount something? 10:53 < jammcq> no 10:56 < natasiel> where could I mount something then? 10:56 < jammcq> create an rc script and set an entry in lts.conf to run that rc script 10:56 < jammcq> inside your script, put the mount command with the parameters you want 10:56 < natasiel> thanx 10:59 < natasiel> is port 22 supposed to be opened on the terminal for local apps? 10:59 < natasiel> (sshd) 10:59 < jammcq> no 10:59 < jammcq> sshd isn't running on the client 10:59 < natasiel> how do rsh connect then? 11:00 < jammcq> rsh doesn't connect to sshd, it connects to rshd or rexec 11:02 < jammcq> I think port 514 is the one you need for rsh 11:04 < natasiel> my rsh dont stop complaining about port 22 not opened 11:04 < jammcq> well, I don't know about your rsh 11:04 < jammcq> port 22 is for SSH, not RSH 11:04 < natasiel> looks like debian rsh insist on using ssh 11:09 < miko> ssh is better no ? 11:09 < jammcq> yeah, but sshd isn't running on the client 11:10 < miko> could not you start it as a local application ? 11:10 < jammcq> well, think about it. ssh gets it's security by having a private key. Where are you gonna store that private key ? 11:14 < miko> Ah yes that is a problem. 11:14 < jammcq> yep :) 11:14 < miko> :-) 11:15 < miko> May be is it possible to introduce a new environnment variable ? 11:16 < jammcq> and what would that do ? 11:16 < miko> and build a link to the right file in the same way it is done for others files (the ones linked in /tmp in ramdisk) 11:17 < jammcq> what file ? 11:17 < miko> I don't clearly remember and I have not my ltsp installation available here. 11:17 < jammcq> are you talking about the ssh private keys ? 11:18 < miko> yes aren't they stored in a file ? 11:18 < miko> On the client the client depending files are linked in their right counterpart in /tmp on ramdisk 11:18 < jammcq> yes. you are missing my point. where would you store that private key file ? On the server ? If so, you'd have to read it via NFS, which basically is totally not secure 11:20 < miko> No I mean manage the private key file the same way XF86Config file is managed 11:20 < Stareca> there is a patch for xdm allowing aoutologin based on station name :) 11:20 -!- Stareca [~stan@pc1-lutn2-4-cust132.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 11:35 -!- encrypt [~encrypt@cm-73.jpa.openline.com.br] has joined #ltsp 11:35 < encrypt> hello 11:35 < miko> hello 11:35 < encrypt> :) 11:36 < encrypt> which package of x provides support to SiS cards? 11:39 < miko> euhhhh I don't know 11:48 -!- miko [miko@milady.u-bourgogne.fr] has left #ltsp ["Fermeture du client"] 11:53 < encrypt> coudl anybody help me:> 11:55 -!- eXoR` [~glastra@cc69589-a.leek1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:02 -!- davus [~davus@206.183.158.36] has joined #LTSP 12:02 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 12:02 < encrypt> which package of x provides support to SiS cards? 12:02 < encrypt> coudl anybody help me:> 12:04 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 12:04 < encrypt> hello ccjoe 12:04 < ccjoe> hi 12:05 < paperclip> hello all 12:07 < encrypt> which package of x provides support to SiS cards? 12:08 < paperclip> well.. 12:08 < paperclip> if you go to xfree86.org 12:08 < paperclip> and have a look at.. 4.1.x 12:08 < paperclip> i think that's what ltsp uses.. 12:08 < paperclip> you'll see lists of all the drivers.. 12:08 < encrypt> thank you 12:09 < paperclip> looks like it's called "sis" 12:09 < paperclip> http://xfree86.org/4.1.0/sis.4.html 12:10 < encrypt> but in ltsp which package i download? 12:10 -!- zyxnull [~zyxnull@196.40.10.254] has joined #ltsp 12:10 < encrypt> auto doesnt works 12:10 < paperclip> hmm.. good question.. 12:10 < paperclip> lemme look and see if i recognize it.. 12:11 < encrypt> i have a sis card on a workstation and i want to know which server i use 12:11 < paperclip> vesa.. sfva.. or fbdev look like your options.. 12:11 < paperclip> tho.. i reserve the right to be wrong.. 12:11 < paperclip> er.. svga 12:12 < encrypt> svga didnt work! 12:12 < paperclip> try vesa.. 12:12 < encrypt> i'll these others 12:12 < paperclip> i think i'll have to build a new X for my clients.. via epia 5000's 12:13 < paperclip> for some reason i can't make it go fullscreen while playing frozen-bubble =( 12:14 -!- bails [~bails@modem-3700.hyena.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 12:18 < paperclip> is there another (searchable) archive of the mailing lists? 12:19 < paperclip> http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/ 12:19 < paperclip> ahh 12:20 < encrypt> ~hmm ok vesa worked.. but very ugly appaerance 12:20 < paperclip> well.. i suppose you could use a more recent X with the sis driver 12:21 < paperclip> or even 4.1.0 with the sis driver 12:21 < encrypt> i use XFree86-4.2.0-20cl 12:22 -!- zyxnull [~zyxnull@196.40.10.254] has left #ltsp ["Terminando cliente"] 12:22 < paperclip> is that what's included with ltsp? 12:23 < paperclip> i did an xdpyinfo on mine lastnight.. and i thought it was 4.1.0 12:23 < encrypt> dunno.. its my X local.. where do i check which one the ltsp is using??? 12:23 < paperclip> go to the client and type "xdpyinfo" into the terminal 12:24 < encrypt> k 12:24 < paperclip> xdpyinfo | grep version 12:30 < encrypt> no xdpyinfo on client 12:31 < encrypt> i guess this is because i'm not running local apps 12:31 < encrypt> when i try to use XFree86 it says that found the device but display modes could not be resolved.. 12:32 < paperclip> hmm.. all the software on my server is available to my client.. 12:34 < encrypt> only /opt/.. on mine 12:35 < encrypt> ./xdpyinfo: unable to open display "". 12:36 < encrypt> i cant run X on client.. how can i run xdpyinfo 12:38 < paperclip> hmm.. 12:38 < paperclip> i don't know.. 12:38 < paperclip> i wonder why i am able to do so.. 12:38 < encrypt> without x? 12:39 < paperclip> no 12:40 < encrypt> ah 12:40 < paperclip> i installed ltsp on my gentoo workstation.. and i can run all the software on that workstation on my client.. 12:40 < encrypt> yes.. but i didnt turn local apps on 12:41 < paperclip> i'm not running local apps.. 12:41 < paperclip> they are remote.. 12:41 < paperclip> xdpyinfo is remote also.. 12:42 < encrypt> ah 12:43 < encrypt> remember.. 12:43 < encrypt> when i log by X it uses my real fs 12:43 < encrypt> but in init 3 just /opt.. 12:44 < jammcq> when you login to X, you are logging into the server, but in runlevel 3, you are just getting a shell on the workstation 12:45 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 12:45 < paperclip> ahh.. i havn't played with runlevels yet.. 12:45 < encrypt> thats it, jammcq 12:45 < paperclip> i was wondering if there's a way to poke around the clients filesystem.. 12:45 < paperclip> like look at the XF86Config-4 that is generated 12:46 < paperclip> so far.. this is very impressive.. =) thanks 12:46 < encrypt> let me ask one thing.. if i run mouseconfig on the client.. it will bring up my hardware or server hardware? 12:47 < encrypt> ahh server.. 12:47 < paperclip> =) 12:47 < paperclip> what distro are you running.. i've never heard of mouseconfig.. 12:48 < encrypt> conectiva 12:48 < encrypt> brazil most poppular distro.. 12:48 < paperclip> ahh.. brasilian? 12:49 < encrypt> (i'm in a school) 12:49 < encrypt> yeah 12:49 < encrypt> i did xdpyinfo |grep version on the client.. 11.0 returned 12:49 < encrypt> eheh 12:49 < paperclip> i don't think i could get any work done there.. 12:49 < paperclip> there should be two lines.. 12:49 < paperclip> the second should say 4.1.0 12:49 < paperclip> =) 12:49 < paperclip> brasil has too many good looking women.. 12:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 12:50 < encrypt> no.. just 11.0!.. next line is vendor string 12:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 12:51 < encrypt> paperclip in some places.. 12:51 < encrypt> i turn USE_XFS to Y and it worked.. 12:52 < encrypt> i'm really lame about X 12:54 < paperclip> xfs? 12:55 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 12:55 < encrypt> yes 12:55 < encrypt> on lts.conf 12:55 < paperclip> what's that? 12:55 -!- mlgm [~michael@p50801234.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 12:55 < paperclip> hmm.. 12:55 < encrypt> x font server 12:55 < paperclip> paperclip@shadow paperclip $ xdpyinfo | grep version 12:55 < paperclip> version number: 11.0 12:55 < paperclip> XFree86 version: 4.1.0 12:55 < paperclip> oh.. 12:55 < paperclip> that xfs 12:55 < paperclip> i was thinking the filesystem 12:55 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 12:56 < encrypt> theres no Xfree86 version line.. 12:56 < paperclip> hmm.. 12:56 < paperclip> the 11 is like from XF86R11 12:56 < paperclip> it's been 11 for years =) 12:58 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:58 < encrypt> ehehe 12:58 < encrypt> is ur mouse serial, paperclip ? 12:59 < paperclip> ps2 12:59 < paperclip> i think that's the most/only supported.. not sure tho.. 12:59 < encrypt> i did on serial mouse works on a station but on the other didnt work 12:59 < paperclip> i tried gettting a wheelmouse working.. no luck 13:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:00 < encrypt> where r u from? 13:00 < paperclip> New Orleans, LA, USA 13:00 < paperclip> how much ram do your clients have 13:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:01 < paperclip> man.. ram is cheap.. 13:02 < encrypt> 32M 13:03 < paperclip> yeah.. i was thinking that i'd find some 32mb modules.. but they are more expensive that the 64mb.. which are only $2 less than the 128mb 13:03 < paperclip> so.. 128mb will do.. =) 13:04 < paperclip> i've been thinking about running some apps locally.. 13:06 < encrypt> humm.. 13:06 < encrypt> ram here is too expensive 13:07 -!- pucko [aj@d155.hn.student.liu.se] has joined #ltsp 13:07 < paperclip> shouldn't be that much more.. 13:07 < paperclip> should it? 13:08 < paperclip> import duties? 13:09 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 13:11 < encrypt> cambio 13:11 < encrypt> 1 real = 3 dollars 13:11 < encrypt> so.. we pay 3x more you do 13:15 < encrypt> dunno why another client with rtl8139 delays an infinite time to load the vmlinuz 13:15 < encrypt> dot by dot.. slowly 13:19 < prpplague> jammcq: ping 13:19 < jammcq> prpplague: pong 13:19 < prpplague> jammcq: hey, one minor issue with the new getltscfg 13:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:20 < jammcq> yeah ? 13:20 < prpplague> jammcq: if you don't have an interface configured you get an irratating messages on stderr 13:20 < prpplague> very annoying 13:20 -!- mlgm [~michael@p50801234.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 13:20 < jammcq> hmm, when would you NOT have an interface ? 13:20 < prpplague> jammcq: i fixed it in the source for our stuff 13:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:21 < prpplague> jammcq: because i use getltscfg to get local configs too, lol 13:21 < jammcq> ah 13:21 < prpplague> jammcq: off the CF card 13:21 < prpplague> jammcq: i.e. the IP address and hostname to use 13:21 < jammcq> hmm, interesting 13:21 < encrypt> jammcq.. any suggestion? 13:22 < encrypt> another client with rtl8139 delays an infinite time to load the vmlinuz 13:22 < jammcq> encrypt: hmmm, one client works and the other doesn't ? 13:23 < encrypt> yeah 13:23 < jammcq> is the 2nd workstation listed in the /etc/hosts file ? 13:23 < encrypt> yes yes.. 13:23 -!- bails [~bails@modem-3700.hyena.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 13:23 < encrypt> when i put another network card(and of course change the dhcpd.conf) it works 13:24 < encrypt> (i change also the diskete, of course) 13:24 < jammcq> hmm, dunno 13:24 < jammcq> are you using a switch or a hub ? 13:24 < encrypt> hub 13:25 < encrypt> wait 13:25 < encrypt> switch 13:25 < encrypt> 16 ports nway switch 13:25 < jammcq> ok, the reason I ask, is that switches can get confused. Can you power-cycle the switch ? 13:26 < encrypt> ok.. in your situation.. if i run only one client it must work, right? 13:26 < jammcq> huh ? 13:27 < encrypt> you mean the problem is when i run more then 1 client? 13:27 < encrypt> for getting switch confused? 13:27 < jammcq> no, I think the problem is the switch is confused about what is plugged into that port. 13:27 < encrypt> hmm.. just reset switch would solv: 13:27 < encrypt> ? 13:27 < jammcq> the switch maintains a table in memory of mac addresses and IP addresses, and sometimes it just gets confused, so turn it off and back on 13:28 < encrypt> ok 13:29 < encrypt> same problem.. 13:30 < encrypt> i wonder if the problem is the rtl.. 13:30 < jammcq> could be 13:30 < jammcq> which model is it ? 13:30 < encrypt> 8139 13:31 < jammcq> yeah, but 8139a, 8139c, 8139d ? 13:31 < encrypt> a 13:31 < jammcq> hmm 13:31 < jammcq> what version of etherboot ? 13:32 < encrypt> eb-5.0.10 13:32 < jammcq> hmm 13:32 < jammcq> should work 13:34 < paperclip> i thought 5.0.9 was required.. 13:34 < jammcq> why ? 13:34 < paperclip> at least that's what i gathered from the docs and the rom-o-matic site 13:34 < encrypt> let me test! 13:34 < jammcq> well, that is referring to 5.1.x, he's using 5.0.10 13:34 < paperclip> oh 13:35 < paperclip> ok 13:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:42 -!- ranger [~rangerT30@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has joined #ltsp 13:45 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:45 -!- lanius [heino@p508E22ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 13:58 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:02 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit ["The Moon Will Rise Again"] 14:09 < encrypt> why mouse doesnt work with Xvesa? 14:10 < encrypt> jammcq sorry for disturbing you again but do u have a suggestion? 14:12 < jammcq> what kind of mouse ? 14:16 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: gola, Zaw 14:16 < encrypt> jammcq serial 14:16 < jammcq> what do you have for X_MOUSE_DEVICE ? 14:17 < encrypt> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" 14:17 < encrypt> and edvice ttyS0 14:17 < jammcq> show me exactly what you have for X_MOUSE_DEVICE 14:17 < encrypt> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0 14:18 < jammcq> hmm, that should work 14:18 < encrypt> it works with XF86_SVGA but Xvesa 14:18 < jammcq> Xvesa is a very different animal 14:18 < encrypt> i tried to use Xfree86 with X4_DRIVER = vesa 14:19 < encrypt> but didnt work.. client couldnt find XFree86 14:19 < encrypt> XSERVER = XFree86 14:19 < jammcq> what kind of video card do you have ? 14:19 < jammcq> NO 14:19 < jammcq> that's not how it works 14:19 < jammcq> just set 'XSERVER = vesa' 14:19 < jammcq> that's it 14:20 < encrypt> hmm 14:20 < encrypt> let me see 14:21 < encrypt> cause i read that.. 14:21 < encrypt> o XFree86 4.1 is now the default version of X Windows. 14:21 < encrypt> To use XFree86 4.x, you need to specify 'XFree86' as 14:21 < encrypt> your XSERVER, and then specify which driver module in 14:21 < encrypt> the X4_DRIVER entry. 14:21 < jammcq> where is that ? 14:22 < encrypt> change log 3.0.6 version 14:22 < encrypt> i'm using 3.0.9 so i guess is the same.. 14:22 < jammcq> hmm, that's wrong. I actually don't remember it ever working like that 14:23 < encrypt> hmm what u said worked 14:23 < encrypt> thank you a lotttt 14:25 < davus> can anyone tell me how to make tftp do it's magic from a different server than the DHCP server (it seems to default to where it got it's net address from) 14:25 < jammcq> davus: the little bit of magic you need is the 'next-server' entry in dhcpd.conf 14:25 < davus> cool, is that in the docs? 14:25 -!- miko [bricabrac@dijon-1-a7-62-147-71-230.dial.proxad.net] has joined #ltsp 14:26 < jammcq> it's in the dhcpd.conf docs 14:26 < davus> i'll try it out, thanks 14:26 < encrypt> 16 colors only.. 14:31 -!- bails [~bails@modem-698.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 14:32 -!- bails [~bails@modem-698.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 14:34 -!- miko [bricabrac@dijon-1-a7-62-147-71-230.dial.proxad.net] has quit ["Fermeture du client"] 14:43 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-167-118.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 14:55 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:02 < encrypt> jammcq 15:03 < encrypt> why i rty to use vga16, mono.. it ask for a screen entry on xf86config? 15:03 < encrypt> when i try to use vga16, fbdev or mono it asks for a screen entry on XF86Config 15:08 < encrypt> =( 15:31 -!- lanius [heino@p508E22ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 15:31 -!- encrypt [~encrypt@cm-73.jpa.openline.com.br] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:31 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 15:34 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 15:48 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-180-183.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 15:50 -!- davus [~davus@206.183.158.36] has left #LTSP [] 15:56 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:05 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-167-118.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 16:08 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has joined #ltsp 16:17 -!- syncrou [~syncrou@w044.z064001092.grr-mi.dsl.cnc.net] has joined #ltsp 16:18 -!- syncrou [~syncrou@w044.z064001092.grr-mi.dsl.cnc.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:22 -!- Zaw [zaw@synapse.subneural.net] has joined #ltsp 16:27 -!- ranger [~rangerT30@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:30 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-180-183.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:35 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 16:52 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 17:16 < VibesYuth> what ah ting, your actully online 17:17 < VibesYuth> typo 17:28 -!- mr_clark [~mr@h24-77-187-56.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #ltsp 17:29 < mr_clark> Hi there. I'm playing with the latest version of K12LTSP and I've switched to XDM and want to run IceWM as the default Window Manager and can't find where to set it. Can anybody point me in the right direction? 17:29 < mr_clark> Its based on RH9. 17:29 < mr_clark> if that helps. 17:29 < jammcq> yeah 17:29 < jammcq> I think you need to look at /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession 17:30 < jammcq> well, that might be pretty ugly 17:31 < mr_clark> hmm...okay...what would be prettier? 17:31 < jammcq> you'll see that Xsession eventually calls /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients 17:31 < jammcq> that is where gnome or kde are actually fired off 17:32 < jammcq> BUT, you can have your own .Xclients file in your home directory, and it will be used, instead of the global Xclients file 17:32 < jammcq> the pecking order is actually ~/.xsession, then ~/.Xclients and then /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients 17:33 < jammcq> so, put your command to start Icewm in either .xsession or .Xclients 17:33 < jammcq> and if you want it to be global, then in the /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients file 17:34 < mr_clark> so should it just be 'exec /usr/bin/icewm' in the file (without quotes) 17:34 < jammcq> yeah, that would probably do it 17:34 < mr_clark> let me try that. 17:35 < mr_clark> Sort of looks like its working but all I get is a really dark blue screen with my mouse cursor. 17:35 < mr_clark> strange. 17:35 < jammcq> hmm, no menu ? 17:35 < jammcq> no taskbar ? 17:35 < mr_clark> I've had IceWM working with KDM or GDM by selecting it from login screen. 17:35 < mr_clark> no menu or taskbar. 17:35 < jammcq> hmm, it really should work 17:35 < mr_clark> mouse doesn't wmove. 17:35 < mr_clark> move. 17:36 < jammcq> doesn't sound good 17:36 < mr_clark> actually it does move. just very very very slow. 17:36 < mr_clark> weird. 17:36 < jammcq> strange 17:36 < jammcq> is this on the console, or a ltsp terminal ? 17:38 < mr_clark> ltsp terminal. 17:40 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 17:40 < mr_clark> from the console it seems to work fine.... 17:41 < jammcq> are you using XFS for the font server ? 17:42 < mr_clark> not sure. 17:42 < jammcq> do this: netstat -anp | grep ":7100 " 17:43 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:43 < mr_clark> hold on. i just switched to gdm... 17:43 < jammcq> k 17:44 < paperclip> i've had that happen before.. 17:44 < paperclip> i nuked some of the .gome stuff in my ~ 17:44 < paperclip> and it worked 17:45 < mr_clark> i think I've got it figured...hold on.... 17:45 < paperclip> .gnome stuff even 17:45 < mr_clark> :)_ 17:45 < mr_clark> :) 17:46 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:48 < mr_clark> I was playing with my settings for display size in lts.conf file. I've commented those out and I can get icewm up fine under gdm....but when I switch back to xdm I think everything is there buts sort of 'scrolled' off the screen...if that makes sense.... 17:49 < jammcq> see if you have a .icewm directory in your home dir. if so, you might remove it and see what happens 17:49 < mr_clark> nope. no .icewm file in my home directory 17:50 < paperclip> how can you run xscreensaver on the clients? 17:50 < paperclip> or is that a bad idea? 17:52 < mr_clark> bad idea paperclip. 17:52 < jammcq> bad idea 17:52 < paperclip> heh.. 17:52 < mr_clark> unless you want your bandwidth being eaten up. 17:52 < paperclip> i'd have to have the daemon on the client too eh? 17:52 -!- dobwan [~Duane@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 17:53 -!- dobwan [~Duane@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:00 < mr_clark> thanks jammcq. I'm going to have to play with it some more....I'm getting too confused now.... 18:00 -!- mr_clark [~mr@h24-77-187-56.ok.shawcable.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:07 -!- claudio [~claudiope@161.132.213.126] has joined #ltsp 18:07 < claudio> hi! 18:08 < claudio> somebody has exerience with a compaq netflex NIC? 18:09 < claudio> it's a tlan Nic, and it seems that Rom-o-matic doesn't support them 18:09 < jammcq> well, if Etherboot doesn't support it, yer kind of out of luck 18:10 < claudio> oops... thats a problem 18:10 < claudio> do you know an alternative? pxe? 18:10 < jammcq> you won't find a pxe bootrom for that card 18:10 < jammcq> but, you aren't totally screwed yet 18:11 < claudio> not yet? that's good 18:11 < jammcq> you could load the kernel from a floppy 18:11 < claudio> all the kernel, and then run a remote session 18:12 < jammcq> well, the kernel + the initrd, it would then send a dhcp request and continue on, just as if it had loaded from a bootrom 18:13 < jammcq> I just released a new LTSP kernel yesterday that has support for the tlan card 18:13 < claudio> I couldn't go in the cmos setup./ but, seems that has a pxe support 18:14 < claudio> in this case... coul I boot from pxe? 18:14 < jammcq> why do you think it does ? 18:14 < claudio> I think, that it claims to an network boot, and refers to pxe 18:14 < jammcq> it's prolly older than pxe v1.0 18:15 < jammcq> if you can upgrade the bios, it might just work 18:15 < jammcq> I just know that really old pxe is real buggy 18:15 < claudio> I don't think that I could 18:17 < Vee2d2> are there wireless diskless options? 18:17 < jammcq> yeah, if you boot the kernel from a floppy 18:17 < Vee2d2> diskless? 18:17 < jammcq> check out the ltsp_wireless package 18:18 < jammcq> it wouldn't be totally diskless, you need to boot the kernel locally 18:18 < jammcq> floppy, or maybe an IDE flash disk 18:18 < Vee2d2> I figured 18:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 18:49 < claudio> jammcq, talking about kernel + initrd in a floppy... where can i find instructions to make it? 18:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 18:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 18:54 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:54 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has joined #LTSP 18:57 < jammcq> claudio: well, if you want to put the kernel and the initrd on a floppy, you'll need syslinux 18:57 < jammcq> maybe search freshmeat.net for syslinux to find the package 18:57 < jammcq> also, look at the wireless_ltsp package for an example, cuz that is how I did that 18:57 < jammcq> AND, you'll need the latest ltsp_initrd_kit, it contains the raw kernel and initrd 18:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:06 < claudio> jammcq: I will try, but It seems that I have a chance... Netboot seems to support tlan nics 19:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:10 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 19:14 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:15 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:34 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:56 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 20:06 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 20:12 < claudio> jammcq: what about Nilo, do you know it? 20:29 < jammcq> claudio: nope, I don't know anything about nilo 20:29 < jammcq> although i've heard of it 20:29 -!- Slippery_Chicken [Slippery@Toronto-HSE-ppp3907193.sympatico.ca] has joined #ltsp 20:36 -!- geo_ [~geo@209.94.82.200] has joined #ltsp 20:40 < claudio> jammcq: Nilo says that is not Nic oriented like etherboot... I will try with it 20:42 < jammcq> hmm, not NIC oriented ? kinda makes you wonder how it actually talks to the nic then 20:45 < Snafu> heh lilo isnt "nic oriented" either .. other than the startup rom on a sun/sgi what is ? actually it will be nice when your lowly PC comes with OpenBoot or else in its start/post rom ... 20:47 < Snafu> the new ADM hammer demo board written up in linuxjournal has 10/100/1gb ethernet as part of its core chipset ... perhaps PC's are moving close enough to those old unix workstations that startrom etherboot will become common on em ... 20:47 < claudio> I'm not an expert, but It talks about a three layers protocol 20:47 < claudio> having the extra drivers in the second one 20:48 < Snafu> leftist professors who never grew up, never had a real job, and still push their bloodstained socialist religion also still tout the OSI layer in networking ... 20:48 < Snafu> students still play lip service to this OSI farce 20:49 -!- MetaCosm_ [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 20:49 < jammcq> what the hell does 'leftist professors' have to do with anything ? Maybe their just stupid. 20:49 < Snafu> they enter the real world and they learn, that just like the professors blodstained religion ... the tech they shovel also has little to do with reality 20:53 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:54 < Snafu> where "layers" actully exist ... its more about system specific stuff ... like kernelspace/userspace ... or about making things modular .. both to allow extensions, and also to chop up complexity into parts small enough for the brain to understand ( and maintain ) 20:55 < Snafu> but you find little or no observance of those silly OSI models and other such thoretical claptrap .. 20:57 < Snafu> these professors pushing these models also push a leftist idology that butchered 100 million people in the name of equality, their tech theory is often just as unworkable even tho thak god not as painfull and murderous ... 20:57 < jammcq> jeez, take it somewhere else, please. 20:58 < Snafu> for a boot loader .. IP wasnt the only protocol used for netboot .. IPX was popular for quite a while for example 20:59 < Snafu> and even today most comercial stuff , or that inntended to netboot off netware as well as unix .. i can see where he would seperate protocol handler from other things .. 21:00 < Snafu> even tho thats hard to do .. netboot over IPX and over ip/tftp would be quite different ... 21:01 < Snafu> i suppose thats what the new pxe stuff is to address 21:02 < Snafu> other than unix boxes and ... rare these days, netbooting dos off novell who else is doing diskless workstations these days ? 21:05 < Snafu> if your wanting to setup a ltsp client boot as a choice you can do that, you would be skipping the tftp-kernel load step, loading kernel and initrd out of the /boot directory ... 21:07 < Snafu> but ya ... will be neat if someday a boot: prompt in the PC rom .. with its usually provided diags n stuff came into style 21:12 < geo_> is this useful as a terminal?? http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?productid=NET-HDSVS 21:24 -!- Slippery_Chicken [Slippery@Toronto-HSE-ppp3907193.sympatico.ca] has quit [] 21:42 < claudio> ok guys, I will leave... but first I will give you another problem in my current installation 21:42 < claudio> The thinclients, are compaq 6000, just bought with 3 month warranty (I can't open them) 21:43 < claudio> Don't have Hard Disk (obviusly, they're diskless) 21:43 < claudio> but Compaq make the F10 Setup in a Hard Disk partition... 21:43 < claudio> Then I have not Setup 21:44 < claudio> Solution... I think to wait 3 month... but why... If either I will not have warranty 21:45 < claudio> I'm a lucky guy, I have not bought them... Now this is my boss's problem 21:46 < claudio> But, I think I will be balmed 21:57 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit ["The Moon Will Rise Again"] 22:11 -!- claudio [~claudiope@161.132.213.126] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 22:19 -!- tazman [~tazman@ool-43507762.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 22:29 -!- Omen_Pdg [~user@202.173.92.238] has joined #ltsp 22:32 < Omen_Pdg> hi 22:33 -!- tazman [~tazman@ool-43507762.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Time to go"] 22:49 < Omen_Pdg> why it so cold here 22:50 < Omen_Pdg> where's everybody 22:54 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:06 -!- redrobe [~redrobe@port0310-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #ltsp 23:06 < redrobe> need help getting KDM/GDM working 23:07 < redrobe> so far I've got to the grey screen with the black X. 23:12 < redrobe> after that.... nothing the display manager won't appear 23:16 < jammcq> hey redrobe, we have a document for fixing that problem 23:16 < jammcq> http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/gray_screen.html 23:19 < Omen_Pdg> jammcq : P41800/256 Cache + 512 DDRAM , is it enough to handle 10 client 486+8MB mem and they run app like OpenOffice or netscape ? 23:20 < jammcq> well, the 486's with 8mb of ram will definately need NFS-SWAP turned on 23:20 < jammcq> the server could probably handle the load, but more ram would be a real good thing 23:23 < Omen_Pdg> actually, I.ve tried with 5 client but it seems too slow. Strange, the server's swap used low 23:24 < jammcq> what kind of hard disk in the server ? 23:25 < Omen_Pdg> IDE 5400 rpm 23:25 < jammcq> heh, there ya go, NOT a good candidate for a server disk 23:25 < jammcq> that wuold be slow with 1 terminal 23:28 < Omen_Pdg> it's the only 'cause ? 23:28 < jammcq> 8mb of ram in the clients is not good either 23:28 < jammcq> did you have NFS-SWAP turned on ? 23:32 < Omen_Pdg> yap. it's 64MB for each. Oh ya. On Telnet-like mode, sometimes it produce message for low memory ( NFS_SWAP_LOW_MEM.....) like that, waht is it mean ? 23:32 < jammcq> it means the workstation is low on memory, to the point where it had to dump some buffers, just to get some swap space 23:33 < jammcq> is that a 10mbit or 100mbit network ? 23:33 < Omen_Pdg> yes 23:33 < jammcq> yes ? 23:33 < Omen_Pdg> 10 23:34 < jammcq> heh, and you are wondering why it is slow ? 23:34 < jammcq> 1) not enough ram in the workstations, requiring nfs-swap 23:34 < jammcq> 2) doing the nfs-swap over a 10mbit network 23:34 < jammcq> 3) slow IDE disk in server 23:34 < jammcq> i'd say there are 3 things you need to fix if you want decent performance 23:35 < jammcq> but even with all that, I'll bet it is still faster than running Win98 on those boxes 23:39 < Omen_Pdg> it's a ne2000 on all client. if I increse client-RAm to 16. is It can improve much ? . And can the nfs swap debug screen not show on screen (I'd rather do on terminal based sometimes) 23:40 < jammcq> well, the kernel source and nfs-swap patch are available. You could find the spot in the kernel source where that message is displayed, and make it not do that 23:40 < jammcq> 16mb would help a great deal, but it's still gonna be fairly slow 23:40 < jammcq> for telnet access tho, 16mb would probably be just fine 23:42 < jammcq> i'm going to bed, it's late here. 23:42 < Omen_Pdg> ok thanks man 23:42 < jammcq> sure 23:42 < jammcq> lemme know how it works out 23:43 < Omen_Pdg> hey how's the next Linuxworld 23:43 < jammcq> huh ? 23:44 < jammcq> it's coming up in august 23:44 < Omen_Pdg> oh.. need a volunteer ?? 23:44 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 23:45 < jammcq> yeah, i'll be sending out a call for volunteers, probably tomorrow. are you on the ltsp-discuss mailing list ? 23:45 -!- newbie2k [~fajar@202.147.250.5] has joined #ltsp 23:46 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 23:47 < Omen_Pdg> I'll be, thanks 23:47 < newbie2k> hello al 23:47 < newbie2k> Omen_Pdg .. indonesia? 23:48 < Omen_Pdg> yap 23:48 < Omen_Pdg> ho oh 23:48 < newbie2k> great.. 23:48 < Omen_Pdg> what's matter 23:49 < newbie2k> Omen_Pdg ... i'm having difficulties in finding the right driver for my NIC 23:49 < newbie2k> from winipcfg.. the network card is detected as NE2000 23:49 < jammcq> so, use ne.o 23:49 < newbie2k> i made the bootdisk with ne, and it booted 23:49 < jammcq> but... ? 23:50 < newbie2k> but then it stops with message: cannont fine NE on 240.... 23:50 < newbie2k> it seems that the kernel cannot recoqnize the nic 23:50 < jammcq> oh, you probably need to turn off ISA Plug-N-Play on that card 23:50 < newbie2k> i've passed the option 128 and 129 into it 23:50 < jammcq> ok, are you sure 240 is the address you want ? 23:50 < newbie2k> with no luck 23:51 < newbie2k> jammcq ... i've checked with windows 23:51 < newbie2k> or shouldn't i? 23:51 < jammcq> what does etherboot say ? 23:51 < jammcq> etherboot will display what it found when it probes for the card 23:51 < jammcq> and if plug-n-play is still enabled on the card, you will also have problems 23:52 < newbie2k> jammcq .. etherboot succeeded in booting the pc.. download the kernel... but then it errored 23:52 < jammcq> yes, I know, but etherboot also displays the IO address 23:52 < newbie2k> i want to ask this: 23:53 < jammcq> AND, etherboot doesn't care about the IRQ, so it doesn't care about plug-n-play. BUT, the kernel does care about plug-n-play 23:53 < newbie2k> in the windows control panel, it shows the nic as: ATI-..., as long as it is ne2000 compatible, is it ok to use ne.o? 23:53 < jammcq> well, I dunno 23:53 < newbie2k> jammcq .. i've passed this on option-129: "NIC=ne IO=0x240 IRQ=9"; 23:54 < jammcq> take the card out, see if you can find a name and model number 23:54 < jammcq> IS PLUG-N-PLAY TURNED ON ? 23:54 < jammcq> I keep saying that, but you don't seem to get it 23:54 < newbie2k> i'll check 23:54 < newbie2k> sorry hehe 23:54 < jammcq> PLUG-N-PLAY MUST BE DISABLED on the card 23:54 < jammcq> and, it's late here, i'm heading to bed 23:54 < newbie2k> i will 23:54 < newbie2k> thanks jammcq 23:55 < newbie2k> good night 23:55 < jammcq> g'night 23:55 < newbie2k> i 23:55 < newbie2k> i'm having lunch here 23:55 < newbie2k> ;p 23:58 -!- Omen_Pdg [~user@202.173.92.238] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:59 -!- Omen_Pdg [~user@202.173.92.238] has joined #ltsp --- Day changed Wed Jul 02 2003 00:07 < Omen_Pdg> jammcq are U there ? 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04:27 < SmilieZ> I need to look at it tomorrow.. just wondering if someone ha already done it 04:32 < Snafu> load kernel from flash ? 04:33 < Snafu> reg boot rom and load/tftp would be cheaper 04:36 -!- miko [miko@milady.u-bourgogne.fr] has joined #ltsp 05:13 -!- bails [~bails@modem-3278.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 05:39 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 06:05 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@p78-tnt2.adl.ihug.com.au] has quit ["hardware change"] 06:09 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 06:09 -!- miko [miko@milady.u-bourgogne.fr] has quit ["Fermeture du client"] 06:12 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 06:22 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 06:26 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:36 -!- bails [~bails@modem-3278.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 06:41 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 06:43 -!- bails [~bails@modem-3278.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 06:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 06:45 -!- Mundy_ [~mundy@p78-tnt2.adl.ihug.com.au] has joined #LTSP 06:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 06:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 06:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:01 -!- misato [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 07:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:21 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:21 < jammcq> robbie: hey, you around ? 07:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:38 -!- bails [~bails@modem-3278.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:40 -!- lanius [heino@p508E20D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 07:41 -!- miko [miko@milady.u-bourgogne.fr] has joined #ltsp 07:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:49 -!- Yngwie [Yngwie@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 07:51 -!- miko [miko@milady.u-bourgogne.fr] has quit ["Fermeture du client"] 07:55 -!- MetaCosm_ [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 08:05 < Zaw> does anyone know the turnaround time it would take to get 14 jammin 125's if i ordered them today? 08:05 < Yngwie> no but are the jammin 125's any good and how much are they? 08:05 < jammcq> Zaw: if you ordered them today, they'd prolly ship out tomorrow 08:06 < jammcq> in fact, I could make sure they shipped tomorrow 08:06 < jammcq> Yngwie: go to http://www.DisklessWorkstations.Com, the J125 is on that page 08:07 < Yngwie> jammcq: ok. I am in Australia so not an easy task to ship. 08:07 < jammcq> yeah, you'd get hit with higher shipping prices, and prolly import taxes 08:07 < Zaw> thanks 08:08 < jammcq> Zaw: who is Jason sopko ? 08:08 < Zaw> that's me 08:08 < Zaw> just got my email? : 08:08 < jammcq> heh, yet another Jason 08:08 < Zaw> :) 08:08 < jammcq> yeah 08:08 < jammcq> yer the CTO ? cool 08:09 < Zaw> we're going to use them as thin clients connecting to a win2k terminal server using diet pc 08:09 < Yngwie> jammcq: do you know if the jammin 125 can operate as a SUN RAY powered by a sun server? 08:09 < jammcq> umm, no, it won't. it's meant strictly for LTSP 08:10 < Yngwie> ok there is an option in kdmrc which allows Broadcast=True. Would this enabled mean I could choose my X session? 08:11 < Zaw> have you ever used it with the diet-pc project at all? i have it working connecting to a win2k terminal server, but haven't tried tweaking the video yet and it's only in 640x480 resolution 08:11 < jammcq> yeah, but I think it requires a few other things to make it work 08:11 < Zaw> http://diet-pc.sourceforge.net/ 08:11 < jammcq> I think you need to start the xserver on the client with '-indirect', instead of '-query' 08:11 < Zaw> ok 08:11 < jammcq> Zaw: nope, that answer was for Yngwie 08:12 < jammcq> as for diet pc, I haven't tried it 08:12 < Zaw> hehe, ok 08:12 < Yngwie> jammcq: ok would this mean that I might be able to get my clients geting a SUN session as well 08:12 < jammcq> Yngwie: providing the sun has a compatible display manager 08:12 < Zaw> it's kinda cool, really. they boot up to a small linux kernel handed to them via dhcp/tftp and immediately spawn X and connect to the win2k terminal server via rdesktop. all the user sees is linux boot stuff scrolling by, then they get a Windows 2000 login screen 08:12 < Yngwie> jammcq: they default to gnome as of Solaris 9 08:13 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 08:13 < jammcq> Yngwie: Gnome is the window manager, you need a compatible Display manager 08:13 < Yngwie> Zaw: Do you have any docs for doing that. I would love to see it? 08:14 < Yngwie> I think it runs gdm as an option. definitley not kdm! 08:14 < jammcq> Zaw: LTSP-4 will have the same capability, to spawn rdesktop 08:14 < Zaw> i haven't got it working flawlessly yet, but once it is and the project is done i'll publish some docs 08:14 < Zaw> jammcq: very cool 08:15 < Yngwie> Zaw: excellent. How long b4 LTSP 4 jammcq? 08:15 < jammcq> I am busting my hump to get it out before LinuxWorld, which is Aug 4th 08:16 < Yngwie> sounds interesting and different 08:16 < Zaw> i wish i could go to linuxworld, but we have a vacation planned for that week 08:16 < Zaw> our CEO is going, though 08:16 < jammcq> what's his name ? 08:16 < Zaw> Frank Genovese 08:16 < jammcq> hmm, sounds familiar 08:16 < jammcq> tell him to make sure he stops by the LTSP booth 08:17 < Zaw> yeah i will 08:17 < Zaw> he's actually the President, not the CEO 08:17 < jammcq> ah, whatever :) 08:17 < Zaw> but anyways, he already knows to stop by and say hello :) 08:20 < Yngwie> jammcq: you said that LTSP 4 will spawn rdesktop WIll the current ltsp 4 do that too 08:20 < jammcq> the plumbing is there for it, but nobody has written the screen-script for rdesktop yet 08:20 < Yngwie> ok. I wonder if this allowable in M$ EULA? 08:21 < jammcq> hmm, dunno. you aren't running any MS software until you log into the w2k server, I suppose you just need a client access licence 08:22 < Zaw> the licensing is such that you need both a win2k terminal server client access license as well as a windows 2000 client access license, but you eliminate the desktop OS license so you save money in the long run. not to mention the benefits of running a more secure and centralized environment. 08:22 < Yngwie> I was told by someone that you can only run a M$ Terminal session from a windows box! Not sure really 08:23 < Zaw> that's not true 08:23 < Zaw> you just need to make sure you have proper licensure 08:23 < Yngwie> ok. just a rumour 08:23 < Zaw> believe me, we had our lawyers pour over it :) 08:24 < Yngwie> ok. i am from a school environment in Australia and M$ give us TS licenses for free and as many as we want. But why wouldnt they it is crap! 08:29 -!- Yngwie [Yngwie@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 08:32 -!- miko [miko@milady.u-bourgogne.fr] has joined #ltsp 08:33 < miko> Hello, Somebody other there ? 08:33 < jammcq> i'm hear, but I have to leave in about 60 seconds 08:33 < miko> aie! 08:34 < miko> I have two question 08:34 < miko> first one : 08:34 < jammcq> I have 30 seconds 08:34 < miko> Coming back soon ? 08:34 < jammcq> hmm, about 2 hours 08:35 < miko> I think I will be still there 08:35 < miko> sshd solvdd ? 08:35 < miko> solved ? 08:51 -!- newbie2k [~fajar@202.147.250.5] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it."] 08:54 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has quit ["Client exiting"] 08:55 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has joined #ltsp 09:09 -!- lmvaz [~lmvaz@200-163-190-124.paemt7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 09:10 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has joined #ltsp 09:13 -!- Mundy [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:18 -!- lanius [heino@p508E20D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 09:18 -!- lanius [heino@p508E20D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 09:19 -!- lmvaz [~lmvaz@200-163-190-124.paemt7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 09:36 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has joined #ltsp 09:39 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has joined #LTSP 09:55 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:01 -!- natasiel [~dr@205.237.70.173] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 10:02 -!- wftl [~mgagne@199.243.101.42] has joined #ltsp 10:11 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:14 -!- natasiel [~dr@205.237.70.173] has joined #ltsp 10:18 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 10:18 < morfic> of course i stop hanging out in here all the time and sbalneav is back to be bugged....... 10:18 < morfic> ;P 10:19 < miko> jammcq: came back ? 10:20 -!- wftl [~mgagne@199.243.101.42] has left #ltsp ["Kopete 0.6.90cvs >= 20030620 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 10:24 -!- wftl [~WFTL@199.243.101.42] has joined #ltsp 10:25 < wftl> Hello, everyone. Has anybody on the list tried out the Knoppix/LTSP disk? 10:25 < wftl> I'm interested in knowing what you thought of the idea, as well as how well you thought it worked as a LTSP demo. 10:28 < miko> I don't know the existence of Knoppix/LTSP : what is it ? 10:29 < prpplague> miko: cd bootable ltsp 10:29 < prpplague> wftl: we have tinkered with a very early edition 10:29 < miko> Ah....... I am very interested : where is it ? 10:29 < prpplague> wftl: did really make any notes or comments 10:30 < prpplague> miko: http://www.google/linux 10:30 < prpplague> miko: and search for knoppix 10:30 < prpplague> miko: its a german site with a long url 10:30 < miko> I know and use knoppix 10:30 < prpplague> oh 10:30 < prpplague> thats where i got the ltsp version from 10:30 < prpplague> but its been a while 10:30 < miko> ok 10:31 < miko> I jump to the site :-) 10:32 -!- pucko [aj@d155.hn.student.liu.se] has quit ["[BX] Just do it like Nike... 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I've used Knoppix a fair bit, just not the LTSP component. 10:43 < wftl> That's what I was curious about. 10:44 < miko> And I do not find where to download that ! 10:44 < prpplague> jammcq: oh, now i remember 10:44 < prpplague> jammcq: did it get paid for? 10:44 -!- encrypt [~encrypt@cm-95.jpa.openline.com.br] has joined #ltsp 10:44 < prpplague> jammcq: seems like i sent a money order for that ages ago 10:44 < encrypt> hello 10:44 -!- encrypt [~encrypt@cm-95.jpa.openline.com.br] has quit [Client Quit] 10:44 < jammcq> prpplague: yeah, apparently only about half the people who pledged actually sent money 10:46 < miko> I have something curious on my installation 10:47 < miko> The ltsp server is also configured to answer to a xdm indirect request 10:48 < miko> I modify the launch of the client X server in order to make an indirect request 10:48 < miko> and got the chooser banner with all the required remote machine 10:48 < miko> but only the lstp server is accepting the connexion. 10:49 < jammcq> are the other machines able to map an IP address to a hostname for that workstation ? 10:49 < jammcq> are the other machines all on the same network ? 10:50 < miko> No to the last question 10:50 < misato> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=69507&cid=6339834 <-- 3 cheers :) 10:50 < jammcq> ok, maybe the workstation doesn't have a default route, so it can't get packets back to the other hosts 10:50 < misato> morfic: lumiere is light in french 10:51 < miko> jammcq: I guess that : how can I verify ? 10:51 < miko> jammcq: Is it possible to launch a local bash and the X server 10:51 < miko> misato: I confirm 10:51 < misato> miko: huh 10:52 < jammcq> misato: cool article 10:52 < misato> yea 10:52 < misato> that was a comment in the story aboce 10:52 < jammcq> i'll be seing pnelson and eharrison next week when I go to portland for O'Reilly's conference 10:52 < misato> I hope they'll come down to SF :) 10:52 < misato> I would love to talk to paul again 10:52 < jammcq> I think eric will be there, but I don't expect paul 10:52 < misato> (I wonder if he would recognize me now...) 10:53 < prpplague> jammcq: hey, how are you exporting all of the config options when using the -a flag with getltscfg 10:53 < prpplague> jammcq: ? 10:53 < jammcq> prpplague: like this: eval `getltscfg -a` 10:53 < prpplague> jammcq: ahh 10:53 < jammcq> it's a beautiful thing :) 10:53 < prpplague> jammcq: i've just call it once and redirect it to a file in /tmp 10:54 < prpplague> jammcq: then use it as an include in all my scripts 10:54 -!- encrypt [~encrypt@cm-95.jpa.openline.com.br] has joined #ltsp 10:54 < encrypt> hello 10:54 < encrypt> =) 10:55 < encrypt> my sis card works with Xvesa but serial mouse is dead.. 10:55 < morfic> misato: i know but from now on when i see lumiere on IRC i will think of beauty and the beast ;P 10:55 < misato> :/ 10:55 < misato> morfic: sec :) 10:55 -!- lanius [heino@p508E20D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 10:55 < miko> Another question : is there a way to avoid the need of the option root-path in the dhcpd.conf ? 10:56 < misato> morfic: http://www.misato.us/wallpaper/KiddyGrade/dtbkg6_1600.jpg with the light blue hair :) 10:56 < encrypt> my sis card works with Xvesa but serial mouse is dead.. can anybody help me? 10:57 < morfic> nah you are just some candle wielding chandelier (um i never spelled that before) 10:57 < morfic> why is anime always a mix between little girlish and sexy? 10:57 < misato> morfic: heh 10:58 < misato> July NetCraft WebServer Survey is in :) 10:58 < misato> Developer June 2003 Percent July 2003 Percent Change 10:58 < misato> Apache 25856505 63.16 26951879 63.72 0.56 10:58 < misato> Microsoft 10992195 26.85 10976342 25.95 -0.90 10:58 < morfic> is that something cool? 10:58 < morfic> ahh 10:58 < misato> yea if I actually went and edited that 10:58 < misato> sec 10:59 < misato> Developer June 2003 Percent July 2003 Percent Change 10:59 < misato> Apache 25856505 63.16 26951879 63.72 0.56 10:59 < misato> Microsoft 10992195 26.85 10976342 25.95 -0.90 10:59 < misato> there we go :) 10:59 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 11:00 < encrypt> paperclip =) 11:00 < morfic> the large number is meaning what? 11:00 < paperclip> hello 11:00 < misato> total count of sites 11:01 < morfic> oops i read that as *10 more than it is 11:01 < morfic> how do they count the total number of sites? 11:02 < miko> I guess they simply send a request to a possible server on each available IP adress 11:04 < paperclip> at what are we looking? 11:06 < encrypt> where do i get the vesa rpm? 11:07 < encrypt> only avaliable for tgz? 11:09 -!- oktay_ [~oktay@su-nat.datapipe.net] has joined #ltsp 11:11 < paperclip> encrypt: which distro are you using? 11:15 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1870.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 11:18 < mistik1> jammcq: you about? 11:18 < encrypt> paperclip conectiva 11:19 < paperclip> oh.. =) 11:19 < encrypt> i have a sis 5595 11:19 < paperclip> do you have the alien package? it will make a deb for you.. 11:20 < encrypt> no.. 11:20 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:20 < paperclip> does connectiva use deb? 11:20 < encrypt> deb? not debian here =P 11:20 < encrypt> no.. 11:20 < encrypt> rpm 11:21 < paperclip> oh.. i see.. 11:21 -!- miko [miko@milady.u-bourgogne.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:21 < encrypt> ow 11:21 < paperclip> but they use apt-get then, eh? 11:21 < encrypt> i guess 11:21 < encrypt> paperclip 11:21 < paperclip> hmm 11:21 < encrypt> i thought XSERVER = xxxx 11:22 < paperclip> i doubt there's much in the tarball.. probably just a module.. 11:22 < encrypt> should work only if xxxx was located on usr/X11../bin directory 11:22 < paperclip> you can probably manually move it to the correct place.. 11:22 < encrypt> but in some clients it worked just with XSERVER = vesa.. and i dont ahve vesa on the bin.. 11:22 < encrypt> so.. which values may be specified on XSERVER? 11:23 < encrypt> oh.. =) 11:23 < encrypt> i have a sis 5595 11:23 < encrypt> opz 11:23 < encrypt> gpm 11:26 < mistik1> hold on guys 11:26 < mistik1> what is this talk of bin 11:27 < paperclip> /bin 11:27 < mistik1> we are talking Xserver here X4 11:27 < paperclip> i think so.. 11:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: gola 11:27 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: manimay, paperclip, DrEvil, encrypt 11:27 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1870.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: encrypt 11:27 < mistik1> damn 11:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: manimay 11:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: paperclip 11:28 < encrypt> i guess sis5595 doesnt work.. 11:28 < mistik1> XSERVER = sis 11:28 < encrypt> screen is like trying 1024 resolution.. i did the x_mode_0 = 800x600 but same error 11:29 < encrypt> thats exactly what i did mistik1 11:29 < paperclip> grr 11:29 < mistik1> and what happends 11:29 < mistik1> I just got here 11:29 < encrypt> mistik1 monitor doesnt support 1024.. and i guess this is the resolution its trying to 11:29 < mistik1> the 5595 should have good support in X4 11:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: DrEvil 11:29 < mistik1> ahhh 11:30 < encrypt> because the screen is like crazy 11:30 < mistik1> X_MODE_0 = 800x600 11:30 < encrypt> i did.. let me try again 11:31 < mistik1> X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync 11:32 < oktay_> brb 11:32 -!- oktay_ [~oktay@su-nat.datapipe.net] has left #ltsp [] 11:34 < encrypt> worked!! 11:34 < encrypt> mistik1 thanks =) 11:34 < mistik1> np 11:35 < encrypt> this is the 3rd client 11:35 < encrypt> 14 missing 11:35 < encrypt> ehehe 11:35 < paperclip> heh 11:35 < jammcq> mistik1: hey, I really need you to show me that trick you did with ssh to create a vpn 11:35 < jammcq> but, not right now 11:35 < mistik1> My little client is still running strong for 3 days now 11:35 < paperclip> i was just about to ask if anyone tried this.. http://ayesha.phys.virginia.edu/~bryan/projects/knoppix/sterminal/ 11:36 < mistik1> and has had usage FYI 11:36 < mistik1> paperclip: not I 11:36 < mistik1> jammcq: 11:36 < paperclip> it looks pretty good.. 11:36 -!- davus [~davus@206.183.158.36] has joined #LTSP 11:36 < mistik1> I would love to show you anytime 11:36 < paperclip> stops ppl from sniffing username/password 11:37 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1763.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 11:37 < mistik1> I constantly wonder what would be the fastest way to encrypt the data from terminal <-> server in LTSP 11:42 < encrypt> i cant make rtl8139b work.. 11:42 < encrypt> it delays a infinite time, dot by dot, to load the kernel 11:45 < paperclip> mistik1: i'm book marking that.. and once i'm a bit more familiar with the whole ltsp "way" i'll have a go at installing it.. 11:46 < paperclip> first i should get a new kernel and XF86 built 11:46 < mistik1> why? 11:47 < encrypt> hmmm etherboot 5.1.8 brings a special driver to rtl8139b 11:47 < paperclip> well.. i think xf86 4.3.0 supports my client better.. 11:47 < mistik1> ahh, ok 11:47 < paperclip> and i think the newer kernel 2.4.21 supports my nic better.. 11:49 < morfic> paperclip: is that what the changelog of 2.4.21 says that it supports your nic better? 11:49 < encrypt> eb 5.1.x doesnt work with ltsp anyway? 11:49 < jammcq> it does now :) 11:49 < jammcq> latest ltsp kernel was released 2 days ago, it supports the development versions of Etherboot :) 11:49 < paperclip> well.. actually i read somewhere on the ltsp mailing list that via-rhine in the 2.4.2x kernels was improved.. 11:50 < jammcq> AND, it uses 2.4.21 for the kernel :) 11:50 < paperclip> what is the easiest way to upgrade? 11:50 < encrypt> great! 11:50 < jammcq> download and install 11:50 < jammcq> and update your dhcpd.conf file and restart dhcpd 11:51 < paperclip> mkay =) 11:52 < encrypt> wait.. the new version is 3.0.9? 11:52 < encrypt> ah ok!! 11:55 < encrypt> i can use new kernel in some clients and in others i may use the old, right? 11:55 < paperclip> looks like it.. 11:55 < paperclip> i think that's why you need to update dhcp.. to point the clients to the new kernel 11:56 < encrypt> yup 12:00 -!- f [~carlos@200.77.21.90] has joined #ltsp 12:00 < f> I just payed my first cyber cafes bribe hahaha 12:00 -!- f is now known as carlos28 12:00 < morfic> you paid yourself? 12:00 < encrypt> an off topic question.. since 1998 i always wanted to know why gpm sometimes paste without cliking.. 12:01 < encrypt> but never asked ehe 12:01 < morfic> encrypt: stop using touchpads that let you tap on the surface 12:01 < carlos28> it happens to me when pasting betewwn libkde and libgnome based apps, that sucks 12:01 < morfic> maybe drink more or less coffee whichever would cause you to twitch less often 12:02 < encrypt> but shoudnt it paste only when clicked? 12:02 -!- carlos28 [~carlos@200.77.21.90] has quit [Client Quit] 12:02 < morfic> yes, and i have never seen it paste w/o clicking 12:02 < encrypt> it always happens with me 12:03 < morfic> you must be hitting buttons by accident 12:03 < encrypt> i'm sure i'm not doing that 12:03 < encrypt> sometimes a little moving on the mouse and pooF 12:03 < encrypt> pasted.. 12:03 < morfic> wrong mouse protocol? 12:04 < encrypt> maybe.. but ive seem that on many boxes 12:04 < encrypt> all serial mouses.. 12:04 < encrypt> i dont remember it happened with ps2 12:05 < morfic> hm, sorry, never seen it so im skeptical 12:07 < encrypt> ihhh 12:07 < encrypt> same problem with 2.4.21 12:07 < encrypt> loading dot by dot.. slowly 12:08 < paperclip> anyone tried installing gpm on the client.. so that users can bring their own usb pointer.. 12:09 < encrypt> jammcq hm.. didnt work 12:10 < encrypt> client with rtl8139b and eb 5.1.8 driver.. found the server but delays loading 2.4.21 kernel.. slo. . . . . . wly 12:10 < morfic> look in topic 12:10 < morfic> try it with 5.0.9 come back when you still have problems 12:10 < encrypt> morfic 12:10 < encrypt> 5.0.9 doesnt have a drive to rtl8139b 12:11 < paperclip> morfic: [12:05:18] latest ltsp kernel was released 2 days ago, it supports the development versions of Etherboot :) 12:11 < encrypt> and jammcq said that kernel 2.4.21 has now support to eb develop 12:12 < morfic> noted 12:13 < encrypt> 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync 12:13 < encrypt> damm gpm! 12:17 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 12:17 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:27 < encrypt> etc/dhcpd.conf line 42: unknown option dhcp.option-129 12:27 < encrypt> =( 12:29 < encrypt> ahh fixed 12:41 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 12:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 12:45 -!- manimay [~manimay@pD95442CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:49 < encrypt> eb 5.1.8 reduced images to 15k.. interesting 12:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 12:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 12:52 < encrypt> is there anybody using HOLTEK? 12:59 -!- habbe [~habbe@212.109.29.125] has joined #ltsp 12:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:24 < paperclip> hmm.. i'm just reading about custom boot logos on the via mini-itx stuff.. 13:24 < paperclip> the author seems to think that you can install the etherboot stuff into the bios.. 13:25 < encrypt> ouch] 13:25 < paperclip> since apparently it's smaller than the pxe boot rom.. 13:28 < encrypt> where do i get an eprom writer? 13:28 < encrypt> burner 13:28 < encrypt> any.. 13:28 -!- habbe [~habbe@212.109.29.125] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 13:28 < paperclip> not sure.. 13:29 < paperclip> i know there are services that will burn them for you.. 13:29 < paperclip> or sell you cards capable of net boot 13:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:30 < encrypt> i'd like to buy the hardware 13:30 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1763.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:31 < paperclip> encrypt: http://www.controller-br.com.br/ 13:32 < encrypt> thanks.. and thanks for found in br 13:32 < encrypt> :P 13:32 < paperclip> i think they let you rent them too.. r$50/hour 13:32 < paperclip> yeah.. i was looking for a service in brasil 13:32 < encrypt> which? 13:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:45 -!- bails [~bails@modem-284.jaguar.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 13:48 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 13:48 < pLin_io> hi y'all 13:50 < encrypt> lo 13:50 < pLin_io> jammcq: ping 13:50 < pLin_io> holas encrypt 13:57 < encrypt> pLin_io =) 14:00 -!- natasiel [~dr@205.237.70.173] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 14:07 -!- redrobe [~redrobe@port0310-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:16 -!- encrypt [~encrypt@cm-95.jpa.openline.com.br] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:25 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 14:26 -!- bails [~bails@modem-284.jaguar.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 14:31 -!- encrypt [~encrypt@200.241.201.20] has joined #ltsp 14:31 < encrypt> how do i access cdrom on clients? 14:32 -!- encrypt [~encrypt@200.241.201.20] has quit [Client Quit] 14:32 -!- encrypt [~encrypt@200.241.201.20] has joined #ltsp 14:32 < encrypt> ops 14:36 < encrypt> how do i access cdrom on client? 14:36 < encrypt> paperclip have u done that? 14:36 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:36 < encrypt> ah 14:37 < encrypt> morfic you? 14:38 < morfic> no 14:38 < morfic> i never used local drives 14:39 < morfic> there are documents on how to do that (floppies for sure, cdroms i THINK) i never did it however 14:39 < pLin_io> epas morfic,,, greets from the canaries 14:40 < encrypt> thanks 14:41 < t0m> encrypt: it's possible .. but i don't think it 's easy .. from an end-user point of view 14:42 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: pLin_io, SmilieZ, robbie, DrEvil 14:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pLin_io, DrEvil, robbie, SmilieZ 14:43 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: pLin_io, SmilieZ, robbie, DrEvil 14:43 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pLin_io, DrEvil, robbie, SmilieZ 14:44 < encrypt> t0m.. ok.. what should i do? any link? 14:45 < t0m> i think its in the contrib section 14:45 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: pLin_io, SmilieZ, robbie, DrEvil 14:46 < encrypt> thanks 14:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: robbie, SmilieZ 14:48 -!- dahl.freenode.net changed the topic of #ltsp to: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to g.f to you as soon as possible! if nohne is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Please use etherboot version 5.0.9 (rom-o-maticny.f) for LTSP, 5.1.x are unstable developmental releases, which do not y.f work with LTSP. || Pasfe stuff to http://pasfebot.geeksinthehoodny.f:8888/ 14:48 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #ltsp to: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Please use etherboot version 5.0.9 (rom-o-matic.net) for LTSP, 5.1.x are unstable developmental releases, which do not yet work with LTSP. || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ 14:50 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 14:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 14:52 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #ltsp ["Terminando cliente"] 14:53 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:01 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 15:02 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:03 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:03 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:04 < encrypt> how can i access my virtual / using X? 15:05 < encrypt> i tried to use local floppy and its ok.. but when i start X the / is changed to the server 15:05 < encrypt> so i cant access /dev/floppy/o 15:05 < encrypt> so i cant access /dev/floppy/0 15:10 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 15:11 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:11 < encrypt> is my impression or ltsp forum was deleted? 15:11 < encrypt> ERROR 15:11 < encrypt> Forum not foudn 15:12 < encrypt> is ltsp.org off? 15:13 < encrypt> morfic u there? 15:14 < morfic> i am 15:15 < morfic> ltsp.org itself is up if that means the forums are there i cant tell you, phoenix somehow started w/o a URL bar 15:15 < jammcq> forums ? what forums ? 15:15 < encrypt> ltsp.org is out here 15:16 < encrypt> i did floppy and cdrom work.. but how can i keep working with X? cause fs changes.. 15:17 < encrypt> jammcq mailing list 15:17 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 15:18 < jammcq> encrypt: you say the 'fs changes', but you really need to understand. there's no magic making the filesystem change from the client to the server. You are simply logging into the server 15:19 < encrypt> jammcq sorry.. i know what u mean.. but how can i make local configured devices working after logging into the server? 15:19 < encrypt> like floppy, cdrom, etc 15:20 < jammcq> there's various solutions to that problem 15:20 < morfic> the contrib area has at least one of them unless more were added since i last checked 15:20 < encrypt> hmm 15:20 < encrypt> but ltsp.org is out 15:21 < encrypt> maintenance? 15:21 < jammcq> you can use enbd to access the cd. You can use mtools package to access floppy and cdrom. You can use nfs to access the cd and/or floppy. 15:21 < jammcq> I don't use any of those, because I don't have those devices in my thin clients 15:21 < encrypt> i'm using rmedia 15:22 < jammcq> and why do you say the ltsp.org is out ? 15:22 < jammcq> it works fine for me 15:23 < encrypt> cause i cant access 15:23 < encrypt> i tried to access on another box with another link 15:24 < Snafu> heh i would do a traceroute ... the internet has broken paths from time to time .. 15:25 < morfic> ltsp.org is fine 15:25 < encrypt> ouch 15:25 < morfic> like snafu said maybe some borken routers from you to there 15:25 < encrypt> not here.. 15:25 < encrypt> yeah 15:26 < encrypt> all brazil i guess 15:27 < Snafu> ltsp is kicking butt ... i ran across my first app goof in a while ... the new gnome pan is painfull over the wire drawing fonts ... go back to the older one running on gtk only, and its snappy 15:28 < Snafu> some of the X11 screenwork can deman absurd bandwidth if the toolkit is poor or is used poorly 15:28 < encrypt> back 15:29 -!- ^^bunnyo [~holmest_t@h24-76-199-194.va.shawcable.net] has joined #ltsp 15:29 < jammcq> hey ^^bunnyo 15:29 < ^^bunnyo> hi ho :) 15:29 < ^^bunnyo> just about to fire up my NEW puter!!!! 15:29 < ^^bunnyo> got a 2.26 gig with 60 Gig HD and 256 RAM :) beats my old PII 400 eh?? 15:30 < ^^bunnyo> BRAND STINKING NEW.. never been used :) 15:30 < jammcq> whoa !!! 15:30 < ^^bunnyo> auction purchase 15:30 < jammcq> running Linux ? 15:30 < ^^bunnyo> now i just have to figure out how to get NAT working (service is running) on my home network 15:30 < ^^bunnyo> likely dual boot 15:31 < ^^bunnyo> I will still keep linux on my PII 400 though :) 15:31 < ^^bunnyo> have K12LTSP ver 2.1 loaded on it for playing with 15:33 < ^^bunnyo> we are still going with linux in our school next year - except a few stations that have windows only programs and are crutial... 15:34 < ^^bunnyo> no OS came with the new puter... looks like linux here I come :) 15:36 < encrypt> sorry but.. in contrib area.. which doc should i read to make removable media work on X? 15:36 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:36 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:36 < jammcq> encrypt: hmm, dunno. there should be some info there if you just scan through the list of articles 15:37 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:38 < encrypt> hmm.. didnt find 15:41 < encrypt> paul whittaker dont talk about x 15:42 < ^^bunnyo> . 15:46 -!- bails [~bails@modem-285.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 15:46 < mistik1> ribit 15:47 < ^^bunnyo> hi mistik1 :) how you doing? 15:47 < jammcq> encrypt: X has nothing to do with it 15:47 < jammcq> it's simply accessing local devices from the server 15:47 < jammcq> you just happen to be using X to login to the server 15:47 < mistik1> I've decided that I have completely lost my graphical skillz 15:47 < mistik1> linux networking owns me 15:49 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:50 < ^^bunnyo> mistik1: meaning?? you aren't doing graphic design or ?? 15:51 < mistik1> meaning I cant seem to do the simplest graphic anymore 15:52 < ^^bunnyo> lol - whatcha trying to do? 15:53 -!- wftl [~WFTL@199.243.101.42] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta1 "Eve's Avatar""] 15:53 < encrypt> ahhhh jammcq now i got it 15:53 < encrypt> ee 15:53 < encrypt> eheh 15:54 < mistik1> design a theme 15:55 < ^^bunnyo> for? 15:55 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:55 < encrypt> where do i get mtools? 15:55 -!- bails [~bails@modem-285.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:58 < mistik1> jammcq: when starting pppd can you force it or tell it what device to use? 15:58 < mistik1> for example ppp3 vs ppp0 16:00 < jammcq> mistik1: hmm, dunno 16:01 -!- geo_ [~geo@209.94.82.200] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:11 < mistik1> okie dokie 16:11 < mistik1> I found a way to do this 16:12 < mistik1> god I just love the way unix programs are written 16:12 < mistik1> pppd $options linkname 16:13 < mistik1> no need to then force a device since all I need that for is to know which to kill remotely when I close the link 16:13 < jammcq> ah 16:13 < jammcq> cool 16:14 < jammcq> I saw that option, but didn't think it would help you 16:14 < mistik1> yea 16:14 < mistik1> cause I can just kill `cat /var/run/ppp-.pid` 16:14 < mistik1> pretty sweet all in all 16:15 < mistik1> right now I have the vpn-ssh set to just kill the local pppd to close the connection 16:15 < mistik1> this is ok on this end 16:15 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:16 < mistik1> Here is the problem with doing it that way, If you have an accidental disconnect or need to just reconnect quickly the other end of the ppp will stay up untill it times out 16:17 < mistik1> this is not good because if you try and setup a tunnel while this is going on you will end up with ppp0 and ppp1 with the exact same info 16:17 < mistik1> IP/MASK etc 16:17 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 16:17 < mistik1> suffice to say the routing would be useless 16:19 < mistik1> however since we are using keyed ssh to establish the link in the first place why not have the *stop* go out and stop the pppd on the remote end via same keyed ssh, thereby killing the connection instantly on both sides 16:19 < mistik1> then you could connect and reconnect as quickly as you like without waiting an hour for pppd to timeout 16:20 < mistik1> since this is for setting up a tunnel using the inactive timeout option of pppd is also impractical 16:21 < mistik1> I'm stop ranting on now 16:21 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:21 < jammcq> misato: hey, the "call for volunteers" has been sent out :) 16:21 < misato> cool 16:21 < misato> where did it go to? 16:22 < jammcq> you should get an email real soon 16:22 < misato> ahh 16:22 < misato> works for me :) 16:23 < ^^bunnyo> volunteers for what? (my brain in on the successful Vancouver 2010 bid!! yeah!!!).... 16:24 < jammcq> i'm gonna put the notice on the ltsp.org soon 16:24 < jammcq> ^^bunnyo: Linux World in San Fran 16:24 < ^^bunnyo> ahh... is the way paid for volunteers? lol... only way I can afford to go.... 16:25 < jammcq> well, i'll pick up the cost of the exhibit passes :) 16:26 -!- lanius [heino@p508E17EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 16:26 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 16:28 < misato> jammcq: and if I multiplied by 3, would you be paying any more? 16:29 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:30 < jammcq> misato: for the exhibit passes ?? Hmm, 1 x 0 = 0. 3 x 0 = 0. So, yes, it would triple my costs :) 16:32 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 16:34 < ^^bunnyo> lol jammcq - I really wish I could be there... but alas... my money is going to support my son's olympic dream 16:34 < ^^bunnyo> ok ... can I request some help on NAT? 16:35 < ^^bunnyo> I have my new box with and OS installed.. I have the gateway set - but what do I put for DNS as I am not running a DNS server here at the house (no real need with only a few computers).... 16:36 < jammcq> put your ISP nameserver address 16:36 < ^^bunnyo> hmm... just looked at my tail of /var/log/messages and came up with some interesting things... 16:37 < ^^bunnyo> Jul 2 14:32:12 Server1 kernel: killerwall:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:10:5a:a6:fb:57:00 16:37 < ^^bunnyo> :00:77:94:69:c5:08:00 SRC=24.117.70.231 DST=24.76.199.194 LEN=108 TOS=0x00 PREC= 16:37 < ^^bunnyo> 0x00 TTL=113 ID=8721 PROTO=UDP SPT=3892 DPT=135 LEN=88 16:38 < ^^bunnyo> looks like someone likes port 3892... hmmm... 16:39 < mistik1> no 16:39 < mistik1> they like port 135 16:40 < ^^bunnyo> oh... 16:40 < ^^bunnyo> I don't think they got thru though 16:40 < mistik1> I think not 16:40 < ^^bunnyo> your great program killerwall does a great job of keeping them out :) 16:40 < mistik1> since the port is not open 16:41 < ^^bunnyo> ok.. what is the file and is created by DHCP and shows what the ISP DNS servers are? 16:41 < mistik1> jammcq: log level warn does the same console mess 16:41 < mistik1> I use level 6 'info' as a default 16:41 < mistik1> and made it dynamic via $LOGLEVEL variable 16:42 < mistik1> ^^bunnyo: new release comming soon 16:42 < ^^bunnyo> kewl :) 16:43 < mistik1> I just wish I could confirm with defile before I do so 16:43 < ^^bunnyo> NAT enabled for 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 - so it looks like i have the linux box config'd correctly 16:44 < ^^bunnyo> how do I get a listing for the DNS server again? can't recall the text file.... dhcp.conf? 16:44 < mistik1> resolv.conf 16:44 < ^^bunnyo> doh! 16:45 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-173-25.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 16:46 -!- manimay [~manimay@pD95442CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 16:47 -!- encrypt_ [~mad@200.199.77.170] has joined #ltsp 16:47 -!- encrypt_ [~mad@200.199.77.170] has quit [Client Quit] 16:47 < ^^bunnyo> hmm.. put in the info and still can't get my client to use the internet :( 16:48 < jammcq> hmm 16:49 < ^^bunnyo> ok.. weird.. 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21:07 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 21:32 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 21:46 < Zaw> ltsp 3.0 uses xfree86 3.x right? 21:46 < jammcq> it has both 3.3.6 and 4.2.99 21:52 < Zaw> i'm having a problem getting the jammin 125 to work via etherboot, running a small kernel and X on itself. it works fine using ltsp, though. 21:52 < Zaw> if i can get this working we'll buy 15 of them :) 21:52 < jammcq> what is the problem ? 21:54 < Zaw> well, the developer of diet-pc (http://diet-pc.sourceforge.net) doesn't have drivers for the Cyrix 5530 video chipset, i think that's mostly the problem. i'm trying to kludge my way through faking it into thinking that it's loading the vesa driver, but replacing the vesa driver with the 5530 driver and it *almost* works. that is, i at least get a grey screen with an X 21:55 < Zaw> i took the 5530 driver from the ltsp.org site and copied it over the vesa driver 21:56 < jammcq> have you tested the j-125 booting with ltsp ? 21:56 < Zaw> the reason we'd like to use diet-pc over ltsp is that we only need one server, the win2k terminal server 21:56 < Zaw> yeah, i have an ltsp server here and it works fine, we use it to demo at trade shows ;) 21:57 < jammcq> what are you trying to connect to with dietpc ? 21:57 < Zaw> a win2k terminal server 21:57 < Zaw> via the rdp client 21:57 < jammcq> does it appear to be launching the rdesktop ? 21:57 < Zaw> if i'm getting the grey screen with an X, is the video driver working properly? 21:58 < Zaw> no, it doesn't launch the rdp client 21:58 < jammcq> well, I don't know anything about how dietpc works 21:59 < sbalneav> Evening all! 21:59 < jammcq> scotti !!!!!! 21:59 < sbalneav> Hey there jammcq! 22:06 -!- reepicheep [~trevor@213.208.87.130] has quit ["[x]chat"] 22:15 < jammcq> sbalneav: hey, did you make any plans for Ottawa ? 22:16 < sbalneav> jammcq: Yep, phoned around today to see if I could find a hotel for a couple of nights. 22:16 < sbalneav> I'll do some more phoning tomorrow. What time would be good to give yo a buzz? 22:17 < jammcq> we have a room with 3 beds, and 3 of us are staying there. BUt, it also has a sofa-bed 22:17 < sbalneav> Ohh. 22:17 < jammcq> and, I think there are 2 bathrooms too 22:17 < sbalneav> Who's in it? Ron and Jim G? 22:18 < jammcq> Jim G and another Jim 22:18 < sbalneav> BWAHAHAHAHA 22:18 < sbalneav> 3 jims? 22:18 < jammcq> so, it could be Jim, Jim, Jim and Scott :) 22:18 < sbalneav> I'm sorry, I'd insist on being called "not-jim" 22:19 < jammcq> the room is $219CAD/nite for the nights you would be with us, we'd just split it 4 ways 22:19 < jammcq> not bad, prolly run you about $60/nite 22:19 < jammcq> including taxes 22:19 < sbalneav> And 60 bucks cad too! That'll work! 22:19 < jammcq> yeah, that's like $1.98, eh ? 22:19 < sbalneav> hehehehe 22:20 < jammcq> what about getting into OLS ? 22:21 < sbalneav> Haven't checked on that yet. I'll do it tomorrow. If nothing else I can just bumb around in the day and hang out in the evenings. This isn't a booth thing, is it? It's more of a conference I gather. 22:21 < jammcq> no booth, in fact they don't even have booths there 22:22 < sbalneav> Yeah, I thought it was an actual conference. OK, I'll phone in the morning, see if I can get a two day "hangers on" pass :-) 22:22 < jammcq> sweet 22:23 < jammcq> yeah, this is one of those easy conferences where I don't have to do anything except show up :) 22:24 < sbalneav> Those are the good ones. 22:24 < jammcq> hey, any idea what it takes to get bumper stickers made ? 22:24 < jammcq> actually something a bit smaller than a bumper sticker 22:25 < jammcq> i'd like to put a LTSP.org sticker on the lid of my notebook, so that when the lid is up, people can see it 22:25 < jammcq> kind of the Bumper sticker of the new millenium :) 22:25 < sbalneav> Geez, I wonder if you could get something like that done at cafepress.com 22:26 < jammcq> hmm, lemme check 22:26 < sbalneav> Don't they do small run calendars, bumper stickers, etc. 22:26 < jammcq> i've never heard of them, but here I go :) 22:26 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:30 < Zaw> hmm. it seems that after the initial kernel is loaded via dhcp, it no longer retains its IP address. 22:31 < sbalneav> Zaw: Not in LTSP. It re-broadcasts for it's IP addr. 22:32 < jammcq> Zaw: that is correct, unless you set IP-Autoconfig in the kernel 22:34 < jammcq> we don't use ip-autoconfig, because Linus keeps threatening to remove it from future kernels 22:34 < sbalneav> jammcq: Does cafepress look like what you want? Looks like you'd just design the bumper sticker, and they'd make 'em as needed. 22:34 < Zaw> ok 22:35 < jammcq> sbalneav: hmm, dunno. I also looked at bumperstickers.com 22:35 < jammcq> I think what I need is a bit smaller than a bumper sticker 22:36 < jammcq> jeez, minimum order 125 stickers for $157 ouch ! 22:38 < sbalneav> I have to say: I STILL want an LTSP mug. I think a nice blue mug with yellow lettering would make my coffee taste oh-so-good. 22:42 < jammcq> hmm, maybe a nice thing to have. I could put it on my desk, right next to the 'Legal Aid Manitoba' mug that a great friend of mine gave me :) 22:42 < jammcq> would be great for holding more pencils :) 22:43 < Snafu> how much power can you get wout a fan these days ... 22:44 < Snafu> i guess i should spend some time with some cu/al stock and a mill 22:45 < sbalneav> hehe 22:47 < Snafu> in my rf amps we use alots of aluminum .. and therm controled fans using a simple comparitor and thermistor 22:48 < Snafu> and the sink is large we are talking 2 foot sq finned slabs 22:48 < Snafu> but on a PC the cpu is on the wrong side of the board to sink it properly 23:32 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:39 < misato> hi scottie! 23:41 < misato> jammcq: so, do we have white ltsp shirts at this point :) 23:41 < misato> :) 23:41 < misato> :/ 23:41 < jammcq> we should have blue or white 23:41 < misato> man those sizes are off :/ 23:41 < misato> L or 2XL 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it use ? 08:27 < blackspy> nvidia nic , yeah , the driver can be downloaded from nvidia and patch it against the kernel 08:27 < jammcq> well, sounds like you'd have to build your own kernel 08:27 < jammcq> I think nvidia's license prevents me from including their driver in the kernels that I distribute 08:28 < jammcq> this is where you can stand up and vote with your dollars. ie: Just say no 08:28 < blackspy> no to nvidia? 08:28 < blackspy> :) 08:28 < jammcq> yes 08:28 < jammcq> their licenses suck 08:28 < blackspy> ok. however, i did recompile the kernel 08:29 < jammcq> ok 08:29 < blackspy> and have a 2.4.19 ready 08:29 < jammcq> and ? 08:29 < blackspy> the next step i did was to get the ltsp_initrd_kit 08:30 < jammcq> that should have been the first step 08:30 < blackspy> and then create a new initrd and image 08:30 < jammcq> it has the .config file for building your kernel with the correct options 08:30 < blackspy> yes i did 08:30 -!- loos [~loos@mail.dieacht.de] has joined #ltsp 08:30 < blackspy> i got the .config from that initrd 08:30 < jammcq> k 08:30 < blackspy> kit 08:30 < loos> hello all 08:30 < blackspy> hi loos 08:31 < blackspy> how can i make the driver be included the image or in the initrd? 08:31 < jammcq> did you run the buildk script ? 08:31 < blackspy> it was a success, but i got a kernel panic 08:31 < blackspy> yes 08:31 < jammcq> what does the panic say ? 08:31 < blackspy> err, not sure already... 08:31 < jammcq> actually, before the panic what does it say ? 08:31 < loos> i have a short question, i it possible to redirect an usb port on an ltsp thin client ? 08:32 < jammcq> loos: depends on what you are connecting. printers and mice are fine 08:32 < loos> so that i can get an usb infrared adapter to work ? 08:32 < blackspy> jammcq: i forgot what it said but for sure it's not runnning the linuxrc yet 08:32 < jammcq> what are you adapting 08:32 < jammcq> blackspy: well, the reason for the panic would certainly help in diagnosing the problem 08:33 < loos> ahm, it is an usb infrared adapter for lego mindstorm robots 08:33 < jammcq> and, i've got to leave in a few minutes 08:33 < jammcq> loos: ah, probably would be difficult to get it working. we've got plans for a character device redirector for LTSP, but it's still in the "idea" stage at this point 08:33 < loos> okay, no chance at the moment ? 08:34 < blackspy> jammcq: i hope it was but along with the panic is not bit of a help to diagnose it, it's a little vague for me to solve 08:34 < jammcq> loos: well, there's nothing written yet to help you 08:34 < jammcq> blackspy: the messages leading up to the panic will tell a great deal of info 08:34 < blackspy> jammcq: using the buildk, how can i make the nvidia driver included? 08:35 < loos> okay, thanks a lot for your fast answer ;) bye... 08:35 < blackspy> ok, when can i talk to you again? 08:35 < jammcq> the buildk will copy all of the NIC modules from the /lib/modules/2.4.19-ltsp-xxxx directory into your initrd 08:35 -!- loos 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Id like to find a fast one to work on LTSP 13:25 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> to print tickets at a movie theatre 13:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:39 < MetaCosm> CarlosAkAPedroNT: ahhh 13:39 < MetaCosm> cool idea 13:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:39 < MetaCosm> I have never used one with Linux (or LTSP) 13:40 -!- pucko [aj@d155.hn.student.liu.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:43 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 13:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:49 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> how about a safe way of adding users by non users? I have a cyber cafe and Id like to let anybody add him/herself as user at any ws 13:50 -!- lanius [heino@p508E3745.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 13:56 < MetaCosm> CarlosAkAPedroNT: ummmmm 13:56 < MetaCosm> web form? 13:56 < MetaCosm> you get some info (CC number) 13:56 < MetaCosm> etc 13:56 < MetaCosm> you create an account 13:56 < MetaCosm> and secure the info attached to that account 13:56 < MetaCosm> you have a cyber cafe that runs linux -- impressive! 13:57 < MetaCosm> that would seem like a real hard sell to me 13:57 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@200.179.165.123] has quit ["now going out ..."] 13:57 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> well I have 144 registered users after 1 month since I opernned 13:58 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> all users NEED 1 AMSN, 2, MOZILLA and 3 OPEN OFFICE 13:59 < MetaCosm> what is AMSN? 13:59 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> nothing else, and in this month only 1 client`s needs where not met, that was to open a COREL DRAW 14:00 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> messenger.msn.com 14:00 < MetaCosm> ahhh 14:00 < MetaCosm> do you use jabber? 14:00 < MetaCosm> to get all the services out? 14:00 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> msn is the No. 1 used app 14:00 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> whats jabber? hehehe 14:00 < MetaCosm> ahh 14:00 < MetaCosm> you will like 14:00 < MetaCosm> it is a local server 14:00 < MetaCosm> that "links" to msn/aol/yahoo/etc 14:00 < MetaCosm> so they can use their accounts on all of those services 14:00 < MetaCosm> as well as jabber 14:00 < MetaCosm> and you have control 14:01 < MetaCosm> because you have the server link 14:01 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> isnt it gabber? 14:01 < MetaCosm> and you can say they "can't upload files, but can do XYZ" 14:01 < MetaCosm> gabber == client 14:01 < MetaCosm> jabber == server 14:01 < MetaCosm> there are a ton of clients 14:01 < MetaCosm> http://www.jabber.org/ (I think you might like it) 14:02 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> ohh, but I do allow them to save files, that is one of my main competitive advantages, I have stup a 160 GB hard drive just to house users, I allow them to save files and they will see them in there when they come back 14:02 < MetaCosm> yeah 14:02 < MetaCosm> that is a major advantage 14:02 < MetaCosm> but liability too 14:02 < MetaCosm> but -- you are fairly safe 14:02 < MetaCosm> from most virus problems 14:03 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> but my #1 competitive advantage is the custom desktop image, all kids change wallpapers every time they come and show off to each other 14:04 < MetaCosm> CarlosAkAPedroNT: ahh -- great man 14:04 < MetaCosm> I have seen so many windows based cyber cafes go broke 14:04 < MetaCosm> how do you bill ? 14:04 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> my problem here is that I do plan on installing 10 windowze based machines for gaming, but they will have no internet, to keep lan gamers from homework makers 14:04 < MetaCosm> ummm 14:05 < MetaCosm> you should really link that to the outside world, kids on dialup will come in to have the low ping of a T1 from your business to smash their enemies, and you will get good clan groups coming in to play in competetions 14:05 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> bill? easy, fair by-the-minute billing, the minute costs 0.18 pesos, you buy 1 USD with 10 pesos 14:05 < MetaCosm> if you get real good players, people will come to watch. 14:05 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 14:05 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> cools 14:05 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> cool 14:05 * MetaCosm ran a cyber cafe or two in his time :) 14:06 < MetaCosm> CarlosAkAPedroNT: when I was in highschool 14:06 < MetaCosm> I managed two 14:06 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> I want to open my 10th cc by the end of the year 14:06 < MetaCosm> CarlosAkAPedroNT: awesome. 14:06 < MetaCosm> the Windows workstations are a bitch to manage 14:06 < MetaCosm> I recommend nightly imaging. 14:06 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> all ltsp based and windows excluivelly for the proffitable gaming niche 14:07 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> nightly imaging? damned! 14:07 < MetaCosm> yeah -- best way to cope 14:07 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> is there a comprehensible doc on that? 14:07 < MetaCosm> ahh -- it is easy 14:07 < MetaCosm> lots of apps todo it 14:07 < MetaCosm> just annoying 14:07 < MetaCosm> umm 14:07 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> is it possible to make a diskless windows? 14:07 < MetaCosm> not for gaming 14:07 < MetaCosm> at all 14:08 < MetaCosm> needs local games 14:08 < MetaCosm> you need high end equipment 14:08 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> that stinks 14:08 < MetaCosm> or they will be unaccepting 14:08 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> I know 14:08 < MetaCosm> also 14:08 < MetaCosm> you need to seperate your groups 14:08 < MetaCosm> the punks you will get for gaming 14:08 < MetaCosm> will not mix well with non-punks 14:08 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> hahaha punks! 14:08 < MetaCosm> punks/teens/trouble makers 14:08 < MetaCosm> they drive away adult business users. 14:08 < MetaCosm> quickly 14:08 < MetaCosm> that is what killed the two I worked at 14:09 < MetaCosm> we went basically 100% gamer centrix 14:09 < MetaCosm> because we could keep every station filled 14:09 < MetaCosm> we used overhead 3d sound domes 14:09 < MetaCosm> keeps the sound local and directional 14:09 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> I was thiking of making a dark room with black light in a closed room with a glass door for gaming and the rest of the establishment to be white full of colorfull pictures 14:09 < MetaCosm> but -- then faster home computers got cheaper, and cabel modems came 14:10 < MetaCosm> and the business died 14:10 < MetaCosm> you gotta make sure you keep both segments alive 14:10 < MetaCosm> the business and gaming 14:10 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> even separated in some cases 14:10 * MetaCosm sends CarlosAkAPedroNT a consulting bill for $500 US via paypal tonight :) 14:10 < MetaCosm> hehe 14:10 < MetaCosm> I would _ALWAYS_ seperate 14:10 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> hahaha 14:11 < MetaCosm> the dark room + glass door sounds great. 14:11 < MetaCosm> do you have a little bar/food area? 14:11 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> just a coke fridge and all kinds of chips 14:11 < MetaCosm> nice thing is -- keep your LTSP cheap -- but make the price on the gaming boxes slightly more -- because of the cost to maintain the windows boxes and buy the games etc etc 14:12 < MetaCosm> they will need bigger monitors and the dome speakers work very nice 14:12 < MetaCosm> you mount the dome speaker on the ceiling above the workstation 14:12 < MetaCosm> and -- you will need CRTS 14:12 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> ltsp are 1 buck an hour and gaming places charge 2 bucks an hour so I will charge the same 14:12 < MetaCosm> LCDs (even good ones) "smear" 14:13 < MetaCosm> CarlosAkAPedroNT: well -- as you scale up -- think of the company I work for :) We will fly out some consultants if you need them :) I hope you make it work man :) 14:13 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> I quite have not gotten the dome concept allright, is there a picture of that on the web? 14:13 < MetaCosm> jabber works on windows and linux (another nice advantage) 14:14 < MetaCosm> CarlosAkAPedroNT: you need to high a hardcore gamer to help you setup the image for the boxes. 14:14 < MetaCosm> umm 14:14 < MetaCosm> let me find a picture 14:14 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> thanks 14:14 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> and also tell me about that company you work for 14:15 < MetaCosm> SuprTek.com and Xram.com 14:15 < MetaCosm> I work for SuprTek about 90% 14:15 < MetaCosm> and I am part owner of a new company 14:15 < MetaCosm> I can't go into 14:16 < MetaCosm> I am a software consultant 14:16 < MetaCosm> the reason I mention the dome speaker 14:16 < MetaCosm> is hardcore gamers like to know the "direction" the sound came from 14:17 < MetaCosm> sound is a BIG part of the high end players game 14:17 < MetaCosm> lots of the (in the US at least) spend 300 US on headphones 14:23 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> just a sec please, Im printing color ;) 14:31 -!- lanius [heino@p508E3745.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 14:39 < MetaCosm> CarlosAkAPedroNT: still around? 14:39 < MetaCosm> http://www.purestereo.com/newpage/default.html\ 14:39 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> yes 14:39 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> just got back 14:39 < MetaCosm> did you get my /msg's? 14:39 < MetaCosm> http://www.purestereo.com/newpage/default.html 14:40 < MetaCosm> Brown Innovations is the name of the company 14:40 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> I let anyone print b/w but I print color for a buck 14:40 < MetaCosm> look at the sound domes. 14:41 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> should I wait for the flash to load? 14:42 < MetaCosm> I think you have to :( 14:43 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> mr bean with a thumbs up? hahaha 14:43 < MetaCosm> hehe 14:47 < CarlosAkAPedroNT> they look good 14:47 -!- blackspy [~blackspy@202.138.188.187] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:47 -!- blackspy [~blackspy@203.131.69.75] has joined #ltsp 14:50 < MetaCosm> CarlosAkAPedroNT: pricey but good -- I got a friend 14:50 < MetaCosm> who can hook you up with like 80 used ones 14:50 < MetaCosm> if you are interested (up to 80) 15:01 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-180-183.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 15:19 -!- CarlosAkAPedroNT [~carlos@200.77.18.253] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:25 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:27 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 15:32 -!- rehines [~rehines@argonath.itcs.purdue.edu] has joined #ltsp 15:33 < rehines> Having a problem getting ltsp working in RH9. 15:33 < rehines> All the daemons start, and everything appears to be config'd right, but the workstations never get a kernel and the tftp times out. 15:35 < davus> maybe an obvious question, but did you install TFTP? 15:35 < davus> i just did a RH9 install and it doesn't go by default 15:37 < rehines> tftp is installed, and responds to the request. Ethereal sniffing says that the client is trying to read the kernel, so I don't get a file not found error, but the client never gets the kernel. 15:38 < davus> can you use TFTP from a different computer and the kernel by hand? 15:38 < davus> ^get 15:38 < davus> sorry 15:39 < rehines> That would be a problem. The setup is on a private network. Only the workstations and server listen there. 15:40 < rehines> The clients send a 'Read request', and the server sends several TFTP Option Acknoledgements, but the client never gets the file. 15:44 < davus> interesting, so there are definetly packets exchanged but the file just doesn't get there? 15:46 < rehines> Right 15:48 < davus> well, i gtg to an appointment, but if there was a way to try tftp from the commandline i (personally) would start there, maybe tftp localhost will at least rule out any typos :-) 15:48 < rehines> Does ltsp require a specific type of tftp? 15:48 < davus> just the reg tftp 15:48 < rehines> Hmm 15:48 < davus> tftp-server package on the RH cds 15:49 < rehines> ::nod:: 15:49 < rehines> I'll see, I think I didn't install the client... 15:50 < davus> well, have fun for now, bbl 15:50 -!- davus [~davus@206.183.158.36] has left #LTSP [] 15:50 < rehines> Thanks 15:56 < kVanQue> rehines: use the tftp client, if you can't reterive the client, check permissions, check that tftp-server is looking @ /tftpboot and if it's chrooting so that /tftpboot shouldn't be in the path 16:05 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@200.179.165.123] has joined #ltsp 16:31 -!- HiltonT [~HiltonT@dsl-119.131.240.220.lns01-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 16:35 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-180-183.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:45 -!- holly [~holly@host217-39-86-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ltsp 16:47 < holly> Thanks for the LTSP project. its really cool. 16:47 -!- holly [~holly@host217-39-86-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:48 -!- holly [~holly@host217-39-86-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ltsp 16:54 < robbie> jammcq: im here 16:55 < rehines> I used the tftp client and it retrieved the kernel fine from the command prompt on the server machine, but the workstations still get nothing. 16:55 -!- holly [~holly@host217-39-86-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ltsp [] 17:03 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 17:05 * rehines is away: I'm busy 17:15 -!- ws001 [~ws001@200.21.60.51] has joined #ltsp 17:15 < ws001> hi everyone 17:18 < ws001> hola 17:18 < ws001> alguien hablla español 17:24 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 17:43 -!- Phohong^Bakar [~boeta_man@202.155.128.215] has joined #ltsp 17:47 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@200.179.165.123] has quit ["now going out ..."] 17:55 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 18:02 -!- Phohong^Bakar [~boeta_man@202.155.128.215] has quit [] 18:03 -!- ws001 [~ws001@200.21.60.51] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:19 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-40-10.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 18:26 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:28 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 18:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 18:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 18:55 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@80.103.145.194] has joined #ltsp 18:56 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:58 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has quit ["ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?"] 18:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:01 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-40-10.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:01 -!- __OOps__ is now known as OOps 19:04 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:05 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:23 -!- natasiel [~dr@205.237.70.173] has joined #ltsp 19:23 -!- natasiel [~dr@205.237.70.173] has quit [Client Quit] 19:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:29 -!- blackspy [~blackspy@203.131.69.75] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:38 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.145.194] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:44 -!- blackspy [~blackspy@202.138.188.187] has joined #ltsp 19:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:59 < blackspy> hey jammcq, u there? 19:59 < blackspy> :) 20:24 -!- dida [~pc3@202.155.128.215] has joined #ltsp 20:46 -!- Slippery_Chicken [Slippery_C@Guelph-ppp279442.sympatico.ca] has joined #ltsp 20:59 < Slippery_Chicken> anyone try booting over 802.11b ? 20:59 < Slippery_Chicken> or... "a" or g" 21:07 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:10 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 21:22 -!- Slippery_Chicken [Slippery_C@Guelph-ppp279442.sympatico.ca] has quit [] 21:24 < jammcq> hey 21:25 < jammcq> robbie: hey 21:25 < jammcq> robbie: you've got to do something with DrEvil, he seems sick. keeps dying and coming back 21:35 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:29 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 23:37 -!- drevil3 [~drevil@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:37 -!- drevil3 [~drevil@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 23:38 < jammcq> moo 23:48 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:55 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Day changed Fri Jul 04 2003 00:41 -!- brainless [~anurag@202.149.212.198] has joined #ltsp 00:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 00:47 * HiltonT is away: - Basketball gig 00:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:51 < brainless> jammcq: http://www.emergic.org/ <-- ur names out here :) 00:53 < paperclip> does this mean you people can program vcrs? 00:57 < brainless> paperclip: count me out 00:57 < paperclip> heh.. 00:57 < brainless> paperclip: chk out www.123shots.com 00:58 < paperclip> why do i want to send my shots to india? 00:58 < paperclip> did you recompile X for the epia 5000? 00:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:02 < paperclip> my epia 5000 doesn't like it when i try and go fullscreen from frozen-bubble 01:04 < brainless> paperclip: there are lot of Indians uin US who wud love to send pics to india 01:04 < brainless> i am installing gentoo on epia 5000 01:05 < paperclip> i've got gentoo on this workstation.. and i'm using the epia 5000 as a client 01:05 < brainless> how is gentoo's performance? 01:05 < paperclip> great.. 01:05 < paperclip> i thougt you were using gentoo when i spoke with you the other day.. =) 01:05 < brainless> :) 01:06 < brainless> i am still compiling 01:06 < brainless> got a measly 1.2kbps connection 01:06 < paperclip> i see.. 01:06 < paperclip> i put gentoo on my epia.. for fun.. 01:06 < paperclip> i like using it as a terminal better =) 01:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:12 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 01:13 < brainless> its almost 3 days, and still kde is getting compiled 01:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:20 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 01:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:40 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 02:23 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 02:23 -!- blackspy [~blackspy@202.138.188.187] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:42 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2257.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 02:44 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2257.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 03:05 -!- FatChix0r [~your@ca-snd-ar06-ericg-237.adnc.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:18 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:40 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 03:50 -!- manimay_ [~manimay@p5080943A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 03:54 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has joined #ltsp 04:00 -!- ahpin [~ahpin@219.94.72.110] has joined #ltsp 04:03 < ahpin> whwre is the file of the backgound image kept in ltsp server? 04:03 < ahpin> anyone can help pls.. 04:05 -!- brainless [~anurag@202.149.212.198] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 04:08 -!- manimay [~manimay@pD9E63BB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:09 < ahpin> exit 04:09 -!- ahpin [~ahpin@219.94.72.110] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 04:13 -!- miko [miko@milady.u-bourgogne.fr] has joined #ltsp 04:13 < miko> Anybody there ? 04:16 -!- dida [~pc3@202.155.128.215] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4"] 04:25 -!- dida [~pc3@202.155.128.215] has joined #ltsp 04:30 -!- LLyric [~lyric@apo.fifthweb.net] has joined #ltsp 04:45 -!- FatChix0r [~your@ca-snd-ar06-ericg-237.adnc.com] has joined #ltsp 04:46 -!- LLyric [~lyric@apo.fifthweb.net] has left #ltsp [] 05:16 -!- miko [miko@milady.u-bourgogne.fr] has quit ["Fermeture du client"] 05:37 -!- momo13 [~maurice@compc32.com.univ-mrs.fr] has joined #ltsp 06:21 -!- Yngiwe [~Yngiwe@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 06:44 -!- Streamer [~Streamero@195.8.183.98] has joined #ltsp 06:44 < Streamer> Hello 06:44 < Streamer> Help 06:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 06:44 < Streamer> When my worstation boots it cant find the DHCP serve 06:44 < Streamer> Any suggestions, everything seems to be working right on the server side 06:45 < dida> is DHCP running? 06:45 < Streamer> YEp 06:45 < dida> r u sure>? 06:45 < dida> have you checked? 06:45 < Streamer> Yeah definetly 06:45 < Streamer> ps ax shows its running 06:45 < dida> tell me 06:45 < dida> the out put 06:46 < dida> ps -ax 06:46 < Streamer> k 06:46 < dida> ps -ax|grep dhcp 06:46 < Streamer> root 9795 0.0 0.4 2812 1120 ? S Jul02 0:02 /usr/sbin/dhcpd-2.2.x -q eth0 06:46 < Streamer> root 27063 0.0 0.2 1552 572 pts/0 S 12:47 0:00 grep dhcpd 06:46 < Streamer> There you go 06:47 < dida> eth0 is the same network with your client 06:47 < dida> ?? 06:47 < Streamer> Yeah 06:47 < Streamer> Yeah eth1 is the internet 06:47 < Streamer> eth2 is the internal stuff 06:47 < Streamer> eth0 is the internal stuff 06:47 * Streamer stupid fingers 06:48 < dida> have you checked 06:48 < dida> the phisical stuff? 06:48 < dida> cable etc 06:48 < Streamer> Yeah theres a network card in everything 06:49 < Yngiwe> any of you guys successfully got a sis 650 to work with ltsp? 06:49 < Streamer> Plus it all works on the same machine with windows 06:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 06:49 < dida> i haven't used it 06:49 < Streamer> Plus the DHCP server is running a mail server too which is working proving that everything is correct 06:50 < dida> may be the dhcp.conf 06:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 06:50 < dida> is all ws can't get dhcp request? 06:51 < Streamer> dida, can I pm you the conf to look at 06:51 < dida> i haven't said "ok" 06:52 < Streamer> Well you can always close the window :D 06:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 06:59 < dida> i need to se dhcp.conf 06:59 < dida> without interupt 07:00 < Streamer> ok I'll paste it into that web page 07:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:00 < dida> no 07:00 < Streamer> well where do you want it then 07:00 < Streamer> pick a place any place 07:01 < dida> that's why i asked you to chat back in this channel 07:01 < dida> understand? 07:01 < Streamer> If I paste it in here wont I get kicked for flooding 07:01 < dida> i don't ask you that 07:02 * Streamer is no rather confused 07:02 < dida> i asked you to chat in this channel, so i can see the dhcp.conf in the pv window 07:02 < Streamer> oh I gets ya 07:03 < dida> enogh 07:03 < dida> i get that already 07:03 < dida> oh god! 07:03 < Streamer> There you go 07:03 < Streamer> ok, thought you'd closed the window to get a fresh screen 07:03 < dida> i never asked you to paste again 07:04 < Streamer> i need to se dhcp.conf 07:04 < Streamer> without interupt 07:04 < Streamer> Sounds like it to me 07:04 < Streamer> Anyway, sorry just a misunderstanding 07:04 < dida> k 07:04 < dida> nevermind 07:05 -!- bbaxter [~BeansBaxt@me-bridgton1a-72.agstme.adelphia.net] has joined #ltsp 07:05 < dida> have you checked the ip address too 07:05 < dida> it should fits 07:05 < dida> according to the ws and its MAC 07:06 < Streamer> actually that ip, is taken 07:06 < Streamer> I've changed it we'll try again 07:06 < dida> ?? 07:06 < dida> ok 07:07 < Streamer> progress 07:08 < Streamer> ok 07:08 < dida> is it works? 07:08 < Streamer> Its now trying to load the kernal off the wrong machine 07:08 < Streamer> Trying to load it from the dhcp server not the ws 07:08 < dida> then change back 07:09 < Streamer> I have an idea 07:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:09 -!- pvpy [~pvpy@vcardon.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ltsp 07:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:11 < dida> u mean trying to load the kernel from dhcp server instead of LTS?? 07:11 < Streamer> Yep 07:12 < dida> what is your dhcp server IP? 07:12 < Streamer> 192.168.0.31 07:12 < Streamer> 192.168.0.32 is the LTS 07:13 < dida> then what machine for this IP 07:13 < dida> 192.168.0.254 07:13 < dida> ??? 07:14 < Streamer> Yeah I've just noticed that and changed it to 192.168.0.32 07:14 -!- pvpy [~pvpy@vcardon.net1.nerim.net] has left #ltsp [] 07:14 < dida> k, 07:14 < dida> have shot 07:14 < dida> have a shot 07:14 < Streamer> k 07:16 < Streamer> ok its still trying to load from the dhcp 07:18 < dida> is dhcp server also running DNS server? 07:18 < Streamer> Yeah 07:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:19 < dida> well,... 07:19 < dida> after several changes 07:19 < dida> can you paste your latest 07:19 < dida> dhcpd.conf 07:19 < dida> ?? 07:20 < dida> as you did before? 07:20 < Streamer> yep 07:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:21 < Streamer> There you go 07:22 < dida> can you remove section "host server2" and "host lts" 07:22 < dida> ?? 07:22 < Streamer> Yeah I'll do that for you 07:23 < dida> the purpose of DHCP server is giving the IP address 07:23 < dida> if other machines have their own static IP 07:23 < Streamer> I know there servers, and I dont want there IP's to change 07:23 < dida> yes 07:23 < dida> ok, 07:23 < dida> try again 07:24 < Streamer> k 07:24 < Streamer> Still trying 31 not 32 07:26 < dida> give comment on the line 07:26 < dida> option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.31; 07:26 < dida> and then try again 07:27 < Streamer> no change 07:28 < dida> have you restart dhcp? 07:28 < dida> r u sure? 07:28 < Streamer> yeah 07:29 < Streamer> certain 07:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:29 < Streamer> It seems to be expecting the LTSP and the DHCP to be on the same serevr 07:30 < dida> yes 07:30 < dida> but i think it shouldn't be an isue 07:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:30 < dida> because we have the option 07:30 < dida> option root-path "192.168.0.32:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 07:31 < Streamer> yeah thats what I thought 07:31 < dida> what distro r u using? 07:32 < Streamer> deb 07:32 < Streamer> ian 07:32 < Streamer> woody on a i386 07:32 < dida> my hands up 07:32 < dida> i don't have any idea 07:33 < Streamer> Seems very odd 07:33 < dida> have you checked debian note (may be)? 07:33 < dida> i don't know if there's any 07:34 < Streamer> I'll do some search's 07:34 < dida> ok 07:35 < Streamer> I'll let you know if I find the answer 07:35 < dida> k 07:35 < dida> but you might want to try 07:36 < dida> if the lts is also running dhcp service 07:36 < dida> and stop the dhcp service (current DHCP server) 07:36 < Streamer> DHCP is only running on the DHCP server 07:37 < Streamer> Oh I see install DHCP Server on LTS 07:38 < dida> yes 07:38 < dida> i'm sorry i'm not godd at explaining my ideas 07:38 < dida> so that you misunderstood 07:38 < Streamer> lol, ok I think I'm about 90% done now 07:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:39 < dida> well,... 07:39 < dida> ??? 07:40 < Streamer> No same problem, 07:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:40 < dida> have you chenged the IP address on dhcpd.conf?? 07:41 -!- nick_1 [~cs@203.130.205.100] has joined #ltsp 07:41 -!- nick_1 is now known as jagman 07:43 < Streamer> not yet 07:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:47 -!- Yngiwe [~Yngiwe@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 07:49 < dida> well,... 07:49 < dida> have you tried? 07:49 < Streamer> Wait a sec 07:49 < Streamer> Change which ip? 07:50 -!- davus [~davus@206.183.158.36] has joined #LTSP 07:54 < dida> wait 07:55 < dida> i got confuse myself 07:56 < jagman> halo 07:56 < jagman> streamer 07:56 < Streamer> yeah 07:57 < jagman> do u 've problem ? 07:57 < Streamer> yeah 07:57 < Streamer> my thinclient is trying to download the kernal from the dhcp server not the lts server 07:58 < dida> brb in 10 mins 07:58 < jagman> what thinclient do u use ? 07:58 < dida> sorry 07:58 < Streamer> Any idea's 07:58 < jagman> helo dida 07:58 < Streamer> k 07:58 < Streamer> np 07:58 < jagman> knp ? 07:58 < jagman> what is knp ? 07:58 < Streamer> k = ok, np = no problem 07:58 < jagman> o 07:58 < jagman> :) 07:58 < jagman> oic 07:59 < Streamer> soz, me being confusing :D 07:59 < jagman> do u use wyse ? 07:59 < Streamer> wyse? 07:59 < jagman> thin client = winterm wyse ? 07:59 < Streamer> Its an windows machine booting from floppy 08:00 < jagman> o ic 08:00 < jagman> u use LTSP with windows operation system ? 08:01 < Streamer> hmm, I've created a LTS Server, now I want to convert my old windows machines to clients 08:01 < Streamer> so I'm booting them off floppys to the LTS server 08:01 < Streamer> Does that make sense? 08:02 < jagman> yes sure.. but it turns your windows client to linux client ? 08:02 < Streamer> Yeah thats the idea 08:02 < jagman> ok 08:03 < jagman> and then what's the problem.. yo ma men ? 08:03 < Streamer> However on boot, its gets the Ip address then tries to download from the DHCP Server rather than LTS Server 08:03 < jagman> oo 08:03 < Streamer> Which are on differnat machines 08:03 < jagman> maybe u run 2 dhcp server in ur network 08:04 < Streamer> no theres definetly only one 08:04 < Streamer> I want to run DHCP on a differant machine to the LTS 08:04 < Streamer> to spread the load 08:05 < jagman> oo 08:06 < jagman> i think you must configure ur dhcpd.conf 08:06 < Streamer> Would you like to see my dhcpd.conf 08:06 < jagman> ok 08:06 < davus> streamer: jammcq helped me with that the other day, you need the "next-server" line, works like a charm 08:07 < davus> (sorry for butting in :-)) 08:07 < Streamer> There you go 08:07 < Streamer> could you give me an example 08:07 < Streamer> No if it works I'll give you a hug 08:07 < Streamer> ;) 08:07 < Streamer> jagman : 192.168.0.31 is my dhcp 08:07 < Streamer> jagman : 192.168.0.32 is my LTS 08:08 < davus> yeah, mine reads next-server 172.21.2.3; 08:08 < Streamer> where did you put it in the conf file? 08:08 < Streamer> is it an option? 08:08 < davus> you can put it in the beggininng if you want, i put it in a group statement with my LTSP stuff 08:09 < jagman> yeah, i do like davus 08:09 < Streamer> ok I'll try that now 08:10 < davus> thank jammcq! made my day I know that :-D 08:10 * Streamer hugs davus, That fixed that problem 08:10 < davus> lol 08:11 < Streamer> next problem looks like tftp server 08:15 -!- Yngiwe [~Yngiwe@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 08:17 -!- banan_ [~johahatl@219.80-202-211.nextgentel.com] has left #ltsp [] 08:25 -!- Yngiwe [~Yngiwe@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 09:05 -!- blackspy [~blackspy@203.131.69.75] has joined #ltsp 09:13 -!- Fizban__ [~msimons@adsl-67-121-77-81.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["leaving"] 09:13 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@200.179.165.123] has joined #ltsp 09:15 < Streamer> After changes to lts.conf 09:15 < Streamer> Do I have to restart a dameon somewhere 09:18 < dida> lts.conf 09:18 < dida> doesn't need to restart any daemon 09:19 < dida> streamer 09:19 < Streamer> k 09:19 < Streamer> cheers bug 09:19 < Streamer> bud 09:20 < dida> ok 09:23 < Streamer> dida, I found the problem earlier 09:23 < Streamer> next-server 192.168.0.32; 09:23 < Streamer> That fixed it 09:24 < dida> that's for 09:24 < dida> different DHCP server and LTS?? 09:24 < Streamer> yep 09:24 < Streamer> Apparently 09:24 < dida> but you have the same 09:25 < dida> when you run dhcpd on LTS??? 09:25 < Streamer> odd isnt it, but it fixed the problem 09:25 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-180-183.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 09:26 < dida> i suppose you hadn't stop dhcpd from the earlier DHCP server 09:27 < dida> so there were 2 machine running DHCP service 09:27 < dida> in the same network 09:27 < Streamer> no 09:28 < Streamer> theres definetly only one 09:28 < dida> i mean the last time 09:28 < dida> you were going to try 09:28 < dida> running DHCP service on LTS 09:28 < Streamer> oh, now I had that as a last resort 09:29 < Streamer> hmm no screens found 09:38 -!- manimay_ [~manimay@p5080943A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:39 < momo13> hi to all... somebody can help me? 09:39 < Streamer> whats the problem 09:40 < momo13> when i boot my LTSP client my only problem is when the LTSP client has to mount /home from the NFS server 09:40 < momo13> it replies mount 139.124.x.y:/home on /home invalid argument 09:41 < Streamer> no idea, anyone more experienced no the answer 09:41 -!- manimay [~manimay@p5080943A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 09:42 < momo13> it is strange because the first mounting phase when it mounts 139.124.x.y:/opt/ltsp/i386 on / is done correctly 09:43 < momo13> but in a second phase when trying to mount the /home from the NFS server, there is this error message "invalid argument" 09:43 < Streamer> Is NFS running? 09:45 < Streamer> http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ltsp/lts_tsguide_v2.2.html 09:45 < Streamer> Look in there see what you can find 09:48 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:48 < Streamer> Can anyone help me 09:54 < Streamer> I'm getting the error no screens found 09:54 < Streamer> no devices detected while starting X 09:56 < davus> Streamer: ewe... i've never seen that before, what kind of thin client are you on? 09:56 < davus> is it it possible you need to get one of the extra x packages on ltsp.org? 09:57 < Streamer> Just a normal windows one 09:57 < Streamer> Plausable I suppose 09:57 < Streamer> I'll have a look 09:57 < davus> we had some old machines with old video cards, had to get an additional package to make it work, i don't remember the error (or if there was one) 09:59 < Streamer> davus I fixed it by usin vesa video drivers 09:59 < davus> http://www.ltsp.org/instructions-3.0.html grey column on the left has the packages I was thinking of... but I don't know if that is your problem... pure speculation :-) 09:59 < davus> ah! excellent 10:00 < davus> so it was a driver issue? 10:00 < Streamer> Yeah 10:00 < Streamer> I thought it had an nvidia card obviously not 10:00 < Streamer> davus any experience with usb mice on them? 10:00 < davus> hmmm no, i thought i remembered seeing a post to the listserv about that though.... 10:01 < davus> someone was going to try and get it work and write i how-to or something 10:01 < davus> check in the "contrib" section on ltsp.org 10:01 < Streamer> ok cheers mate 10:02 < Streamer> I'll have a nose 10:02 < davus> cheers :-) 10:02 < Streamer> Hey this is quite impressive 10:02 < davus> LTSP? yeah, i quite agree! 10:02 < Streamer> Havent messed properly yet as the mouse doesnt work :P 10:03 < Streamer> I'll have a good mess in a second though 10:03 < davus> it's good to have a mess, best way to learn i think ;-) 10:03 < Streamer> Well if its good I may convert the whole office 10:03 < Streamer> After all they are all always moaning about there windows pc's 10:03 < Streamer> :D 10:04 < davus> now that's the kind of success story everyone likes to hear! 10:04 < Streamer> Next I need to get wine working :D 10:04 < davus> ah... good luck 10:05 < davus> its very cool, i had problems with it 10:05 < Streamer> If I can get MS Project to work on it, I will have them converted 10:05 < davus> depends on what prog you're trying port 10:05 < Streamer> The hardest 10:05 < Streamer> I need that and Macromedia Flash 10:05 < davus> a big name like that i bet works 10:05 < davus> let me know on the macromedia thing, thats the only reason i have to keep win on my laptop right now 10:06 < Streamer> Yep Same here 10:06 < Streamer> If i get it working, I can ditch my windows forever 10:06 * Streamer laughs heartedly 10:06 < davus> lol 10:06 < davus> on my office pc i have to keep win, but if you check out cygwin, you can set up a batch file to open up an XFree TS window and get the best of both worlds 10:06 < davus> quite cool actually 10:07 < Streamer> lol 10:07 < Streamer> Sounds good 10:07 < davus> of course its best to get rid of win if you can :-) i gather 10:08 < Streamer> Well it reduced piracy 10:08 < Streamer> in our office 10:08 < Streamer> ssh dont tell ms :p 10:08 < davus> *leans forward conspiratorially 10:08 < davus> same here ;-) 10:13 < Streamer> oooh 10:13 < Streamer> It works really well 10:13 < Streamer> :D 10:14 < Streamer> I need to try and clean this office up really 10:14 < Streamer> It needs better security, a new back up method system and Less Pirated Software 10:15 < Streamer> So the theory is that this will help on all fronts 10:15 < Streamer> :s 10:15 < Streamer> :D 10:16 < davus> i hear you, open source is the way to go 10:17 < davus> it's so much easier to administer a Linux box with SSH than an NT server 10:28 < Streamer> Yep 10:28 < Streamer> Just been playing on the thin client 10:28 < Streamer> Very nie 10:29 < Streamer> If I install webmin on the server too, :) The boss will be made up 10:36 < mistik1> ssh is a patron deity 10:36 -!- OOps[ [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:36 -!- OOps[ [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has joined #ltsp 10:38 < davus> what's a patron deity 10:39 < Streamer> Dunno 10:41 < mistik1> A god of applications then ;) 10:41 < davus> oic :-) 10:42 < davus> agreed 10:43 < Streamer> My Linux Network will rule the worl 10:43 < Streamer> d 10:43 < mistik1> heh 10:44 < mistik1> that's the spirit :) 10:44 < Streamer> I think the time is here 10:44 < Streamer> Shortly we will start seeing these popingt up everywhere 10:45 < mistik1> oh we are already 10:45 < mistik1> steadily for the last 3 -4 years 10:45 < Streamer> Yeah, i think its like a big dipper though, 10:46 < Streamer> the last three years we've been climing to the top, this year and next we're goping to start our decent 10:46 < mistik1> The key is introducing it to the youngsters so we dont have to convert em later in life 10:46 * Streamer congratulates himself on a nice comparison 10:47 < Streamer> I'm slowly converting all our servers to linux and improving on what we currently have 10:47 -!- dida [~pc3@202.155.128.215] has left #ltsp [] 10:47 < Streamer> Not hard considering we have nothing :oD 10:47 < Streamer> currently 11:02 -!- lanius [heino@p508E102F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 11:16 -!- Streamer [~Streamero@195.8.183.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 11:27 -!- davus [~davus@206.183.158.36] has left #LTSP [] 11:37 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 12:02 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:20 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 12:23 < pLin_io> to see in spanish http://www.uca.es/grup-invest/cit/file/prensa2.pdf 12:24 < paperclip> what is that? 12:24 * paperclip wgets 12:24 -!- momo13 [~maurice@compc32.com.univ-mrs.fr] has quit ["Fermeture du client"] 12:28 < paperclip> well.. ggv won't even open it.. sayin that it's "not a valid PostScript document" 12:29 < pLin_io> paperclip: it's an interesting experiencie in Cadiz, Spain, at 2002 12:29 < paperclip> oh.. 12:30 < pLin_io> recicling old pcs,, and include tv, radio, press and internets news 12:30 < pLin_io> about it 12:30 < paperclip> hmm 12:30 < paperclip> how did you make that pdf? 12:31 < pLin_io> nop,, i din't it,, i found it 12:32 < pLin_io> but i can read it fine,,, with kgostview or acroread 12:32 < paperclip> oh 12:32 < paperclip> ggv doesn't like it.. 12:33 < pLin_io> mmmm 2,7 Mb 12:33 < paperclip> i guess i'll have to take your word for it.. 12:34 < pLin_io> anyway you can visit http://www.uca.es/grup-invest/cit/ 12:34 < paperclip> ok 12:34 < pLin_io> if you understand spanish 12:35 < paperclip> heh.. "el m?s potente y perfecto sistema operativo que existe" 12:35 < paperclip> y perfecto 12:35 < paperclip> right 12:36 < pLin_io> hehehehe 12:39 < pLin_io> paperclip: anyway my personal stuff with ltsp is http://www.hispalinux.net/casos.html?id=24 12:39 -!- pantz [~pantz@modemcable080.161-131-66.nowhere.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ltsp 12:39 < paperclip> cool 12:42 < pLin_io> paperclip: how look like that ? 12:43 < paperclip> how does your site look? 12:43 < pLin_io> sorry,, i meah that news,, 12:43 < pLin_io> i mena 12:43 < pLin_io> i mean 12:44 < pLin_io> i'm asking about the experience... 12:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 12:44 < paperclip> oh.. it looks good.. i got sidetracked on the "que es linux" stuff 12:48 < pLin_io> well,,, the link "dossier de prensa" (in the press) is the document i referred before 12:48 < paperclip> yes 12:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 12:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 12:53 < pLin_io> well,, have to go,, c u later 12:53 < paperclip> bye 12:54 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 12:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:02 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: g-paiva 13:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:37 -!- manimay [~manimay@p5080943A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:48 -!- lanius [heino@p508E102F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 13:59 -!- pos [~pos@209-193-29-66-cdsl-rb1.fai.acsalaska.net] has joined #ltsp 14:23 -!- CYMBLOT`s [~boeta_man@202.155.128.215] has joined #ltsp 14:25 -!- CYMBLOT`s [~boeta_man@202.155.128.215] has quit [Client Quit] 14:30 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has joined #LTSP 14:33 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 14:47 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 15:23 -!- rjune [~rjune@12-215-102-41.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ltsp 15:25 < rjune> 'lo all 15:32 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["now going out ..."] 15:33 -!- rjune [~rjune@12-215-102-41.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4"] 15:58 -!- overflow [overflow@snjras1-210.ras.snj.cantv.net] has joined #ltsp 15:59 < overflow> Hi all, Im using ltsp, It start great but when its load Xserver don't show any WindowManager 16:00 < overflow> how can I load Gnome o WindowMaker for example? 16:00 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-180-183.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:08 -!- manimay [~manimay@pD9E63F11.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 16:13 -!- jagman [~cs@203.130.205.100] has quit [] 16:24 * HiltonT is back (gone 15:37:40) 16:26 < overflow> HiltonT: Hi, Do you know something about what's happening with my terminal? 16:27 < HiltonT> quite probably not - I need to play more with LTSP before I'd be of any use helping anyone :) 16:28 < jammcq> overflow: if it doesn't show a window mgr, what does it show ? 16:28 < overflow> jammcq: just XServer screen 16:28 < jammcq> what's on the screen ? 16:29 < overflow> and [X] mouse cursor 16:29 < overflow> *pointer 16:29 < jammcq> well then, why don't you have a look at this document: http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/gray_screen.html 16:30 < overflow> thanks 16:39 -!- overflow [overflow@snjras1-210.ras.snj.cantv.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:40 < Zaw> jammcq: have you ever had anyone use the Jammin 125 as a straight thin client running everything locally, like netstation or thinstation or diet-pc? 16:40 < Zaw> http://thinstation.sourceforge.net 16:40 < jammcq> nope 16:40 < jammcq> I think pretty much everyone uses them with ltsp 16:40 < Zaw> ok, figured it couldn't hurt to ask so i didn't try to re-invent the wheel :) 16:41 < Zaw> once i get this working, i'm going to order 15 of them 16:48 < Zaw> here's the error message i'm getting in detail if anyone knows etherboot fairly well and has possibly seen this message before: http://subneural.net/~zaw/jammin125.txt 16:48 < Zaw> Not enough memory 16:48 < Zaw> 16:49 < jammcq> looks like you are using a really old version of mknbi 16:49 < Zaw> it almost seems like it loads the image and then tries to reload it for whatever reason 16:49 < Zaw> hmm, yeah that is old.. 16:49 < Zaw> let me try updating in in the thinstation tree and see if it makes a difference 16:49 < jammcq> yeah, actually, there are 2 different branches of that program. the one Gero maintains, and the one Ken Yap maintains 16:50 < jammcq> you want ken's version 16:50 < jammcq> he's up to 1.4 I think 16:50 < jammcq> i'll bet that takes care of your problem 16:51 < mistik1> hello troopers 16:51 < jammcq> hey mistik1 16:51 < mistik1> happy 4th to you all 16:51 < jammcq> :) 16:51 < jammcq> did you know that they don't have 4th of july in canada ? 16:51 < mistik1> yes 16:51 < mistik1> Its July 1st 16:51 < jammcq> their calendar goes right from the 3rd to the 5th :) 16:51 < mistik1> Canada day 16:52 < jammcq> :) 16:52 < jammcq> here in detroit, we have the International Freedom Festival, which is a celebration of both July 1st and 4th, with our neighbors in Windsor 16:52 < mistik1> They sure love the detroit july 4th celeb though 16:52 < mistik1> I know :) 16:53 < jammcq> yeah the 4th is a big deal around here 16:53 < mistik1> I remember comming to winsor to experience it one year 16:53 < mistik1> Windsor even 16:53 < mistik1> hey 16:53 < mistik1> I got a job yesterday 16:53 < jammcq> yeah ? 16:54 < jammcq> what kind of job ? 16:54 < mistik1> Construction 16:54 < jammcq> whoa 16:54 < mistik1> These guys that purchased the house two doors down from me 16:54 < mistik1> They're realtors 16:55 < mistik1> I made it known that I was looking for work and invited them into my home 16:55 < mistik1> You see that house is a mirror of mine 16:55 < jammcq> cool. we built our house about 8 years ago. you wanna know what my favorite part was ? 16:55 < mistik1> what's that? 16:55 < jammcq> driving the bobcat :) 16:55 < mistik1> lol 16:55 < mistik1> yea, them things are fun 16:55 < jammcq> I rented it for a day to move 90 yds of dirt 16:55 < jammcq> had a blast 16:55 < mistik1> heh 16:55 < jammcq> very bouncy tho 16:55 < mistik1> yea 16:56 < mistik1> I used them a lot with all sorts of attachments 16:56 < jammcq> yeah, they're like a swiss army knife 16:56 < mistik1> Last time I used one was with a drill 16:56 < mistik1> digging post holes et al 16:57 < mistik1> that attachment is a riot, trust me 16:57 < mistik1> This guy may pay me enough to keep me satisfied for a while 16:57 < mistik1> I started him at $1000 per week and he's very agreeable 16:58 < jammcq> sweet 16:58 < mistik1> says he start me next week 16:59 < mistik1> but he will work on my shedule so I can still continue to work with the other guy i'm working for now 17:00 < mistik1> Carpentry is very much like programming or other computer related work in one respect 17:00 < mistik1> You work speaks for itself. 17:00 < mistik1> s/You/Your/ 17:04 -!- xultz [~xultz@200.146.65.226.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ltsp 17:04 < xultz> hello folks!!!!! 17:05 * xultz telling from Brazil 17:05 < jammcq> hello xultz 17:06 < xultz> How are you Jam? I heard you was here, in Porto Alegre, is it truth? 17:06 < jammcq> yeah, about 4 weeks ago 17:06 < jammcq> I was there 17:06 < xultz> You was only on Porto Alegre? 17:07 < jammcq> well, I was at the Sao Paulo airport for a couple hours too :) 17:07 < xultz> (sorry about my poor english) 17:07 < mistik1> sound good to me 17:07 < Zaw> jammcq: you're the man, thanks! 17:07 < jammcq> your english is better than my portuguese 17:07 < Zaw> got the image loading at least, now 17:07 < jammcq> Zaw: it workie ? 17:07 < xultz> did you learn some words at portuguese? 17:07 < Zaw> still have to tweak other things like the video and such, but yeah 17:09 < mistik1> jammcq: good news 17:09 < mistik1> jammcq: wget http://www.crash-override.net/patches/lpp-2420.patch.bz2 17:09 < mistik1> LPP 2.4.20 17:11 < mistik1> what your most current kernel release Jim? 17:12 < jammcq> 2.4.21 :) 17:12 < mistik1> ack! 17:12 < mistik1> always a day too late, eh? 17:12 < mistik1> well lemme see if it will patch over that version 17:16 < xultz> do you gonna apply the lpp over the kernel 2.4.21? that would be very nice! 17:17 < xultz> the 2.4.21 saved my day today :D 17:17 < xultz> I installed a via nic and the 2.4.21 supports it (the 2.4.18 didnt) 17:21 < xultz> whats the options to have sound on the terminals? esd and nasd? whats the best choice? 17:21 < jammcq> they both work. it usually depends on your hardware 17:21 < jammcq> i've seen some cases where only esd works 17:21 < jammcq> and others where only nasd works 17:21 < jammcq> so, try it 17:23 < xultz> I used ESD on my server some time ago, so all terminals could play sounds on the server together (without any permissions problems) but ESD was buggy, heavy, and stuff, and today I dont use it anymore. In this point of view, is NASD a better choice? 17:23 < xultz> and arts does not have network support? 17:23 < jammcq> right 17:24 < jammcq> you'd have to try nasd to see if it works for you 17:25 < xultz> using NASD, how the user uses XMMS, for an example? He must configure the NASD plugin pointing to the terminal he is using? 17:28 < mistik1> He need only select the plugin 17:28 < mistik1> no config is needed 17:29 < xultz> And when Im using the server machine, I must switch the plugin to OSS or it can run in the localhost? 17:30 < mistik1> I have seen the NASD work while using the OSS plugin in xmms 17:31 < mistik1> since its all wraped by the libaudiooss in the LD_PRELOAD 17:38 < xultz> well, thanx a lot for the informations, but I have to go now 17:38 < xultz> good night to everybody! 17:39 -!- xultz [~xultz@200.146.65.226.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:16 -!- deco [~c8115922@reladm.kharkov.net] has joined #ltsp 18:18 -!- deco [~c8115922@reladm.kharkov.net] has left #ltsp [] 18:23 < mistik1> jammcq: the .20 LPP patch applied cleanly over .21 ;-) 18:23 < mistik1> Hunk #2 succeeded at 735 (offset 84 lines). 18:23 < jammcq> mistik1 rocks :) 18:23 < mistik1> Hunk #2 succeeded at 907 (offset 17 lines). 18:24 < mistik1> woot 18:24 < mistik1> lpp is back in LTSP!! 18:24 < jammcq> well, not so fast :) 18:25 < mistik1> haha 18:25 < jammcq> i need to build the package with that patch, and it aint gonna happen soon. i'm heading out sunday morning for portland oregon, to attend the O'Reilly conference and visit with my buddy eharrison 18:26 < mistik1> want I to build for you now? 18:37 < mistik1> http://music.geeksinthehood.net:81/~mistik1/lpp-2421.patch.bz2 18:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 18:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 18:49 < Zaw> man i just can't get this jammin 125 to work as a stand-alone thin client :( 18:49 < Zaw> i *really* don't want to have to start looking at other hardware 18:50 < jammcq> what's the problem now ? 18:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 18:51 < Zaw> just can't get the video to work in anything but 640x480 18:51 < jammcq> which Xserver are you using ? 18:51 < Zaw> using the svga driver in xfree86 4 18:51 < jammcq> nope 18:51 < jammcq> can't do that 18:51 < jammcq> gotta be the 'geode' driver 18:52 < Zaw> yeah, i tried replacing the svga driver with the 5530 driver on the ltsp download page but it won't work at all when i do that 18:52 -!- overflow [overflow@snjras1-154.ras.snj.cantv.net] has joined #ltsp 18:52 < overflow> Hi, How can I change X Keyboard Layout configuration ??? 18:52 < jammcq> that 5530 driver is a 3.3.6 driver 18:52 < Zaw> ok 18:53 < jammcq> overflow: there's some docs on the ltsp contrib site for spanish kbd 18:53 < jammcq> that' gives most of the info you need 18:53 < overflow> thanks 18:53 < jammcq> overflow: BUT, make sure you run: ldconfig -r /opt/ltsp/i386 18:54 < Zaw> there's a cyrix chipset option in the Thinstation project but it doesn't seem to work either 18:54 < jammcq> yeah, 'cyrix' is the one you want 18:54 < jammcq> what happens when you try ? 18:55 < Zaw> Xvesa: unknown operand 18:55 < jammcq> umm, not with 'cyrix' it won't 18:56 < jammcq> take the 'cyrix' driver from ltsp-3 18:56 < jammcq> from the ltsp_x_core pkg 18:56 < Zaw> oh wait, i forgot that i copied the 5530 one from the ltsp overtop of the cyrix one, one sec 18:58 < jammcq> keep in mind that 5530 is an Xserver while 'cyrix' is a driver module 18:58 < jammcq> they are NOT interchangeable 18:59 < jammcq> with 'cyrix', you need to use 'XFree86' as your Xserver 18:59 < Zaw> i get it working with the 'cyrix' driver with xf4, but only in 640x480 mode 19:00 < jammcq> ok, what happens when you try 1024x768 ? 19:00 < Zaw> it goes into 640x480 mode 19:00 < jammcq> you are doing something wrong 19:00 < jammcq> it won't automatically do that, unless you supply modes for that resolution 19:00 < Zaw> ok hold on. 19:01 < jammcq> ok, can you get an xterm into your server ? 19:02 < Zaw> it was using the 'apm' driver and going into 640x480 mode. with just the 'cyrix' driver i get a black screen with some blue bars up at the top, then it goes black and i get a black screen with a large (640x480) X and nothing else 19:02 < jammcq> ok, where did you get the 'cyrix' driver ? 19:02 < Zaw> it's the one from the Thinstation tarball 19:02 < jammcq> ok, use mine, I know for sure it works 19:02 < Zaw> do you have one for ltsp that uses the xfree86 4.x server? 19:02 < jammcq> ye 19:02 < jammcq> yes 19:03 < Zaw> ok, let me go grab it 19:03 < jammcq> it's in the ltsp_x_core pkg 19:03 -!- guugmember [~nramos@remote206-235.gua.net] has joined #ltsp 19:03 < guugmember> I have to write down an article about diskless computers to CEO's 19:03 < guugmember> any suggestion? 19:04 < jammcq> yeah, start writing 19:04 < guugmember> about saving $$ and reducing backus 19:04 < jammcq> :) 19:04 < guugmember> jammcq: jeje 19:04 < guugmember> jammcq: dont you know one to start from? 19:04 < jammcq> go to http://www.ltsp.org 19:04 < guugmember> grrrr 19:04 < jammcq> and click on the 'articles and presentations' link on the left side of the screen 19:06 < guugmember> thnx 19:08 < overflow> jammcq: sorry, but I cant find info about keyboard layout on contrib .... 19:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:09 < jammcq> sorry, it's on the 'documentation' page. Look at this: http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/keyboards.txt 19:09 < jammcq> it's a bit old, but still has some good info 19:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:10 < overflow> thanks 19:17 < Zaw> bleh, still no luck. 19:17 * Zaw sighs 19:17 < jammcq> ok, what now ? 19:17 < mistik1> what is Thinstation? 19:17 < Zaw> i get the Xvesa: unknown operand error now 19:17 < Zaw> http://thinstation.sourceforge.net 19:18 < jammcq> Zaw: instead of saying things like 'no luck' or still the same', yu will get much better help from me if you spit out the problem as quickly as possible 19:18 < Zaw> Starting X Server 19:18 < Zaw> :0: No such file or directory 19:18 < jammcq> but you aren't running Xvesa 19:18 < Zaw> i know 19:18 < jammcq> or shouldn't be 19:18 < jammcq> so, there's somethnig wrong with the way the Xserver is getting launched 19:19 < jammcq> so, check your startup scripts, and include some 'echo' statements along the way, to track what it is doing 19:19 < Zaw> k 19:20 -!- senfo [~sean@68.170.76.154] has joined #ltsp 19:22 < Zaw> i took the ltsp_x_core/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/cyrix_drv.o and copied it over the cyrix_drv.o from Thinstation, that's what you had in mind by 'use your cyrix driver' right? 19:22 < jammcq> yes, but I don't belive you are running XFree86, you are instead running Xvesa 19:22 < Zaw> ok 19:22 < jammcq> Xvesa is an Xserver 19:22 < jammcq> so is XFree86 19:23 < Zaw> i see 19:23 < jammcq> XFree86 is a modular Xserver, with driver modules, like 'cyrix' and 'ati'. Xvesa is a stripped down Xserver that doesn't load modules 19:23 < jammcq> Xvesa is part of the TinyX package 19:24 < jammcq> err, actually the 'Kdrive' package. 19:24 -!- overflow [overflow@snjras1-154.ras.snj.cantv.net] has quit ["Kernel Panic"] 19:26 < guugmember> is thinstation like ltsp? 19:27 < mistik1> no offense but I say just use ltsp 19:27 < guugmember> ok 19:27 < Zaw> ok. so it looks as if my problem has been all along that the people making Thinstation are using the Xvesa xserver instead of the Xfree86 one. 19:27 < jammcq> yep, that's one of the problems with thinstation 19:27 < Zaw> ltsp is great, but i need to use something like thinstation for this project 19:27 < jammcq> i'm remembering now, that it only supports hardware that works with the Xvesa xserver 19:28 < jammcq> so, modify it to use XFree86 19:28 < jammcq> you'll need an XF86Config file 19:28 < mistik1> I'm much too biased these days =P 19:28 < Zaw> the funny thing is that it *says* it's using the xfree86 4.2 server, and you can use 'packages' for different drivers, like the cyrix one. apparantly that's not the case, though. 19:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:29 < jammcq> well, maybe there is an option to make it use XFree86 19:29 < jammcq> robbie: hey, you around ? You gotta do something with DrEvil, he's been sick lately. Keeps dying 19:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:30 < Zaw> there's supposed to be, you can change it in the 'build.conf' file, it just doesn't work 19:30 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.147.96] has joined #ltsp 19:31 < jammcq> well, it prolly works for somone 19:31 < jammcq> figure it out 19:31 < senfo> can I ask a question about an etherboot bootprom here? 19:31 < jammcq> can't be that tough, eh ? 19:31 * Zaw takes the xfree86 4 server from ltsp and tries it instead 19:31 < jammcq> senfo: sure 19:31 < guugmember> can thinstation boot windows systems? 19:31 -!- M_STRanger [~gg@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 19:32 < senfo> I'm a total newbie to this stuff (IRC included) do I need to proram the prom or is there a generic prom for my network card? 19:32 < Zaw> guugmember: that's the whole point of my using it for this project, it doesn't actually 'boot' windows, but it boots a small linux kernel and immediately establishes an rdesktop session to a win2k terminal server. the end user only sees a win2k terminal server login when he boots his/her thin client. 19:32 < jammcq> senfo: you'll need the one specifically for your NIC 19:32 < M_STRanger> hi 19:32 < jammcq> hey M_STRanger 19:32 < senfo> but not programming then? 19:32 < M_STRanger> is any one know how to setup dhcp 19:33 < senfo> BTW, how are you whispering? 19:33 < jammcq> who's whispering ? 19:33 < jammcq> M_STRanger: well, most of us here setup dhcp all the time 19:34 < senfo> aren't you to me? 19:34 < jammcq> hmm, no 19:34 < senfo> oh, i guess X-Chat highlights your name when it sees my name 19:34 < jammcq> yeah 19:34 < jammcq> to get your attention 19:34 < senfo> that's smart 19:36 < kungfuftr> morning all 19:36 < guugmember> Zaw: so the end user can launch winblows 2k without a disk 19:36 < kungfuftr> how goes it jim? 19:36 < senfo> jammcq: So I don't need to worry about programming the prom then? 19:36 < guugmember> Zaw: that is great 19:36 < jammcq> senfo: huh ? You can boot from a floppy if you want, but you DO need the etherboot driver that supports your nic 19:37 < jammcq> senfo: whether you program that into an eprom, or load it on a floppy is up to you 19:37 < senfo> jammcq: so I guess there is nothing but a generic boot loader in the proms then...ok, I think I get it now 19:37 < jammcq> no 19:38 < jammcq> etherboot IS a bootloader, and there are many different etherboot drivers. 19:38 < jammcq> you MUST pick the right one for your NIC 19:38 < M_STRanger> do u require add pkg from ltsp for dhcp setup 19:38 < jammcq> there is no GENERIC driver 19:38 < senfo> no, I know what you mean 19:38 < jammcq> M_STRanger: 'add pkg' ? 19:38 < senfo> I have the one for my card already 19:39 < senfo> so from that aspect, it's generic because it would work with ltsp, Windows 2000 remote installation services, etc. 19:39 < jammcq> well, again, no 19:39 < jammcq> well, sort of 19:39 < Zaw> guugmember: yeah, it's pretty slick 19:39 < jammcq> I know it will work with Linux/LTSP, but I don't know about w2k 19:40 < senfo> well, that's ok, I don't really need W2k anyhow, just referencing...but hey, thanks for your help 19:40 < Zaw> you eliminate desktop OS licensing costs, as well as centralize your administration of the desktops and reduce hardware failures on the workstations 19:40 < guugmember> Zaw: slick? what is that? me bad english 19:40 < Zaw> slick = very impressive :) 19:40 < M_STRanger> shall i uninstall redhat linux dhcp for that 19:40 < jammcq> no 19:41 < jammcq> dhcp doesn't come with LTSP, you use whatever dhcpd you have on the server 19:41 -!- pos [~pos@209-193-29-66-cdsl-rb1.fai.acsalaska.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:41 < guugmember> Zaw: wow 19:42 < M_STRanger> its there in add pkg 19:42 < jammcq> M_STRanger: what is ? 19:42 < M_STRanger> so u dont requre add pkg from ltsp for dhcp 19:42 < guugmember> Zaw: and how thinstation had been working for you ? 19:42 < jammcq> no 19:43 < M_STRanger> which is best ethernet card is recommand for ltsp 19:43 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> any idea if there is anything for setting up an ltsp style thing on freebsd? 19:44 < jammcq> M_STRanger: well, hard to say. I have had great success with the Linksys LNE100TX v5.1 cards 19:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:44 < jammcq> kungfuftr: nothing I know of, but if you want to boot your terminals using a Linux kernel, you should be able to get LTSP installed on a freebsd box 19:44 -!- pos [~pos@209-193-29-66-cdsl-rb1.fai.acsalaska.net] has joined #ltsp 19:45 < M_STRanger> thanks 19:46 < senfo> is there any link which explains all of the packages? I'm not exactly sure what all I need to download 19:46 < jammcq> yeah, start with http://www.ltsp.org/instructions-3.0.html 19:46 < senfo> I think I know from reading the documentation but I'm not 100% sure 19:46 < senfo> thanks 19:47 < senfo> jammcq: thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for 19:47 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> aye /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base should be of some assistance 19:48 < jammcq> kungfuftr: what is that ? 19:49 < M_STRanger> total how many pkg to install to functional of ltsp with clients with floppy 19:49 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> linux emulation under freebsd... you can just chroot() and run a seperate linux system on your freebsd box. 19:49 < jammcq> kungfuftr: ok, but for installing ltsp, you don't need that 19:50 < jammcq> the client would run a linux kernel and xfree86 19:50 < jammcq> then log into the server and run freebsd programs 19:50 < jammcq> M_STRanger: dunno, I don't use local floppy 19:50 < jammcq> my thin clients don't have any local media 19:51 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> true... however would be nice for running linux_base-debian and then just using the ltsp debian packages 19:51 < kungfuftr> =0) 19:51 < M_STRanger> how do i setup remoteboot 19:51 < jammcq> kungfuftr: BUT, ltsp doesn't execute on the server 19:52 < jammcq> the server is nothing more than an NFS/DHCP/TFTP/XDMCP server 19:52 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> yeah, still need to run xfree86 on the server though 19:52 < jammcq> no 19:52 < kungfuftr> oh... purdy 19:52 < jammcq> the xserver runs on the client 19:52 < jammcq> the client reads the Xserver via NFS 19:52 < jammcq> and runs in the cpu of the client 19:52 < kungfuftr> i wasn't paying enough attention... soz! 19:52 < jammcq> then, it uses xdmcp to get a login prompt from the server 19:53 < mistik1> from that point BSD away 19:53 < jammcq> you would run your apps on the server, displayed on the client 19:53 < M_STRanger> how do i setup nfs 19:53 < Zaw> ok. i think if i can just make the proper XF86Config file and use the ltsp XFree86 4.x xserver, i can get it working. 19:54 < kungfuftr> i'll have a play about at some point... gotta get VPN setup first 19:54 < jammcq> Zaw: well, you are getting somewhere now :) 19:54 < mistik1> M_STRanger: you will have to do some reading 19:54 < M_STRanger> i setup ltsp with help still i have problem 19:55 < mistik1> then explain your problem 19:55 < M_STRanger> i cant see nfs running 19:56 < M_STRanger> i started as service 19:56 < jammcq> do you have an /etc/exports file ? 19:56 < mistik1> type exportfs 19:56 < M_STRanger> ya 19:57 < M_STRanger> alreday 19:57 -!- senfo [~sean@68.170.76.154] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 19:58 < M_STRanger> how do i check that dhcp is start properly 19:58 < jammcq> M_STRanger: well, several ways. try this: netstat -an | grep ":67 " 19:59 < M_STRanger> ic 19:59 < M_STRanger> its not showing dhcp 19:59 < M_STRanger> i try ps also 19:59 < jammcq> does it show anything ? 19:59 < M_STRanger> nothing 19:59 < jammcq> ok, do you have a /etc/dhcpd.conf file ? 20:00 < M_STRanger> no i have to check that i am on windows m/c now 20:00 < jammcq> what ? 20:01 < mistik1> ^_o 20:01 -!- guugmember [~nramos@remote206-235.gua.net] has left #ltsp ["Aplicación Saliendo"] 20:02 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.147.96] has quit [] 20:02 < M_STRanger> ya 20:02 < M_STRanger> does mirc work with linux 20:03 < jammcq> dunno, I don't use mirc 20:03 < M_STRanger> ic 20:03 < M_STRanger> which pkg u r using 20:03 < jammcq> BitchX 20:04 < M_STRanger> is it come with redhat linux ver 8b 20:04 < M_STRanger> 8 20:04 < M_STRanger> not 8b 20:04 < mistik1> xchat does 20:04 < jammcq> nope, I had to download the source and install it 20:04 < M_STRanger> ic 20:04 < mistik1> as does ksirc 20:04 < M_STRanger> xchat is work with mirc ? 20:05 < mistik1> why should it 20:05 < mistik1> mirc is a program nothing more 20:05 < mistik1> IRC is a protocol 20:05 < M_STRanger> its not like yahoo,msn 20:05 < M_STRanger> oo thanks 20:05 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> don't suppose you know much about the internals of Xfree86 (ie what the DM and WM actually do)? 20:05 < M_STRanger> i dont know that 20:05 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit ["The Moon Will Rise Again"] 20:05 < mistik1> mIRC has nothing to do with it other than it support the protocol 20:06 -!- dida [~pc3@202.155.128.215] has joined #ltsp 20:06 < M_STRanger> ic 20:06 < jammcq> kungfuftr: the DM (Display Manager) is what gives you a login prompt 20:06 < M_STRanger> this is my first time chatting on mirc pls forgive me 20:06 < jammcq> kungfuftr: the WM (Window Manager) is what gives you a desktop, with windows that have title-bars and borders, and allows you to resize and move the windows 20:06 < kungfuftr> yeah, however i actually mean the internals... 20:07 < M_STRanger> for my stupid qua, 20:07 < jammcq> kungfuftr: well, what do you want to know. internals covers an awful lot of ground 20:07 < dida> hi all 20:07 < jammcq> hey dida 20:07 < dida> i'd like to ask OT 20:07 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> internals as in the code itself (ie: i'm starting on XEDE) 20:07 < dida> can i? 20:08 < dida> later after your discussion 20:08 < jammcq> dida: sure, you wouldn't be the first one to go off-topic around here today 20:08 < dida> :) 20:08 < mistik1> kungfuftr: that's a nobrainer 20:08 < jammcq> kungfuftr: i'm not familiar with XEDE 20:08 < mistik1> go download the sourcecode and start reading 20:08 < kungfuftr> my last question is somewhat OT (well, related) 20:08 < dida> is it possible to install wine without root access?? 20:08 < M_STRanger> ltsp which version pkg to be install for redhat 8 20:08 < kungfuftr> mistik1-> http://xede.org 20:08 < jammcq> dida: hmm, dunno. I'd guess probably not, cuz I think it requires a kernel module, doesn't it ? 20:09 < dida> yeah 20:09 < dida> thx jammcq 20:09 < kungfuftr> wine _should_ be able to run under normal user... however win4lin is pretty nice 20:09 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 20:10 < kungfuftr> mistik1-> it's in terms of the Xlib stuff in the main i suppose 20:10 < M_STRanger> what is pre-requestie to install ltsp on redhat 8 i mean whcih services has to fuctnal of network 20:11 < jammcq> M_STRanger: well, you need dhcp, tftp, nfs and xdmcp 20:11 < M_STRanger> what is xdmcp 20:11 < jammcq> that's the DM 20:11 < M_STRanger> is tftp and pxe is differant 20:11 < jammcq> the protocol that the display manager uses, to give you a login session 20:11 < jammcq> umm, yes 20:11 < M_STRanger> ic 20:11 < M_STRanger> thanks 20:12 < jammcq> pxe is a bootrom technology. similar to etherboot 20:12 < jammcq> tftp is a file download protocol 20:12 < M_STRanger> which shold be install pxe or tftp 20:13 < jammcq> well, seeing as you HAVE TO HAVE tftp, i'd say that is the one you want 20:13 < M_STRanger> ic 20:14 < jammcq> M_STRanger: go read this doc, especially the 'Theory of operation' http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.pdf 20:14 < M_STRanger> is xdmcp is rpm file or its build in with other pkg 20:14 < jammcq> it's part of x 20:14 < M_STRanger> ic 20:15 < M_STRanger> i am working for cybercafe is ltsp will help me i want to replace my all windows m/c with ltsp is it possible 20:16 < jammcq> hmm, you should talk to carlos about that. he's using LTSP at a cyber cafe 20:16 < jammcq> he's usually here 20:17 < M_STRanger> ic 20:17 < M_STRanger> do u have is email id 20:18 < M_STRanger> ok 20:18 < M_STRanger> any other person using ltsp for cafe 20:19 < paperclip> M_STRanger: i'd like to do that.. 20:19 < paperclip> it'd be nice to have a mailing list for such a thing.. 20:20 < M_STRanger> o sorry 20:21 < M_STRanger> is any one using ltsp with rdesktop 20:21 < M_STRanger> so i can run my windows application from windows 20:22 < M_STRanger> windows server i mean 20:23 < paperclip> i don't plan on it.. 20:23 < paperclip> tho there is a company in indonesia doing that.. 20:23 < kungfuftr> M_STRanger-> have a look at crossover or win4lin 20:23 < paperclip> wlisystems.. 20:23 < M_STRanger> no 20:24 < paperclip> i plan on avoiding licensing issues by using linux/bsd only 20:24 < M_STRanger> what is site address for win4lin 20:26 < kungfuftr> http://www.google.com 20:26 < M_STRanger> how do i create a boot rom /bootimage for ethernet card 20:28 < paperclip> rom-o-matic.net 20:29 < M_STRanger> ic 20:30 < M_STRanger> can i use all appliction of redhat 8 with ltsp 20:31 < paperclip> i don't know.. i use gentoo 20:31 < M_STRanger> is gentoo support all applications 20:32 < paperclip> well 20:33 < M_STRanger> i heard of gentoo but nver tried 20:34 < M_STRanger> ok 20:34 < M_STRanger> bye 20:34 < paperclip> bye 20:34 < M_STRanger> sorry for trobule 20:34 < kungfuftr> gentoo is to linux, what ports is to freebsd 20:34 < kungfuftr> sorta 20:35 -!- bintut [~bintut@202.8.246.186] has joined #ltsp 20:35 < jammcq> no, emerge is to linux, what ports is to freebsd 20:35 < jammcq> or what do they call it 'portage' ? 20:35 * bintut waves to jammcq.. 20:35 < jammcq> hello bintut 20:35 < bintut> hello jammcq :) 20:36 -!- M_STRanger [~gg@210.212.169.2] has quit [] 20:36 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> true... it's 3am here... =0) 20:37 -!- yasd [~ttt@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 20:37 -!- yasd [~ttt@210.212.169.2] has quit [Client Quit] 20:38 < paperclip> yes.. portage 20:52 * blackspy waves to everyone 20:52 < blackspy> hey jammcq, managed to work with nvidia nic on ltsp. all i needed was to put the nvidia to niclist 20:53 < blackspy> jammcq: can you suggest new motherboards ( builtin video, lan and soundcard ) that's fully compatible with ltsp? 20:53 * bintut waves to blackspy 20:53 < bintut> blackspy: so you're here, ha? :) 20:54 < bintut> blackspy: any mobos will do, imho as long as it is supported with linux.. 20:54 < paperclip> it would be nice to have a board that did some local opengl stuff for games.. 20:58 < kungfuftr> openbrick 20:59 < paperclip> opengl? 20:59 < paperclip> i was thinking nforce2 21:00 < paperclip> or even via nehemiah 1ghz and a cheap pci nvidia card 21:06 -!- davus [~davus@208.133.220.215] has joined #LTSP 21:46 -!- dida [~pc3@202.155.128.215] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:47 < bintut> brb 21:47 -!- bintut [~bintut@202.8.246.186] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 21:48 -!- jagman [~teknisi@203.130.205.100] has joined #ltsp 21:49 -!- jagman [~teknisi@203.130.205.100] has quit [Client Quit] 22:00 -!- fzuluaga [~fzuluaga@200.71.50.32] has joined #ltsp 22:00 -!- fzuluaga [~fzuluaga@200.71.50.32] has quit [Client Quit] 22:05 -!- BGAllie_ [~chatzilla@s53-35-162.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ltsp 22:05 < jammcq> hey billy 22:05 < BGAllie_> Hi Jim, hows it going? 22:05 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:05 < jammcq> going good, what's new with you ? 22:06 < BGAllie_> Been VERY busy the last week getting InstallShield to do what we needed it to do. 22:06 < jammcq> ooh, fun 22:06 < jammcq> hey, guess where i'm going next week ... 22:06 < BGAllie_> Not really :-( 22:07 < jammcq> I'm going to the Perl conference, doesn't that make you jealous ? 22:07 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 22:07 < BGAllie_> Perl ... no, but if it was the Python conference .... 22:08 < mistik1> lol 22:08 < BGAllie_> :-0 22:08 < jammcq> well, they will be doing some Python sessions too 22:08 < jammcq> it's the O'Reilly OSCON 22:08 < BGAllie_> Ahhh ... will you be presenting? 22:08 < jammcq> nope, just attending this time 22:08 < jammcq> no pressure at all 22:09 < BGAllie_> Good. Have a great trip! 22:09 < jammcq> thanks 22:09 < mistik1> jammcq: You do realize how excited i am to have lpp back? 22:09 < jammcq> hey, can you send out the MUG announcement ? 22:09 -!- BGAllie_ is now known as BGAllie 22:09 < jammcq> the text is basically on the mug site 22:09 < jammcq> prolly should be updated just a bit 22:10 < jammcq> mistik1: why the big excitement ? 22:10 < mistik1> cause I missed it 22:10 < BGAllie> Yes, I'll send it out tomorrow (I need to get some sleep tonite, It's been a LONG week). 22:10 < jammcq> I found lpp to be a pain in the butt, cuz newbies were always using it, and missing the kernel startup errors 22:10 < mistik1> clients love it 22:12 < BGAllie> Good night all. 22:12 < BGAllie> TTFN 22:12 < jammcq> see uya 22:13 -!- BGAllie [~chatzilla@s53-35-162.try.wideopenwest.com] has left #ltsp [] 22:13 * Zaw listens to fireworks going off 22:15 -!- yasd [~ttt@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 22:16 < yasd> is any one know how to setup tftp 22:17 < jammcq> sure, install it and enable it 22:17 < yasd> that all 22:17 < jammcq> well, are you having trouble ? 22:17 < yasd> u dont have to confiure any thing 22:17 < yasd> ya 22:17 < jammcq> what's the problem ? 22:17 < yasd> new to ltsp 22:18 < yasd> how to setup tftp server and dhcp 22:18 < jammcq> ok, but what is the problem ? 22:18 < jammcq> are you getting an error ? 22:18 < jammcq> or is the problem not knowing where to start ? 22:19 < yasd> ya i dont know where to start 22:19 < jammcq> ok, lets start with this. what distro are you running ? 22:20 < mistik1> http://www.ltsp.org/instructions-3.0.html <-this is where you start 22:20 < yasd> redhat linux 8 22:20 < jammcq> ok, is tftp-server installed ? 22:20 < yasd> i download 4 pkg 22:20 < jammcq> ok, is tftp-server installed ? 22:20 < yasd> core,utils,kernel,x 22:20 < yasd> other then that what u require 22:20 < mistik1> get the x_fonts too 22:21 < davus> yasd: rpm -q tftp-server 22:21 < jammcq> utils ? 22:21 < mistik1> but please answer questions 22:21 < jammcq> there is no utils package 22:21 < davus> what does that return? 22:21 < mistik1> he's prolly talking utils_src 22:21 < yasd> ic 22:22 < yasd> what other 22:22 < jammcq> http://www.ltsp.org/instructions-3.0.html 22:22 < jammcq> read that doc 22:22 < jammcq> it'll get you going 22:23 < yasd> i installed all this rpms now 22:25 < mistik1> ok, lets try again, forget LTSP for a moment please 22:25 < yasd> what is post installation procudure 22:25 < jammcq> have you read the docs ? 22:25 < mistik1> Do You HAVE tftp-server installed? 22:26 < yasd> ya 22:26 < jammcq> did you run ltsp_initialize ? 22:26 < yasd> do i uninstall redhat provided dhcp server 22:26 < jammcq> no 22:26 < yasd> ya 22:26 < mistik1> do you have no 22:26 < mistik1> ack 22:27 < yasd> then ltsp dhcp and isc dhcp will not conflict 22:27 < jammcq> there is NO ltsp dhcp 22:27 < jammcq> ltsp is a dhcp client, not a dhcp server 22:27 < mistik1> Please please read the doc 22:28 < mistik1> It really does take you step by step 22:28 < mistik1> I promiss 22:29 < mistik1> I must commend Jim on the fine job he has done of keeping it up to date and all 22:30 < yasd> so i have to uninstall dhcpcd 22:30 < mistik1> oh brother 22:30 < jammcq> NO NO NO NO 22:31 < mistik1> where does it tell you to uninstall anything? 22:31 < yasd> ic 22:31 < jammcq> why do you think you'd have to uninstall the dhcpcd ? 22:31 < jammcq> I don't think you do c 22:31 < mistik1> stop saying you see if you do not 22:31 < yasd> ic 22:31 < jammcq> there is NOTHING that you have to un-install 22:31 < Snafu> "uninstall" heh .,.. 22:32 < yasd> what is redhat services should be runing before installing ltsp 22:32 < jammcq> nothing needs to run BEFORE installing ltsp 22:32 < jammcq> but if you run ltsp_initialize, it will configure your tftp, nfs and xdmcp 22:33 < jammcq> AND, it will create a sample config file for dhcpd 22:33 < mistik1> yasd: I dont understand why you cannot follow that document even partially 22:34 < mistik1> based on the questions you are asking it seems you've not even bothered to look at it 22:34 < mistik1> enough hand holding for one day go read and when you come back you will get all the help you need for the stage you've reached 22:35 < yasd> no i trying for 2 days to setup that i taken prinout of 79 pags also 22:35 < jammcq> ok, did you install ltsp_core ? 22:35 < mistik1> did you see the URL we just posted? 22:36 < yasd> ya 22:36 < jammcq> ya what ? 22:37 < yasd> ya 22:37 < jammcq> what ? 22:37 < jammcq> what are you saying 'ya' to ? 22:37 < yasd> i saw page /i am donwload pdf also /talen printout alos 22:38 < mistik1> jammcq: lemme know how that package goes, its working very well over here so far 22:38 < mistik1> I'm taking a break from the PC now 22:38 < mistik1> I'll be close if you need msg me 22:39 < yasd> do u have any diagnose tool to check ltsp is running 22:39 < jammcq> ltsp is NOT a program, so it doesn't run 22:40 < Zaw> hehe 22:40 < jammcq> yasd: do you want help ? 22:40 < yasd> no thanks let me checkup with this help 22:40 < yasd> thanks to all 22:40 < yasd> bye 22:40 < jammcq> heh 22:40 -!- yasd [~ttt@210.212.169.2] has quit [] 22:41 < davus> 22:43 < Snafu> Jamm i just cant think of any working concept to explain to those learning GUI-down and not yet past desktop background pix, no proper mental model of fs/disk volumes, X11, processes and kernelspace .. etc etc ... 22:48 < Snafu> course ... people drive cars not knowing how to install a radio much less overhaul the engine .. but cars come prefab dont they .. and dont most weenies take their windork box to the puter store to setup stuff .. 22:50 < davus> re: windork and computers store, considering many people don't even know where the power button is, I would say that's a good thing :-) 22:55 < Snafu> well when i got my altair i was pretty clueless but after construction and a few blown buss driver buffers later ... ya learn ... 22:56 < Snafu> also the best bg you can have to how these things work .. ,, making your own addr decoders from ttl etc .. writing your own hex editor to fix floppies before fsck or chkdisk was a wet dream ... 22:58 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 22:59 < Snafu> but we all been there .. anyhow point is that communicating with those that have the mental model of the machine as a jet black deep abys .. 23:03 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:04 < robbie> jammcq: the drevil who keep dying isnt mine 23:04 < robbie> drevil3: is mine 23:04 < jammcq> robbie: who is running drevil ? 23:04 < jammcq> cuz i've seen one that I thought was at winshop 23:05 < robbie> yes, thats mine 23:05 < mistik1> robbie: !!!!!!! 23:05 < robbie> the other might be the old one scotty was hosting 23:05 < robbie> hey andrew 23:05 < robbie> jammcq: i never realised how close you were to canada 23:05 < Snafu> drevel what is a drevel ... 23:05 < mistik1> sup bro 23:05 < jammcq> robbie: hhm, we need to make that stop 23:05 * robbie recently saw bowling for columbine 23:05 < mistik1> robbie: guess what? 23:05 < robbie> what ? 23:05 < robbie> your coming to OZ ? 23:05 < Snafu> Robb lots closer than you ya crock hugger 23:06 < mistik1> we have a .21 lpp patch 23:06 < robbie> ooh 23:06 < mistik1> http://music.geeksinthehood.net:81/~mistik1/lpp-2421.patch.bz2 23:06 < jammcq> mistik1: I was comparing the modules directory against mine, and I see the one you built is smaller 23:06 < Snafu> them slatwater crocks are badass .. 23:06 < mistik1> oh? 23:06 < robbie> very 23:06 < jammcq> yeah, you are missing the pcmcia 23:07 < robbie> the freshwater crocodiles are harmless 23:07 < mistik1> I used your .config 23:07 < jammcq> yeah, but the pcmcia is a separate package 23:07 < mistik1> and just make oldconfig 23:07 < jammcq> you build it after building the normal kernel 23:07 < mistik1> ahh 23:07 < jammcq> in a separate directory 23:07 < jammcq> so, what does it take for me to build the lpp ? 23:08 < mistik1> grab that patch 23:08 < jammcq> from ? 23:08 * robbie has been out playing horsies 23:08 < mistik1> http://music.geeksinthehood.net:81/~mistik1/lpp-2421.patch.bz2 23:08 < jammcq> can you dump it in /tmp for me ? 23:08 < Snafu> harless freshies ? well at least they dont run at you as much ya mistik the pcmcia looks into the tree via /lib/modules/build back into the kernel tree 23:08 < robbie> hey guys i found a cheap way to get music from your pc to your sterio WIRELESS 23:08 < robbie> build a sterio fm transmitter :) 23:08 < robbie> and a couple $5 antennas 23:09 < mistik1> jammcq: done 23:09 < jammcq> tanks 23:09 < mistik1> apply that 23:09 < robbie> i got radio R.O.B. 100.7FM puming 30m round my house 23:09 < mistik1> apply nfsswap 23:09 < paperclip> a pair of wires $5 23:09 < mistik1> extract the theme 23:10 -!- blackspy [~blackspy@203.131.69.75] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:10 < robbie> paperclip: easier and neater to buy a made antenna with mounts etc 23:10 < mistik1> ./theme_install ltsp_theme.tar.gz /path/to/kernel/tree 23:10 -!- blackspy [~blackspy@202.138.188.187] has joined #ltsp 23:11 < mistik1> jammcq: follow me so far ? 23:12 < mistik1> jammcq: then you need to turn on the LPP patch in the framebuffer section 23:12 < jammcq> yep 23:12 < jammcq> just getting the stuff in place 23:12 < mistik1> make oldconfig will prompt anyway 23:13 < jammcq> did you clean up the patch ? I didn't get any warnings about offsets 23:13 -!- davus [~davus@208.133.220.215] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 23:13 < mistik1> I got none 23:13 < mistik1> it was clean 23:13 < jammcq> I thought you had some of those messages when you applied it 23:14 < mistik1> no 23:14 < mistik1> I pasted the success 23:14 < mistik1> both hunks passed 23:15 < mistik1> I just made sure I made a diff from the .21 tree so I make sure it was not a fluke 23:15 < jammcq> but it didn't even tell me about the hunks, it just applied cleanly 23:16 < mistik1> good 23:16 < mistik1> how did you apply? 23:17 < jammcq> bunzip2 k 23:17 < jammcq> while in the linux-2.4.21-ltsp-lpp dir 23:17 < mistik1> I use bzcat but same 23:17 < jammcq> it's all compiling now 23:17 < mistik1> with theme applied? 23:17 < jammcq> yessir 23:17 < mistik1> cool 23:18 < jammcq> id ran that ./them_install command 23:18 < mistik1> ok 23:18 < mistik1> I think if I can find time i'm gonna d/l the R-O-M source and take alook at it 23:18 < jammcq> what, make a kernel-o-matic ? 23:19 < mistik1> I think if all we use it for is the theme stuff its workable 23:19 < mistik1> yes 23:19 < mistik1> all its doing afterall is building etherboot using a default config or custom as it were 23:20 < mistik1> we already have a theme_install script that works 23:20 < mistik1> the kernel also build really quickly for just adding a new theme 23:21 < mistik1> we could also limit it to only the kernels we are currently supporting 23:25 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 23:34 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 23:41 < jammcq> mistik1: hey, my new lpp kernel works :) 23:48 < HiltonT> 2.4.21? woohoo 23:48 < jammcq> yep, 2.4.21 WITH lpp :) 23:49 < HiltonT> niiiiiice 23:49 < HiltonT> I'm gonna get back into ltsp stuff soon)ish) with any luck 23:58 < mistik1> jammcq: woohooo!! 23:58 < jammcq> mistik1: i'm uploading the new packages to SF now :) 23:58 * mistik1 looking at ROM code now 23:59 < mistik1> coolio --- Day changed Sat Jul 05 2003 00:00 < mistik1> you know what, there is no greater reflection of humanity in motion than OSS today. 00:02 < Snafu> well final defeat of the left as they stand trial for their holocausts would be nice ... but ya ... great times to be a geek 00:09 -!- blackspy [~blackspy@202.138.188.187] has quit ["Client exiting"] 00:35 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 00:35 -!- ufo [ufo@kasztan.il.pw.edu.pl] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:37 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 00:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:06 -!- BGAllie_ [~chatzilla@s53-35-162.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ltsp 01:06 -!- BGAllie_ [~chatzilla@s53-35-162.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [] 01:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:34 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:35 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:44 -!- RedCar [~brad@capsto1.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ltsp 01:47 -!- ufo [ufo@kasztan.il.pw.edu.pl] has joined #ltsp 01:47 < Snafu> If a can of Alpo costs 38 cents, would it cost $2.50 in Dog Dollars? 01:56 < MetaCosm> "there is no greater refulection of humanity in motion than OSS today" <-- the most self-aggrandizing statement I have heard in a LONG time 01:56 < MetaCosm> but ... OSS is neato and interesting right now 01:56 < MetaCosm> but I wouldn't put it an anything near that scale 01:56 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:00 < Snafu> if go-karts could pass over ethernet and it part could also come into existence with the input of labor only .. there would be a linux of go-karts .... 02:01 < Snafu> karting is another hobbt that also supports businness around it 02:02 < MetaCosm> hehe 02:03 < Snafu> hobby ... anyhow computing and software .. where the created wealth is an intangible and duplication of assets is already at the level of the replicator and transporter of star trek fame .. is hardly an example of sucessfull socialism .. 02:04 * MetaCosm looks around -- was anyone saying it was an example of successful socialism? 02:05 < Snafu> in fact in a world socialist system linux would have never come to exist .. free people that are fed clothed fat and happy with disposable free time, married with the internet and other trappings of today 02:05 -!- lanius [heino@p508E3E40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 02:05 < Snafu> Meta heh yes thee are those that made that assertion right here 02:05 -!- pos [~pos@209-193-29-66-cdsl-rb1.fai.acsalaska.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 02:05 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 02:06 < MetaCosm> Snafu: dear god [that assertion], is painfully ignorant. 02:06 < Snafu> gotta agree with most tho .. the assertion that these are great days to be a geek are right on target ... 02:08 < MetaCosm> been good for awhile :) 02:08 < Snafu> a vax 11/780 cost the same as a pair of 2 floor california villas with his and hers jaguar E roadsters 02:09 < Snafu> so back then personal unix was not very close .. the src license from AT&T was another 200 grand . 02:10 < Snafu> a lamborgini cost about the same .. 02:12 < Snafu> heh now a ferrari F50 is 2 million dollars .. and a unix box is as little as a old 486 not worth the fuel required to haul it to the end of the street ... and it is 100 times faster than that old 780 02:17 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-104-212.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 02:48 -!- lanius is now known as lanius^na 02:57 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-104-212.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 02:57 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-104-212.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 02:58 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-104-212.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:58 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:01 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 03:05 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:06 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 03:12 -!- lanius^na is now known as lanius 03:17 < Snafu> http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley 03:20 < Snafu> http://www.connix.com/~akricci/hgttg/guide_details_DisasterArea.html 03:38 -!- RedCar [~brad@capsto1.lnk.telstra.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 04:19 -!- lanius [heino@p508E3E40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 04:51 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 04:51 < keyur> hi 04:51 < keyur> i have problem regarding nfs in ltsp 04:52 < keyur> when my terminal start it gives error like 04:52 < keyur> nfs: task 82 can't get a request slot 04:52 < keyur> same terminal is working 04:52 < keyur> but once i have change place and add printer to workstation 04:53 < keyur> it start giving error after server reboot 04:53 < keyur> without rebooting server it works 05:02 < keyur> again by shifting place it start 05:03 < keyur> just by changing place how can be it stop 05:03 < keyur> i have checked lan 05:03 < keyur> no problem of lan is there 05:09 -!- Mundy|work [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:17 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:31 -!- Yngiwe [~Yngiwe@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:36 < Snafu> keyur yes ive seen knfsd do that ... 06:06 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 06:07 < keyur> hi 06:07 < keyur> i got a magic problem 06:07 < keyur> by just changing server location from one hub to another switch 06:08 < keyur> it stops and gives error 06:08 < keyur> like 06:08 < keyur> nfs : task 82 can't get a request slot 06:09 < Snafu> keyur yes ive seen knfsd do that ... 06:09 < keyur> this error is there to workstation 06:09 -!- Yngiwe [~Yngiwe@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 06:09 < keyur> not on server 06:10 < Snafu> as ive seen ive seen knfsd do that .... 06:10 < Snafu> the userspace nfs server dont have the problem ... 06:10 < keyur> i can't get u 06:10 < keyur> what is knfsd 06:11 < Snafu> and rebooting the server fixes it ... but 3 or for fast reboots of the terminal can bring it back 06:11 < keyur> and what to do with that 06:11 < keyur> i have reboot server 4 times 06:12 < Snafu> the issue might be fixed in the newer 2.4.x kernels but it was real enough 06:12 < keyur> my kernel is also 2.4.18 with redhat linux 8.0 06:13 < Snafu> its as if the server thinks its the workstation on the old connection and wont reset and allow a new one .. 06:14 < Snafu> so compile 2.4.21 and see if its better ... 06:14 < Snafu> or else try the userspace nfsd it dont have the problem 06:15 < keyur> what is userspace nfsd 06:16 < Snafu> linux newbie eh ? knfsd is relativly new to the linux kernel 06:16 < keyur> yes i m newbie 06:17 < Snafu> the old nfs was done in userspace as a daemon not unlike apachie or ftp 06:17 < keyur> this is my first setup of ltsp 06:17 < keyur> so what to do with that 06:17 < keyur> now what will be solution 06:18 < Snafu> being more familiar with unix will help .. 06:18 < keyur> or whether switch would be inteligent or i should create new client with given mac address 06:19 < keyur> and remove old client entry in lts.conf 06:19 < keyur> and dhcpd.conf 06:19 < Snafu> has nothing to do with the nfs isssue 06:20 < Snafu> i would update the kernel first ... see if the nfs bug is fixed 06:20 < Snafu> 2.4.18 is i think the same kernel that i saw the same problem on .. 06:21 < keyur> so i think only solution is i should reinstall ltsp server 06:21 < Snafu> not an issue for most ... but ltsp exposes the "connection wont reset" bug 06:22 < Snafu> ltsp has nothing to do with it 06:22 < Snafu> and only winblows loozers "reinstall" 06:22 -!- Mundy|work [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #LTSP 06:22 < Snafu> update the kernel tahts all 06:23 < keyur> i m newbie so it will difficult for me to update kernel 06:24 < keyur> whether updating kernel will required to reinstall all other s/w 06:24 < keyur> like openoffice,evolution 06:24 < keyur> or just by running rpm it will update kernel 06:26 < Snafu> linux is modular it isnt stupid like winblows .. 06:26 < Snafu> just the kernel thats all ... 06:26 < keyur> ok 06:26 < keyur> which kernel patch is recommanded by u 06:26 < Snafu> and there is tutors and docs all over the net how to compile from scratch 06:27 < Snafu> ftp.kernel.org get the latest out of 2.4 2.4.21 i think it is now 06:27 < keyur> ok thank 06:27 < Snafu> if not that you can get a new kernel rpm off redhat 06:27 < keyur> i would get help of how to from that side also i think 06:28 < keyur> ohh.. good 06:28 < Snafu> be sure to run lilo after install and before reboot 06:28 < keyur> if rpm of kernel is there then it would be less difficult for me 06:28 < keyur> ok i will take care of it 06:30 < keyur> i will try to find out rpm of kernel and just run it 06:30 < Snafu> so ... new to unix eh ? heh 06:30 < keyur> Snafu : thanks a lot, thank u , 06:31 < keyur> i will try and inform u 06:31 < Snafu> its a new world .. the more ya know the more you will like it 06:31 < keyur> yes definatly 06:31 < keyur> i m also new to field 06:32 < keyur> just completed my mca(master of computer application) 06:32 < keyur> this is my first project 06:32 < Snafu> well even those of us in this for 30 years dont know everything 06:32 < Snafu> impossible i think .. 06:32 < keyur> thanks a lot 06:32 < Snafu> but look on the bright side ... you will never outgrow it 06:33 < keyur> yes 06:33 < keyur> oh its good that u r working since 30 years in computer field 06:34 < keyur> from vaccume to this vlic days 06:34 < Snafu> in the mean time ... read one of the kernel compile tutors even if you wont be doing it ... you will soon enough and it will teach some things 06:34 < Snafu> well i started with the altair 8800 and pdp11 06:34 < keyur> ok thanks 06:34 < Snafu> but ya long time 06:34 < keyur> what is this 06:34 < keyur> altair 8800 ? 06:35 < keyur> i have never hear such word 06:35 < Snafu> google it some time... 06:35 < keyur> yes i used to with only google 06:36 < keyur> i will try with new kernel and inform u later 06:36 < keyur> currently u r my guide 06:36 < keyur> sir 06:36 < Snafu> dont forget lilo heh 06:36 < keyur> yes 06:36 < keyur> sir 06:37 < keyur> ok bye 06:38 < keyur> i will try for kernel and inform u 06:38 < keyur> thanks for such support 06:38 < keyur> i will meet u on monday at same time 06:39 < keyur> bye 06:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 06:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 06:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 06:51 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 06:53 -!- nine_finger [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ltsp 06:54 < nine_finger> Hello 06:54 -!- penguini [~peter@ocmax1-199.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ltsp 06:55 < keyur> what is athlon 06:56 < keyur> i find many rpm with .athlon.rpm 06:56 < keyur> so why they are seprated 06:57 < keyur> by name as athlon 06:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:00 -!- penguini [~peter@ocmax1-199.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 07:04 < nine_finger> How can I estimate the CPU/RAM usage for 30 clients running a mix of jobs 07:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:17 < keyur> i m going to use my server with 1gb ram 07:17 < keyur> 1.7ghz celron processor 07:17 < keyur> and baracoda 7500 rpm hard disk 07:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:26 < nine_finger> keyur - - do you only have 1 harddisk? I will try to have 2 hd's, one to / and swap the other to /home. What's the load on your server? 07:27 < keyur> this configuration we have decided 07:27 < keyur> as i ask experts 07:27 < keyur> but i m currently getting nfs problem by just shifting server 07:27 < keyur> so i m stuk there 07:27 < keyur> so i can't tell more about it 07:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:43 -!- brainless [cbca@203.115.82.155] has joined #ltsp 07:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 08:03 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.147.97] has joined #ltsp 08:08 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has joined #LTSP 08:09 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has left #LTSP ["Client exiting"] 08:10 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 08:10 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has joined #LTSP 08:33 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has quit ["ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?"] 08:40 -!- brainless [cbca@203.115.82.155] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:51 -!- keyurbhatt [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 08:51 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:53 -!- nine_finger [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 09:02 -!- nyohirdo [baby08@ipdial-177-70.tri-isys.com] has joined #ltsp 09:33 -!- keyurbhatt [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:33 -!- nine_finger [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ltsp 09:34 < nine_finger> hallo 09:34 -!- nine_finger [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 09:36 -!- nyohirdo [baby08@ipdial-177-70.tri-isys.com] has left #ltsp [] 09:39 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has joined #LTSP 09:46 -!- nine_finger [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ltsp 10:06 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 10:21 < nine_finger> hallo 10:23 < hdaalz> hi 10:28 < paperclip> hello 10:41 < hdaalz> anyone know a fix for this? Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00 ? 10:42 < hdaalz> i have portmapper, nfs and mountd running. Maybe the nfs server is setup wrong ? 10:43 < paperclip> what do you have in /etc/exports 10:45 < hdaalz> /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) 10:45 < hdaalz> i'm thinking they should be the ips of the workstation? 10:45 < paperclip> is that your server? 10:46 < paperclip> 192.168.0.0 ? 10:46 < hdaalz> my server is 192.168.0.150 10:46 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 10:46 < paperclip> so.. put that there.. instead of 192.168.0.0 10:46 < hdaalz> ok 10:47 < hdaalz> anything else I need to change? 10:47 < paperclip> i don't think so.. 10:47 < paperclip> you might need to restart nfs.. 10:47 < paperclip> not sure 10:48 < hdaalz> ok, exportfs seemed to work. brb 10:49 < Snafu> i wonder why they bother with the C and B sized privnet numbers ... when 10.x.x.x is an A and easier to remember 10:49 < paperclip> easier to remember? 10:50 < paperclip> 192.168 is always the same.. so that makes fewer "unique" triplets to remember =) 10:51 < Snafu> 10.*.*.* ? not only easier but less digits too for most everyone 10:51 < paperclip> how is it easier? you have to recall three triplets.. 10:51 < paperclip> rather than just the two with 192.168.*.* 10:51 < Snafu> besides if ya ever want to tunnel your privnet over tinc ... 10:52 < Snafu> ya lame ... as i said anything starting with 10. will work ... thats one number to remember 10:52 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has joined #ltsp 10:53 < hdaalz> still have to rememer the rest of the ip 10:53 * paperclip just takes his word for it.. =) 10:54 < Snafu> sm:~# host halfpast.10net.net 10:54 < Snafu> halfpast.10net.net has address 10.100.1.22 10:54 < Snafu> sm:~# host mc.nop.org 10:54 < Snafu> mc.nop.org has address 10.77.7.65 10:54 < Snafu> in my case a B just wont do ... our tunneled net is rather large 10:55 < paperclip> still doesn't make it easier to remember =) 10:55 < Snafu> 10 is hard to remeber ? 10:55 < hdaalz> no, 10 is find to remember 10:55 < paperclip> if that's the easy part.. then you have more hard parts.. 10:55 < hdaalz> find/fine 10:55 < hdaalz> yup 10:56 < Snafu> and 10.0.0.x good nuff for most is certainly easy .. a 10 and two zeros 10:56 < hdaalz> anyway, its not my place to say 10:56 < paperclip> yeah.. i'm taking your word for it.. =) 10:56 < hdaalz> i don't do large networks 10:57 < Snafu> why not ? tinc for example will work in hub n spoke mode 10:57 < hdaalz> i'm still getting a kernel panic :( 10:58 < Snafu> nice blowfish encrypted tunnel that uses /dev/tap 10:59 < Snafu> replace your x.x.x.x/x.x.x.x with a simple *(blah,blah 10:59 < hdaalz> is it possible I'm trying to boot from the wrong file system on the server ? I'm reading this here, http://handhelds.org/hypermail/bootldr/20/2049.html says setting rootfstype ext2 lets them boot 11:00 < paperclip> you trying to use a pda for a client? 11:00 < hdaalz> no 11:00 < Snafu> d1k:~# exportfs 11:00 < Snafu> /data1/slackware/slackware-current 11:00 < Snafu> 11:01 < Snafu> d1k:~# grep curr /etc/exports 11:01 < Snafu> /swcurr *(sync,ro,no_root_squash) 11:02 < Snafu> d1k:~# ls -l /swcurr 11:02 < Snafu> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Jul 5 06:30 /swcurr -> data1/slackware/slackware-current 11:03 < Snafu> knfsd and its host resolver can be picky .. if the host resolves to a name on the host but listed as an ip in exports the damn premission grant can fail .. 11:04 < Snafu> so ya can name the box in /etc/hosts or ya can put a proper revers in a local dns ... or ya can wildcard the readonly ( since security isnt any worry ) 11:05 < Snafu> but whatever the case the resolver return must match what is permitted in exports ... if they dont the mount will be rejected .. 11:05 < Snafu> fyi ;=) 11:06 < hdaalz> ok 11:06 < hdaalz> so I add a line to /etc/hosts such as ; 192.168.0.200 ws_01 . that been the ip of the client and host name thats also in dhcpd.conf ? 11:07 < Snafu> heh if you enable tcpwrapper it gets even more picky ... since portmap uses it ;=) 11:07 -!- slidesinger [~jtatum@pcp03291665pcs.arnysm01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 11:07 < hdaalz> i don't think I have that 11:07 < hdaalz> ls 11:08 < Snafu> ya you do ... but your host.allow and hosts.deny are blank .. 11:08 < Snafu> all distros come w tcpwrapper that i know about 11:08 < hdaalz> oh, ok 11:09 < hdaalz> hmm, hosts.allow has 3 entrys 11:09 < hdaalz> bootpd as 0.0.0.0, in.tftpd 192.168.0. and portmap 192.168.0. 11:09 < Snafu> anyhow ya the host entries will work ... make sure the long names are lited in order first tho 11:10 < Snafu> well if hosts.deny is empty those listing have no effect 11:11 < Snafu> host.allow is meaningless unless the deny file is non blank 11:12 < hdaalz> does the hosts allow/deny files need to be working in order for nfs to work ? 11:12 < Snafu> just fyi ... they have made nfs ever more finicky over the years to close it up some .. even tho its still not very secure even when setup best you could for it 11:13 < Snafu> yes they are always working ... but again ... if host.deny is blank then it pass all anyway ... 11:14 < hdaalz> do I have to use it on a lan though ? 11:14 < Snafu> Fubar:~# cat /etc/hosts.deny 11:14 < Snafu> # 11:14 < Snafu> # 11:14 < Snafu> ALL: ALL 11:14 < Snafu> Fubar:~# 11:15 < Snafu> heh portmap and inetd would bomb if it was removed .. its linked against it as hard as the c library 11:15 < Snafu> but again with a empty deny file its inoperative 11:16 < Snafu> since that means "deny nobody" 11:16 < Snafu> i was just pointing out another area where things can be blocked ... 11:17 < Snafu> what you prob have tho is a mismatch on the returned lookup of the connecting host and the permission granted in exports 11:17 < Snafu> if you permit an IP and the host returns a name ... the match can fail ... 11:19 < Snafu> so do one of the 3 things i mentioned ... hosts, dns, or wildcard for the readonly export thats not a security worry anyway ... 11:21 < Snafu> then tail /var/log/messages debug syslog on the server and see if nfs is still rejecting .... 11:21 < Snafu> Jul 5 09:43:20 d1k rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from Rx.nop.org:665 for /data1/irix (/data1) 11:22 < Snafu> when its a mount success you eill see somthing like that in the server message file 11:22 < hdaalz> nope, still getting the error 11:22 < Snafu> if not it will at least give a clue why it wont allow it .. 11:24 < hdaalz> ok, i wildcard the exports and added items to the hosts file 11:25 < Snafu> /swcurr *(sync,ro) is basically permit everyone 11:26 < hdaalz> ok, i've changed that too 11:26 < Snafu> then run exportfs -r so the server will re read the file and accept the changes ... 11:27 < Snafu> ena showmount -e should list the running exports 11:28 < Snafu> d1k:~# showmount -e | grep curr 11:28 < Snafu> /data1/slackware/slackware-current * 11:28 < Snafu> d1k:~# 11:28 < hdaalz> hmm, don't get any out put with showmount -e 11:29 < Snafu> then tail /var/log/messages none ? how about exportfs with no args .. 11:29 < hdaalz> 11:29 < hdaalz> /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 11:29 < hdaalz> /opt/ltsp/i386 11:30 < hdaalz> thats exportfs 11:30 < Snafu> showmount -e should show those ... 11:30 < hdaalz> nope, nothing, have to ^c to get out 11:31 < Snafu> ps -axu | grep rpc should show a running portmap mountd statd 11:31 < hdaalz> yes 11:31 < hdaalz> it does 11:31 < Snafu> ^c to get out ? muahahhahah 11:32 < hdaalz> what ? 11:32 < Snafu> it hangs ? so the server has a resolv.conf pointing to nowhere and your hanging up attempting reverse lookups ? 11:33 < hdaalz> could be 11:33 < hdaalz> resolv.conf has 2 lines 11:33 < Snafu> well if you have no valid dns right now ... then point nameserver 127.0.0.1 and the lookup will fail instantly 11:33 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2610.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 11:34 < hdaalz> ok 11:34 < hdaalz> will that affect internet access ? 11:34 < paperclip> =) 11:34 < Snafu> see you could been hanging up on reverse lookup timeout till the nfs mount failed .. 11:34 < hdaalz> its currently setto 192.168.0.1 and thats the router 11:35 < Snafu> well it have a dns ? 11:35 < hdaalz> i guess not, for a private dns server anyway. 11:36 < Snafu> sending lookups upstream for private IP's is really bad manners anyway ... run a local DNS and reverse them locally ... or point the resolv file to loopback 11:36 < hdaalz> ok. what do I use for the search line ? 11:37 < hdaalz> its using the domain name given to it by the webserver its running 11:37 < Snafu> make up somthing ... 11:37 < Snafu> sm:~# host halfpast.10net.net 11:37 < Snafu> halfpast.10net.net has address 10.100.1.22 11:38 < Snafu> 10net.net dont belong to me .. but its nobody ill be wanting to get to 11:39 < Snafu> untill:~# host 10.100.1.22 11:39 < Snafu> 22.1.100.10.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer halfpast.10net.net 11:39 < hdaalz> ok. I ping the host and it goes to the lan ip now 11:40 < Snafu> showmount -e should have no lag now .. 11:40 < Snafu> if its hanging in lookups so is your nfs server 11:41 < hdaalz> ok. showmount -e works now 11:41 < hdaalz> ./etc# showmount -e 11:41 < hdaalz> Export list for net.ownt.co.uk: 11:41 < hdaalz> /opt/ltsp/i386 * 11:41 < Snafu> and given the short timeout on a ltsp kernel to find and mount root ... thats all it would take for it to fail ... 11:41 < Snafu> savy ? 11:41 < Snafu> yeah so now it will prob work now 11:41 < hdaalz> ok. lets hope :) 11:41 < hdaalz> brb 11:42 < Snafu> and better yet .... now you know most of the sniggly bits to chk out next time ... and can help the next guy ... 11:43 < hdaalz> still doesn't mount the fs 11:44 < hdaalz> "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00" 11:44 < Snafu> so what does messages say this time 11:44 < Snafu> tail /var/log/messages 11:44 < hdaalz> hmm, its blank 11:45 < Snafu> look in sylog and debug too 11:45 < Snafu> er syslog ... 11:46 < Snafu> grep mountd /var/log/* might even be good ... 11:46 < hdaalz> i only get items for boot.log 11:47 < hdaalz> i don't have syslog or debug logs 11:47 < mistik1> what's going on? 11:47 < hdaalz> hmm messages is empty 11:47 < Snafu> d1k:~# grep mountd /var/log/* | grep auth | grep "Jul 5" 11:47 < Snafu> /var/log/messages:Jul 5 07:59:47 d1k rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 10.77.7.199:859 for / (/) 11:47 < Snafu> you should see somthing at least 11:48 < hdaalz> nothing, just grep /var ... is a directory 11:48 < Snafu> no 11:48 < mistik1> what is the problem? 11:48 < Snafu> grep mountd /var/log/* 11:48 < Snafu> will show everything 11:48 < hdaalz> mistik1 I get "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00" on the client console 11:49 < mistik1> ok 11:49 < mistik1> is this your first client? 11:49 < hdaalz> Snafu, the only items I get are from boot.log 11:49 < hdaalz> /var/log/boot.log:Jul 5 16:32:06 localhost nfs: rpc.mountd startup succeeded 11:49 < hdaalz> mistik1 yes 11:49 < mistik1> ok 11:49 < mistik1> grep rootpath /etc/dhcpd.conf 11:50 < hdaalz> rootpath ? 11:50 < jammcq> root-path 11:50 < mistik1> oh yea 11:50 < jammcq> looks like somebody is using a non-ltsp kernel tho 11:51 < Snafu> yup there should be some notice on the mount attempt ... even if it failed ... 11:51 < hdaalz> option root-path "192.168.0.150:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 11:51 < jammcq> that 01:00 error is usually from the kernel trying to mount the root filesystem. 11:51 < jammcq> hdaalz: do this: grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf 11:52 < hdaalz> I was using redhat 7.1 up to date with what ever files come from the www.ltsp.org site 11:52 < hdaalz> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-1"; 11:52 < hdaalz> had to change that 11:52 < Snafu> no they are asking about the client kernel .. 11:52 < hdaalz> was pointing to an older version 11:52 < paperclip> which comes in the ltsp-core rpms , no? 11:52 < jammcq> hdaalz: how old ? 11:52 < jammcq> no, the kernel is not in the ltsp-core package, it's in the ltsp_kernel package 11:52 < hdaalz> .11 or so ? 11:53 < paperclip> oh.. sorry.. i don't use the rpms.. 11:53 < paperclip> tho i guess it's the same for the tgz =) 11:53 < jammcq> well, the 2.4.21 should work 11:53 < jammcq> I gotta run 11:53 < jammcq> hopefully someone else can help out 11:53 < jammcq> i'll be back in a little while (1hr) 11:53 < hdaalz> yeah, it starts to boot fine using the kernal. Its just having a problem mounting the file system 11:54 < paperclip> you guys know of and docs/discussion about using ldap for login/printing/etc.. 11:54 < hdaalz> not me 11:55 < paperclip> i'd like to have realtime accounting for *everything* 11:55 < mistik1> hdaalz: exportfs , paste result 11:55 < Snafu> well your nfs was hanging on the resolver till just a bit ago ... 11:55 < mistik1> Snafu: I just got here, I dont know what was going on.... 11:55 < mistik1> maybe you can fil me in 11:57 < Snafu> what kernel on the server btw ... there is a bug in knfsd and i donno if its even fixed .. where after lots of failed mounts the connection wont reset and knfsd and friends wont work for that client till the server is rebooted 11:57 < Snafu> i went to userspace nfs to solve the issue .. but perhaps knfsd is fixed now ... 11:58 < mistik1> I've not seen that prob in a while now 11:58 * paperclip also uses userspace nfsd 11:58 < Snafu> Mist ya but if his server kernel is old .... ;=) 11:58 < mistik1> true 11:58 < hdaalz> ./var/log# exportfs 11:58 < hdaalz> /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 11:58 < hdaalz> /opt/ltsp/i386 11:59 < mistik1> what is this 11:59 < mistik1> just paste what it says 11:59 < hdaalz> thats what it says 11:59 < Snafu> so reboot the server hd see if it works then ... if it does .. then a kernel upgrade might be in order ... whats on the server 2.4.18 or older ? 11:59 < hdaalz> cus it is wildcard 12:00 < hdaalz> Snafu, yes? 12:00 < mistik1> *sigh* 12:00 < hdaalz> server is 2.4.20-18.7smp 12:00 < mistik1> that should be fine 12:01 < mistik1> lemme see your /etc/hosts.allow 12:01 < hdaalz> bootpd: 0.0.0.0 12:01 < hdaalz> in.tftpd: 192.168.0. 12:01 < hdaalz> portmap: 192.168.0. 12:01 < Snafu> well hos host.deny is empty .... 12:01 < mistik1> ok 12:01 < Snafu> at least i told him to make sure it is ... 12:02 < hdaalz> it is empty 12:02 < mistik1> then i dont see why he would get nothing in syslog on a faileld mount 12:02 < Snafu> why fight 30 potental issues at the same time eh ? ;=) 12:02 < mistik1> failed even 12:02 < hdaalz> hmm, i rebooted the client again 12:02 < mistik1> hmm 12:02 < hdaalz> messages is still empty 12:02 < Snafu> well reboot the server anyway ... 12:03 < hdaalz> ok. rebooting 12:03 < Snafu> perhaps we found a new snafu when you hang portmapper on the resoolver too many times heh 12:03 < hdaalz> a new snafu? 12:04 < Snafu> its not a good sign when showmount hangs like it was doing ;=) 12:04 < Snafu> Situation Normal .... All Fucked Up 12:05 < Snafu> like FUBAR AFU SHAFU .... or you are army ... accept yoyr fate 12:05 < hdaalz> ok 12:05 < hdaalz> ;) 12:07 < Snafu> or dont have dislexics enter your targeting codes ... 12:08 < Snafu> whats small yellow and very dangerous ..... 12:08 < Snafu> a cannary with the root password ... 12:08 < hdaalz> eggs? 12:08 < hdaalz> hehe 12:10 < Snafu> so it work now ? 12:11 < Snafu> what netcard in the client btw ... 12:13 < hdaalz> its a onboard sis card 12:13 < Snafu> another help would be to run iptraf get build and install it if you dont have it ... so ya can watch the ws net traffic 12:13 < hdaalz> 7900 or something 12:14 < Snafu> ya so etherboot might be working but the kernel not so well ... 12:15 < mistik1> Snafu: my mind is going down that same road atm 12:15 < Snafu> shut it off and cram a supported card in the client ... if it works ya can prob fix it with a cust kernel 12:15 < mistik1> hdaalz: just for kicks, what NIC is in that WS? 12:15 < Snafu> to have etherboot work and the kernel driver fail would not be unexpected ... 12:16 < Snafu> so grab something more generic lited as supported if ya have it 12:16 < Snafu> if it works ... chances are ya can build a kernel that will fix the prob with the onboard .. 12:17 < mistik1> if that was the case if would not be a NFS mount error 12:17 < Snafu> well not if an nfs mount is never reaching the server 12:17 < mistik1> It would stop when it tried to figure out what driver to use and prompt you to use a NIC=foo in dhcpd.conf 12:17 < Snafu> and that can happen if etherboot is ok but the kernel driver failing 12:18 < mistik1> linuxrc in the initrd deals with that differently, however if the kernel driver were to load just fine and then not work at all we have the problem you described 12:19 < Snafu> thats what im saying.... like for example a shared interrupt on a crappy chipset 12:19 < mistik1> *nod* 12:19 < hdaalz> hmm I got spam from a network device for dhcpdiscovery 12:20 < Snafu> anyhow im impatent ... i would grab a gneric card without delay ... an succesfull boot would at least show what end the problem is on ... 12:20 < Snafu> and that saves you half the remaing effort 12:20 -!- manimay_ [~manimay@pD954485C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 12:21 < Snafu> some bios allows ya to set peferences on interrupts on slots .. n stuff 12:21 < Snafu> if ya cant move the card move the other stuff etc ... 12:22 -!- manimay [~manimay@pD9E63F11.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:22 < Snafu> heh take those IBM lanstremers with the crystal chip for example ... 12:22 < Snafu> if you dont rmmod the module on shutdown then it wont come back on reboot without a power cycle ... 12:23 < Snafu> sad but true ... 12:23 -!- midori [~midori@pcp04018338pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 12:24 < midori> has anyone made a thin client out of an old world powerpc? 12:24 < Snafu> so you are forced to script ifconfig eth0 down ; rmmod ( i forget ) in the shutdown scripting for it to reboot and have a card that works 12:24 < Snafu> mid with nubus ? 12:25 < paperclip> midori: nice nick.. 12:25 < Snafu> or an old rs6k machine with MCA or something ... 12:25 < paperclip> i used to play with the embedded distro named midori 12:25 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 12:26 < midori> paperclip: you know what midori means right? 12:26 < paperclip> green 12:26 < midori> soo desu ka? 12:27 < Snafu> the old nubus crapples need mklinux or macbsd , the old aix boards ? heh donno 12:27 < paperclip> no.. i just know what midori means =) 12:27 < Snafu> they could still be dumb xterminals even if they could not be very "thin" 12:27 < paperclip> i see you use comcast.. i hear they got a new news server.. netnews.comcast.net 12:30 < midori> paperclip: i have 9 old world ppcs to build a computer lab for delinquent girls. 12:30 < midori> I know I can install yellow dog (which is the same as redHat) on them and use the ltsp software, but I don't know enough about apples to get them to boot into linux for the installation. 12:30 < Snafu> i have a mac ppc 6100 and a IBM rs6000-250 both are early ppc machines ... i havent got round to playing with em yet 12:30 < paperclip> heh.. sounds like fun =) 12:30 < no_paste> Someone has pasted default-lease-time 21600; max- at http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/1 12:31 < Snafu> i know the aix/rs6k will work in some fashion ... but i got it to run AIX ... 12:31 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 12:31 < Snafu> midori are they new enough to have openboot and a supported xserver ? 12:32 < Snafu> its the older nubus ppc box that is the oddball new than that is easier to work with ,,, 12:32 < midori> Snafu: I don't know what openboot is..... 12:33 < Snafu> if it has pci slots if its that recent .. then it will be pretty easy 12:33 < no_paste> Someone has pasted .~# netstat -nap|grep ":111" t at http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/2 12:34 < Snafu> the old nubus mac .. and the MCA buss IBM ppc boards would be the toughies ... 12:34 < midori> these are decent apples- with good grapical capacity so they should be ok- 12:35 < midori> I can figure out how to get them booted up to read the linux installation cd 12:35 < midori> that is I can't figure it out. what would you do to find out? 12:36 < Snafu> well netbooting them might not be available i donnoo that openboot has tftpboot ... 12:37 < Snafu> but any X11 capable anything can run as a lts client even dumbfuck95 running exceed 12:37 < Snafu> old sun ipx/ss2 etc .... old irix running indy etc .. 12:38 < Snafu> Robbie even has a diskless kit for the suns ... 12:39 -!- jocks [~jocks@217.158.166.50] has joined #ltsp 12:39 < jocks> hi all 12:39 < Snafu> but apple with a tftpbooting start rom ? i dono ive not heard that even the latest crapples have that 12:40 < midori> I could boot them from a floppy if I could figure out how to get an apple to bnoot from a floppy, but they don't work that way 12:40 < Snafu> if your willing to boot linux or netbsd of local disk tho ... no problemo ... if its a latter PCI slotted mac ... 12:42 < Snafu> booting off a cdrom would work ... would waste 599MB of a rom but it would werk ;=) 12:43 < midori> I'll go check and see if they have PCI slots 12:43 < midori> They look wierd inside.. but it appears that there is one PCI slot for a network card. 12:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 12:44 < Snafu> otherwise find an old 50mb or larger junker disk and your "client" can even have a local swapper ... even if the X11 screen is choko full of i386 LTSP hosted apps and unix/linux box can play "dumb xserver" even if locally its neither dumb nor thin 12:47 < Snafu> i have an old sony NeWS 3250 that runs a mps 3000 and a 1991 sysVr4 kernel ( yuk puke blech ) but its X server worx well so it runs dumb xterm mode as my coffee table term 12:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 12:49 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 12:49 < Snafu> actually a snappy chip 20mhz 32bit risc the mips 3000 is .. but that 1991 sysVr4 it has blows beats 12:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 12:50 < Snafu> but as a xserver ... you can pretend the local os dont suck so bad ... 12:51 < Snafu> kinda like running exceed in full screen mode so ya pretend the dumbfuck95 running under it dont suck so bad ... 12:51 < paperclip> how about these? 12:51 < paperclip> http://computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?productid=NET-HDSVS 12:52 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-2256.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 12:52 < Snafu> also the linux and macbsd sites have good lists and notes on amount of support for what model etc ... 12:54 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2610.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:54 < midori> snafu:thanks for your help- I'll check out some of those sites now- would you suggest looking into linux or macbsd? 12:56 < Snafu> it depends ... and the main snafu is the xserver ... lots of apple stuff will boot but all they have is console some dont even have that and depend on serial/console till the network is up .. 12:56 < Snafu> the better than no support might have n xserver for macbsd but not linux or vice versa 12:57 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["now going out ..."] 12:57 < Snafu> the much later boxes that have openboot and pci ... are not too painfull on the other hand ... 12:58 < Snafu> just pay close attention to the level of support for the model ... both have good lists on what/quality support they have for model xxxxx 12:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 12:59 < Snafu> paperclip see the oddball cpu they use ? 12:59 < midori> good suggestion- to look at who has the most experience with the particular model. 12:59 < paperclip> the 960 12:59 < Snafu> paperclip worse than that ... if you dont have the cleient software kit getting it so they have something to run can be impossible 13:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:00 < paperclip> i thought the x stuff was built in.. you just configure it.. no? 13:01 < paperclip> well.. right now i'm looking at using the epia 5000 for my clients.. 13:01 < Snafu> nope my info is they boot diskless off a unix server .. 13:01 < paperclip> but they are ~$175/each 13:01 < paperclip> these things are crazy cheap.. 13:01 < Snafu> what they load isnt linux but a cut down unix for the 960 that has no mmu 13:02 < paperclip> hmm 13:02 < paperclip> well.. it would be a pain at best then, eh? 13:02 < Snafu> ya cheap ... but if you dont have the software kit for them ... getting it is impossible and without it they are as usefull as stewed carrots for deadbolts 13:03 * paperclip nods 13:03 < Snafu> its true there are those that run from flash .. and they are nice .. 13:04 < paperclip> yeah.. i should check ebay out.. 13:04 < Snafu> they are dirt cheap like the X11 ready network puter thin client that comes with a LCD color display 13:04 < paperclip> there is something nice about *new* stuff tho.. 13:05 < Snafu> but those ... i would take a chance on them only if the guyy would garranty they come with all the materials to get em booted to X11 .. 13:05 < paperclip> yeah.. they are crazy cheap 13:05 < paperclip> =) 13:05 -!- hdaals [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 13:06 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:06 -!- hdaals is now known as hdaalz 13:06 < Snafu> i know a fella with a stack of similar to those ... older model ... but he has no runtime ... and lic fees from the company ... they mist think you have his/hers matching Ferrari F50 boxters 13:07 < Snafu> and a helopad on your roof ... 13:08 -!- guugmember [~nramos@remote206-225.gua.net] has joined #ltsp 13:08 < Snafu> and a stable of 4,000$/night "escorts" that keep your edge off 13:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:09 < guugmember> who wants to talk about thinstation 13:09 < jammcq> not me 13:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:10 < Snafu> i hear they have vac devices for the "too thin" problem 13:10 < Snafu> i get lots of email offering me help with that kind of "problem" 13:11 < guugmember> jammcq: you seem to be attached to LTSP rightm 13:11 < guugmember> right? 13:11 < jammcq> ummm, yes 13:12 < Snafu> it was those puppy dog eyes that did it .. 13:12 < Snafu> i need coffee .... Hey Jam ... your kickin ass ... burp later 13:13 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:14 < paperclip> heh 13:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:20 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.147.97] has quit [] 13:21 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.147.97] has joined #ltsp 13:21 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 13:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:30 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:36 < Snafu> tell ya what tho ... the new gnome against ft2 is painfull slow over the wire ... newest pan under those conditions is unuseable nonlocal .. older pan uses only gtk and is snappy 13:38 < Snafu> hope that isnt a trend that they forget X11, being network transparent as its core design is not a good fit for clogging the pipe between client and display .. 13:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 13:40 < Snafu> perhaps turning off anti-alias fonts would have fixed it .. as is we are talking slower screen by 1000 X 13:40 < hdaalz> ok, i'm giving up on this system, must be the motherboard or somthing 13:40 < hdaalz> does anyone know if the via epia boards work well as thing clients? 13:40 < jammcq> what's the problem ? 13:41 < Snafu> bah as i said cram a suplus more generic netcard in it and turn the OB board eth off 13:41 < Snafu> if that fixes it ... perhaps a custom kernel will fix the netcard snafu ... 13:42 < hdaalz> the machine has booted before under linux 13:42 < Snafu> at least it will tell you what the issue is or is not 13:42 < jammcq> hdaalz: what is the problem you are seeing ? 13:43 < hdaalz> jammcq, Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00 13:43 < Snafu> Jamm tftpboot ok ... but not even a mention in the logs that the nfs server is even being reached ... as if etherboot is ok but the linux driver is deafmute for the Onboard eth .. 13:43 < jammcq> ok, once it fails, can you scroll back through the kernel messages by pressing Alt-Shift-Backspace ? 13:43 < guugmember> who can give me a good title for a LTSP article for CEO's? 13:43 < guugmember> From garabage to production? 13:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 13:44 < jammcq> the 01:00 error that you are getting is telling me that it is the KERNEL that is having trouble with the root fs. It's not NFS yet, it can't even get the initrd mounted 13:44 < hdaalz> thats what i've been reading 13:44 < Snafu> Jam ... oowww .... ok ima dork .. 13:44 < jammcq> so, maybe the initrd image isn't getting loaded in memory 13:44 < hdaalz> but ppl keep telling me its nfs 13:45 < Snafu> hd looks like we was fulla chit ... 13:45 < jammcq> so, scroll back, to the very beginning of the kernel messages, and lets get to the bottom of this problem, eh ? 13:45 < jammcq> what kind of cpu ? 13:45 < hdaalz> amd duron 750 13:45 < jammcq> how much ram ? 13:45 < hdaalz> 512mb 13:45 < jammcq> 512 on the client ? 13:45 < hdaalz> well it has xp on at the mo 13:46 < jammcq> ah, so 512 was really needed :) 13:46 < hdaalz> yup heh 13:46 < jammcq> ok, so, press Alt-Shift-Backspace and go back through the messages 13:47 < guugmember> can LTSP launch XP terminals? 13:47 < hdaalz> right, you'll have to tell me beforeI do it. the client is in another room 13:47 < jammcq> NO, but ltsp can REPLACE XP terminals 13:47 < hdaalz> what am i looking for ? 13:47 < guugmember> jammcq: what could be a good title for an article to encourage people to use LTSP? 13:49 < jammcq> hdaalz: all the way back to the etherboot messages, you should see where the kernel started executing 13:49 < jammcq> it should determine how much ram you have, and you'll probably see an error about a ramdisk 13:49 < hdaalz> ok, let me check 13:49 < Snafu> hmm thats weird .. how could it load a kernel/ramdisk combo and miss the ramdisk unles the image is just plain bad ... 13:49 < prpplague> jammcq: why not just cat /proc/meminfo ? 13:50 < jammcq> prpplague: cuz it panic'd 13:50 < Snafu> ram shortage .. ya ok ... but .. 13:50 < prpplague> jammcq: oh 13:50 < jammcq> Snafu: prolly a problem detecting the ram, and finding a place to put the initrd 13:51 < jammcq> we had a major pain with some 486's and early pentiums not being able to detect the ram 13:51 < jammcq> turned out to be a bug in mknbi-linux at that point 13:51 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 13:51 < Snafu> weird memeory hole setting in bios ? ya ive see some bios with that ... and thee is the os2/nonos2 setting 13:52 < Snafu> and i guess ya force it by passing the mem="512M" in a kernel append etc .. 13:52 < jammcq> yep, zackly how we got around the problem 13:53 < Snafu> and ive seen board miss anything above 16M as well as other misss all above 64M 13:53 < hdaalz> there is no ram disk errors 13:54 < jammcq> hdaalz: you need to read each line. up near the beginning, it should show how much ram was detected, and you should see where it detected a filesystem to mount as root 13:54 < Snafu> even worse are old boards that have a 64M limeted dma controller (opps) and your floppy goes away after a day or so etc ... 13:56 < Snafu> hd your rev lookup deal was another problem in wait .. so its not as if we didnt do some "good" things . 13:57 < Snafu> grr my setup uses pure NFS root .. and i didnt think about the initrd ... next time ill do better dad ... promise .. 14:01 < hdaalz> alt+shift+backspace doesn't work 14:01 < jammcq> yeah, I think it's a different sequence, lemme see 14:02 < hdaalz> alt+ctlr+backspace sets the machine into a power saving like state though heh 14:02 < Snafu> also nned to make sure he is using a kernel/initrd bundle and not an .... shift+backspace should work too 14:02 < jammcq> ah, not backspce, it is PageUp 14:02 < jammcq> alt+shift+PageUp 14:02 < hdaalz> alt+shift+pageup? 14:02 < hdaalz> ok 14:03 < hdaalz> where should thie kernel panic happen ? 14:03 < Snafu> misfired nurons get ya sometimes .. 14:03 < jammcq> the panic is the LAST thing you see 14:03 < jammcq> you are trying to see what led up to the panic 14:03 < hdaalz> ok 14:03 < jammcq> so, scroll all the way back to the beginning 14:03 < jammcq> see where the kernel command line is. 14:03 < jammcq> you should see something like: init=/linuxrc 14:08 < hdaalz> ok, i've fixed the mount problem 14:08 < hdaalz> the keyboard alt+shift+pageup didn't work 14:09 < hdaalz> wen't into the bios and disabled all the power management and it booted past it 14:09 < hdaalz> got permission errors for nfs now ;) 14:09 < hdaalz> yay 14:10 < jammcq> cool 14:10 < jammcq> ok, do this on the server: showmount -e 14:11 < hdaalz> /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 14:11 < hdaalz> /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 14:11 < jammcq> ok, what is the IP address of your workstation ? 14:11 < hdaalz> 192.168.0.200 14:13 -!- nine_finger [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 14:13 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.147.97] has quit [] 14:17 -!- lupo__ [~lupo@pD9E68787.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 14:17 < lupo__> hi 14:18 < lupo__> is it possible to display a login manager on a terminal but not display it on the terminal server itself 14:18 < lupo__> ? 14:18 < jammcq> yes 14:18 < jammcq> which display manager are you using ? 14:19 < prpplague> lupo__: just run the server in run level 3, lol 14:19 < lupo__> it's not my system, one moment, i'll ask the guy :) 14:19 < jammcq> prpplague: umm, I don't think so :) 14:19 < prpplague> jammcq: why not? 14:19 < hdaalz> ok, it boots now to a kernel panic: killing init 14:19 < prpplague> jammcq: thats the way we do ours 14:19 < jammcq> cuz that will shut down the display manager, causing nobody to get a graphic login 14:19 < hdaalz> line above says /sbin/init not found ? 14:19 < lupo__> prpplague: ?dm must run, but not be displayed 14:20 < jammcq> it's a simple change to the display mgr config, but first, we need to know which dm 14:20 < prpplague> jammcq: oh thats right, you guys change the inittab 14:20 < jammcq> no 14:20 < lupo__> xdm 14:20 < jammcq> xdm? that's easy. edit the /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers file 14:20 < jammcq> comment out the only entry in there, which is what causes the Xserver to run on the console with xdm starts up 14:21 < prpplague> jammcq: no? i thought you editied the inittab to use a specific dm, instead of using the prefdm entry 14:21 < lupo__> does that Xservers entry work for kdm too? 14:22 < prpplague> jammcq: i must be way behind on ltsp, lol 14:22 * prpplague shuts up now 14:23 < jammcq> lupo__: yes, for kdm you'd edit the same file 14:23 < lupo__> great 14:23 < jammcq> for gdm, you have to edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf 14:23 < lupo__> jammcq: what would it look like for gdm? (which entries) 14:24 < jammcq> lupo__: down near the bottom, I think the section is '[Servers]' 14:26 < lupo__> thank you very much, jim 14:28 < hdaalz> what is the cause of this Jul 5 19:30:06 net rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted ? 14:29 < hdaalz> also Jul 5 19:30:06 net rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws_01:690 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) 14:29 < jammcq> do you have local_apps turned on in your lts.conf file ? 14:29 < prpplague> jammcq: biz still going well for ya? 14:29 < jammcq> prpplague: yeah, pretty well 14:30 < hdaalz> i fixed the /sbin/init problem. the install.sh created two i386 folders. i386 and i386.1 14:30 < hdaalz> i think it mayb e related 14:30 < hdaalz> i rm i386.1 14:30 < hdaalz> er, i386 and mv i386.1 i386 14:30 < jammcq> hdaalz: ok, do this: exportfs -ra 14:31 < hdaalz> :( its blank 14:31 < hdaalz> nm 14:31 < jammcq> ok 14:31 < hdaalz> should be 14:31 < hdaalz> heh 14:31 < jammcq> reboot the client 14:33 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-203-025-225.paemt7003.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 14:33 < mistik1> jammcq: you've reposted? 14:33 < jammcq> mistik1: huh ? 14:33 < mistik1> the kernel package 14:33 < jammcq> working on it now 14:33 < jammcq> sf is pathetic 14:33 < mistik1> It really is 14:34 < hdaalz> oohhh its booted 14:34 < lupo__> the sf UI was written by a 3-year-old, i think 14:34 < hdaalz> but its trying to load x now, and its just flashing at me 14:35 -!- lanius [heino@p508E3556.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 14:36 < mistik1> so you just need to set the XSERVER in lts.conf now 14:36 < mistik1> jammcq: just found out my bro is in Windsor again 14:37 < hdaalz> ok playing with that now 14:37 < jammcq> mistik1: cool 14:37 < hdaalz> thx for your help ppl :) 14:39 -!- midori [~midori@pcp04018338pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:39 < jammcq> see that... you were ready to give up on that box 14:43 -!- midori [~midori@pcp04018338pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 14:43 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:43 < hdaalz> yup, true 14:44 < lupo__> btw, which file on the client's NFS determines that X queries for the terminal server? 14:45 < jammcq> huh ? 14:46 < lupo__> or is X started directly? 14:46 * lupo__ is not up to date with LTSP internals 14:46 < lupo__> X -dpi 100 -broadcast ? 14:47 < jammcq> oh, that is the /tmp/start_ws script that gets built automatically as the client boots up. the rc.setupx is the script doing the dirty work 14:47 < lupo__> okay 14:57 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-2256.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:57 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-3774.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 15:02 -!- lanius [heino@p508E3556.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 15:09 < hdaalz> what window manager works well ? 15:09 < lupo__> hdaalz: no religious questions here! :) 15:10 < hdaalz> heh 15:10 < hdaalz> would xpde be fast enough ? 15:10 < lupo__> never used it 15:11 < lupo__> do you have ex-windows users? 15:11 < hdaalz> gimme an idea of a good client 15:12 < hdaalz> kde/gnome maybe a bit too slow over the network ? 15:12 < lupo__> depends on the network. what do you have? 15:12 < hdaalz> 100mbit 15:13 < lupo__> kde works quite fine with that 15:13 < lupo__> just make sure that noone enables all the bells and whistles 15:13 < lupo__> what kind of environment do you have? internet cafe, school, business, or just experimenting? 15:13 < hdaalz> just playing 15:14 < lupo__> ah ok 15:14 < hdaalz> at the moment i'm using my dads machine. he just uses it for browsing pages and chat 15:15 < hdaalz> i'd like to move all the machines here to thin clients so I can get an xbox heh 15:15 < lupo__> then kde is fine, and as you have only 1 client, it works without trouble. just don't use kde on a 10-mbit BNC network. :) 15:15 < lupo__> how many machines will run? switch or hub? 15:15 < hdaalz> 4 machines at most, via switch 15:16 < lupo__> use a full desktop environment for the users' pleasure. KDE is newbie-friendly, Gnome 1.4 not that much but i don't know what Gnome 2 looks like. 15:17 < hdaalz> ok, how do i set the clients x window manager? 15:17 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-3774.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:17 < hdaalz> before it be in ~/.xinitrc 15:18 < lupo__> depends 15:18 < lupo__> what distribution do you use? 15:18 < hdaalz> redhat 15:19 < hdaalz> hmm, what do the clients run as their own 'root' ? 15:19 < lupo__> you mean, root directory? 15:20 < hdaalz> i'm not sure myself lol 15:20 < lupo__> hehe 15:20 < hdaalz> when I started this little adventure I thought it use the same user settings as the server has local 15:21 < lupo__> it doesn't :) 15:21 < hdaalz> but it seems everything is make up as the client connects 15:21 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:23 < lupo__> you mean, when you log in on the terminal, the hard disk contents looks like on the terminal server? 15:23 < hdaalz> no, like the xf86 config is made up for the machine when it connects 15:24 < hdaalz> the settings are taken from the lts.conf and used to serv up a config for x 15:24 < lupo__> yeah 15:24 < lupo__> right 15:24 < lupo__> that's how it works. a bit unconvential, but it works. 15:25 < hdaalz> i understand that (kinda :) just wondering where to set the windowmanager then ? 15:26 < lupo__> redhat should provide a facility to choose the window manager. with the kde login manager, you can configure a list of possible window managers that a user can choose from when he logs in. 15:29 -!- geo_ [~geo@209.94.82.200] has joined #ltsp 15:29 < lupo__> sorry, i've never used red hat. 15:32 < hdaalz> ok thx 15:38 < guugmember> I am going to be in chicago 13/8 - 17/8 any LTSP courses there_ 15:38 < guugmember> ? 15:40 < guugmember> jammcq: are you Jim McQuillan_ 15:40 < guugmember> ? 15:41 < lupo__> he is 15:41 < guugmember> wow 15:43 < guugmember> what is the difference between LTSP and the 70`s tech, with a big computer and dummy terminals? besides thre graphicall aspect 15:43 < guugmember> s/thre/the 15:45 < hdaalz> its cheaper 15:46 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 15:46 < lupo__> besides the technical details and the possibility of graphics, there is virtually none. 15:50 < guugmember> can LTSP be called a Linux package? 15:51 < hdaalz> you can call it anything you want :) 15:51 < guugmember> hdaalz: how would you call it? 15:52 < hdaalz> i'd call it a ltsp 15:53 < lupo__> it is a package which contains a minimum gnu/linux operating environment for terminals 15:53 < lupo__> so, it can be considered a mini-distribution, too. 15:53 < guugmember> lupo__: thnx, that is called help 15:53 < hdaalz> remember, its not how you say/call linux, its important that you use it 15:54 < hdaalz> mini-distribution(s) ? 15:55 < lupo__> hdaalz: yes, a mini distribution. 15:55 < guugmember> hdaalz: I have to write down an article for a paper 15:56 < lupo__> well then, ask questions as much as you want. 15:56 < guugmember> I am in central america, and not too many people know what linux is 15:56 < lupo__> oh 15:56 < lupo__> what a pity 15:56 < lupo__> given the chances associated with it 15:56 < guugmember> so I have to make my article as clear as possible 15:56 < lupo__> so you write about linux or ltsp? 15:56 < hdaalz> guugmember, good luck :) 15:56 < guugmember> pity? what is that 15:57 < lupo__> sorry, british english 15:57 < guugmember> I am writing using linux with ltps 15:57 < lupo__> "what a pity" is roughly equal to "that's too bad" 15:57 < guugmember> lupo__: but believe me, there is money here to spend 15:58 < lupo__> money? it's recession time i thought. 15:59 < lupo__> anyway, gnu/linux makes a great operating environment 15:59 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:00 < lupo__> i'm here in germany, and every week a couple of schools switch to gnu/linux based terminals, because it's cheaper and easier to administrate 16:00 -!- bails [~bails@modem-3774.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 16:00 -!- bails [~bails@modem-3774.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 16:00 < hdaalz> lupo__, lots of the uk govenment buildings are now switchin over to linux 16:01 < hdaalz> I hear the US government is trying to do the same 16:02 < lupo__> in the US, it's a war between MS lobbying and local activists, I think 16:02 < hdaalz> microsoft back hands more like, i bet 16:03 < lupo__> hard to tell from here 16:04 < hdaalz> does it always seen like, just out of the blue microsoft get away with things when new judge overturns 16:04 < hdaalz> maybe its the websites I read, press having a go at ms to make them look bad or somert 16:05 < hdaalz> maybe i wanna be bill, the richest man in the world 16:05 < hdaalz> hmm, i'd buy 1 of everything 16:07 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 16:09 < lupo__> as i said, hard to tell. :) 16:20 -!- lupo__ [~lupo@pD9E68787.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 16:33 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-203-025-225.paemt7003.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:52 -!- midori [~midori@pcp04018338pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:00 -!- guugmember [~nramos@remote206-225.gua.net] has left #ltsp ["Aplicación Saliendo"] 17:12 < Zaw> in my XF86Config file for the Jammin 125, do i want to use 'cyrix' as my device identifier? 17:21 -!- jocks [~jocks@217.158.166.50] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/981227-pre0.9"] 17:25 -!- midori [~midori@pcp04018338pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 17:30 -!- Mealz [~heyda@lil-56k-056.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 17:30 < Mealz> Hello? 17:31 < Mealz> I just tried to download the new LPP Kernel and funny things happened 17:31 < Mealz> It got to the 11.4 mg mark and kept downloading? 17:32 < Mealz> it says 14mg of 11.4!! 17:32 < Mealz> what is goin on? 17:35 -!- f [~carlos@200.56.191.227] has joined #ltsp 17:35 < f> hi 17:36 < Mealz> Hello 17:36 < Snafu> i hate mickysoft shitware n co and those that use it ... and it their fault 17:36 < f> Snafu WHAT? 17:36 < Snafu> best tool for job i say live and let live .. i dont care of im the only non-winblows guy ... 17:37 -!- f is now known as carlos-aka-pedro 17:37 < carlos-aka-pedro> hi Mealz 17:37 < Snafu> but they want to take my choice away .. they wont share even if im the only one .. they wont allow it .. 17:37 < Mealz> hi 17:37 < Mealz> do you know anything about the new lpp kernel? 17:40 -!- midori [~midori@pcp04018338pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 17:41 < carlos-aka-pedro> yeah, I know you can put cute images while booting your terminal 17:41 < carlos-aka-pedro> what are you talking about Snafu' 17:42 < carlos-aka-pedro> btw, Mealz: yeah, I know you can put cute images while booting your terminal with lpp, the linux progress patch 17:43 < Mealz> i just realised the new lpp package isnt the kernel its the kernel source and i have to build it :) 17:44 < Snafu> in the os2 days every time a company would start an os2 program .. mickysoft would make threat to remove all support and inside info if they didnt drop all os2 app plans . 17:45 < Mealz> Snafu what are you on about? 17:45 < Snafu> left alone that company would have gotten my money .. and me the program .. but due to mickysoft we got neither, cheating both of us . 17:49 < Snafu> Mickysoft is the islamofacist of software ... "Convert to Winblows or DIE ! Infidel ! 17:54 -!- Mealz [~heyda@lil-56k-056.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 17:57 < carlos-aka-pedro> haha Im a complete infidel because I do not even know how to use Windows XP 17:57 < carlos-aka-pedro> win 2000 was the last bug I ever used 17:57 < Snafu> linux survives because the old methods to kill it dont work ... 17:58 < carlos-aka-pedro> since then I have upgraded to linux 17:58 < Snafu> it might never rule the masses .. but at least mickysoft cant take my choice away .. like they did woth os2 .. 17:58 < carlos-aka-pedro> Shafu I am running a linux only diskless cyber cafe, all clients use is Mozilla, AMSN and OOO 17:59 < carlos-aka-pedro> I have already forgotten about M$ ;) 18:00 < Snafu> back in the win31 days .. you could have done that with winblows ( ignoring the other issues ) we had close to 1000 diskless seats booting of a novell running compaq systempro that ran a single 486-50 ( the hotest chip at the time ) 18:01 < carlos-aka-pedro> haha those where the days! 18:02 < Snafu> but winblows from dumbfuck95 on up dont do the diskless thing very well ... and the I/O on an 8 Xeon wonblows server cant do what that old 486 running novell could do .. even with 1000X the power .. 18:02 < Snafu> so with a client that cant remote and a server that cant actually serve what choice did they leave us with ? 18:03 < Snafu> linux is a natural .. but again ... your an infidel .. convert or Die !! 18:04 -!- paperclip_ [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 18:05 < carlos-aka-pedro> well I am a happy infidel, in a month I gathered 150 new linux users at my cyber cafe and numbers are rising 18:06 < Snafu> well the best part is that it dont crash .. and it dont corrupt itself as it runs .. and the users cant touch system files etc .. 18:07 < Snafu> even without the other atvantages .. it saves you lots of labor, and save you having to watch what they do so close ... 18:08 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:09 < Snafu> for some things its a natural fit .. there used to be lots of companies making diskless xterms for a while 18:10 < Snafu> so that 6 people could "share" an expensive sun sparcstation etc .. 18:11 < Snafu> but in many cases ... diskless terms make sense for many more reasons than just saving money .. 18:11 < Snafu> not that saving money isnt pretty good by itself ... 18:12 < Snafu> in that old 1000 seat diskless winblows setup .. it meant a network that large could be maintained with 3 people .. 18:13 < Snafu> instaed of needing a whole large department that did nothing but workstation reloads of corrupted winblows boxes 18:14 < Snafu> so yeah on your cyber cafe deal it means you can let em do what they want ... they wont/cant really hurt anything ... 18:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> I love best the fact that I configure once and all other workstations are fixed 18:16 < carlos-aka-pedro> I can reinstall my complete working system in 30 min 18:16 < Snafu> thats how it was for the 1000 seat novel server ... they simply had a test tree exported to test changes with ... 18:16 < carlos-aka-pedro> and the added value of saving clients files is a great plus that hurts my competitors 18:17 < carlos-aka-pedro> wqelcome to linux 18:18 < Snafu> worst they could do is erase the home dir .. but thats easy to restore and dont affect other seats .. 18:18 < carlos-aka-pedro> my problem is shockwave, the crossover plugin brakes my mozilla and Id be braking my infidelity by running M$ related code ;) 18:18 < Snafu> ya flash isnt much more friendly 18:19 < carlos-aka-pedro> 'chmod 700 /home/*' will prohibit users from touching other peoples files 18:19 < carlos-aka-pedro> well at least I get a slow flash, that IS a great help 18:19 < Snafu> but for that layout ... you dont even want animated gifs .. they suck up cpu and bandwidth ... 18:19 < carlos-aka-pedro> since JAVA runs so nic, maybe flash will to in the future 18:21 < carlos-aka-pedro> Snafu thats what bigger processors are for ;) 18:21 < Snafu> he me i would filter out all that junk .. eye-candy is useless 18:21 -!- bill [~bill@64.27.213.176] has joined #ltsp 18:21 < Snafu> but thats me ... 18:22 < carlos-aka-pedro> and broadband, sometimes I wattch at most of my clients only using AMSN and I think to myself: YOU IDIOTS ARE WASTING PROCESSOR POWER AND BANDWIDTH! heehe 18:22 < carlos-aka-pedro> Snafu I sell recreational eyecandy ;) 18:23 < carlos-aka-pedro> and of course eyecandy is not meaningfull in some cases, ie AMSN, its very different to the current MSN, people dont care because they are happy talking to friends and fam 18:23 < Snafu> welp im a brainsucker in the finest tradition i want the text, mo info mo slack hail Bob ! 18:24 < carlos-aka-pedro> but I must admit that I waited for flash version 6 to come out stable until I actually openned my cyber cafe, greetings.yahoo.com would have been useless without it 18:25 < bill> hi guys ... I got as far as Loading192.168.x.xxx:tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1 dot dot dot dot dot ... seven dots so far. I gotta be close. What did I miss? 18:25 < Snafu> i suppose you offer wifi too ? 18:25 < carlos-aka-pedro> many public users expct flash and shockwave to work 18:25 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill you are close 18:25 < carlos-aka-pedro> let me see 18:25 < bill> I know ... I can smell it. I've had it running before in a different setup. 18:26 < Snafu> terminals wifi ... and too-expensive coffee .. and you would giggle all the way to the bank ... 18:26 < paperclip_> carlos-aka-pedro: what sort of authentication/accounting do you use? 18:26 < bill> hosts.conf? exports? 18:30 < Snafu> do ifconfig on the server whats the err rate on the card 18:30 < bill> 0 18:31 < bill> oops wrong line 18:31 < Snafu> ya p0erhaps its just a weak tranciver or a bum cable .. 18:31 < Snafu> i need coffee brb 18:31 < bill> RX packets:93199 errors:3 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 18:31 < bill> TX packets:41389 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:0 18:31 < bill> collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 18:37 < Snafu> welp fire up tftp on the server see it ya can download the kernel from itself 18:37 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ retgular /etc/passwd|shadow|group files 18:37 < paperclip_> ahh.. 18:37 < bill> how? 18:37 < carlos-aka-pedro> why do you ask? 18:37 < paperclip_> i'm looking to do something like ldap/kerberos 18:37 < paperclip_> well.. i plan on opening a cafe.. 18:37 < carlos-aka-pedro> with windows? 18:37 < paperclip_> no 18:38 < paperclip_> =) 18:38 < carlos-aka-pedro> no windows? 18:38 < paperclip_> a front door.. 18:38 < carlos-aka-pedro> me too, stick to the simplest form 18:38 < Snafu> paper success belongs to the simple you really dont need some fancy directory service .. 18:39 < paperclip_> well.. i also plan on having ppl using wifi and lan ports with their own laptops.. 18:39 < Snafu> heh to me even pam is a sin ... ;=) 18:39 < paperclip_> so they either are wide open.. or i have some sort of authentication.. 18:39 < carlos-aka-pedro> I have 1 server and 10 workstations, no fancy business, I have reinstalled the OS twice without touching /home and backing up /etc only 18:40 < paperclip_> also i plan on having a print server for the ltsp clients and the laptops.. 18:40 < paperclip_> it would be nice (to me) to use a central service for all that stuff 18:40 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ in that case use 3 lan cards on the server, eth0 to the firewall, eth1 to the diskless workstations and the third to the wireless router 18:41 < Snafu> welp if they know enough to mount shares off the server ... what laptop cant do the same ? have em mount shares off their laptop instead they are the "passwd" maintainers ... not you .. 18:41 < paperclip_> well.. i'd rather not have the non-ltsp folks get near the ltsp server.. 18:41 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ I used to have my own workstation at the entrance, I moved it into the cliets area to have more concurrent users because it is more proffitable ;) 18:41 < paperclip_> heh 18:42 < carlos-aka-pedro> add SAMBA and share homes ONLY 18:42 < carlos-aka-pedro> for the windows laptops 18:43 < paperclip_> so you would put samba on the ltsp server? 18:43 < Snafu> you can script a smb mount for users ... so the burden of security is them not you ... 18:43 < bill> okay ... did a man for tftp and found the secret monkey code for downloading to myself and this is the thanks I got :-) 18:43 < bill> tftp> get /tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1 18:43 < bill> Transfer timed out. 18:43 < carlos-aka-pedro> I allow a few laptops to connect to my lan and have also set up squid and socks5 for them to use any net service 18:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 18:44 < paperclip_> so do they authenticate in anyway to get to the internet? 18:44 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill what is your distribution? 18:44 < Snafu> Bill so tail the files in /var/log/ 18:44 < paperclip_> or is that all "human" ? 18:44 < bill> mandrake 9.0 18:45 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 18:45 < Snafu> and /tftpboot/ should not be needed in the path 18:45 < carlos-aka-pedro> paste the result here of 'grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 18:45 < carlos-aka-pedro> ' 18:45 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill I have mandrake too 18:46 < bill> bill@elisha ~$ grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 18:46 < bill> grep: /etc/xinetd.d/tftp: No such file or directory 18:46 < Snafu> heheh 18:47 < bill> okay ... so how do I put it there? What should it contain? 18:47 < Snafu> or more to the point is tftpd even installed heh 18:48 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ tftp 18:48 < bill> tftp> 18:48 < Snafu> btw y might need root to see that dir ... 18:48 < bill> yep ... if not installed, there would be no prompt returned 18:48 < carlos-aka-pedro> urpmi tftpd 18:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 18:49 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill run this command as root 'urpmi tftpd' 18:49 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ urpmi tftpd 18:49 < bill> no package named tftpd 18:49 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ 18:49 < carlos-aka-pedro> urpmi tftp-server 18:49 < carlos-aka-pedro> sorry 18:49 < carlos-aka-pedro> I add them with rpmdrake ;) 18:49 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ rpm -qa | grep tftp 18:49 < bill> tftp-0.29-2mdk 18:50 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 18:50 < paperclip_> carlos-aka-pedro: do you charge by the hour? 18:50 < carlos-aka-pedro> 1 buck an hour 18:50 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ urpmi tftp-server 18:50 < bill> no package named tftp-server 18:50 < carlos-aka-pedro> I am full at all times 18:50 < carlos-aka-pedro> run 'rpmdrake' 18:50 < carlos-aka-pedro> search for tftp 18:51 < carlos-aka-pedro> whyle you are at it, search for 'nfs', 'portmap' and 'dhcp-server' 18:51 < paperclip_> so.. you just look at the time and charge ppl on the way out? 18:52 < bill> rpmdrake reports search results none 18:52 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ there is a local cell phone company that advertizes with 'fair by-the-minute charges' , so I just used their slogan ;) 18:52 < paperclip_> heh 18:53 < paperclip_> i plan on making customers pre-pay for "units" 18:53 < carlos-aka-pedro> look for tft* into the CDs 18:53 < paperclip_> probably 15-minute blocks.. 18:53 < carlos-aka-pedro> btw bill, I strongly suggest 9.1 and after installation do online upgrade, it fixes many bugs 18:54 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ I have a 2 bucks for 3 hours promotion 18:54 < bill> something is bad messed up here. Rpmdrake can't find ANY of that stuff 18:55 < paperclip_> but how do you know they've used 3 hours.. utmp wtmp? 18:55 < carlos-aka-pedro> that promotion has given me a great boost, I have no minimums but kids are the only ones paying for 15 minutes and when I tell them times is over they pay me another 30 min 18:56 < paperclip_> heh.. 18:56 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill get into the CD, find the package and urpmi complete/path/to/tftp-*rpm 18:56 < paperclip_> so .. if they pay for 3 hours.. and then use 2 hours and leave.. that's it.. they don't have an hour left, eh? 18:56 < carlos-aka-pedro> 17 y/o and up just sit and cout time themselves 18:57 < paperclip_> =) 18:57 < paperclip_> well.. i'm not going to be able to trust/watch everyone.. 18:57 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ no, they pay for 2 hours and get 1 hour free 18:57 < paperclip_> can they come back later and use the third hour? 18:58 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ do a 'last | grep still' 18:58 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ its a promotion, they leave, they lose their free hour 18:58 < paperclip_> heh.. i see.. 18:59 < paperclip_> do they ever get to keep remaining time? 18:59 < carlos-aka-pedro> BUT you have to put it in writing at the promos ad, in case you get complains, just point to the sign 18:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 18:59 < paperclip_> heh 19:00 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:01 < paperclip_> well.. i think i'm going to write up some sort of draft for my *planned* network.... services.. hardware.. etc.. and see what you guys think.. 19:01 < carlos-aka-pedro> I was worried my server wouldnt take the load, I gave them all IceWM and added 1 gig to the serverm, after opening I found out that ppl only want AMSN hehe 19:01 < paperclip_> heh 19:01 < paperclip_> i think icewm is a good choice.. 19:01 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ my suggestion is open asap and add services as you need them 19:02 < carlos-aka-pedro> thats what Ive done, and with mandrakes clanlyness Ive been able to deliver 19:02 < paperclip_> well.. part of my plan doesn't involve me tweaking the computers all the time.. 19:02 < paperclip_> so i'd like to get it all setup with a nice web interface for the clerk 19:02 < carlos-aka-pedro> I donwt tweak, you will need to do tests 19:02 < paperclip_> do you have coffee/food? 19:04 < carlos-aka-pedro> a coke fridge, all the chips you can think of and a cleaning crew hehehe 19:04 < paperclip_> heh 19:05 < carlos-aka-pedro> I can also make sandwiches, many ppl eat while chatting 19:05 < paperclip_> so.. no complaints about linux yet? 19:05 < carlos-aka-pedro> I buy individual prepackaged mustard, mayo, jalapeño sauce and dry sandwiches, clients add the stuff 19:06 < Snafu> linux blinux ... would most know the difference ? 19:06 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ most people dont even realize they are on linux with IceWM with win95 theme 19:06 < paperclip_> some.. 19:06 < paperclip_> heh.. 19:06 < paperclip_> did you leave the themes menu? 19:06 < carlos-aka-pedro> just 1 kid said -this is not windows is it? 19:07 < Snafu> hell those that need to borrow a machine most often dont have their own ... 19:07 < paperclip_> interesting.. 19:07 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 19:07 < bill> server_args = -s /var/lib/tftpboot 19:07 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill edit /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 19:07 < paperclip_> it's just that all the linux cafes i've seen mentioned aren't in the US 19:07 < mistik1> debian 19:07 < paperclip_> i wonder if the gringos are picky 19:07 < carlos-aka-pedro> the ral path is 'server_args = -s /tftpboot' 19:07 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill the real path is 'server_args = -s /tftpboot' 19:08 < mistik1> he dont have to 19:08 < mistik1> not if he dont want to go against his distros setup 19:08 < Snafu> paper for good reason ... in the US they carry their own 3,000 $ laptop and buy 6 dollar expressos and suck coffee and wifi ... 19:08 < bill> xinetd.d/tftp duly edited 19:08 < paperclip_> yeah.. 6 dollar espresso =) 19:08 < Snafu> paper it because we are rich pigs ... 19:08 < paperclip_> yeah.. 19:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:09 < paperclip_> i really don't expect to make much on the computer side of things.. 19:09 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill 'service xinetd restart' 19:09 < paperclip_> but it would stink if ppl rejected the terminals as some cheap knockoff 19:09 < Snafu> not that is some areas it might make sense ... out here a dsl feed is impossible to get ... 19:10 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:10 < bill> done ... I remembered that part 19:10 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ you have to work for the market you plan to attack, I am NOT in the wiondows lan gaming marken, but I do plan on competing later with workstations that have NVIDIA video cards for gaing and gigabit lan 19:10 < bill> :-) 19:10 < paperclip_> yeah gaming is something that would be very tricky.. 19:10 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ I put my cyber cafe in a low income community, where computers are a luxury but ALL students need it 19:10 < paperclip_> however frozen-bubble is the best game ever 19:11 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:11 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ it is possible, all you need is NVIDIA 19:11 < bill> after editing the tftp file I get "file not found" from the workstation 19:11 < Snafu> but if you offer coffee and wifi ... ya will get the fat cats too ... as long as the rest are not too roudy and dont smell too bad .... 19:11 < paperclip_> yeah.. and probably a decent cpu 19:11 < Snafu> just being close to a shop that sells coffee is good enough ... 19:11 < paperclip_> what's nice about server side stuff.. is that you can use a 486 if you want.. 19:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> I will get in touch with NESTLE, in mexico they give you a free coffee machine for exclusivity ;) 19:12 < paperclip_> yeah.. there are some deals like that here.. but none with espresso machines.. 19:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> a free coke fridge for guess what? exclusivity!!! 19:13 < paperclip_> yeah.. 19:13 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ too bad, no expressos, once you make the money for the expresso machine, buy it 19:13 < carlos-aka-pedro> a free linux distro for what? exclusivity!!! hahaah 19:13 < paperclip_> i'll probably lease one.. 19:13 < paperclip_> heh 19:13 < paperclip_> which games would you offer if you did have nvidia? 19:13 < carlos-aka-pedro> dont bet on it 19:13 < paperclip_> i use an ATI BTW =) 19:14 < carlos-aka-pedro> as a businessman I suggest no loans, leases nor anything that will drag your proffits, clients will not leave just çbecause you dont have expressos 19:14 < carlos-aka-pedro> paperclip_ anything, I think the ws to visit is icculus.org or something 19:15 < paperclip_> /join #icculus.org 19:15 < paperclip_> =) 19:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> on and the frozenbubble game is a hit, Ive taken kids from other cyber cafes because there is no frozen-bubble there hehehe 19:16 < paperclip_> heh.. yeah.. i was amazed how well it worked on my test machines.. 19:16 < Snafu> later ya can offer a private booth ( for quiet and spredding papers across the desk .. someplace the young suit can hide from the "natives" .... 19:16 < paperclip_> i ran some of the xscreensavers on a few clients.. and then played f-b 19:17 < paperclip_> amazing =) 19:17 < kungfuftr> morning all! 19:17 < Snafu> heh if games are popular setup swome booths for UT heh 19:17 < paperclip_> i just wonder what a reasonable cpu/gfx card would be.. seems like gamers have to get the latest 19:18 < Snafu> dollar/hour for fragging 19:18 < paperclip_> a head to head cabinet would be cool =) 19:18 < paperclip_> with like it's own server.. 19:18 < kungfuftr> mame cab run from ltsp would be nice! 19:18 < paperclip_> yeah.. unfortunately.. everything i use must be explicitly legal/licensed 19:18 < Snafu> ya most wouldnt have a gig CPU and a 32m nvidia card .. 19:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:19 < carlos-aka-pedro> hum, I have no rich clients, Im full of students who need to print their homework 19:19 < paperclip_> as it is.. i think the perfect client is the epia 5000.. fanless diskless.. lowpower.. all in one mobo.. pxe boot.. 19:19 < kungfuftr> you wanna be running neverwinter nights in cafe's... dedicated group of people 19:19 < paperclip_> but it would stink at games.. 19:20 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:20 < kungfuftr> they'll play for hours and hours and hours 19:20 < paperclip_> also.. i'm not so sure that wine/winex are really viable solutions.. 19:20 < paperclip_> so that leaves native games.. 19:20 < paperclip_> which are few and far between 19:20 < kungfuftr> well, beowulf over ltsp would be an intresting concept 19:20 < bill> okay ... I got dhcpd.conf edited and tftpd installed / started. What now? 19:21 < carlos-aka-pedro> many kids use the regular games that come in mandrakes packages 19:21 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill are you past the .......? 19:21 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 19:21 < paperclip_> yeah.. 19:22 < bill> no ... getting "file not found / sleep" 19:22 < paperclip_> did you customize the icewm menus? or just leave them like mandrake sets them? 19:22 < kungfuftr> bill-> you got NFS setup? 19:22 < Snafu> /tftpboot/ should not be needed in the path 19:22 < bill> not sure. 19:23 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill double check the installatio doc, you have to match names 19:23 < bill> yeah .. ps -ax | grep nfs sows 8 entries 19:23 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill good 19:23 < carlos-aka-pedro> did you restart all services? 19:24 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill check my mandrake installation notes, there are cool links at the bottom http://geocities.com/cucnews/ 19:24 < bill> what names am I looking to match and please clue me in on the restart. I have been trying to recall how to do that for the past several minutes 19:24 < carlos-aka-pedro> but the docs troubleshooting is a life saver 19:24 < carlos-aka-pedro> 'service dhcpd restart' 19:25 < bill> I have restarted dhcpd and tftp twice 19:25 < carlos-aka-pedro> for each new workstation, you need to add it to: hosts, dhcpd.conf AND lts.conf 19:26 < carlos-aka-pedro> you cant restart tftp, you have to restart xinetd 19:26 < carlos-aka-pedro> 'service xinetd restart' 19:27 < carlos-aka-pedro> plus NFS and PORTMAP 19:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:33 < bill> according to ps -ax | grep, portmap, nfs, tftp and dhcpd are all running 19:33 < jammcq> there's a much better way to check it 19:33 < jammcq> turn on the workstation, what happens ? 19:34 < bill> Hey James ... I knew you'd jump in eventually! :-) 19:34 < carlos-aka-pedro> ji 19:34 < jammcq> if it doesn't get an IP address, then you have a dhcp problem 19:34 < carlos-aka-pedro> hi 19:34 < jammcq> if it does get an ip address, but can't download a kernel, then you have a tftp problem 19:34 < bill> It knows its IP addy 19:34 < carlos-aka-pedro> Jim my nick is dedicated to you 19:34 < jammcq> if it does get a kernel, but doesn't mount the root fs, then you have a portmap or nfs problem 19:34 < bill> okay ... I gots a tftp problem 19:35 < jammcq> ok, now you have something to look at, instead of looking at ALL of the services 19:35 < carlos-aka-pedro> jammcq I already fixed his xinetd.d/tftpd problem 19:35 < jammcq> divide and conquer 19:35 < jammcq> that's how you troubleshoot a problem 19:35 < jammcq> carlos-aka-pedro: what problem did he have ? 19:36 < carlos-aka-pedro> mandrakes /etc/xinetd.d/tftp server args path 19:36 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed it back to /tftpboot/ 19:36 < jammcq> bill: ok, you have a tftp problem. do this: netstat -an | grep ":69 " 19:37 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ netstat -an | grep ":69" 19:37 < bill> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 19:37 < bill> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 19:37 < bill> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 19:37 < bill> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 19:37 < carlos-aka-pedro> jammcq do you have a fact sheet to help you respond here, or did you write ' netstat -an | grep ":69 "' from memory? ...Ive always wondered that ;) 19:37 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill good 19:37 < jammcq> carlos-aka-pedro: it's like common sense to me 19:38 < carlos-aka-pedro> ohh 19:38 < carlos-aka-pedro> hehe 19:38 < jammcq> bill: is there really 4 lines ? 19:38 < bill> yes 19:38 < jammcq> ok, do this: grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf 19:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:39 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf 19:39 < bill> filename "/tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1"; 19:39 < bill> filename "/tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1"; 19:39 < mistik1> hmm 19:39 < jammcq> bill: ok, do this: grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 19:39 < mistik1> problem solved 19:39 < jammcq> not necessarily 19:39 < mistik1> trust me 19:39 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 19:39 < bill> server_args = -s /tftpboot 19:39 < jammcq> carlos-aka-pedro had him changing the tftp server_args 19:39 < jammcq> ah yes 19:39 < jammcq> there ya go 19:40 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 19:40 < mistik1> I said trust me 19:40 < jammcq> bill: edit your /etc/dhcpd.conf file 19:40 < mistik1> :) 19:40 < jammcq> change "/tftpboot/lts/vm....." to "/lts/vm......." 19:40 < jammcq> drop the '/tftpboot' 19:40 < jammcq> save the dhcpd.conf file, and restart dhcpd 19:40 < carlos-aka-pedro> make them: ' filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1";' 19:41 < jammcq> your tftp problem will be history 19:41 < carlos-aka-pedro> heh, I did half the job ;) 19:41 < paperclip_> heh 19:41 < jammcq> which half ? 19:41 < Snafu> ya can leave off the leading / for that matter ... 19:41 < bill> okay ... then service dhcpd restart ? 19:41 < carlos-aka-pedro> yes 19:42 < carlos-aka-pedro> 'service xinetd restart' too 19:42 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ service dhcpd restart 19:42 < bill> Cannot find dhcpd service 19:42 < mistik1> dhcp 19:42 < mistik1> drop the d 19:42 < jammcq> no 19:42 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ service dhcp restart 19:42 < bill> Cannot find dhcp service 19:42 < jammcq> it is dhcpd 19:43 < carlos-aka-pedro> its mandrake, urpmi dhcp-server 19:43 < mistik1> my mind must be a rh62 19:43 < jammcq> ah, darned mdk 19:43 < carlos-aka-pedro> I love mdk Jim 19:43 < jammcq> well, I guess someone has to 19:43 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ urpmi dhcp-server 19:43 < bill> everything already installed 19:44 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 19:44 < jammcq> do this: ls -l /etc/inetd.d/dhcp* 19:44 < mistik1> hahahaha 19:44 < mistik1> bill: do it as root 19:44 < jammcq> err, /etc/init.d/dhcp* 19:44 < jammcq> ls -l /etc/init.d/dhcp* 19:44 < mistik1> he's doing this as bill 19:44 < jammcq> hahahahah, mistik1, good call on that one :) 19:44 < bill> root@elisha /home/bill$ ls -l /etc/init.d/dhcp* 19:44 < bill> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12 Jun 9 22:08 /etc/init.d/dhcpd 19:44 < bill> -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 2204 Nov 27 2002 /etc/init.d/dhcpd.rpmnew* 19:45 < jammcq> ok, do this: su - 19:45 < jammcq> then, service dhcpd restart 19:45 < bill> already su'd 19:45 < mistik1> $ 19:45 < carlos-aka-pedro> [root@mr carlos]# service dhcpd restart 19:45 < carlos-aka-pedro> Terminando dhcpd: [ OK ] 19:45 < carlos-aka-pedro> Iniciando dhcpd: [ OK ] 19:45 < mistik1> hmm 19:45 < mistik1> 'su -' 19:45 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill 'locate dhcpd' 19:45 < jammcq> do it again, and show us the exact error 19:46 < carlos-aka-pedro> good point mistik1 19:47 < bill> I think maybe I found it. 19:47 < bill> [root@elisha root]# which dhcpd 19:47 < bill> /usr/sbin/dhcpd 19:47 < jammcq> no 19:47 < jammcq> that's the dhcpd binary 19:47 < bill> okay. 19:47 < jammcq> do this: cd /etc/init.d 19:47 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill 'locate dhcpd' 19:47 < bill> [root@elisha root]# service dhcpd restart 19:47 < bill> Cannot find dhcpd service 19:48 < jammcq> then, do this: ./dhcpd restart 19:48 < carlos-aka-pedro> Jimm bill uses xinetd 19:48 < jammcq> carlos-aka-pedro: NOT FOR DHCP 19:48 < carlos-aka-pedro> /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd 19:48 < bill> [root@elisha init.d]# ./dhcpd restart 19:48 < bill> -bash: ./dhcpd: Permission denied 19:48 < carlos-aka-pedro> is that it? 19:49 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill 'su -' 19:49 < jammcq> no 19:49 < carlos-aka-pedro> ohh 19:49 < jammcq> su - will just make sure the path is correct 19:49 < jammcq> he doesn't need the path the way he's doing it 19:50 < carlos-aka-pedro> this is it in mandrake: '/etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd restart' 19:50 < carlos-aka-pedro> [root@mr carlos]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd 19:50 < carlos-aka-pedro> Uso: dhcpd {start|stop|restart|condrestart|status} 19:50 < carlos-aka-pedro> [root@mr carlos]# 19:50 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-40-239.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 19:51 < bill> hmmm for whatever reason, /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd is NOT executable. 19:51 < bill> [root@elisha init.d]# ls -l /etc/rc.d/init.d 19:51 < jammcq> hmm, somebody broke it 19:51 < carlos-aka-pedro> [root@mr carlos]# urpmi dhcp-server 19:51 < carlos-aka-pedro> already installed 19:51 < carlos-aka-pedro> [root@mr carlos]# 19:51 < bill> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12 Jun 9 22:08 dhcpd 19:51 < jammcq> so, do this: chmod 0755 dhcpd 19:51 < jammcq> only 12 bytes ? 19:51 < jammcq> something wrong there too 19:51 < jammcq> dinner time, i'll be back in a couple minutes 19:52 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill: 'urpme dhcp-server ; urpmi dhcp-server' 19:52 < carlos-aka-pedro> cya Jim 19:52 < carlos-aka-pedro> enjoy that meal ;) 19:52 < Zaw> do any of you know if it's possible to specify where SecurityPolicy and xkbcomp are located via XF86Config? 19:52 < carlos-aka-pedro> done this yet bill? 'urpme dhcp-server ; urpmi dhcp-server' 19:53 < Zaw> i want XFree86 to look in a different location for those files rather than /usr/X11R6/lib/X11, etc 19:53 < bill> its working now 19:53 < carlos-aka-pedro> ok 19:54 < bill> okay ... started dhcpd 19:54 < bill> (sheesh!) 19:54 < carlos-aka-pedro> hehee boot your workstation 19:54 < carlos-aka-pedro> are you documenting everything bill? 19:54 < carlos-aka-pedro> Zaw sorry, no idea 19:55 < bill> rebooted ws. no change 19:55 < carlos-aka-pedro> haha 19:55 < carlos-aka-pedro> good ol mandrake! 19:55 < bill> the ws boot disk is looking in /tftboot 19:56 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill I have 'grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf 19:56 < carlos-aka-pedro> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1"; 19:56 < carlos-aka-pedro> ' 19:57 < carlos-aka-pedro> and ' grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 19:57 < carlos-aka-pedro> server_args = -s /tftpboot' 19:57 < carlos-aka-pedro> thats the match 19:58 < bill> [root@elisha init.d]# grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf 19:58 < bill> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1"; 19:58 < bill> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1"; 19:58 < bill> [root@elisha init.d]# grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 19:58 < bill> server_args = -s /tftpboot 19:59 < bill> The final gasp on the WS is: 19:59 < carlos-aka-pedro> are you still halting in .......? 20:00 < bill> Loading 192.168.1.100:/tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1 .TFTP Error 1 (File not found) Unable to load file 20:00 < bill> I am not getting to the ...... anymore. 20:01 < Snafu> /tftpboot/ should not be in the path 20:01 < carlos-aka-pedro> thats the way my mandrake works 20:01 < bill> so where is it getting it from? 20:01 < Snafu> dhcpd.conf 20:02 < Snafu> tftpd treats /tftpboot as / 20:03 < Snafu> so the path is lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1 20:03 < paperclip_> /tftpboot is the tftp server's root 20:03 < Snafu> thats what i said ;=) 20:04 < carlos-aka-pedro> well I have 'server_args = -s /tftpboot' and 'filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1";' so the argument is irrelevant 20:04 < paperclip_> i translated to english =) 20:04 < carlos-aka-pedro> '/tftpboot' plus '/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1' 20:05 < carlos-aka-pedro> equals /tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1 20:05 < carlos-aka-pedro> and I am pasting from my working mandrake system 20:05 < Snafu> tftp defaults to /tftpboot as / anyway .. so its redundant 20:06 < bill> okay .,.. got a new error message ... making progress! 20:07 < carlos-aka-pedro> good, whats the new message? 20:07 < bill> it's the "NFS" boo-boo message 20:08 < carlos-aka-pedro> "NFS" boo-boo message 20:08 < carlos-aka-pedro> ? 20:08 < carlos-aka-pedro> /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash) 20:08 < carlos-aka-pedro> /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) 20:08 < bill> Failed to mount the root directory via NFS 20:08 < bill> ends with kernel panic 20:08 < carlos-aka-pedro> those 2 lñines are my exports 20:09 < carlos-aka-pedro> grep 192.168. /etc/dhcpd.conf 20:09 < bill> we match 20:09 < bill> /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash) 20:09 < bill> /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) 20:10 < Snafu> so fix the rootpath in dhcpd.conf 20:10 < bill> [root@elisha init.d]# grep 192.168. /etc/dhcpd.conf 20:10 < bill> option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255; 20:10 < bill> option routers 192.168.1.254; 20:10 < bill> option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.254; 20:10 < bill> option root-path "192.168.1.100:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 20:10 < Snafu> he took /tftpboot/ out of the root path instaed of just the file path 20:10 < bill> subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { 20:10 < bill> option log-servers 192.168.1.100; 20:10 < bill> fixed-address 192.168.1.101; 20:10 < carlos-aka-pedro> [root@mr carlos]# grep 192.168. /etc/dhcpd.conf 20:10 < carlos-aka-pedro> option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; 20:10 < carlos-aka-pedro> option routers 192.168.0.254; 20:10 < carlos-aka-pedro> option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; 20:10 < carlos-aka-pedro> option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 20:10 < bill> fixed-address 192.168.1.102; 20:10 < carlos-aka-pedro> subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { 20:10 < carlos-aka-pedro> option log-servers 192.168.0.254; 20:10 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.1; 20:11 < carlos-aka-pedro> your NFS should MATCH your dhcpd, change from 192.168.0. to 192.168.1. 20:11 -!- davus [~davus@209.187.112.106] has joined #LTSP 20:11 < Snafu> carlos bingo ... ;=) 20:11 < carlos-aka-pedro> or backwarts, whatever; I use the example IP 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> and these are my workstations 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.1; 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.2; 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.3; 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.4; 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.5; 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.6; 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.7; 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.8; 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.9; 20:12 < carlos-aka-pedro> fixed-address 192.168.0.10; 20:13 < carlos-aka-pedro> this is just a match game, once you know what to match, its a piece of cake 20:14 < Snafu> 255.255.0.0 as the nfs mask woulda worked also to fix it 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> [root@mr carlos]# grep 255. /etc/dhcpd.conf 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> [1]+ Done gedit 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> [root@mr carlos]# grep 255. /etc/exports 20:15 < Snafu> burp belch poot cauph spit kerchoo ! 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash) 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> #/home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> [root@mr carlos]# 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> yes, mine MATCH ;) 20:15 < carlos-aka-pedro> Snafu QUE? 20:16 < Snafu> 255.255.0.0 as the nfs mask woulda worked also to fix it making permission good for 192.168.*.* ... 20:16 < bill> gee haw! MUCH gooder. Now it hangs at "Mounting root filesystem:/opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.169.1.100 20:16 < carlos-aka-pedro> undo exports, sorry 20:17 < carlos-aka-pedro> MATCH the mask 20:17 < carlos-aka-pedro> 255.255.255.0 to the one in dhcpd.conf 20:17 < Snafu> option root-path "192.168.1.100:/opt/ltsp/i386"; is wrong btw 20:17 < carlos-aka-pedro> and them MATCH all IP adresses to 192.168.1 20:18 < Snafu> option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; instead 20:18 < carlos-aka-pedro> /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash) 20:18 < carlos-aka-pedro> /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) 20:18 < carlos-aka-pedro> subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { 20:18 < carlos-aka-pedro> thhose should MATCH 20:19 < Snafu> option root-path "192.168.1.100:/opt/ltsp/i386"; is wrong btw 20:19 < Snafu> option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; instead 20:19 < carlos-aka-pedro> Snafu: my server works ok with 'option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386";' 20:19 < Snafu> that line should not have an IP addr in the string 20:19 < bill> too much info ... 20:20 < carlos-aka-pedro> haha just play match 20:20 < carlos-aka-pedro> haha just play match bill 20:20 < bill> SNAFU ... are you saying that this "option root-path "192.168.1.100:/opt/ltsp/i386";" is wrong? 20:20 < Snafu> carlos yeah but he has the ip of the client in there not the server ... 20:20 < Snafu> and you should not need the ip of the server anyway do you ? 20:20 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill my server has this 'option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386";' and it is running right now 20:20 < bill> 192.168.1.100 is the ltsp server. 192.168.1.102 is the client 20:21 < Snafu> so what machine is .254 a gatway ? ok perhaps 20:23 < bill> it aint buying it. Do I need my ip addresses to match the router address? The router is at 192.168.1.1 20:25 < Snafu> then what is the .254 machine ... ? generally clients need talk only to the ltsp server ... since all inet software will run on the server ... so the common case is to point at the server for everything .. 20:26 < carlos-aka-pedro> my server is 192.168.0.254 20:26 < Snafu> example 20:26 < Snafu> option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; 20:26 < Snafu> option broadcast-address 10.77.7.255; 20:26 < Snafu> option routers 10.77.7.1; 20:26 < Snafu> option domain-name-servers 10.77.7.1; 20:26 < Snafu> option domain-name "nop.org"; 20:26 < Snafu> option log-servers 10.77.7.5; 20:26 < Snafu> 20:26 < Snafu> then the ws entry ... 20:27 < Snafu> host Sparc { 20:27 < Snafu> hardware ethernet 08:00:20:1D:99:AD; 20:27 < Snafu> fixed-address 10.77.7.25; 20:27 < Snafu> option root-path "/tftpboot/sun"; 20:27 < Snafu> option domain-name-servers 10.77.7.1; 20:27 < Snafu> option domain-name "nop.org"; 20:27 < Snafu> filename "/tftpboot/sun4m.nfsroot"; 20:27 < Snafu> } 20:27 < Snafu> notice that the server ip isnt mentioned ... 20:27 < jammcq> ioheh 20:27 < jammcq> heh 20:28 < carlos-aka-pedro> hi Jim, your example DOES have the IP adress and I use it, what gives with Snafus statement? (a bunch of microfones pointing at your direction) *film at 11 20:28 < jammcq> no comment 20:28 < carlos-aka-pedro> hahaa 20:28 < Snafu> since the initrd is the root ... not nfs such as mine .. jams scripts prob do that the server ip out of that root path string ... 20:29 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill jammcq is ltsp author 20:29 < jammcq> if you don't include the IP address, it defaults to something, lemme check it 20:29 < jammcq> ah, it no IP address is in the root-path, it uses the IP address of the dhcp server 20:29 < bill> yes, Carlos, I know. James doesn't live all that far from me ... maybe 20 minutes 20:30 < jammcq> bill: where are you ? 20:30 < Snafu> Jam which would work as ling as its the ltsp server ... 20:30 < carlos-aka-pedro> bill I do not want it to default to somathing other than my server 20:30 < bill> I-96 & Telegraph ... 20:30 < Snafu> Bill so your only a bare few seconds sway from success ... 20:31 < jammcq> yes, having the dhcp and nfs on the same server, is the default, but LTSP-3 gives additional flexibility in allowing you to put the IP address in the root-path 20:31 < jammcq> that's one of the features of using the initrd, instead of doing NFS-Root inside the kernel, like the old LTSP-2 did 20:31 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-40-239.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 20:31 < carlos-aka-pedro> cool 20:31 < Snafu> yeah ... i see that ... 20:31 < jammcq> by moving the mounting of the nfs root into user space, we get all kinds of extra flexibility 20:32 < jammcq> plus, linus keeps threatening to pull nfs-root out of the kernel 20:32 < bill> okay ... I got a Linksys in the mix at 192.168.1.1, the ltsp server at 192.168.1.100 and the ws at 192.168.1.102 20:32 < jammcq> if he does, it won't impact us at all 20:32 < jammcq> bill: I missed your root-path, what do you have for the IP addr in your root-path 20:32 < jammcq> ? 20:32 < Snafu> if he does moving to initrd as root is not any real hardship 20:33 < carlos-aka-pedro> option root-path "192.168.1.100:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 20:33 < bill> At SNAFU's suggestion option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; 20:33 < jammcq> ok, looks fine 20:33 < jammcq> is the .100 also your DHCP server ? 20:33 < Snafu> ya can mount /tmp over nfs or anything else ... 20:33 < bill> WAS what carlos shows 20:33 < jammcq> ok, should work 20:33 < bill> yes dhcp server is the same as the ltsp server 20:33 < jammcq> bill: do this: showmount -e 20:34 < carlos-aka-pedro> does that take long to answer? 20:34 < jammcq> bill: I-96 and telegraph... We talked a few months back, didn't we ? 20:34 < bill> [root@elisha root]# showmount -e 20:34 < bill> mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered 20:34 < Snafu> k so portmapper running ? 20:34 < jammcq> bill: hmm, do this: ps -e | grep portmap 20:34 < bill> yes we did ... and at that time I had a working install ... even wrote a review for Newsforge 20:35 < jammcq> ah yes 20:35 < bill> oops ... no portmap 20:36 < Snafu> we are getting closer ... just run rpc.portmap as root 20:36 < bill> [root@elisha root]# rpc.portmap 20:36 < bill> -bash: rpc.portmap: command not found 20:36 < Snafu> its usually in /sbin or /usr/sbin 20:37 < Snafu> if it aint good reason for it not to be running me thinks ;=) 20:37 < bill> isin /sbin 20:38 < Snafu> so run it n see if it stays running like Jamm showed ya 20:38 < bill> [root@elisha root]# locate portmap | grep /sbin 20:38 < bill> /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/portmap 20:38 < bill> /sbin/portmap 20:39 < bill> [root@elisha root]# ps -ax | grep portmap 20:39 < bill> 11322 ? S 0:00 portmap 20:39 < bill> 11907 pts/3 S 0:00 grep portmap 20:39 < bill> [root@elisha root]# ps -e | grep portmap 20:39 < bill> 11322 ? 00:00:00 portmap 20:39 < Snafu> so run it .. it shoudl be starting at boot ... ok so the client work now ? 20:40 < bill> the last two lines read: 20:40 < bill> running dhclient 20:40 < bill> Mounting root filesystem (blah blah) 20:41 < bill> that was about 20 minutes ago. No gui, no cli 20:43 < Snafu> ya should cfg for a text login till ya get that far .. 20:44 < Snafu> since otherwise a screwed free cfg could hide ehat succes you have so far 20:44 < bill> yee haw ... got it! 20:44 < bill> xfree & all 20:44 < Snafu> so bug carlos abt where portmapper is started on that mandrake crap ... i have no idea ... heh 20:44 < bill> restarted the services one more time after restarting portmap 20:45 < Snafu> and ya it has to start before the nfs daemons for the server to be happy ... 20:45 < bill> my wife (owner of the ws) has fogiven me ... thanks guys! 20:45 < bill> I think that was the problem ... the order of starting 20:46 < bill> so cool ... you guys know anything about samba? :-) 20:46 < Snafu> well what this her winbox ? or a ltsp upgrade ? 20:46 < bill> this is a dumb client ... PC with no HD 20:47 < bill> I have Winders running on the slowest machine in the house. :-) 20:47 < bill> the ws boots from a diskette off a machine bought used. 20:47 < Snafu> http://www.nop.org/misc/examp/smb.conf 20:48 < bill> grin ...:-) 20:48 < Snafu> ya a winders box can be a ltsp clent wi9thout touching winders ... ise a pseboot floppy etc ... 20:48 < Snafu> http://www.nop.org/misc/examp/smb.pizza 20:49 < bill> actually, she is quite content with straight Linux. 20:49 < bill> winders lost her desktop a couple times and bummed her out 20:49 < Snafu> ya mean she is content that it works ... for most thats enough ... 20:50 < bill> hey ... thanks for the pizza! 20:50 < Snafu> and ya winders habit of eating itself can wear on you .. 20:51 < bill> I run kde on mandrake and she uses it for surfing / email. I run my own mail server and a web server off my ADSL line 20:51 < Snafu> in the pizza cfg im using samba toi send ms namespace over a tunnel so that the linked networks can see eacj others shares over the tinc tunnel .. 20:52 < Snafu> but ya between the two files ya should see the needed bits and function from context .... will save ya some RTFM time .. 20:52 < Snafu> and notice i run share mode cause im to lazy to hassle over the passwd stuff 20:53 < bill> I only need to share a couple directories. The Win box will be blocked from the internet. 20:54 < Snafu> and i dont allow port 138/9 to pass in or out anyway .. 20:54 < bill> she should be able to get to her home directory on the Linux box from Winders (and so should I) and also to the printer off the web server Genesis 20:55 < Snafu> winblows is so dumbfuck it aloows UNC names in html pages ... and presto ... they make your box do an outh challengs and presto they soon have your passwd ... 20:55 < Snafu> the uname they get instanly the passwd they will have soon after 20:57 < bill> that's all we need. I might want to add the ability to read & write to the staging area for the web site ... but not to the web site per se. I have a script grab stuff off the staging area and pass it along via ssh -e rsync when I have made changes I want to keep. Keeps things simple and relatively secure. 20:57 < Snafu> ## block outgoing SMB 20:57 < Snafu> /sbin/ipchains -A output -i eth1 -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 137:139 -j REJECT 20:57 < Snafu> /sbin/ipchains -A output -i eth1 -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 137:139 -j REJECT 20:57 < bill> makes it tougher to walk my path backwards 20:58 < bill> I am going to have the router stop it cold. No port 80 ... nothing. 20:59 < Snafu> i need coffee .... beware the commie mommies 21:04 < bill> okay ... anybody care to tell me the name of the two button microsoft mousie? 21:05 < Snafu> /dev/psaux ? 21:06 < Snafu> Option "Protocol" "PS/2" ? 21:06 < bill> okay .. now I can't remember (oh the pressure!) which config file gets it! 21:06 < Snafu> depends on what name for what 21:07 < Snafu> ltsp.conf nowadays ... 21:07 < bill> ahhh ... there it is. I overlooked it on the ls 21:07 -!- carlos-aka-pedro [~carlos@200.56.191.227] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:08 < bill> there is nothing in there about a mouse. 21:08 < Snafu> new setup moved lots of the init logic scripting to the initrd /linuxrc chain .. and he has fancier option parsing than before ... 21:10 < jammcq> it goes in lts.conf 21:10 < jammcq> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL 21:11 < bill> hmmm the default is X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" 21:11 < bill> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" 21:12 < Snafu> so is it serial or the round plug ... 21:13 < bill> serial ... so /dev/ttys0 ? 21:13 < Snafu> device is /dev/ttyS0 for serial 21:17 < Snafu> i supose next you will want the smartcard swiper the graphics tablet and thumbprint scanner ... 21:17 -!- davus [~davus@209.187.112.106] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:17 < bill> not really ... I've heard you can't rely on the thumbprint scanners :-) 21:18 < Snafu> i wish SGI would get the rest of irix off of DGL .... OpenGL GLX dont support it ... and i dont wanna get a screen for my indigo/2 ... 21:24 < Snafu> but then again im weird .... remember my tftpbooting sun i showed as an example ? it has no screen either .... its a screenless as well as a diskless machine ;=) well when it runs linux ... it has solaris on local disk ... 21:26 < Snafu> Bill so ... all betta now ? 21:26 < bill> okay ... xfree does not like either ttys0 or ttys1 21:27 < Snafu> ttyS0 not s0 21:27 < Snafu> d1k:~# ls -l /dev/ttyS0 21:27 < Snafu> crw-rw---- 1 root uucp 4, 64 Jul 17 1994 /dev/ttyS0 21:29 < Snafu> d1k:~# ls -l /dev/ | grep " 4, " | grep 64 21:29 < Snafu> crw-rw---- 1 root uucp 4, 64 Jul 17 1994 ttyS0 21:29 < bill> okay ... got that. Life is good again. 21:29 < bill> Details, details 21:30 < bill> :-) 21:30 < mistik1> case case 21:30 < Snafu> females are good on details .. 21:30 < Snafu> they can juggle 40 varibles the same way 8 of them sit at a table and all talk at once ... 21:32 < Snafu> bad part is that thick link between left/right brain ... what they imagine becomes reality and emotion and logic are not seperate ... 21:32 < bill> I wrestled a recalcitrant Windows 98 install to the ground today and now ltsp is running. I'm pooped. 21:33 < bill> Thanks SNAFU (James and others) for the help. 21:33 < Snafu> its why they need us to survive ... and we need them to keep us from tripping over every rock .. 21:33 < Snafu> Cheers bill 21:34 < bill> Now just get the Win 98 machine merged into the network and sharing a couple directories and I can hit the hay. 21:34 < Snafu> Fubar:~# grep smbfs /etc/fstab 21:35 < Snafu> //vnc1/d /mnt/vnc1d smbfs mode=0666,noauto,localid,password= 21:35 < Snafu> //kat3/c /mnt/kat3 smbfs mode=0666,noauto,username=localid,password=winsux 21:36 < bill> well ... have a night ... and, once again, thanks. You saved my bacon! 21:36 < Snafu> ( nyuk nyuk ,,, he thinks we was helpfull ;=) ) 21:36 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 21:38 < Snafu> like the machocist was pleading " hurt me ,, ohh pleasem hut me bad" and the sadistic bitch skickered ... and said ... "No" 21:39 -!- bill [~bill@64.27.213.176] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 21:45 < Snafu> pity the fool from trent when not all of his money was spent ... he voted for Carter cause he wanted it harder and thats how it really got bent .. 21:58 -!- VibesYuth [deshrimp@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 23:08 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:14 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:24 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:28 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:28 -!- paperclip_ [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit ["The Moon Will Rise Again"] 23:39 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:45 -!- peter [~peter@dialup-208.84.221.203.acc50-wick-bne.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 23:46 < peter> anyone know how to get a 4meg s3trio card working with ltsp? 23:46 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 23:47 < jammcq> peter: sure, just set XSERVER = XF86_S3 23:47 < jammcq> and install the ltsp_x336_s3 package 23:47 < peter> tried that :( 23:47 < jammcq> and, what happens ? 23:47 < peter> I'll just get the error message, brb 23:47 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 23:47 < mistik1> jammcq: I never even noticed the new additions you did to linuxrc 23:48 < mistik1> the DPORT stuff I mean 23:48 < jammcq> ah yeah, cool stuff 23:48 < peter> while I'm getting that, tell me if you think this is possible: 23:48 < peter> running dual display win98, installing vmware to run ltsp in second display 23:49 < jammcq> peter: what is the host os ? 23:49 < jammcq> win98 ? 23:50 < peter> host os =98 yep 23:50 < jammcq> then it won't work. there isn't a vmware for win98 23:50 < jammcq> only nt and up 23:50 < peter> would like to do reverse, but would take too much time by myself 23:51 < mistik1> too much time for what? 23:51 < peter> is there a vmware for win? 23:51 < mistik1> yes NT/w2k 23:51 < mistik1> XP 23:51 < peter> working by myself, figuring out all the loopholes 23:51 < peter> hmm...have a ibm325 server that might do the job then (win2000) 23:51 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:52 < mistik1> sorry I dont follow 23:52 < mistik1> I build linux boxen =P 23:52 < peter> ok, error message for that x problem: none of the confugured devices were detected....err,,hang on... 23:53 < mistik1> what server are you using? 23:53 < mistik1> Xserver that is 23:53 < peter> its suggesting I use XF86_S3V 23:53 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 23:53 < peter> brb 23:53 < jammcq> what is suggesting that ? 23:53 < Snafu> nyuk nyuk 23:53 < peter> the error message (I assume query) 23:53 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:53 < jammcq> what do you have XSERVER set to ? 23:54 < mistik1> jammcq: is 3.0.10 the bugfix? 23:54 < jammcq> mistik1: yep 23:54 < mistik1> ok 23:54 < peter> had it set to XF86_S3, but trying XF86_S3V now 23:54 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:54 < mistik1> Just wondering why the increase from that rather than yesterday 23:54 < jammcq> ok guys, i've got to head to bed. I have to get up in about 4.5 hours to head to the airport 23:54 < mistik1> Have a good trip jammcq 23:54 < jammcq> tanks 23:55 < jammcq> eHarrison is picking me up tomorrow afternoon, i'll spend the day with him hacking ltsp stuff :) 23:55 < mistik1> Tell Erik I said hi 23:55 < misato> cool 23:55 < Snafu> sleep on the plane wake up in Kalifornia with davis reaching for your wallet ... 23:56 < misato> if you see paul, tell him that Jason Straw formerally from Yorktown High School says hi 23:56 < misato> :) 23:56 < jammcq> sure 23:56 < Snafu> i wonder if the next berlin wall iron curtain goes up on the kalif border ... 23:57 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:57 < peter> server = XF86_S3V wont work :( 23:57 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:57 < mistik1> huh 23:57 < mistik1> error? 23:58 < mistik1> Trio really sucks 23:58 < mistik1> try this peter, XSERVER = vesa 23:58 < jammcq> peter: "wont work" really doesn't tell us anything 23:58 < peter> vesa? ok, 23:58 < jammcq> peter: if you want help, please give us something to go on 23:58 < mistik1> indeed 23:59 < peter> yeah, I'm working on it....the problem is that the monitor is shutting down, so it only gives a glimpse of the error message 23:59 < mistik1> ok 23:59 < mistik1> do this 23:59 < Snafu> starting xserver on the server 23:59 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:59 < jammcq> if the monitor is shutting down, then you are overdriving it 23:59 < jammcq> read this doc: 23:59 < peter> its a daewoo, they do that 23:59 < Snafu> peter new to unix ? 23:59 < HiltonT> unless it has a turbo... 23:59 < peter> nope, unix since 1989 23:59 < jammcq> http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html --- Day changed Sun Jul 06 2003 00:00 < jammcq> leave XSERVER = XF86_S3V 00:00 < jammcq> and read that modelines doc 00:00 < Snafu> besides under vmware ... they supply a special xserver ... 00:00 < Snafu> special xserver for X in a vmware session ... 00:01 < jammcq> Snafu: he's not running vmware 00:01 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:01 < peter> hang on I think we have a winner! 00:01 < peter> yep, vesa it was, thanks heaps mistik1 00:02 < jammcq> peter: you will get better performance if you switch back to XF86_S3V and setup the correct modelin 00:02 < peter> I'm building a terminal out of scraps I have lying around, to prove a point to a mate 00:03 < peter> jammcq: thanks, I'll look into that one, any ideas are appreciated 00:03 < Snafu> the plain XF86_SVGA might have even better behavior ... 00:03 < peter> seems its crashed anyway...but at least I'm getting close 00:04 < peter> nope, not crashed, just slow 00:04 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:04 < jammcq> no, XF86_SVGA won't work with S3's of any kind 00:04 < Snafu> ya it wont .. if thats what he has ... 00:04 < peter> I like s3 coz they are nice and cheap (at most 50 cents) and great for win multi displays 00:05 < Snafu> why would ya need more than one scren on winblows .. 00:05 < jammcq> g'nite all 00:05 < mistik1> night jim 00:05 < Snafu> Jamm go to bed already ... 00:07 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:09 < peter> just back to win temporarily anyway, my main linbox got hit by lightning a few months ago 00:09 < Snafu> 1989 heh they was just starting to use 68020's n stuff for the first small unix boxes ... they still costed a mint ... if you was lucky ya saw bsd or 32V on a vax 00:10 < peter> never got to use a vax, but would have liked to 00:11 < Snafu> well wasnt much in the way of hardware in 89 ... vaxen some 68k boxes ... some mips 2000 stuff ... 00:11 < peter> our uni box was a pyramid 98sx (I think)...fell over more times than me at the pub 00:11 < Snafu> sysV didnt run on mips3k untill 91 whe the sony news came out ... 00:12 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:12 < Snafu> there was some 88000 based stuff like the DG AViiON 00:13 < Snafu> sun ... they was still using 68k didnt they use mips 2k for a bit before sparc was ready ? dont remember .. 00:15 < Snafu> anyhow in 89 .. a unix box ... heh wasnt much of a box, even if ya spent enough for a Villa in tuscany 00:15 < peter> was a good start for a beginner in unix tho 00:17 < Snafu> the 68000 mips3000 and first sparc's gave X11 it start tho ... 00:17 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:18 < peter> took me a long time to get used to gui stuff...had never used gui before win, and didnt particularly like the lack of control 00:19 -!- peter [~peter@dialup-208.84.221.203.acc50-wick-bne.comindico.com.au] has quit [] 00:19 < Snafu> im booting something ... i wanna show off 00:20 < Snafu> ready .... 00:20 < Snafu> sony:~# uname -a 00:20 < Snafu> sony sony 4.0 5.0.1 NEWS3200 mips.r3000 00:21 < Snafu> sony:~# ls -l /stand/unix 00:21 < Snafu> -rw-r--r-- 1 bin 4135440 May 10 1991 /stand/unix 00:21 < Snafu> sony:~# ls -l /sbin/sh 00:21 < Snafu> -r-xr-xr-x 1 bin 94208 Apr 30 1991 /sbin/sh 00:22 < Snafu> that old enough ... for a working example ? 00:23 -!- peter [~peter@dialup-208.84.221.203.acc50-wick-bne.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 00:23 < peter> grr 00:23 < peter> ok, next step, anyone know how to get dual display running in ltsp? 00:23 < Snafu> sony:~# uname -a 00:23 < Snafu> sony sony 4.0 5.0.1 NEWS3200 mips.r3000 00:23 < Snafu> sony:~# ls -l /sbin/sh 00:23 < Snafu> -r-xr-xr-x 1 bin 94208 Apr 30 1991 /sbin/sh 00:23 < Snafu> that old enough ... for a working example ? 00:26 < Snafu> so anyhow what kinda multihead seperate linked or xinorama 00:26 < peter> no idea, new to multi displays on lin 00:27 < Snafu> point is there is more than a few ways to do it ... 00:27 < Snafu> you can have 3 seats on a box if ya want ... 4 screens 3 kb's 3 mice 00:28 < Snafu> usb made multiple kb's pretty easy .. 00:28 < peter> hmm...2 displays and one kb/mouse would be ok 00:28 < Snafu> or the xservers can run seperate but linked with x2x 00:29 < Snafu> or they can run as a single desktop 00:29 < peter> wow, didnt know that was possible! I'd be happy with the one kb/mouse tho 00:29 < peter> single desktop 00:30 < mistik1> Snafu: one of my favorite X toys, x2x 00:30 < Snafu> in XFree v4 its not a big deal to define more than one vidcard more thn one screen 00:30 < peter> and it should work with ltsp? 00:31 < Snafu> x2x on the otherhand links two standalone xservers to a single input device 00:31 < mistik1> matter of fact XFree86 -configure with setup multihead for you if it find multiple cards 00:31 < mistik1> Snafu: have you played with xmove ? 00:31 < mistik1> Its a pretty dead project now but it was fun also 00:31 < Snafu> Mist ... nope heh 00:32 < mistik1> You could push an X app to another display/machine with it 00:32 < mistik1> real cool stuff 00:32 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit ["/quit"] 00:33 < Snafu> the main snafu's with xinorama was the window managers .. but for example wmaker works w multihead nice now .. 00:33 < Snafu> with x2x the screens can be on differnt CPU;s entirly 00:34 < mistik1> same with xmove 00:34 < mistik1> It is sorta like screen for X 00:34 < Snafu> even tho ... nothing forces you to use all 2-3 cards on the same xserver ya can run em seperate than link them .. 00:35 < mistik1> I could start an app on my cpu and then push it to your cpu 00:35 < mistik1> or vise versa 00:35 < peter> I assume u could do that over the net? 00:35 < Snafu> as it is i have one screen for the whole farm ... im ltsp turned backwards ... 00:36 < Snafu> one seat lots of boxes 00:36 < mistik1> same here 00:36 -!- bintut [~bintut@202.8.246.186] has joined #ltsp 00:37 < mistik1> 90% of what I do is done at a shell 00:37 < mistik1> even if I happen to be running X 00:37 < mistik1> so everything for me run in screen so no matter where I happen to be sitting in the house I can get to work 00:37 < Snafu> ("Netscape afu@Rx", EXEC, "ssh -a -x -k -n -P -q -l afu Rx netscape -display fubar:0 file:///home/afu/.netscape/bookmarks.html"), 00:37 < Snafu> i use ssh as a nicer rexec ... 00:38 < mistik1> definately 00:38 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:39 < bintut> what is the best implementation of cluster for ltsp setup where cpu processes and ram shares all the nodes of the cluster server? 00:40 < Snafu> anyhow ya can setup to use all 2/3 cards on a single xserver or divide em up seperatly ... 00:40 < Snafu> or a mixture of both .. 00:41 < Snafu> there is tones of notes n example cfg showing how to do xinorama if that your druther .. 00:42 < Snafu> and ya old pci trident cards are also cheap and the xserver is very stable on em .. 00:43 < Snafu> you can even do multihead with mismatched cards .. 00:43 < Snafu> the limitation is that a xinorama setup must run at all the same color depth ... 00:43 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 00:47 -!- peter [~peter@dialup-208.84.221.203.acc50-wick-bne.comindico.com.au] has quit [] 00:48 < robbie> drevil3: nslookup ltsp.org 00:48 < drevil3> ltsp.org is 66.35.250.210 00:48 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:50 < Snafu> Robbie her hobby bounced him like a bobby 00:51 < Snafu> in the secrect compartment of my ring i fill, the underdog super energy pill 00:55 < robbie> ??? 00:57 < Snafu> what ya doing lately anyway .... those ipx powered, 7 hour kernel compiles are old by now i would think 00:58 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:00 < Snafu> not that thats the boxes tru speed .. linux is poor on sun4c due to a cache invalidate bug on that cpu ... netbsd would run much bettah ... 01:06 < Snafu> Pity the poor Geek we call Mort, a nerd of the usual sort, pretty good lookin, no need to go hookin, it was jus that is thing was so short ... 01:08 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:13 < Snafu> Dave grew up in a cave, and so never learned to behave, even worse was hi odor even stronger as he grew older, but still he got all the babes 01:18 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:28 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:38 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:41 -!- brainless [cbca@203.115.82.247] has joined #ltsp 01:43 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:56 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:19 -!- hdaals [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 02:19 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:19 -!- hdaals is now known as hdaalz 02:19 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2200.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 02:19 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2200.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 02:25 -!- nine_finger_dk [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ltsp 02:25 < nine_finger_dk> hi 02:40 -!- nine_finger_dk [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:50 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2200.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 02:53 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2200.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 02:57 -!- dida [~pc3@202.155.128.215] has joined #ltsp 03:34 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2200.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 03:34 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2200.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 03:47 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2200.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 03:49 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2200.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 03:53 < Snafu> It stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there's someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master. -- Ayn Rand 03:55 < Snafu> While the Pobble was in the water some unidentified creatures came and ate his toes off, and when he got home his aunt remarked: It's a fact the whole world knows, That Pobbles are happier without their toes, which is funny because it has a meaning, and one might even say a political significance. 03:56 < Snafu> For the whole theory of authoritarian government is summed up in the statement that Pobbles are happier without their toes. -- George Orwell 03:57 < Snafu> The college idealists who fill the ranks of the environmental movement seem willing to do absolutely anything to save the biosphere, except take science courses and learn something about it. -- P.J. O'Rourke 04:23 -!- yoram [sagi@p18.active.net.il] has joined #ltsp 04:24 < yoram> hello ? 04:24 < yoram> have here someone ? 04:32 < hdaalz> yes 04:36 < dida> what's up?? 04:40 < yoram> hi 04:41 < yoram> i have a problem ... :) 04:41 < yoram> i wanna boot from network card but it`s not work 04:42 < hdaalz> whats the problem you're having with it ? 04:42 < dida> what the last message on the ws?? 04:43 < dida> yoram: can u tell me?? 04:43 < yoram> i can`nt do boot from my network card (from the client) 04:43 < hdaalz> yoram, is the network card built in to the motherboard or is it a PCI/ISA card? 04:43 < yoram> network card say "no boot filename received" 04:44 < yoram> no it`s intel 100 pci 04:44 < hdaalz> maybe you're not got the correct file name in dhcpd.conf 04:44 < hdaalz> check its the same as the one in /tftpboot 04:45 < hdaalz> i had that problem 04:45 < yoram> what am i need to put on ? 04:46 < dida> put your ws MAC address? 04:46 < yoram> yea /// 04:46 < yoram> ... 04:47 < yoram> with normal boot my network card and os get all network information 04:47 < hdaalz> yoram, try building a boot disk first 04:48 < yoram> for what ? (where am i get this ?) 04:48 < hdaalz> www.rom-o-matic.com 04:49 < hdaalz> when you get your client and server running you can then work on getting the network card booting 04:50 < hdaalz> bbl, gotta eat 04:50 < yoram> do you want to see my dhcp configuration file ? 04:53 -!- yoram [sagi@p18.active.net.il] has quit [] 05:28 -!- jammcq is now known as jammcq_portland 05:28 < jammcq_portland> welp, i'm heading to Portland, Oregon for the O'Reilly conference. See ya'll later. 05:51 < bintut> good luck jammcq_portland.. :) 06:07 -!- Yngiwe [~Yngiwe@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 06:14 -!- Yngiwe [~Yngiwe@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:37 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-13.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 06:43 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 06:47 -!- bintut [~bintut@202.8.246.186] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:48 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 06:49 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 06:54 -!- dida [~pc3@202.155.128.215] has left #ltsp [] 06:58 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 06:59 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:08 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:09 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:18 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:19 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:28 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:29 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:32 -!- Yngiwe [~Yngiwe@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 07:38 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:39 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 07:43 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 07:45 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-13.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:01 -!- nepo [~palle@213.237.112.118.adsl.taaj.worldonline.dk] has joined #ltsp 08:03 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Zaw, sbalneav, ccjoe, Vee2d2 08:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ccjoe, Zaw, Vee2d2, sbalneav 08:03 -!- Yngiwe [~Yngiwe@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 08:05 < nepo> Can I use a sb-pci card on a terminal of course with the soundpackage installed?, Right now I use a sb-isa card on one terminal and it works fine with nasd and XMMS 08:07 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:08 < gola> why couldn't you? :P 08:15 < nepo> yes, why not, but how? 08:20 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-174-33.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 08:32 -!- lanius [heino@p508E2A45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 08:37 -!- pipesmoker [pipesmoker@pD9E57C47.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 08:38 < pipesmoker> hi all 08:39 < pipesmoker> i have trouble with CNet PRO 200 LAN Cards (Davicom) and etherboot 08:40 < pipesmoker> is there something in general which i should have in mind? 08:43 < hdaalz> does the bootdisk work ? 08:43 < pipesmoker> it detects the card, but i got a TX Timeout error all the time 08:44 < hdaalz> is the card set at the correct speed? 08:44 < hdaalz> 10/100base? 08:45 < pipesmoker> it works properly under Windows attached to a switch 08:45 < pipesmoker> so a assume, speed is ok 08:45 < hdaalz> oh well then thats all my guesses used up 08:45 < hdaalz> hdaalz: me is a really newbie! 08:46 < pipesmoker> hdaalz: thx anyway 08:46 < hdaalz> stick around someone may beable to help you, i'm sure of it 08:46 < pipesmoker> manimay_ told me about trouble with it, too 08:47 < pipesmoker> the bad news is, that we bought a lot of these cards in a bundle to connect some more clients to our lan, lately 08:47 < pipesmoker> but we didnt took in mind that we will change to ltsp soon :-( 08:49 -!- sir__ [~sir@dialin-79.kase.fi] has joined #ltsp 08:51 -!- nepo [~palle@213.237.112.118.adsl.taaj.worldonline.dk] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 08:53 -!- bintut [~bintut@202.8.246.186] has joined #ltsp 09:01 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@170-215-152-153.bras01.cha.wv.frontiernet.net] has joined #ltsp 09:07 -!- mogey [~mogey@cf3.c002.t7.mrt.starband.net] has joined #ltsp 09:12 -!- sir__ [~sir@dialin-79.kase.fi] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:15 -!- mogey [~mogey@cf3.c002.t7.mrt.starband.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:22 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-174-33.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 10:00 -!- Mundy|work [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:09 -!- pipesmoker [pipesmoker@pD9E57C47.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 10:17 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 10:17 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:33 -!- oh207 [~oh207@24-90-113-253.nyc.rr.com] has joined #LTSP 11:13 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 11:14 -!- lanius [heino@p508E2A45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 11:14 < FatChix0r> hdaalz are you the same hdaalz that plays Urban Terror 11:17 < hdaalz> yup 11:17 < hdaalz> only 1 hdaalz 11:20 -!- Mundy|work [~mundy@CPE-144-137-215-97.sa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #LTSP 11:24 -!- nine_finger [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ltsp 11:24 < bintut> gtg 11:24 < bintut> later 11:24 -!- bintut [~bintut@202.8.246.186] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 11:24 < nine_finger> hi 11:27 < hdaalz> ni 11:27 < hdaalz> hi even :) 11:28 < FatChix0r> hdlaaz do you play UrT on linux 11:28 < nine_finger> I am looking for a mainboard for a server 11:28 < FatChix0r> nine_finger how much traffic do you expect on the server 11:29 < nine_finger> does anyone know the D875pbzlk board from Itel?? 11:29 < nine_finger> I expect trafic from 30 clients 11:30 < FatChix0r> and what are you serving up exactly 11:31 < nine_finger> mostly internet, Star Office and some video editing 11:31 < FatChix0r> well I would think about a robust HDD setup 11:31 < FatChix0r> sound like your gonna do alot of HDD i/o 11:32 < FatChix0r> but honestly i would say any Mobo with DDR would be fine 11:33 -!- kaisch [~kai@p508A8F87.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 11:34 < nine_finger> What I have in nind: the board fran Intel with 2 x 512MB DDR ram and 2 or 3 HD's 11:34 < nine_finger> hda with / and swap 11:34 < nine_finger> hdb with /home 11:35 < nine_finger> hdc with /video 11:35 < nine_finger> How does this sound? 11:40 -!- Mundy|wo1k [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #LTSP 11:41 -!- Mundy|work [~mundy@CPE-144-137-215-97.sa.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:42 < hdaalz> FatChix0r, no i don't play urban terror under linux, I have an hard enough job getting linux to run :) 11:43 < kungfuftr> nine_finger-> seperate /, /home, /var, /tmp and /usr 11:44 < FatChix0r> spreading out the FS is the best way to go with out going into a raidsetup 11:44 < FatChix0r> but the kernel does support a software RAID that works very well 11:44 < FatChix0r> I use software raid on my Distributed Computing server 11:45 < FatChix0r> since I have alot of random read writes from the various nodes 11:45 < kungfuftr> only software raid i would use is vinem 12:12 < nine_finger> I am back Thanks for the reply's 12:13 < nine_finger> If I want to use softwareRAID will it then be possible to use quota's on the filesystems? 12:18 < kungfuftr> not sure, i know it's possible with vinem... 12:20 < nine_finger> What is "vinem" ? 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20:49 < Snafu> *** *!*@*.*: CRAP 20:49 < Snafu> that helps ... 20:49 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:52 < jammcq_portland> hey kids 20:53 < Snafu> look its Budda ! 20:55 < Snafu> Budda .... or bubba depending ... up in the land where the Girls wear flannel and boots , drive 4x4's with a rifle in the window rack ... 20:56 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.146.212] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:56 < Snafu> but at least it dont rain as much as seattle .... or does it 20:59 < jammcq_portland> beautiful sunshine here today 20:59 < jammcq_portland> uh-oh, apparently there is a power outage at home 21:00 < jammcq_portland> my server is running on ups right now 21:14 < jammcq_portland> l 21:29 < Snafu> heh 21:35 < MetaCosm> jammcq_portland: did it email you? 21:35 < MetaCosm> :) 21:36 <@mistik1> jammcq_portland: please note that I banned DrEvil so if whoever owns it ask you can clear the ban if they can get it on a stable host 21:38 -!- jammcq [~jam@p172.n-sfpop03.stsn.com] has joined #ltsp 21:38 < jammcq> damn power outage !!! 21:39 <@mistik1> is it back now? 21:39 < jammcq> nope 21:39 < jammcq> i'm in Portland, my server at home is all down 21:39 <@mistik1> damn 21:39 < jammcq> yep 21:39 <@mistik1> anyway here's my last message 21:39 <@mistik1> jammcq: please note that I banned DrEvil so if whoever owns it ask you can clear the ban if they can get it on a stable host 21:39 < jammcq> tahnks 21:39 < jammcq> I think it is scottie 21:40 < jammcq> i've been trying to call him, but no luck 21:45 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@170-215-152-153.bras01.cha.wv.frontiernet.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 21:47 -!- jammcq_portland [~jam@pcp01444177pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:52 < jammcq> ok, in bx, how do you turn off auto-away ? 22:25 < Snafu> "where is your 1577109 stroke B form ?" 22:40 < Snafu> ""Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating." 22:42 < Snafu> Arresting Officer: This is your receipt for your husband ... and this is my receipt for your receipt. 23:06 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 23:12 -!- KB3IEN [~muaddib@monet.bestweb.net] has joined #ltsp 23:17 < KB3IEN> im looking for info on the 'INT18' boot option on certain ASUS mobo's. I have googlied for quite some time but still have nothing definative. 23:18 < Snafu> some one off propretary no-useable extra do-hicky on some off motherboard would not be of much interest ... 23:19 < KB3IEN> hmm. thats pretty much the sense i got. RTL 8139 for me. 23:34 < Snafu> de N5LAX i snipe contesters with a .308 on field days 23:35 < Snafu> i shoot them and take their alphas 23:35 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 23:37 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:49 -!- brainless [~anurag@202.149.212.198] has joined #ltsp --- Day changed Mon Jul 07 2003 00:03 < brainless> hey jammcq. i got the VISA :) 00:04 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 00:06 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Client Quit] 00:07 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 00:09 < keyur> hi 00:09 < keyur> i have one magic problem 00:10 < keyur> my workstation and server works only at specific location 00:10 < keyur> there is no network problem 00:10 < keyur> but still it not work with some combination place 00:10 < keyur> like 00:10 < keyur> A-hub 00:10 < keyur> B-switch 00:10 < Snafu> and you accept this as logic ? 00:11 < keyur> no 00:11 < keyur> but i can't get to it 00:11 < keyur> this is problem 00:11 < Snafu> socialist marxist indoctrinare ? realivist brain damaged ? 00:12 < Snafu> do you know how a switch works ? 00:12 < keyur> Snafu : now by just changing workstation network place it start working 00:12 < keyur> so only with some combination it works 00:12 < keyur> whether i have to restart every switch and hub? 00:13 < keyur> because swithces are inteligent now 00:13 < Snafu> hubs dont store tables of mac addreses ... switches do .. 00:13 < keyur> so i think i have to restart all swithces 00:13 < keyur> then it will work very well 00:14 < Snafu> why would this be a puzzle to you ? 00:14 < keyur> or other problem is there 00:14 < keyur> because i don't know it 00:14 < Snafu> arp times out in abt 15 minutes ... i dono if bridges have a standard ... 00:15 < Snafu> my surprise is why you didnt know instantly what was happening 00:15 < keyur> first i think network may be having problem 00:16 < keyur> but today it is truly tested that network having no problem 00:16 < Snafu> the logic of your problem even says so .. says what is happening it shouts with thunder a key to how switches work .. 00:17 < Snafu> a switch is a router ... its a router based on MAC addreses .. its subnets are the physical ports themselves .. 00:18 < keyur> i think i should study switch 00:18 < keyur> but by restarting switch may solve problem or not 00:19 < keyur> because i don't know logic behind it 00:19 < Snafu> it was born as a cross connector for token rings then adapted for different media like token ring and ethernet then came the guy who started the company kalpana ... his prototype was 8 3com 3c509 cards in a 486 motherboard with the bridge software written into the bios 00:21 < Snafu> then cisco bought Kalpana ... but IBM had already relased bridging as open source software back when even their mainframe software was open and unlicensed 00:22 < keyur> so now switches are intelligent and for new network they need to restart 00:22 < keyur> specially in diskless network 00:23 < Snafu> so now everyone uses the same code invented by IBMs customers used to bridge token ring adapted to bridge ethernet .. and the bright idea by the founder of Kalpana that a bridge could have more than 2 ports ... and be a switch instaed of a bridge running the same software .. 00:24 < Snafu> call it "inteligent" if you want but the software is pretty dumb ... took only a small corner of a 486 clone board bootrom ... 00:25 < Snafu> it passes bcasts out all ports ... and it makes a table of MAC addr heard on each port and routes based on dest mac addr .. 00:26 < Snafu> and the method has not changed since the day it was used to bridge two token rings .. 00:27 < Snafu> when you move a mac addr to a new port ... now the table in the switch dont match will it be flushed eventually and will it accept the MAC on the new port ? and how long will it take ? 00:27 < Snafu> only the author of your switch code can answer ... 00:28 < Snafu> he is prob dead anyway .... 00:28 < paperclip> heh 00:28 < paperclip> if not lets kill him =) 00:28 < paperclip> with a blunt hub 00:29 < Snafu> welp the inventor of the bridge some IBM customer ... and the founder of kalpana ... part of the speed ( the original briges ran on IBM XT's !! ) there is genus in the code 00:29 < keyur> ok thanks Snafu 00:30 < keyur> i will try with restarting and inform u about status 00:30 < Snafu> if the method was non simple then a fire breathing switch on a 486 board and 8 old 3com cards would have been kinda slow .. 00:30 < keyur> hen actually we can know the problem 00:30 < Snafu> the code is lean and so it is fast .... even on very little cpu 00:31 < keyur> if it not solve then i will try with different ethernet card 00:31 < keyur> i think it should work then 00:31 < Snafu> the hi end switches still need hardly no cpu ... but the buss is no longer an 486 clone ISA full of 8 bit 3com cards ... 00:32 < paperclip> how does the uplink port work? is it just a crossover port? 00:32 < Snafu> now a hi end switch has gigabit connections between the ports .. 00:32 < Snafu> ya uplink they swap pairs 00:32 < Snafu> pairs are 12 and 36 00:33 < Snafu> uplink 36 12 00:33 < Snafu> polarity isnt reversed it just that tx and rx are reversed 00:33 < paperclip> so.. i you have a switch with a gigabit uplink and the rest are 100mbit.. it's still that way 00:33 < paperclip> ? 00:34 < Snafu> 12 is rx in the male and tx on female or is it the other way round ? anyhow it reversed them thats all 00:34 < Snafu> you can do the same with a cross cable 00:34 < paperclip> yeah.. 00:34 < Snafu> a cross cable can connect two eth cards togenter 00:35 < paperclip> i read somewhere on the mailing list that it would be good to have an ltsp server with gigabit on the gigabit uplink port.. with clients on the 100mbit ports.. 00:35 < Snafu> yup ... 00:35 < paperclip> seems like the way to go.. 00:36 < Snafu> back when the fastest thing you could get was 155m fiddi the servers would go direct to fiddi ... everything else on the slow sides of the briges 00:37 < Snafu> and since the bridge / switch is store/forward ( it can buffer only one packet/port ) it does the speed conversion for ya .. 00:38 < Snafu> and ya its lots easier to funnel all that 10/100m traffic into a gigabit line ... 00:38 < paperclip> they don't seem to expensive =) 00:38 < paperclip> er.. too 00:38 < Snafu> and the switch breaks up all the collision domains reducing packet loss 00:39 < Snafu> even so while workstations are agregate ... the server should at least get it own port on the switch to itself ... 00:39 < paperclip> ~$200 for the low end.. 24x 10/100 and 2x 1gig port 00:40 < Snafu> you can get lots of the benifit from that even if it dont get a faster link 00:40 < paperclip> how so? 00:41 < Snafu> because there is no colisions on that wire .. the switch will feed it all single file ... 00:42 < paperclip> ahh.. yes that.. 00:43 < paperclip> hmm.. rackmount.. 00:43 < Snafu> exactly ... protecting the server from the workstation din ... you workstations must live where it sounds like lunchtime at the elemetary school ... your server should not have to .. 00:43 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 00:43 < paperclip> heh.. 00:44 < paperclip> i'm hoping each client has a port too =) 00:44 < Snafu> well switches that big get expensive and then non existent 00:44 < Snafu> you cant have 1000 seats and not share ports somewhere 00:44 < paperclip> well.. i plan on <24 clients.. 00:45 < paperclip> right.. 00:45 < paperclip> are there many 1000 seat ltsp installations? 00:45 < Snafu> but 24 ports n down ... yup w full duplex and if the server was on a the gigabit port ... i cant see how it could be any faster .. 00:46 < paperclip> yeah.. that's about as good as it gets.. 00:46 < Snafu> i built a 1000 seater with novell 900 and some odd on a compaq systempro 486-50 .... 00:46 < paperclip> wow 00:47 < Snafu> switches did not exist ... but we put 4 cards in the server and just a bit over 200 seats / card 00:47 < Snafu> all workstations was diskless 00:47 * paperclip doesn't mind being spoiled with switches 00:47 < Snafu> today winblows is so dumbfuck it cant do even 20% of that 486 novel box's I/O even if it had 8 xeons .. 00:48 < Snafu> but thats because winblows is maximum galictic dumbfuck 00:48 < paperclip> you noticed? 00:48 < paperclip> the part that pisses me off the most is that everyone still uses it.. 00:49 < paperclip> and they like it !?!?1 00:49 < Snafu> i use that old Novell 1000 seat server running a 486-50 ( the fastest chip at the time ) to show the glactic scale of winblows dumbfuck .... 00:49 < Snafu> to put it in proper perspective as to magatude 00:49 < paperclip> yeah.. 00:49 < paperclip> what was the server running? 00:50 < Snafu> on the server console cpu load never went above 20% even then 00:51 < Snafu> but easy to understand ... the compaq array the eisa nic's everything was dma pumped over compaqs triflex eisa bases buss that they invented .. 00:51 < Snafu> the cpu didnt have anything to do ... so the 486-50 was overkill 00:51 < Snafu> file serving needs no cpu power it never has 00:52 < paperclip> oh.. the server was a 486-50.. =) i see 00:52 < paperclip> yeah.. it doesn't 00:52 < Snafu> only winblows is so galactic dumbfuck that it needs lots of cpu to overload at 20% of a 486's load ... 00:53 < paperclip> hlt helps =) 00:53 < Snafu> the words to express how dumbfuck winblows is .. dont seem to exist 00:53 < Snafu> anyhow the server ran the 100 user version of novell 311 .. 00:53 < paperclip> nice 00:54 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1820.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 00:54 < paperclip> i need to scrounge up more machines to play with.. 00:54 < Snafu> er 1000 user it differed from the 250 user version and down in that it used 16 bit fields in IPX instaed of 8 00:55 < Snafu> but it was the same small kernel ... on a Novell server the Kernel and packet bufferes used at most 4m or ram ... whatever was left was all disk cache 00:56 < Snafu> and a further speedup is that novell read into memory the dir trees on all volumes as well as the free list .. 00:56 < paperclip> amazing that novell is where they are today.. 00:56 < Snafu> so all file seeks happened in ram etc ... 00:57 < Snafu> the only server faster than novell was IBM lanserver running on OS2 00:58 < paperclip> so what you are saying is that *all* of NT's competition was superior?? =) 00:58 < Snafu> but in reality that was only sustained thruput .. on random I/O novell was still faster 00:59 < Snafu> NT isnt just slow .... but a 486-50 can run a server that winblows cant match even with 8 xeons .. and overloads at only 20% of that load 00:59 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 01:00 < Snafu> on winblows networks apps are loaded on the ws ... what does the server really do except logins sql or mail ? 01:00 < paperclip> well.. on that happy note.. i think i'm about to pass out.. 01:00 < Snafu> an isp might run 5,000 mail accnts on a 486-33 running freebsd when it was the fastest there was 01:00 < paperclip> they don't doe anything.. 01:01 < paperclip> true 01:01 < Snafu> on winblows their servers dont actually serve ... 01:01 < paperclip> amazing that people pay for windows.. 01:02 < paperclip> night 01:03 < Snafu> on novell and os2 the limit of the server was physical .. the buss media and disk are only so fast ... softwware was never part of this factor .. 01:03 < Snafu> linux/samba could be fast to if they moved it into the kernel and did the kind of things you would do for a dedicated file server ... 01:05 < Snafu> anyhow that 1000 diskless seat Novell 486-50 server ... is a good example of how glactically bloated winblows is and how slogged and bogged is the hardware it runs on 01:05 < paperclip> =) 01:05 < Snafu> because if yet to see a working example that matches the work that old novell box did on such small hardware 01:06 * paperclip hits the sack 01:10 -!- peterw [~peterw@203-213-81-235-syd-ts13-2600.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 01:18 < Snafu> http://www.lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=55573 01:26 < KB3IEN> Snafu might INT18 be a reference to an INTERUPT ? 01:27 < Snafu> duh 01:28 < Snafu> but what does that tell you ? what vector the bios puts on soft int 18 is as unknown as why and what it is or does .. 01:28 < KB3IEN> im used to SUN hardware, im not used to having to work on this level HW. 01:29 < KB3IEN> guessing if i make my onboard eth dev on INTerupt 18, it might try to do something, what and how remain a mystery... 01:29 < Snafu> well its not as if sun hardware is any more open than an sgi machine ... both are "black box" anywhere below the clibrary 01:30 < peterw> uh 01:30 < KB3IEN> 'boot net' thats all i needed to know until yesterday. 01:30 < peterw> mips.com :P 01:30 < peterw> intel is a quagmire 01:30 < Snafu> linux and the bsd's are the best docs on PC hardware .. when you write your own OS you need to know some things ... lots of the info was a long hard fight to get too ... 01:30 < peterw> ive never understood the architecture 01:31 < KB3IEN> intel is crap, ergo its cheap, ergo i can affoard the number of systems i would like to netboot. doh! 01:31 < Snafu> and yes we would intend to ignore propretary one-offs cause only the generic stuff is usefull to anything outside of device drivers 01:31 < KB3IEN> too true. 01:32 < Snafu> wintell is crap some of it blows propretry shit away 01:32 < KB3IEN> i will have another go tomorrow, i left the boxen elsewhere. im home now. 01:32 < Snafu> AMD's hypertransport blows away anything sun or sgi has .. 01:32 < KB3IEN> its all proprietary. 01:33 < KB3IEN> AMD does so at the expense of scalability, and reliablity. 01:33 < KB3IEN> its always a tradeoff. 01:33 < Snafu> and the PC buss is already dma pumped for most things ahead of them for polyphaze data ... 01:34 < KB3IEN> today i dont need 99.999999% uptime over the next 100 years. 01:34 < Snafu> even IBM;s 390 line dont yet use polyphaze transports out of the cpu 01:35 < Snafu> and besides ... propagation delay and law of physics dictate that what is fast will be small you can be large or fast but not both ... 01:35 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.8.19] has joined #ltsp 01:36 < KB3IEN> but i want my multi-chromatic optronic VLSI chip NOW. 01:36 < Snafu> the speed of light / time to get a signal down a wire, is not something there is an answer for polyphaze today ... switched fabric will be the tomorrow 01:36 < KB3IEN> actualy i want bed. 01:36 < KB3IEN> ttys 01:38 < Snafu> this speels hardware doom for the like of sun and sgi .. all too soon even the cheap PC crap will be withing 98% of the meanest superbox build with money no object ... 01:38 < Snafu> thats the way of things ... cest la vie 01:43 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.8.19] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 02:27 -!- brainless [~anurag@202.149.212.198] has quit ["Client 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all 07:31 < keyur> Snafu : problem is still not solved 07:31 < keyur> it looks so magic 07:31 < keyur> like 07:36 < keyur> its a very good problem 07:36 < keyur> i have set ltsp project with one hub as private network 07:36 < keyur> one hub + one server + one workstation 07:36 < keyur> it works very well 07:37 < keyur> then i shifted my workstation to another place for real use which is conneted with my private hub thruogh cross cable 07:37 < keyur> and it works 07:37 < keyur> server to workstation is now like 07:38 < keyur> server - hub - switch - switch - hub - workstation 07:38 < keyur> it is too slow 07:38 < keyur> so i change it like 07:38 < keyur> server - switch -hub - workstation 07:39 < keyur> by joining server to second switch directly 07:39 < keyur> then workstation stops 07:39 < keyur> giving error 07:39 < keyur> like 07:40 < keyur> nfs : server 192.168.0.254 not responding , still trying 07:40 < keyur> nfs : task 82 can't get a request slot 07:40 < keyur> and stop 07:40 < keyur> then i again change my server to original location i.e. 07:40 -!- Faithful [~faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 07:41 < keyur> server - hub - switch - switch -hub - workstaion 07:41 < keyur> it works 07:42 < keyur> now i change again server to second switch and workstation to original hub position 07:42 < keyur> i.e. 07:42 < keyur> server -switch - switch - hub - workstaion 07:42 < keyur> it works 07:42 < keyur> what will be problem? 07:44 < keyur> so it only works with 07:44 < keyur> server - hub(0)-workstation 07:44 < keyur> server - hub(0)-switch (0) - switch (1) - hub (1) - workstation 07:45 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:45 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 07:47 < keyur> hi 07:47 < keyur> any one has solution 07:47 < keyur> or reason? 07:57 < keyur> how my ltsp stops by just changing network place? 07:57 < keyur> i can't get it 07:58 -!- davus [~davus@206.183.158.36] has joined #LTSP 08:00 < keyur> whether it is problem of switch ? 08:00 < keyur> or linux bug? 08:00 < jammcq> not a linux bug 08:00 < jammcq> try rebooting the switches 08:01 < jammcq> they are probably confused because of all the moving around you have done 08:01 < Snafu> thought we had been thru this .. 08:01 < jammcq> but, your setup is really not good, with all those hubs/switches 08:01 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:01 < jammcq> heh, now he's gone 08:01 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 08:02 < jammcq> guess he didn't like my advice 08:02 < keyur> no 08:02 < jammcq> he's back :) 08:02 < keyur> my connetction is reset automatically 08:02 < keyur> problem in internet link is there 08:02 < keyur> ok 08:02 < Snafu> thought we had been thru this .. explained how bridges/switches work etc .. 08:03 < keyur> due to power cut automatically all hub and switched restarted 08:03 < Snafu> course if he knew how they worked .. his server would not be on the rim of his topology .. 08:03 < keyur> but still it not works 08:04 < keyur> on nover diskless is working with same topology 08:04 < keyur> i.e. 08:04 < keyur> sorry not nover but novell 08:05 < keyur> my novell is also diskless project 08:05 < keyur> not done by me , it is done by some one else 08:05 < keyur> it works with any combination 08:05 < keyur> but in linux 08:05 < keyur> only fixed topology works 08:06 < keyur> even i change my card and workstation host then also same problem 08:06 < jammcq> well, I don't know what to tell you. I personally wouldn't set it up with all those hubs/switches 08:06 < keyur> i try to explain with some sequence let see it 08:07 < keyur> server - hub0-switch0-switch1-hub1-ws 08:07 < keyur> working 08:07 < keyur> then 08:07 < jammcq> yes, I saw all that 08:07 < jammcq> and finally it doesn't work 08:07 < jammcq> so, go back to something that does work and be done with it 08:07 < keyur> but with other combination it only not works 08:08 < keyur> working combination is only for testing 08:08 < keyur> but actual combiation for speed is not working 08:08 < Snafu> thought we had been thru this .. explained how bridges/switches work etc .. 08:08 < jammcq> maybe go try the lkml (Linux Kernel Mailing List) 08:09 < keyur> ok 08:09 < keyur> i should try there 08:09 < Snafu> and its scary that your logig can allow that an OS could have anything to do with it... 08:09 < Snafu> if he knew how they worked .. his server would not be on the rim of his topology .. 08:10 < Snafu> daisy chaining switches etc ... 08:11 < keyur> any link for knowing best and possible topology 08:11 < keyur> i m new 08:11 < Snafu> Jamm we had one outfit had the cheapo 3com switches ( old 10mbit ) and hehehehe they had a 500 entry limit in the mac table .... so guess what happened when the MAC count went over 500 ? hehehehe 08:12 < keyur> how to refresh that count 08:12 < keyur> just by restarting it? 08:12 < Snafu> they spent 3 months wondering why devices went sway at randome heheh 08:13 < keyur> should i remove that switch from network which is needed in any case 08:13 < keyur> i.e. switch no 0 08:13 < keyur> this switch is needed in any case to work 08:14 < keyur> if network without switch 0 then it gives error 08:14 < Snafu> they wasnt very happy to learn that they had to buy all new switches that didnt have the 500 MAC limit in the bridge tables .. 08:14 < keyur> i.e. either workstation or server should be in way of switch 0 08:14 < Zaw> jammcq: got the Jammin 125 working with Thinstation, thanks for your help :) 08:14 < Snafu> in the meantime we segmented their network in halves ... got em by for 2 more years .. 08:16 < keyur> Snafu : no problem with fix mac address because i have try with chaning network card also 08:16 < keyur> but it works only with specify topology 08:17 < keyur> a card is new one 08:17 -!- KB3IEN [~muaddib@monet.bestweb.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:17 < keyur> whose mac entry is not there in any switch 08:18 < keyur> only i have to set its mac in dhcpd 08:18 -!- Faithful [~faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:18 < keyur> file 08:18 < t0m> keyur: why don't you start by setting up a nice network topology instead of the chaotic mess you seem to be in right now? 08:18 -!- Mundy|wo1k [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:18 < jammcq> Zaw: hey, that's excellent news 08:18 < Snafu> Key ... unix and tcpip is the largets network in the world ... before it the internet did not exist .. its quite proven working stuff ........ 08:18 < keyur> tom : i have try with nice one 08:19 < keyur> but there its give error 08:19 < keyur> it works well only with very bad topology 08:19 < jammcq> I guess "nice one" deserves some definition, eh ? 08:19 < keyur> yes 08:19 < keyur> i.e. 08:19 < keyur> server - switch1-hub1-workstation 08:19 < keyur> but it not works 08:19 < keyur> it only works with 08:19 < jammcq> maybe a cabling issue 08:20 < keyur> no 08:20 < Snafu> Key ... in other words pointing at the stuff that runs the largest network the planet has ever seen to avoid having to deal with the problems you have there ... is heh what would you call it denial ? 08:20 < Zaw> jammcq: it was just a matter of configuring it to start the XF86_5530 xfree server from the ltsp project and getting it to write the proper XF86Config file. all good so far. 08:20 < keyur> because all this are working line 08:20 < keyur> and tested with novell 08:20 < Snafu> nyuk nyuk ... 08:20 < keyur> working topology is 08:21 < Snafu> hehheheh 08:21 < keyur> server - hub0-switch0-switch1-hub0-ws 08:21 < keyur> which is bad one 08:21 < keyur> it also work well with 08:21 < t0m> could it have something to do with portfast on the switches? or is this only a cisco issue? 08:22 < keyur> server - s0-s1-h0-ws 08:22 < Snafu> Key hers a clue dude !!! tftp has no error correction and your daisy chaining switches 08:22 -!- Mundy|work [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #LTSP 08:23 < keyur> i have try with chaning port also like from 2 to 7 no port 08:23 < keyur> but still no result 08:23 < Snafu> and yeah when you move a MAC across ports the tables are invalid for that MAC till they are flushed .. 08:23 < keyur> even i place new cable in extra port 6 08:23 < Zaw> why don't you just run switches everywhere, budgets? 08:24 < keyur> yes we r going for switches everywhere 08:24 < keyur> but if it not works then? 08:24 < Zaw> why wouldn't it? 08:24 < keyur> so trying with other topology 08:24 < Snafu> and worse so called "layer 3" switches fuck up arp cache stuff 08:24 < keyur> because it not work with good one topology 08:25 < Snafu> so ya will need up to 15 min for the arp cache on the server to flush 08:25 < keyur> layer 3 switch ? 08:25 < Zaw> what brand/model of switch are you using? i really like the SMC 10/100 managed Tigerswitch for managed stuff, and the 3Com superstacks for unmanaged stuff 08:25 < Snafu> Rx:/# arp -n 08:25 < Snafu> Address HWtype HWaddress 08:25 < Snafu> 209.176.43.219 ether 00:00:C0:E9:D6:79 08:25 < Snafu> 209.176.43.217 ether 00:20:AF:EB:51:4A 08:25 < Snafu> 209.176.43.220 ether 00:40:05:E1:06:73 08:25 < Snafu> 209.176.43.221 ether 00:50:FC:55:18:B5 08:25 < keyur> just wait, i read it 08:25 < Snafu> 209.176.43.209 ether 00:C0:7B:5D:FA:05 08:25 < Snafu> 10.77.7.161 ether 00:00:C0:CC:02:2C 08:25 < Snafu> Rx:/# 08:26 < Snafu> you prob never heard of arp either ... 08:26 < keyur> no i have heard 08:26 < keyur> even i change its entry also 08:26 < keyur> like 08:26 < Snafu> well those are MACs to arnt they just like the switches use for routing 08:26 < keyur> arp -s ws001 00:... 08:26 < Zaw> the switch should change its arp cache entry when it detects an identical mac on a different port 08:27 < Snafu> Zaw should ya should but how much stuff out thee is decent 08:27 -!- dawson_ [~dawson@067.mel0810.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit ["seeu"] 08:27 < Zaw> that's why i was asking what brand/model he's using 08:27 < keyur> my switch 0 is D-Link 08:28 < Zaw> a-ha 08:28 < keyur> and switch 1 is 08:28 < Snafu> and then there is the arp cache to deal with on so called "layer 3" switches ... 08:28 < keyur> supercom ep-808sx 08:29 < keyur> D-link switch model no is 08:29 < Zaw> it doesn't happen to be a 32 port d-link switch is it? 08:29 < keyur> des-1008d 08:29 < keyur> no d-link switch is 8 port 08:29 < keyur> both are of 8-port 08:30 < keyur> switch 1 is newer than that of switch 0 (d-link) 08:30 < keyur> just buy before 3 months 08:31 < Snafu> i bet one of em is full duplex and the other not as well 08:31 < Zaw> i know that i've had very serious issues with d-link stuff in the past, including switches that just stopped working for no apparant reason, and network adapters (dfe-500) that would have their MAC address flashed to all zeros when you went into certain bios's and changed the parallel port settings 08:32 < Snafu> Rx:/# arp -n 08:32 < Snafu> Address HWtype HWaddress 08:32 < Snafu> 209.176.43.219 ether 00:00:C0:E9:D6:79 08:32 < Snafu> 209.176.43.217 ether 00:20:AF:EB:51:4A 08:32 < keyur> both are fullduplex 08:32 < Snafu> and he has yet to say if the arp cache shows the ws in the case where it has "failed" 08:33 < Zaw> he can't, since his switches aren't managed switches 08:33 < Snafu> but such is the handicap of the network noobs ... 08:33 < Zaw> or are you talking about from the server? 08:33 < Zaw> from the server it won't matter 08:33 < Snafu> Zaw where else and why not ... its the closes tool 08:33 < Snafu> and fire up iptraf too for that matter... 08:34 < Zaw> why would it matter from the server? his MAC address isn't changing on the workstation 08:34 < Snafu> good greif ... 08:34 < Zaw> the only problem would be in the switch's cache 08:34 < Snafu> another one ... 08:34 < Zaw> explain yourself, i can assure you that i know networking protocols very well 08:36 < keyur> my arp -n entry in working condition shows 08:36 < Snafu> welp confident you may be .. discounting arp on the server as usfull info ( as if none at all is better ) dont inspire my confidence in you ... 08:36 < Zaw> my scrollback buffer doesn't go back far enough, but as far as i can tell he is having a problem with a workstation connecting to the ltsp server in a certain configuration of switches? 08:36 < keyur> address hwtype dwaddress flagsmaks iface 08:37 -!- Faithful [~faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 08:37 < keyur> 192.168.0.201 ether 00:E0:4D... C eth0 08:37 < Snafu> and yeah tftp can have a problem thru cheap daisychained switches 08:37 < keyur> but my client address is not 201 08:37 < keyur> it is of 3 08:38 < keyur> but it is stop 08:38 < keyur> now it is on 08:38 < keyur> and it shows its entry 08:39 < Snafu> iptraf can help too .. and wont be that noisy if the server is on a port by itself .. 08:39 < keyur> iptraf ? 08:40 < keyur> no coomand like this on my server 08:40 < keyur> no manual for it 08:40 < keyur> it gives error like command not found 08:40 < Zaw> so the IP address of the workstation is changing, and the server is never notified of the change because the arp packets aren't being broadcast perhaps? a switch should forward a broadcast packet by default to all ports, including its uplink. maybe that's not happening for whatever reason 08:40 < Snafu> best of all it will show you a mental model ... even if wrong in some repects of what is happening .. the quick lesson it will teach will help you fix your problem ( and others later ) 08:41 < keyur> no 08:41 < keyur> ipaddress of workstation are fixed with mac address 08:41 < keyur> so how can it change 08:42 < Zaw> so why are we discussing anything about arp on the server? 08:42 < Snafu> Zaw yeah he compounds this somewhat ... moving a MAC across TWO swicthes . compounded by a stale arp cache ... that itself is dependent on the same bcasts the switches use 08:42 < Zaw> or arp caching for that matter 08:42 < Snafu> Zaw your dumbfuck about arp too eh ? 08:42 < Zaw> Snafu: perhaps you're confusing arp cache with MAC cache on the switches. switches operate at layer 2 of the OSI model, in which case arp wouldn't ever apply. 08:43 < Snafu> o well i need coffee ... bbl 08:43 < Snafu> OSI model ... 08:43 < Snafu> ok that explains it ... 08:43 < keyur> network layes 08:43 < Zaw> yes, you understand the OSI model i hope. 08:43 < Snafu> OSI model = idiot dunce doomkoff 08:44 < keyur> yes little bit, i have study it during student life 08:44 < Zaw> do you understand at least that a standard switch operates at layer 2, and not any higher? 08:44 < Snafu> like a working socialist utopia the OSI model dont exist outside of university goofball 08:44 < Zaw> thus arp would be irrelevant. 08:44 < Snafu> off for that coffee 08:44 < Zaw> but MAC caching on the switch would be relevant. 08:44 < keyur> yes arp is irrelevant 08:45 < keyur> because i tried with arp command in not working condition 08:45 < keyur> like 08:45 < keyur> apr -s ws001 00:... 08:45 < keyur> but it not slove my problem 08:45 < Snafu> i gave the whole history of bridging that became switching due to the founder of kalpana .. 08:45 < Zaw> arp is only a MAC to IP protocol, and since neither the MAC nor the IP associated with the MAC are changing, it is irrelevant. 08:46 < Snafu> that started as a small program to bridge token ring on a IBM XT 08:46 < Zaw> and yet you don't know enough about networking to know the difference between arp caching and MAC caching? 08:46 < Snafu> you assert falshood 08:46 < keyur> yes i want to know 08:46 < Zaw> or the different networking layers they operate at? 08:47 < Snafu> and yes arp is revelant 08:47 < Zaw> explain how arp is relevant, i'd love to hear. 08:47 < keyur> yes i also 08:47 < keyur> i new bie 08:47 < keyur> so at my level 08:47 < Snafu> not all switches are MAC only 08:47 < Zaw> while it may be 'relevant' it isn't the root of the problem, which is most likely stale MAC caching on one of the switches. 08:47 < Snafu> some are so called "layer 3" switches 08:47 < Zaw> these ones are, they're 8 ports. they don't make 8 port layer 3 switches. 08:48 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has joined #ltsp 08:48 < prpplague> jammcq: ping 08:48 < Snafu> they do proxy bcasts and have their own ccaches 08:48 < Zaw> right... go on. 08:48 < Zaw> their own MAC caches, not arp caches. 08:48 < Snafu> good grief ... 08:48 < Zaw> and even if they did cache arp entries, why would it matter since neither the MAC nor the IP are changing? 08:49 < Snafu> well understandable you went into the "OSI" hogwash 08:49 < Snafu> your a fuckin noob 08:49 < Zaw> explain yourself, rather than saying things such as 'good grief' 08:49 < Snafu> coffee later ... 08:49 < Zaw> or run away, knowing you are wrong and i am right. 08:49 < keyur> i understood now 08:50 < keyur> my problem is of mac cache on switch 08:50 < Zaw> yes 08:50 < Zaw> most likely. 08:50 < keyur> and it broadcast it as proxy 08:50 < keyur> so i think i remove that switch from network and 08:50 < keyur> built network with new one 08:50 < keyur> but what to do of this old switch 08:50 < Zaw> you should be fine, then. 08:51 < keyur> whether it is not possible to flush cache of mac address from switch 08:51 < Zaw> you might want to try getting two switches from the same vendor, even the same model if possible. i've found that some switches don't like to talk to other vendor's switches sometimes for whatever reason (similar to what you're experiencing) 08:51 < keyur> and why it works well with novell 08:52 < keyur> there is also diskless terminal 08:52 < Zaw> it's definitely possible with a managed switch, but not usually with a 'dumb' switch 08:52 < Zaw> i'd say that maybe the novell server is plugged into the same switch as the diskless terminal? 08:53 < keyur> novell server before 3 months is pluged in to hub 08:53 < Zaw> that is, the novell server isn't on the same switch as the ltsp server, and the diskless client isn't on the same switch/hub as the other thin client 08:53 -!- rehines [~rehines@argonath.itcs.purdue.edu] has quit ["Client exiting"] 08:53 < keyur> now it is plug in to supercom switch 08:54 < keyur> in both my switch 0 and switch 1 there are novell diskless client 08:54 < keyur> because it is there only and we work on it 08:54 < keyur> but we want to switch now to diskless linux terminal 08:54 < keyur> which is good one than that of old novell 08:55 < keyur> in old novell we are working with window 3.1 08:55 < Snafu> Key Novell is less of a problem with its SAP bcasts and its built in fallback behaviors to most common network weaknesses ... ip at the TCP level is also ... but NFS/UDP and tftp for example go all to crap in dirty conditions where IPX or TCP manages to work .... 08:55 < keyur> and now we want to switch on linux with openoffice and evolution to work 08:55 < keyur> yes protocol are different 08:56 < keyur> that is right 08:57 < Snafu> and the arp cache was to show you if the server was being reached .. and you said you was attempting a new card ... if the same ip then the arp cache is revelant .. you would need to flush it or wait for it to expire ( 15 minutes ) 08:58 < keyur> so i think only solution is remove that old switch which cache mac in it 08:58 < keyur> then it should work 08:58 < Snafu> Zaw and yeah your a fuckin noob .. 08:58 -!- XHawke2 [~nick@202-6-130-190.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:58 < Snafu> yup he is right about cheap switches . some dont get along well 08:59 < Zaw> Snafu: why all the hostility? i am by no means a 'noob' 08:59 < keyur> i should remove that d-link switch 08:59 < keyur> it is required in any case to work 08:59 < Zaw> he said that the MAC and IP were never changing, arp is not an issue at that point. 08:59 < keyur> so i should remove it 09:00 < keyur> yes my mac and ip are not changing currently 09:00 < keyur> up to now 09:01 < Zaw> if you're chaning the MAC, you're putting more variables into the troubleshooting mix 09:01 < jammcq> his MAC/IP aren't changing, but if he is moving to different ports on a switch, the switch could be getting confused. I've been hit by that on more than one occasion 09:01 < keyur> yes 09:01 < Zaw> jammcq: yes, because of stale MAC caching on the switch. you're right. 09:01 < keyur> if i change port then it confuse 09:02 < Snafu> Jamm or more to the point it always happens ... even tho some of the better stuff has far better behavior .. 09:02 < keyur> so only problem would be stale mac caching 09:02 < jammcq> Snafu: yeah, that is a better way to say it 09:02 < keyur> so which switch would be good for me to purchase 09:03 < jammcq> keyur: if that is the problem you are having, then once you set it up, and don't move cables to different ports, you should be ok 09:03 < Zaw> on the cheap, i'd go linksys or netgear. on the expensive, i'd go 3com or cisco. 09:03 < keyur> which not cache permenantly that mac 09:03 < paperclip> sorta on topic.. anyone know of a good place to get an RJ12 crossover cable and/or a DB9F to RJ12 dongle ? 09:03 < Zaw> yeah, you're not going to be changing ports all the time on the switch, are you? any switch should be fine once you have everything plugged in and after resetting the switches 09:04 < keyur> jammacq : as it is going to change 09:04 < keyur> because places are frequently changing 09:04 < Snafu> ive also seen daisy chained switches screw up NFS/UDP tftp and so on where IPX and TCP still worked ok .. 09:05 < Zaw> some managed switches let you set the MAC cache time. 09:06 < keyur> which one 09:06 < keyur> in supercom switch there is facility for setting dip level but only with 16 port switch 09:06 < keyur> so priority is high for certain port 09:07 < keyur> we can set it 09:07 < Zaw> i think the SMC tigerswitches allow you to do it, let me ssh into one to look 09:07 < Snafu> the most painfull thing ive seen an outfir go thru had old 3com 10m port switches with a 500 entry limit for MAC's so guess what when they went past 500 devices ... 09:08 -!- Mundy|work [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:08 -!- Faithful [~faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:08 < Snafu> they spent 3 months wondering why stuff would drop off the wire at random but only a few at a time .. 09:08 < keyur> its a real trouble... 09:09 < keyur> and too difficult to solve 09:09 < keyur> without such a good knowledge 09:09 < davus> zaw: hey you have SMC tigerswitches (off topic) 09:09 < davus> ? 09:09 < davus> do you know what kind of cable you need to console into them, we "inherited" some 09:10 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has joined #ltsp 09:10 < keyur> now i m going to trying with remove that dlink switch and then look at solution 09:10 < keyur> i will give my reply after 5 minute 09:10 < keyur> just wait 09:10 < Snafu> Key that could possibly fix it ... 09:10 < keyur> it may or may not work 09:11 < keyur> ok 09:11 < Zaw> davus: yeah i use them 09:12 < Snafu> cheap switches have been seen not to daisy chain well 09:12 < davus> we have tried a reg. serial cable, and serial with a null modem but we can't get into the switch management 09:13 < Snafu> Dav dont use winblows for a terminal 09:13 < Snafu> Dav or at least make a cable that ties up the hardware handshake 09:13 < davus> lol, it just so happens the machine next to the switches is a winblows 09:14 < keyur> i would be disconnected for few minute 09:14 < Snafu> well use minicom on linux instead or even procom on dos at least hardware handshake can be shut off 09:14 < keyur> as i have to remove that switch 09:14 < keyur> just hold on 09:14 < keyur> i will be back in 5 minute 09:14 < keyur> thanks 09:14 < keyur> to all 09:15 < Snafu> and the speed is usually 9600 8 n 1 ... but eith no handshake at all 09:16 < davus> i'll haul it over to linux station and try it, it's worth the effort if it works 09:16 < Snafu> cisco is nice ... they give you a nice console cable ribbon and several snapp on adaptors 09:17 < davus> ci$co 09:17 < Snafu> i have a whole trash bag of cisco cables .... 09:17 < Snafu> soldered one of them into my SGI for a console cable ( grr they have that sucky round plug for serial ) 09:19 < Snafu> best part ... the snap on adaptor heh has the handshake lines tied "online" DTR etc ... so that winblows hyper term po shit will even work .. 09:20 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:20 < paperclip> hmm.. i don't think rj12 crossover cables are readily availble.. 09:20 < Snafu> null modem wont work cause while they cross over the signals the router dont supply any signals so crossing em dont help you ... 09:22 < davus> snafu: what do you think of HP Procurves (go easy, we have a truckload of them) 09:22 < davus> (i saw what you said about layer 3 already... :-)) 09:23 < Snafu> heh the last HP router i saw was total shit 09:23 < Snafu> i have to admit im spoiled IBM was the worst router i saw 09:23 < davus> well that's a relief :-) 09:23 < Snafu> cisco is expensive ... but im a major cisco IOS fan 09:24 < paperclip> heh 09:24 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:24 < davus> we have a chain of procurves, and the responsiveness on LTSP stations at the edge can be a little shaky 09:24 < Snafu> i love their CLI interface .. the ability to tftp the cfg file and upload it back after edit etc ... 09:24 < davus> as much as a few seconds off 09:25 < davus> yes i took a course on cisco routers/switches 09:25 < davus> not an expert by far, but they are pretty cool :-) 09:25 < davus> unfortunately, we can't afford much 09:25 < Zaw> davus: so you don't have an original serial cable that came with the switch? 09:25 < Snafu> commonly you would not edit the cfg in router ... but edit in a text editor ... and just upload direct to the things nvram so it would take effect next boot ... 09:26 < davus> no, they were donated, we're a school 09:26 < Snafu> a big plus since it prevented losing the networking link during the upload of the cfg etc .. 09:26 < Zaw> i can look to see if i have an extra one 09:26 < Zaw> brb 09:26 < davus> "prevented losing the networking link" that got me many times 09:26 < davus> zaw: SWEET :-) 09:27 < Snafu> anyhow the HP router i saw was this tty menu thing with a poor layout and clumsy and ever more so the more complex the setup became ... 09:27 < davus> i still do the blonde thing (no offense to any blondes) and ifdown while I'm in an ssh session, then smack my head on the desk 09:28 < davus> yes the telnet interfaces are clumsy and inconsistent across models 09:28 < jammcq> yeah, blondes are doing that all the time :) 09:28 < Snafu> cisco with their uploadable text file for cfg is tops in my book ... 09:28 < davus> you can get to a command line, i prefer that method 09:28 < davus> :-) 09:30 < Snafu> ya but if your static route table is large and your filter list is large .. and if the thing has 40 interfaces on it ... ya know T3's frame and channeled ... the cfg can be rather large ... 09:30 < davus> oh i wasn't referring to that, i was referring to getting around HPs interface ;-) 09:30 < Snafu> the ability to have and examine the whole thing on paper and in a text editor ... and just upload the whole shebang .. 09:30 < Snafu> worth more than gold ... 09:31 < davus> yeah, we did that- saved my butt a couple times in lab 09:31 < Snafu> oh ya the HP i saw had a command line ... but it didnt offer much most *HAD* to be dont via the damn menu . 09:32 < Snafu> and if your network was very large and had lots of routes and filters ... well i guess ya could just shoot yourself instead 09:32 < davus> lol, maybe it was an old one? there is much more funcionality on our lower end procurves from the command line than the menu 09:32 < davus> port security etc... 09:33 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 09:33 < Snafu> about the only time i was cross with my cisco was the run from flash boxes where ya couldnt upload a new kernel live ... 09:34 < Snafu> most are better and can have more than one kernel in flash .. 09:34 < Snafu> and run from ram not flash .. 09:37 < Snafu> anyhow im a cisco bigot ... their cli and what they offer to work with has me smitten with em ... 09:38 < davus> i can think of worse things to obsessed with than cisco switches... 09:38 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:38 < Snafu> their little 1600 was like ... a desktop 2500 ... 09:38 < Zaw> ok, i'm 99% sure that this is the right cable 09:39 < Zaw> i don't have a SMC switch in front of me to test it with though 09:39 < Zaw> it looks identical to the one i carry with me in my laptop bag, and i got it out of a package that had the SMC manual in it 09:40 < davus> if you can hook me up I will buy you a virtual beer :-) 09:40 < Zaw> i can probably mail it out today if you can msg/email me an address 09:40 < Zaw> zaw@subneural.net 09:41 < davus> sweet! 09:42 < Snafu> hopefully it ties CTS/CD and such up so your ( gag puke ) Hyperterm !!! ( pain freak ) will work ... 09:42 < davus> zaw: just emailed you 09:42 < Zaw> k 09:42 < Snafu> me i cheat i have linux on my laptop ... minicom what else ya need ? 09:43 < Zaw> i know i've used minicom with the smc switches and serial cable successfully 09:44 < Snafu> yeah you can turn HW handshake off 09:45 < paperclip> just out of curiosity.. which linux distro does a cisco bigot run? 09:45 < Snafu> slackware 09:45 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:45 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 09:45 < Snafu> im too lazy for linuxfromscratch 09:45 < keyur> hello 09:45 < keyur> it not works 09:46 < keyur> even after removing d-link switch from network 09:46 < Snafu> so put it back and swap the other one .. 09:46 * paperclip is loving gentoo lately.. 09:46 < keyur> ok i should do it 09:46 < Zaw> i like gentoo, but i don't see any real advantage to it over Debian 09:46 < Zaw> davus: i'll mail this out sometime this afternoon 09:47 < paperclip> well.. debian tends to get in the way.. for me at least.. 09:47 < davus> http://www.virtualbeer.com/vb/send/redale.shtml 09:47 < Zaw> get in the way how? 09:47 < davus> for zaw, as a token of my gratitude :-) 09:47 < Zaw> hehe :) 09:47 < paperclip> dpkg-reconfigure-secrect-code-up-right-left-left-right --foo 09:48 < Snafu> what i really hate is non-tarballs for packges ( as if we needed more crap that std tools cant deal with ) and sysV init 09:48 < paperclip> there's like a layer of debianisms protecting the user from his own system =) 09:48 -!- sir__ [~sir@dialin-76.kase.fi] has joined #ltsp 09:48 < Snafu> and best of all Pat dont move things ... 09:48 < Zaw> i dunno, maybe it's because i'm very good friends with a local Debian developer here and i can have a beer with him anytime to dicuss any Debian issues i have ;) 09:49 < paperclip> also.. i like getting some of the *latest* software.. 09:49 < Zaw> yeah, they do tend to delay updates at times and that's problematic with security fixes 09:50 < paperclip> also.. there are some times where compiling makes more sense.. but for the desktop it's usually not a big deal to use the package 09:51 < Snafu> Paper its the BSD guys that have pain ... all their userspace above the clibs and vi is all linux stuff ... and all of it needs patches ... so the effort to keep the ports tree current is massive ... and then your next cvsup/make world breaks everything so 3 weeks of recompile to get it all back and ... welll 09:51 < Snafu> generally it will just wear your ass out till you give up 09:52 < paperclip> yeah.. they are hating it.. 09:53 < sir__> Hi. How much does 10 vs. 100 mg network card make difference? Is there a document that would cover what are the "minimum" hardware needed for workstation and server? A document that would compare faster hardware and it's effect compared to slower hw. 09:53 < paperclip> sir__: check the contrib section on ltsp.org 09:53 < Snafu> im happy to just read pats changlog and upgrade the stuff i care about ... no make worlds .. no broken userspace 09:54 < Snafu> and best yet linux ld.so is pretty flexable ... you can run conflicting library runtimes at the same time with a bit of forthought and wrapper script 09:54 < paperclip> yeah.. i don't upgrade everything =) 09:54 < Zaw> i've been very happy with freebsd lately 09:55 < Snafu> Zaw just dont try to track -current ... or even stable for that matter 09:55 < Zaw> oh hell no, i do -RELEASE 09:55 < Zaw> i've learned ;) 09:55 < Snafu> Zaw then what abt security patches ? 09:56 < Zaw> security patches are included in -release 09:56 < paperclip> sir__: hmm.. you know i'm not seeing that stuff there (anymore) 09:56 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@cvip-as01-ppp60.cvip.net] has joined #ltsp 09:56 < Zaw> although i've done some manually when they take too long 09:57 < Zaw> it's not a big deal to apply a patch against a port or kernel and recompile it 09:57 < Zaw> and there have been security fixes that were as simple as changing a sysctl variable, too 09:58 < Snafu> now ill admit it dont happen that often .. but heres the deal ... new telnetd hole ! ... ok so the "bug" is fix .. to get the fix the patched code needs the newer clib .. the newer clib needs the matchingnew kernel and the new clib wont run the old user space ... ok so its cvsup make new kernel then boot and make buildworld for new clib and frends 09:58 < Zaw> simple, don't run telnetd :) 09:58 < Snafu> ok all done your patched .. opps now all your gnu stuff is broken !! 09:58 -!- sir__ [~sir@dialin-76.kase.fi] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:58 < Zaw> the patched code should never require a newer clib, that's evil. 09:59 < Snafu> i used telnetd as an example .. what im saying is that they are not modular ... in linux the kernel and the clib is not an interdependant matched set ... 09:59 < Zaw> or it should at least allow you to compile it statically in its own userspace 09:59 < Snafu> in the BSDs they often are .. 09:59 < Zaw> i agree, linux by design is better 09:59 < Zaw> freebsd is rather... monolithic in design 09:59 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:00 < Snafu> yes its a towering cvs monolith and because its all in one pile the whole pile is tossed like a salad pretty often .. 10:01 < Snafu> in linux its all about modularity instaed where these interchangable bit connect via clean interfaces ... the end result is we avoid lots of the pain they go thru ... 10:01 < Snafu> and better yet more can party on the code without tromping on others toes 10:02 < Zaw> yep 10:03 < Zaw> which is why i like gentoo a lot, but they still need a better install interface 10:03 < Zaw> it's rather openbsd-ish during the install process 10:03 < paperclip> better interface? 10:04 < paperclip> it's a shell 10:04 < Zaw> hehe, right 10:04 < paperclip> anyone tried this.. http://www.pcxperience.org/thinclient/documentation/index.html ?? 10:04 < Snafu> funny part .. they look on our modularity or rather the non-centrality, where major parts of the design authority is distributed in utter horror , its the opposite of the BSD control freak culture of the blessed Hi Priests surrounding the holy cvs monolith .. 10:05 < Zaw> paperclip: i haven't 10:05 < Zaw> and they didn't need to develop an entirely new package system, they could have used apt or such 10:05 < paperclip> looks interesting.. 10:06 < paperclip> who could have used apt? 10:06 < Zaw> gentoo 10:06 < paperclip> they don't use packages at all =) 10:06 < paperclip> all tarballs and such 10:06 < paperclip> they only mirror them.. and provide patches for some.. 10:06 < Zaw> yeah, it's very freebsd ports-ish 10:07 < Zaw> emerge bleh 10:07 < Snafu> hell LTSP is almost as much a part of "linux" as is the maintainer of textutils, or the pcmcia guys ... and the same code parties on the perifery are not there on the BSD's .. 10:08 < Snafu> if they would think about going modular .. it would help them me thinks ... but i see little chance of it .. 10:09 < Zaw> that one dude 'Theo' can't remember the rest of his name, is one of the biggest egomaniacs i've encountered 10:09 < Zaw> based on his attitude, it'll never change 10:09 < jammcq> Radcliff 10:09 < jammcq> DeRadtt ? 10:09 < jammcq> something like that 10:09 < Zaw> Theo de Raadt 10:09 < Zaw> yeah 10:09 < jammcq> well kids, I gotta run. Time to attend a conference session 10:10 < Zaw> me too, ttyl 10:10 < Snafu> and whats the deal about /proc/ ? they seem utterly anal that proc stay threadbare and useless for system info "if our ctl tools dont provide it, you dont need it" 10:11 < Snafu> i kinda think plaintext info is kinda neat ... 10:11 < Snafu> cat /proc/pci from a bootdisk is kinda neat 10:13 < Snafu> and usefull ... but freebsd /proc/ is just as informative as the 1991 sysV running on my mips 3000 sony .. 10:16 < paperclip> isn't linux moving away from textual info in /proc, or is that what you are talking about ? 10:17 < Snafu> heh not untill linus is dead 10:18 < paperclip> well.. you know.. for the last couple of years when i'm trying to help someone out in #debian.. i usually say "cat /proc/pci" to find out what some bit of hardware is.. 10:18 < paperclip> and almost always someone says to me.. "use lspci" 10:18 < Snafu> its the ioctls that linus talked bout doing away with ( and cause a lot of noise ) so i think he relented .. 10:18 < paperclip> and i say... "why? everyone has cat.. " 10:19 < paperclip> shadow root # lspci 10:19 < paperclip> -bash: lspci: command not found 10:19 < paperclip> heh.. i still don't have it installed 10:19 -!- sir__ [~sir@dialin-74.kase.fi] has joined #ltsp 10:19 < Snafu> ya busybox dont have lspci that btw needs that PCI vendor file in /share somewhere to work ... 10:19 < Snafu> but yup cat always works ;=) 10:19 < paperclip> yeah.. 10:20 < sir__> paperclip: Sorry, my connection broke and didn't dial again right away. 10:21 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:22 < Snafu> or ssh -l root -P remote "(cat /proc/pci ; cat /proc/cpuinfo)" | (cat >> /remotehw) && less /remotehw 10:22 < paperclip> sir__: np... 10:22 < paperclip> let me see if i can find a real link.. 10:23 -!- lanius [heino@p508E2690.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 10:23 < paperclip> http://emergic.com/whitepaper.html 10:23 < paperclip> that's one.. 10:23 < sir__> paperclip: Thank you so much. Unfortunately I have to go now. Sorry and bye! 10:23 -!- sir__ [~sir@dialin-74.kase.fi] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 10:24 < paperclip> buh 10:24 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has joined #LTSP 10:24 < Snafu> my coffee is empty again ... that keeps happening ... 10:24 < paperclip> heh.. you don't sleep either.. 10:25 < paperclip> you were here when i passed out at 1:30am 10:25 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 10:25 < Snafu> sleep sorray ass subt for caffene ... 10:25 < paperclip> heh 10:25 < Snafu> beside caffine aint a drug ... its a vitamine ... 10:25 < paperclip> heh 10:26 < paperclip> i think i need to killall frozen-bubble it's just taunting me.. 10:27 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 10:28 -!- jammcq [~jam@p172.n-sfpop03.stsn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:33 -!- Gosub [~chatzilla@213.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #ltsp 10:37 -!- Gosub [~chatzilla@213.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:43 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 10:51 < keyur> hi 10:51 < keyur> i m back 10:51 < keyur> it works only with d-link switch 10:51 < keyur> i have tasted it by replacing switches 10:52 < keyur> Snafu : i works only with d-link 10:53 < keyur> Zaw : it only works with d-link switch 10:54 < keyur> i think its mac address cache is there in it 10:54 < keyur> ok bye 10:54 < keyur> its too late for 10:54 < keyur> me 10:54 < keyur> good night 10:54 < keyur> i will meet u tommorow 10:54 < keyur> excatly after 13 hours 10:54 < keyur> thanks all to support me 10:55 < keyur> if any solllution then give me 10:55 < keyur> i will wait tommorow 10:55 < keyur> bye 10:55 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:58 -!- Faithful [~faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 10:58 -!- Mundy|work [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #LTSP 11:03 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-0895.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 11:07 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:14 -!- brainless [cbca@203.115.76.182] has joined #ltsp 11:16 -!- Nine_finger_DK [~guf@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ltsp 11:32 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["now going out ..."] 11:38 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@cvip-as01-ppp60.cvip.net] has quit ["Money talks, bullshit walks..."] 12:09 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-180-183.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 12:37 -!- manimay__ [~manimay@pD9544F7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 12:42 -!- manimay_ [~manimay@pD95442E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:43 < Zaw> jammcq: you around? 12:54 -!- jammcq [~jam@pcp01444177pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 12:55 < jammcq> sum ? 12:55 < jammcq> sup ? 12:59 < mfdutra> hi 12:59 < jammcq> hey mfdutra 13:00 < jammcq> Linux world is coming soon :) 13:00 < mfdutra> yep! :) 13:01 < mfdutra> were you in oregon? 13:01 < jammcq> I'm in Portland 13:03 -!- WX [~chris@64.215.19.211] has joined #ltsp 13:04 < mfdutra> hmm nice 13:04 < mfdutra> conference? 13:05 < jammcq> yep, the O'Reilly open source conference 13:05 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has joined #ltsp 13:05 < jammcq> i'm in a talk right now by Bruce Momjian, talking about triggers and functions in Postgres 13:06 < WX> hi 13:07 < mfdutra> hmmm nice 13:15 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:17 < Zaw> should we just order these Jammin 125's from disklessworkstations.com? 13:18 -!- jammcq [~jam@pcp01444177pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["My damn controlling terminal disappeared!"] 13:39 -!- krazh [~serveradm@trm-228-138.tm.net.my] has joined #ltsp 13:50 -!- WX [~chris@64.215.19.211] has quit ["Client exiting"] 13:50 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 13:55 -!- Nine_finger_DK [~guf@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 14:05 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-163-251.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 14:06 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 14:06 < dobwan> drevil seen jammcq 14:06 < dobwan> drevil3 seen jammcq 14:06 < drevil3> jammcq was last seen on #ltsp 1 hours, 1 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: i'm in a talk right now by Bruce Momjian, talking about triggers and functions in Postgres [Tue Jul 8 04:10:45 2003] 14:26 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 14:28 -!- davus [~davus@206.183.158.36] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:35 -!- krazh [~serveradm@trm-228-138.tm.net.my] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 14:49 -!- theles [~theles@200.186.217.173] has joined #ltsp 14:50 < theles> Hi folks. 14:51 < theles> Does anyone know if there is some software that works as Terminal Services Server on Linux? 14:52 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-163-251.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 14:54 < Zaw> i'm not sure what you're asking, what exactly are you looking for? 14:54 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:05 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:07 -!- theles [~theles@200.186.217.173] has left #ltsp ["Finalizando Cliente"] 15:09 -!- tacocat [~tallison@nic-29-c112-4.twmi.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 15:23 -!- jammcq [~jam@pcp01444177pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 15:23 < jammcq> moo 15:24 < ragnar> having fun? 15:25 < jammcq> hey ragnar, how's it going ? 15:25 < jammcq> did you have your holiday in France ? 15:25 < ragnar> just back 15:25 < ragnar> looooong drive :-) 15:25 < jammcq> all relaxed and ready to get back to work ? 15:25 < jammcq> YOU DROVE !!! wow 15:25 < ragnar> yup, a week of yacht racing 15:26 < ragnar> great to be a consultant during the summer, nothing to do but have fun :-) 15:26 < ragnar> yeah, did 5000 km in two weeks 15:26 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:26 < ragnar> jammcq: are you at a conference? 15:27 < jammcq> yep, I'm at the O'Reilly conf 15:28 < ragnar> i saw something about translations when skimming thru my email. anything up? 15:28 < ragnar> getting ltsp 4.0 ready for beta? 15:29 < jammcq> yheah, i've got most of the packing issues worked out. I can generate .tgz's, but I need to work a bit on rpms and then debs 15:29 < ragnar> ok. you going to do the debs yourself? 15:30 < jammcq> dunno, i'll probably get someone to help 15:30 < jammcq> maybe Georg 15:30 < ragnar> he's done a good job on the 3 series. 15:31 < ragnar> and docs? started on that or outsourcing it? ;-) 15:31 < jammcq> not much in the way of new docs yet 15:31 < jammcq> David Johnstons will be helping organize that. He keeps asking me for some rough drafts, but I just haven't had time 15:32 < ragnar> ok. guess the rest of us need to chip in at some point when you say it's not going to change much anymore 15:32 < jammcq> yeah, would be cool 15:33 < ragnar> is it about stable now? 15:33 < jammcq> mostly 15:34 < jammcq> the only thing changing is the build scripts. very little changing of the actual code 15:34 < jammcq> I need to move up to 2.4.21 kernel 15:35 < jammcq> hey, I spent yesterday with Eric Harrison (k12ltsp) 15:35 < ragnar> and the admin feel of the thing will not change much i would imagine. it's him you target 15:35 < ragnar> oh yes 15:35 < jammcq> I added a neat little hack to the getltscfg program. 15:35 < ragnar> yeah? 15:35 < jammcq> ya know how you can have sections like: [Default], [ws001], [129.168.0.1] and [00:40:00:50:11:A1] 15:36 < ragnar> yup 15:36 < jammcq> using hostname, IP and mac addr ? 15:36 < ragnar> yes 15:36 < jammcq> well, now you can use regular expressions too :) 15:36 < ragnar> ooo 15:36 < ragnar> 129. 15:36 < jammcq> for example: [/ws00.*/] 15:36 < ragnar> ^ws*$ 15:36 < jammcq> yeah 15:36 < ragnar> cool 15:37 < jammcq> or [/00:40:.*/] 15:37 < ragnar> but you're sticking with the grouping thing? 15:37 < jammcq> yep 15:37 < ragnar> good 15:37 < jammcq> just added regex to the matching of the section 15:37 -!- Chatsucka [~chatzilla@aurora.msm.net] has joined #ltsp 15:37 < jammcq> and it will only do regex if the first character is '/' 15:37 < ragnar> so [netvista] and like [netvista] or somesuch 15:37 < jammcq> so, your example would be: [/^ws.*$/] 15:37 < ragnar> ah 15:40 < jammcq> without the leading slash, it would treat it as a char string 15:40 < ragnar> heh, you just added about 400 lines of docs to explain that ;-) 15:40 < jammcq> with the slash, it treats it as a regex pattern 15:40 < ragnar> ummm, sounds good 15:40 < jammcq> yeah, it's about 20 lines of code :) 15:40 < jammcq> eHarrison got a request from someone who needed to do that by MAC addr 15:40 < ragnar> heh, good ole rule: docs = ten times the code 15:40 < jammcq> he noticed that all of his compaqs had the same first 3 bytesin the MAC 15:40 < jammcq> ok, class is starting. 'Mastering Data Structures and References in Perl' 15:41 < ragnar> have fun 15:41 < ragnar> i'm off to bed 15:41 < jammcq> with Paul Grassie and Tom Christiansen 15:41 < jammcq> g'night 15:41 < ragnar> oh, youre in good company 15:41 < ragnar> see ya next week probabably, i'm sailing the rest of the week 15:41 < jammcq> cool 15:41 < jammcq> see ya 15:42 -!- Chatsucka [~chatzilla@aurora.msm.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 15:57 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["now going out ..."] 16:02 -!- f [~carlos@200.77.20.170] has joined #ltsp 16:02 < f> hi 16:23 -!- jammcq [~jam@pcp01444177pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["My damn controlling terminal disappeared!"] 16:27 -!- f is now known as carlos-aka-pedro 16:56 < robbie> mornings 17:00 < carlos-aka-pedro> hi robbie 17:00 < robbie> hi 17:01 < carlos-aka-pedro> zup 17:12 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:19 < carlos-aka-pedro> ping 17:25 -!- elumin8 [elumin8@24.231.168.110] has joined #ltsp 17:26 < carlos-aka-pedro> ping 17:27 -!- carlos-aka-pedro [~carlos@200.77.20.170] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 17:30 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:34 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:36 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:36 -!- elumin8 [elumin8@24.231.168.110] has quit [] 17:36 -!- elumin8 [elumin8@24.231.168.110] has joined #ltsp 17:36 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:39 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 17:50 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-180-183.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:57 -!- jammcq [~jam@pcp01444177pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 17:57 < jammcq> yo 17:57 < Zaw> hi 17:59 < elumin8> I was getting a NFS: server not responding so i setup the new kernel from ltsp.org and now i don't get taht error but the machine doesn't go past Doing the pivot_root... I tcpdumped and it looks like the packets are fragments then it arps and repeats 18:01 < jammcq> elumin8: fragmenting is normal in nfs 18:01 < jammcq> can you do this: grep broadcast /etc/dhcpd.conf 18:01 -!- Deb][an [voncmv@h-66-167-58-19.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:01 < elumin8> ahh, what about ws001 > firewall: icmp: ip reassembly time exceeded 18:01 < elumin8> yeah one second 18:02 < elumin8> option broadcast-address 10.254.255.255; 18:02 < jammcq> are you running the ltsp stuff on your firewall ? 18:02 < elumin8> jammcq i think you were trying to help me last time 18:02 < Snafu> 254 ? 18:02 < elumin8> yeah on my firewall 18:02 < jammcq> bad idea 18:02 < elumin8> really why? 18:03 < jammcq> unless you are really good with iptables rules 18:03 < elumin8> yeah i am pretty good 18:03 < jammcq> the LTSP server should be INSIDE your firewall 18:03 < elumin8> it is totally blocked off from the outside world 18:03 < jammcq> well, it sounds like it's blocked off from the inside world as well 18:03 < Snafu> mask is 255.128.0.0 ? er .. 255.254.0.0 ? 18:03 < elumin8> but it snags the kernel and actually mounts 18:03 < jammcq> try turning off iptables, and see if that solves the problem. Then, you'll have to go back to your rules 18:04 < elumin8> in my logs it shows it as mounting 18:04 < elumin8> k i will try that 18:05 < Snafu> and you can wrote the fw rules to leave the backside card passall and filter on the front card 18:06 -!- elumin8_ [elumin8@24.231.168.110] has joined #ltsp 18:06 < elumin8_> jammcq disabling iptables didn't fix it 18:06 < Snafu> mask is 255.128.0.0 ? er .. 255.254.0.0 ? 18:06 < jammcq> ok 18:06 < elumin8_> just sits at the pivot still 18:07 < jammcq> do this: grep subnet-mask /etc/dhcpd.conf 18:07 < elumin8_> i got this all working on redhat 18:07 < elumin8_> option subnet-mask 255.255.0.0; 18:07 < Snafu> bcast is wrong then 18:08 < elumin8_> snafu why is it wrong? 18:08 < jammcq> not if his net is 10.254.0.0 18:08 < elumin8_> thats what i thought 18:08 < Snafu> Jamm if its that .. 18:08 < elumin8_> its 10.254.0.0 18:08 < jammcq> yeah, you were here a couple weeks ago, weren't you ? 18:08 < Snafu> its so unusual .. i wondered ok heh welp 18:09 < Snafu> have you tried packet size on the exports ? 18:09 < elumin8_> yeah 2 weeks ago i belive 18:09 < elumin8_> snafu whats that? 18:09 < jammcq> packet size won't matter, cuz the linuxrc script mounts it, passing 4096 I believe 18:10 < Snafu> ok 4096 should work .. 18:10 < Snafu> ok what about dns revers delay ... 18:10 < elumin8_> rpc.mountd authenticated mount request from ws001:690 for /opt/ltsp/i386 18:10 < Snafu> where tcpwrapper in portmap or elsewhere is hanging on a dns rev lookup 18:11 < elumin8_> thats what my logger says 18:11 < jammcq> elumin8_: do this: grep portmap /etc/hosts.allow 18:11 < jammcq> although I would expect it to fail sooner 18:11 < elumin8_> i don't have a hosts.allow or deny file 18:11 < elumin8_> so it is wide open 18:12 < elumin8_> the only thing i think is wierd is this icmp: ip reassemble time exceeded 18:12 < jammcq> hub or switch ? 18:12 < elumin8_> hub 18:12 < elumin8_> used to have a switch but i just got rid of it 18:12 < jammcq> when it loads the kernel is it really fast, or does it take a few seconds ? 18:12 < elumin8_> really fast 18:13 < elumin8_> maybe 3 seconds to get to the pivot thing 18:13 < jammcq> hmm 18:13 < elumin8_> i even changed the nic in my firewall thinking it was that 18:13 < elumin8_> because i read that the 3coms can have issues 18:13 < elumin8_> so i switched to a realtek 18:13 < elumin8_> and i got a ibm eepro100 in the thin client 18:13 < Snafu> the dns lokup can time it out ... you get the "success" in the logs long after the ws has timed out 18:14 < elumin8_> well i am getting 4 arps 2 from both boxes after the fragments 18:14 < elumin8_> so it might be this dns lookup thing 18:14 < Snafu> fix is to have the rev lookup resolve to somthing .. or else at least have it fail quickly ... 18:14 < jammcq> is the workstation listed in /etc/hosts ? 18:15 < elumin8_> yup 18:15 < elumin8_> thats why tcpdump resolves it 18:15 < jammcq> then it's not likely a DNS problem 18:15 < elumin8_> to its ip 18:15 < elumin8_> and to the name 18:16 < Snafu> is portmapper running on the server ? 18:16 < elumin8_> i think all my problems is me running gentoo 18:16 < elumin8_> yeah 18:16 < elumin8_> ill double check though 18:16 < jammcq> ah, gentoo 18:16 < Snafu> load order is important it mist be started before the rest of nfs or it wont work right 18:16 < jammcq> someone was here a few weeks ago with gentoo, and I think they had to change the NFS package 18:16 < elumin8_> yeah portmap is started at boot 18:16 < jammcq> if it was a portmapper problem, you wouldn't have gotten this far 18:16 < elumin8_> and then nfs is started at default 18:17 < elumin8_> alrighty 18:17 < elumin8_> yeah i tried three different nfs packages 18:17 < elumin8_> well three different ebuilds 18:17 < elumin8_> short of downloading it from the sourceforge page and self compiling 18:17 < elumin8_> ltsp rules though 18:18 < elumin8_> got it running at work on rh 9.0 with novell authentication 18:18 < Snafu> the way its started can be the deal too ya can grab the slackware tarball and scarf their rc.nfsd init script 18:18 < Snafu> for example you can force off nfs version 3 18:18 < elumin8_> yeah i did that before coming in here 18:18 < elumin8_> right now it is running nfs version 2 18:19 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:19 < Snafu> i had to do the nfsv3 off thing due to my sgi .. 18:21 < elumin8_> could my ltsp install be screwed up which is causing it not to finish loading? 18:22 < jammcq> possible, but not very likely 18:22 < jammcq> do this: ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386 18:22 -!- elumin8 [elumin8@24.231.168.110] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:23 < elumin8_> man dirs are there 18:23 < jammcq> huh ? 18:23 < jammcq> man ? 18:23 < jammcq> you mean 'many' ? 18:23 < elumin8_> bin,dev,etc,lib,oldroot,proc,root,sbin,tmp,usr 18:23 < elumin8_> i ment main 18:23 < elumin8_> sorry 18:24 < Zaw> heh 18:24 < jammcq> ok, looks fine 18:24 < jammcq> do you have a 'var' symlink ? 18:24 < elumin8_> no do i need one? 18:24 < elumin8_> :) 18:25 < jammcq> yeah, /opt/ltsp/i386/var MUST be a symlink to /tmp/var 18:25 < elumin8_> hrmm didn't have one of those 18:25 < elumin8_> lol 18:25 < elumin8_> we shall see if that fixes it 18:25 < Snafu> kinda says perhaps the package onboard is only a partial 18:25 < jammcq> I think i've seen other Gentoo users with this problem of missing symlink 18:25 < jammcq> so, ln -s /tmp/var /opt/ltsp/i386/var 18:26 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 18:26 < elumin8_> i did 18:26 < elumin8_> switching monitor brb 18:26 < Snafu> Jamm due to defaults in their version of tar perhaps ? thats bad ... 18:26 < elumin8_> same 18:27 < elumin8_> no there were a lot of errors while installing that ebuild 18:27 < elumin8_> i did most of it by hand because i thought the ebuild was brok 18:27 < Snafu> sounds like gentoo is broke .. 18:28 < Snafu> well im with Jamm perhaps your nfs is still the deal 18:28 < tacocat> gentoo the distro or gentoo the file manager? 18:29 < elumin8_> it works with everything else, sometimes the packages are broke especailly when they are first making them 18:29 < elumin8_> distro 18:29 < tacocat> bummer... 18:29 * tacocat is nervous about the fork and what the future holds 18:29 < elumin8_> ltsp doesn't officailly support gentoo 18:29 < jammcq> hey tacocat, whassup ? 18:29 < jammcq> but LTSP-4 will support gentoo 18:29 < elumin8_> ahh didn't know that 18:29 < tacocat> :) Not much, thought I would come back and lurk a bit. It's been a while 18:30 < arc> hi jammcq 18:30 < tacocat> Nice trip? 18:30 < jammcq> hey arc, whassup ? 18:30 < jammcq> tacocat: which one ? 18:30 < jammcq> i'm on one now 18:30 < tacocat> Oh, that one... 18:30 < Snafu> you could cheat ... you could look in pats slackware source tree for nfs ... and see what adustments he makes ... slackbuild scripts etc .. because its laid out simply .. and perhaps something in there will stand out as a gotcha ... 18:30 < jammcq> i'm at the O'Reilly conference in portland 18:30 < jammcq> good so far 18:31 < tacocat> I tried to get my work to send me, but they couldn't swing it. 18:31 < jammcq> yeah, it's damned expensive. I was lucky. I gave a talk for O'Reilly a couple years ago, so I qualified as an 'Educator' and got the 50% discount. Then, I did the early bird registration, giving me 20% off that 18:32 < tacocat> nice! 18:32 < tacocat> I haven't used LTSP in a while since I changed my network around and lost my switch. 18:33 < jammcq> yeah, then, they had some kind of deal where if you sign up for the whole conference, including 2 tutorials, you get 2 additional tutorials for free 18:33 < jammcq> so, it's a deal that I didn't want to pass up 18:33 < tacocat> But it's still there and "just works" 18:33 < jammcq> :) 18:33 < tacocat> Definitely worth it. I would have pushed at the home front, but we just got back from Hawaii. 18:33 < jammcq> ah, ya bumm 18:34 < tacocat> :P 18:34 < tacocat> mug meets on Thursday? 18:34 < jammcq> tuesday 18:34 < jammcq> tomorrow 18:34 < jammcq> I will miss it :( 18:34 < tacocat> Oh! How convenient. I liked the people and the talk, but the food was pretty low on the scale. 18:35 < Snafu> if the var symlink is missing what about all the symlinks in /bin/ heh ... 18:35 < jammcq> well, we felt the same thing, so we moved 18:35 < jammcq> the meetings are now at the farmington library 18:35 < jammcq> nice place, and then dinner afterwards 18:35 < tacocat> I just found it. 18:36 < jammcq> Snafu: interesting question 18:36 < Snafu> Jam sent a shudder right thru me ... 18:36 < tacocat> Sorry I missed May mtg. 18:38 -!- pantz [~pantz@modemcable080.161-131-66.nowhere.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:50 -!- tacocat [~tallison@nic-29-c112-4.twmi.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:51 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.151.14] has joined #ltsp 19:11 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 19:17 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 19:22 -!- bintut [~bintut@203.215.79.205] has joined #ltsp 19:22 < bintut> hello all.. 19:25 -!- dobwan_ [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 19:33 -!- brainless [cbca@203.115.76.182] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:39 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:40 -!- dobwan_ [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 19:42 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.151.14] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:12 -!- slidesinger [~jtatum@pcp03291665pcs.arnysm01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["Download Gaim [http://gaim.sourceforge.net/]"] 20:21 -!- slidesinger [~jtatum@pcp03291665pcs.arnysm01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 20:23 -!- elumin8_ [elumin8@24.231.168.110] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 20:25 -!- Faithful [~faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:35 -!- Mundy|work [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:38 -!- Mundy|work [~mundy@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #LTSP 20:38 -!- Faithful [~faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 20:44 -!- carlos-aka-pedro [~carlos@200.77.20.170] has joined #ltsp 20:44 < carlos-aka-pedro> I am using icewm, a few times I select INIT > EXIT > ACCEPT and nothing happens! 20:44 < carlos-aka-pedro> any ideas? 20:51 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:07 -!- carlos-aka-pedro [~carlos@200.77.20.170] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 21:43 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 21:58 < jammcq> hey guys 21:59 < slidesinger> hi jammcq 21:59 < jammcq> hey jon 21:59 < jammcq> how goes it ? 22:00 * bintut waves to jammcq. 22:00 < jammcq> hmm, all kinds of people here tonight :) 22:01 < slidesinger> Quite well, actually. I'll actually have a completed, basic, business plan in a couple of days. I'm also looking into new products I can introduce to my (admittedly small) client base. 22:01 < bintut> anybody tried patching the ltsp kernel with con kolivas patch? 22:01 < jammcq> what is con colivas patch ? 22:01 < bintut> http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ 22:02 < bintut> These are patches designed to improve system responsiveness, with emphasis on desktop pcs. Thanks go to all the real kernel developers who made them. 22:02 < jammcq> do you really need better responsiveness on an ltsp client ? 22:02 * slidesinger chuckles 22:03 < bintut> not necessarily.. 22:03 < bintut> but much better if it should.. 22:03 < slidesinger> jammcq: maybe you'll get more out of having a patched server-side kernel, but I don't think patching a terminal side kernel is going to do much as there is no overhead there. 22:03 < bintut> i'm just thinking other alternatives to make it more faster.. 22:03 < bintut> :) 22:04 < jammcq> well, they are making it more responsive to keystrokes by taking away performance somewhere else 22:04 < bintut> i was also thinking of patching the ltsp-kernel with openmosix kernel patch.. 22:04 < jammcq> what if they are making networking performance worse ? 22:05 < jammcq> or disk IO accesses worse 22:05 < slidesinger> bintut: OTOH, if these patches are worthwhile, they'll show up in the next production kernel. 22:05 < bintut> i actually think that, too. :) hehehe.. 22:05 < slidesinger> jammcq: that would have a serious detrimental effect on the whole system. 22:05 < jammcq> there's only so much performance you'll squeeze out of a cpu 22:06 < jammcq> giving more of it to the keyboard WILL give it less somewhere else 22:06 < slidesinger> jammcq: have you seen LTSP work on an IBM mainframe yet? 22:06 < jammcq> yes, I ran LTSP on both an s390 and on an as400 22:06 < bintut> jammcq: what can you say if ltsp-kernel will patched with grsecurity/lids/selinux? 22:07 < jammcq> bintut: dunno about that 22:07 < slidesinger> We have a guy here running it on an s390. Unbelievable what some serious IO can do for you, isn't it? 22:07 < jammcq> heh, cool 22:07 < jammcq> is it actually in production ? 22:08 < bintut> jammcq: i was invited for a R&D for LTSP extra services for a DSL subscription.. 22:08 < slidesinger> I don't know. I've seen it and it is at NJ State Police HQ, but I don't know if it's in production yet. Plans are to make it a production environment last I heard. 22:09 < jammcq> sweet 22:09 < slidesinger> Yeah, they can run the whole campus on that box. 22:09 < bintut> that's why i'm thinking of different implementations on which the performance will be smooth.. 22:10 * slidesinger notes that the campus has more than 500 boxes. 22:10 < bintut> that kernel patching thingie popped right away in my mind.. 22:10 < slidesinger> jammcq: have you seen the new Tyan server? 22:10 < bintut> but i don't know it's result.. 22:11 < jammcq> nope, haven't seen it 22:12 < slidesinger> http://www.tyan.com/products/html/gx28b2880t1s.html 22:12 < slidesinger> Dual opteron processors 22:12 < slidesinger> 4 hotswap SCSI drives 22:12 < slidesinger> 0 Channel RAID 22:13 < slidesinger> all in a 1u chassis. 22:34 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:38 -!- peterw [~peterw@203-219-225-86-syd-ts24-2600.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 22:39 < peterw> hi 22:39 < peterw> has anyone used a logitech webcam with a jammin? 22:52 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 22:52 < keyur> hi 22:52 < peterw> hi 22:53 < keyur> Snafu & Zaw : my server or workstation only work if in their path switch of d-link comes 22:53 < keyur> that i have tested with different permutation and combination yesterday 22:54 < keyur> that means MAC catche is stored in that d-link 22:54 < keyur> but even after removing that d-link switch and joining with othter switch it not works 22:55 < keyur> as other switch is part of network and connected with d-link at time of execution 22:56 < keyur> so i think it has stored mac for this pair is in d-link and it searches d-link 22:56 < keyur> hammcq : hi u are also here 22:56 < keyur> look this is troubleshooting result 23:13 < keyur> d-link switch in any way needed 23:13 < keyur> ............. 23:15 -!- Bad_Panda [~webmaster@203.130.205.100] has joined #ltsp 23:16 -!- Bad_Panda is now known as jagman 23:34 < keyur> whether i should use uplink port 23:43 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 23:48 -!- NoUse [~NoUse@12-209-230-75.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp --- Day changed Tue Jul 08 2003 00:06 < keyur> hi...... 00:06 -!- NoUse [~NoUse@12-209-230-75.client.attbi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:06 < keyur> what wolud be problem? 00:17 -!- brainless [~anurag@202.149.212.198] has joined #ltsp 00:22 < keyur> whether ltsp stores mac and switch path for good performance 00:22 < keyur> server gives nfs error 00:22 < keyur> but by changing switch error is solved 00:49 -!- jammcq [~jam@pcp01444177pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["My damn controlling terminal disappeared!"] 00:49 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2411.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 00:54 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:55 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #ltsp 00:59 < keyur> hi........ 00:59 < keyur> Snafu : what is wrong with ltsp 00:59 < Snafu> nothing 00:59 < keyur> whether it also stores path 00:59 < keyur> of switch 01:00 < keyur> because it only works with that d-link switch 01:00 < Snafu> "stores path" your prob is you dont know much abot computers 01:00 < keyur> without d-link it's not working 01:00 < Snafu> heres a clue ... it has nothing to do with linux or ltsp 01:01 < keyur> because it i join this with only supercom switch then it stops working 01:01 < Snafu> winblows trains you to suspect the os ... but linux aint winblows 01:02 < keyur> whatever the way it needes d-link in his path either workstation or server 01:02 < keyur> but it needes this dlink swith in path 01:02 < Snafu> again has nothing to do with linux ... 01:02 < Snafu> or ltsp ... 01:03 < keyur> because it gives nfs error 01:03 < Snafu> and crappy cheap switches are not uncommon weak trancivers ... etc 01:03 < keyur> it find dhcp server and assign ip address to workstation 01:04 < Snafu> yup tcp spx and netbios/ip(tcp again) can deal with a crap network .... NFS is udp ... 01:04 < keyur> then trying to connect as at pivot root and gives nfs error 01:04 < Snafu> yeah but dhcp packets are small 01:05 < Snafu> whereas NFS defaults to 4096 on ltsp .. 01:05 < Snafu> and if your swich is shit it can fail 01:05 < keyur> so by changing server ethenet card will do for me 01:05 < keyur> ? 01:06 < Snafu> nothing thw fact that it works ... means it works .. 01:06 < Snafu> and it means your problem is elsewhere 01:06 < keyur> what is problem that i m enable to find 01:07 < Snafu> stop looking at the linux box that will help ... 01:07 < Snafu> it isnt dumbfuck like winblows .. 01:07 < Snafu> if it works it works .... 01:07 < keyur> only my ltsp work if in server workstation path that dlink switch comes 01:07 < keyur> other wise gives nfs error 01:07 < Snafu> yeah but dhcp packets are small 01:07 < Snafu> whereas NFS defaults to 4096 on ltsp .. 01:08 < keyur> what will be solution from your view? 01:08 < Snafu> as long as you keep lokking at linux and ltsp where because it works it isnt broken ... how will you find it ? 01:08 < keyur> i remove dlink switch and set new network then it stops 01:08 < Snafu> you already admited that the dlink switch works 01:11 < keyur> u told me to upgrade my kernel 01:11 < keyur> what to do it with this problem 01:11 < Snafu> that was a seperate issue the NFS reset bug 01:11 < Snafu> but you have it working as long as it has a good switch .. 01:11 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2411.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:12 < Snafu> so linux and ltsp are fixed ... nothing more to be done 01:12 < keyur> yes only without dlink it gives nfs error so whether it is kernel problem, nfs problem or switch problme 01:12 < Snafu> time to fix your network now .... replace that crap switch 01:12 < keyur> i have remove that crap switch from network 01:13 < keyur> then it stops working 01:13 < keyur> i have put another switch instead of that switch then also it stops working 01:13 < Snafu> you said the dlink switch works ... 01:13 < keyur> only if i put that crap switch then and only then it works 01:13 < Snafu> replace the one that dont work .. 01:13 < keyur> yes 01:14 < keyur> only with that dlink switch my workstation can boot 01:14 < Snafu> meeaning linux is fine ltsp is fine ... they are fixed 01:14 < keyur> either server or worksation would be in that dlink path is needed 01:14 < Snafu> so fix the network... 01:14 < keyur> but this is testing place 01:15 < keyur> and i have to set it in server room 01:15 < Snafu> well one of your "testing: things is broken .. 01:15 < Snafu> replace it 01:15 < keyur> i replace it with supercom switch then it stops working 01:16 < Snafu> stops because it broken ... 01:16 < keyur> that means that in communication path dlink must be there 01:16 < Snafu> so replace it 01:16 < Snafu> and tell everone that supercom is shit ... dont buy them 01:17 < keyur> dlink is needed, and without it my ltsp is not working 01:17 < keyur> so if i replace dlink with supercom is not good idea 01:17 < Snafu> ive seen this street before ... 01:17 < keyur> i should replace dlink with other switch that u want to say? 01:18 < keyur> not that of supercom 01:18 < Snafu> socialists do this repeat the question untill they get an answer they like .. 01:19 < keyur> no, i can't get u , so for surity i ask questation again 01:19 < Snafu> heh your not getting something .... heh 01:19 < keyur> just describe solution, as per your suggestion 01:20 < keyur> replace dlink with what? 01:20 < keyur> i replace dlink with supercom and it not works 01:20 < Snafu> you said the dlink works 01:20 < keyur> so what to do now? 01:20 < Snafu> if it works why replace it ? 01:20 < keyur> yes dlink works but i don't want to join my server with dlink 01:21 < keyur> as it is testing place 01:21 < Snafu> the supercom dont work .... its shit replace it 01:21 < Snafu> and why isnt this clear to you ? 01:21 < Snafu> im 8,000 miles away ... i cant see your wires .. but i can tell you have a broke switch ..... why cant you ? 01:22 < keyur> so i should replace also supercom 01:22 < Snafu> "also" ? 01:23 < Snafu> you said the dlink works ... 01:23 < Snafu> if it works why replace it ? 01:23 < keyur> yes as i replace dlink with supercom so now replace supercom with another one 01:24 < Snafu> amazing ..... your logic is like a Hi G forse mobius loop 01:24 < keyur> but dlink is for our other network 01:24 < keyur> it is meant for account dept as it is having lower capacity 01:24 < keyur> i used its port just for testing purpose at the time of doing ltsp 01:25 < Snafu> seems to have better cpacity than the broken one that dont work ... 01:25 < keyur> now i want to shift it to server room 01:25 < keyur> but there it not works 01:25 < keyur> yes exactly that 01:25 < keyur> better capacity switch is not working now 01:25 < keyur> ltsp is fixed with that testing dlink switch 01:25 < keyur> that is my problem 01:26 < Snafu> just means its fixed period 01:26 < Snafu> if it works it works ... 01:27 < keyur> but it only works if dlink switch is there, without dlink switch it is not working and in acutal implemenatation dlink switch is not there in path 01:27 < Snafu> you can do things with NFS timing and packet size .. at the right speed you can mount a volume over a modem ... but you need to replace that crappy supercom switch .... its shit 01:28 < keyur> i remember one good problem, just wait explaining u, so it will give more idea to u 01:28 < keyur> before few months ago 01:29 < Snafu> what else to explain ? we already know it works if the netweork isnt broken ... 01:29 < keyur> when we replace our old hub with this dlink switch , then our network stops 01:29 < Snafu> what else do we need to know ? where to get something to replace that broke supercom switch ... thats all 01:29 < keyur> just by replacing this dlink with supercom switch our network started 01:30 < keyur> and we put dlink at original position 01:30 < Snafu> this is starting to get funny 01:31 < keyur> yes, its funny 01:31 < keyur> because in our novell network when we join server to dlink switch 01:31 < keyur> it stops working 01:31 < keyur> but by replacing dlink with supercom it works 01:31 < keyur> but now in case of ltsp it is totally reverse 01:32 < keyur> i.e. only dlink works and supercom not works 01:32 < keyur> what is these means 01:32 < Snafu> what version of novell 3.x 4.x 5.x ? ipx / tcp ? 01:32 < keyur> just wait 01:32 < keyur> i look it and told u 01:32 < keyur> because i don't no it 01:33 < Snafu> it will say on the monitor screen 01:33 < Snafu> load monitor on the console 01:33 < Snafu> if it isnt loded already 01:34 < Snafu> cont esc swaps screens 01:34 < Snafu> and what if the server has a cross cable into the upload port .. 01:35 < keyur> novell 4.1 01:35 < Snafu> ok so its prob IPX/SPX 01:35 < Snafu> IPX/SPX and directory services .... 01:35 < Snafu> IPX over 802.3 or .2 01:36 < keyur> utp 5 cat cable 01:36 < keyur> and our switches and hub are joined with cross cable not on uplink port 01:36 < keyur> just simple port 01:37 < Snafu> what about the server 01:37 < keyur> server configuration? 01:37 < keyur> or connection? 01:37 < Snafu> no 01:37 < keyur> then what? 01:38 < Snafu> it a normal cable ? there is no reason the dlink wont work if the ports are not crossed .... novell sends SAP broadcasts and swich/brige is transparent ... 01:39 < keyur> yes port are not crossed with switch 01:39 < keyur> but switch to switch or hub are crossed 01:39 < Snafu> there is a time delay before old connects will drop ... if you dont manually kill them at the console ... and the workstations will need time and a reboot to connect ... 01:40 < keyur> all workstation are diskless and are stoped at that time 01:40 < Snafu> but there is no reason the dlink wont work it is transparent 01:40 < keyur> we reboot server twice then also it stops 01:40 < keyur> in novell at that time it not works with server 01:40 < keyur> then we put it at original location and it works 01:41 < Snafu> course the old switch must be unplugged or power off . or it will corrupt everything with its bad tables .. 01:41 < keyur> yes switch is too old 01:42 < Snafu> has nothing to do with age ... 01:42 < keyur> then what is this stuf i can't know it? 01:42 < keyur> give me help i m so confused 01:43 < Snafu> of that there is no question .... you have no idea how a switch works so you do bad things .. 01:43 < keyur> yes that may be 01:43 < Snafu> no maybe ... 01:43 < keyur> but why it works with one switch and not with another 01:44 < keyur> so it is fixed 01:44 < keyur> and it should not be. 01:44 < keyur> because if switched burned then what to do? 01:44 < Snafu> that your old switch dont talk to the dlink is no surprise 01:45 < Snafu> but the dlink is transparent to ipx put it on clean with the old switch powerd off and it will work 01:46 < Snafu> or put a plain hub there till you can get a decent switch 01:46 < Snafu> how many novell seats on thei wire ? 01:47 < Snafu> less that 50 seats its fine with a plain hub anyway 01:48 < Snafu> dlink is not a very good switch ... but at least you can chain them and they will work ... 01:49 < Snafu> that supercom you have tho .... is broken ... 01:49 < Snafu> perhaps its bridge software sucks ... 01:49 < Snafu> perhaps its old and the little OS is buggy ... 01:50 < Snafu> it just dont work well with others ... 01:51 < Snafu> even when you get all working switches ... they will need to be flushed when you move a hardware address ... or else you wait till it times out ... 01:59 -!- peterw [~peterw@203-219-225-86-syd-ts24-2600.tpgi.com.au] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 01:59 -!- peterw_ [~peterw@203-213-83-206-syd-ts15-2600.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 01:59 -!- peterw_ is now known as peterw 02:00 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2255.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 02:15 -!- jagman [~webmaster@203.130.205.100] has quit [] 02:30 -!- OOps[ [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:32 -!- OOps[ [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has joined #ltsp 02:44 -!- keyurbhatt [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 02:44 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:20 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has joined #ltsp 03:29 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:57 < bintut> gtg 03:57 < bintut> later 03:57 -!- bintut [~bintut@203.215.79.205] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 04:09 -!- tom_ [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has joined #ltsp 04:09 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:09 -!- tom_ is now known as t0m 04:10 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 04:10 < arc> hi all! 04:11 < arc> I'm not able to connect into my xdm/kdm server 04:11 < arc> it doesn't open the xdmcp socket 04:12 < arc> :/ 04:12 < arc> could anyone help me? 04:14 < peterw> yeh 04:14 < peterw> needed to uncomment the last line of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config 04:14 < arc> hum.... 04:15 < peterw> that should be comment out not uncomment 04:15 < peterw> but i was having that problem this morning 04:15 < peterw> oh hang on 04:15 < peterw> this isnt #openbsd! 04:15 < peterw> ill be quiet now 04:16 < arc> thx peterw 04:16 < arc> :) 04:16 < arc> i'll try it 04:16 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 04:16 < peterw> uh 04:40 -!- peterw_ [~peterw@syd-ts18-2600-159.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 04:40 -!- peterw [~peterw@203-213-83-206-syd-ts15-2600.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 04:40 -!- peterw_ is now known as peterw 04:41 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 05:00 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:23 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-3678.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 05:28 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2255.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:28 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 05:31 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, robbie 05:31 < keyurbhatt> Snafu : finally it works with different switch 05:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: robbie, SmilieZ 05:31 < keyurbhatt> but i have to change my ethernet card of server 05:32 < keyurbhatt> Snafu : thanks a lot for such a good support continuosly from three days 05:32 < keyurbhatt> its very good support and thanks a lot 05:33 < keyurbhatt> also to tom and Zaw 05:33 < keyurbhatt> thank u 05:33 < keyurbhatt> now i actually understand the problem and got sollution 05:37 < t0m> sounds great 05:37 < t0m> now you can start implementing it 05:37 < t0m> or is it already in production? 05:55 < keyurbhatt> it is in production still 05:56 < keyurbhatt> tom : it is very good leason for me (good experince) 05:57 < keyurbhatt> just server card mac address is stored in switch and at the time of udp request it creates problem 06:17 < keyurbhatt> hee... hee... 06:27 -!- keyurbhatt [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 06:28 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 06:32 < Snafu> its key to how a switch works .. 06:33 < Snafu> it makes a table of macs seen on every port and routes packets using those tables ... if you move a card it is now different from the table ... and untill the table is renewed its broken ... timeout can fix it ... sometimes the software will do it when it see's a dupe ... 06:34 < Snafu> but all too often only turning the switch off, to clear the tables, will fix it 06:35 < Snafu> if the switch stores MAC's even with power off then hopefully it has a way to command a flush ... 06:38 < Snafu> switches began life as 2 port token ring bridges ... a 8088 PC with two token ring cards and a dos program that bridged token rings based on the original DLC/SNA addressing 06:39 < Snafu> it was more advanced than the networks it bridged, because a bridge could learn .. and DLC/SNA demanded hand entered mac addresses 06:41 < Snafu> Netbios/NetBeui added hostnames ,, a crude name service for the MAC addresses, but MACs have no notion of subnets and so are not routeable .. bridging even over WAN links .. was the only thing that worked ... 06:41 < Snafu> putting the evolution of routable protocols aside ... later the bridges was used to glue token ring and ethernet together ... 06:42 < keyur> yes 06:42 < keyur> Sanfu : exactly now i understand 06:43 < Snafu> then came the founder of kalpana ... i forget his name ... he stuffed 8 3c503 3com cards in a 486 clone motherboard .. and wrote bridge software to run 8 ports instaed of only two .. put the software in a free corner of the AT bios and this invention was the first ethernet switch .. 06:43 < keyur> but instead of changing switch , change in ethernet works for me 06:43 < Snafu> in effect a switch is a bridge .. but with more than 2 ports 06:45 < Snafu> cisco bought kalpana ... however ... the bridge software was written not by IBM but by IBM customers .. and was already in the public domain ... 06:45 < Snafu> so cisco bought a pig in a poke ... and everyone makes switches 06:46 < keyur> whether by changing jumper setting in switch , will it flush mac address 06:46 < Snafu> and switches are only bridges ... but with more than 2 ports ... its the same software and methods .. that ran on that 8088 PCXT hacked to bridge two token rings ... 06:48 < Snafu> but a modern switch has a better interconnect .. than that original 8 slots of ISA buss full of 8 bit 3com cards .. 06:49 < Snafu> the founder of Kalpana did get filthy rich ... cisco paid good money for his invention ... 06:50 < Snafu> before kapana ... you was limited to about 200 seats per segment of 10bt ... muck above that and it would fold up in its own broadcast storm .. 06:51 < Snafu> you needed 4 cards and 4 segments .. to have a 1000 seat netware server ... 06:54 < hdaalz> Snafu, what type of client machine do you use as a terminal ? 06:56 < Snafu> my setup is backwards ... 06:56 < Snafu> many CPUs all headless one seat 06:57 < hdaalz> ah 06:57 < Snafu> i have some suns that run diskless when running linux ... but they are also headless 06:57 < Snafu> u use ssh for rexec 06:58 < hdaalz> do you know the best place to get a bootrom chips? 06:58 < Snafu> ("Netscape Snafu", EXEC, "ssh -a -x -k -n -P -q -l afu Snafu netscape -display fubar:0 file:///home/afu/.netscape/bookmarks.html"), 06:59 < Snafu> Jam does ... i would look on his site too .. 07:00 < hdaalz> what is his site url? 07:00 < Snafu> http://www.ltsp.org/ ? 07:01 < Snafu> http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ 07:02 < hdaalz> yup, i've looked on there :/ 07:02 < hdaalz> cost more then the chip to get it to the uk 07:02 < Snafu> course some modern hier end cards have boot code on them already 07:03 < hdaalz> mine don't the machines I wanna use have cheap realtek cards 07:03 < hdaalz> although they have a space for the chip to go 07:04 < Snafu> perhaps the vendor can get OEM chips from the card maker 07:04 < Snafu> certainly they can supply chips for their own cards 07:05 < Snafu> there is posed to be standards now .. and ltsp is posed to work with the modern bootroms that know nothing of ltsp specifically .. 07:06 < Snafu> pxe standard ? im kinda clueless there 07:06 < hdaalz> pxe is enabled on one of my onboard lan 07:06 < hdaalz> nic even 07:06 -!- nine_finger [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ltsp 07:07 < Snafu> yup so that is posed to work already if enabled 07:07 < hdaalz> it don't heh 07:07 < Snafu> well i would read on it a bit ... i bet it will 07:08 < hdaalz> sure you can change the setup a bit to get it to work 07:08 < hdaalz> but i'd be nicer just to flash them to bootp/dhcp 07:09 < hdaalz> my intel motherboard supports 3 diffrent ways of booting off the nic 07:09 < hdaalz> but thats in the server heh 07:09 < hdaalz> and its onboard 07:09 < Snafu> nyuk nyuk ;=) 07:09 < hdaalz> nyuk? 07:10 < Snafu> even if its an older standard dos ,,, you could boot dos and load the etherboot.com file heh 07:11 < hdaalz> i got boot disk from rom-o-matic 07:11 < Snafu> or cram a "too small" old disk in it ... use it for boot n swap ... 07:11 < hdaalz> seems it only a bootblock loader 07:12 < hdaalz> maywork if I dd it to the start of the harddisk as a mbr ? 07:12 < hdaalz> although, would prefer not to have harddisks at all 07:12 < Snafu> ya but in the etherboot kits there is a dos program you can use 07:12 < hdaalz> or even floppy drives 07:12 < Snafu> yup less moving parts the better 07:15 < t0m> use jammin's 07:15 < Snafu> even better get a burner and blanks ... 07:16 < Snafu> and use it for more than bootroms ... every hacker will wanna be your friend 07:19 < hdaalz> heh, but they are rare and cost more then the all the machines I wanna use 07:20 < hdaalz> I guess I'll buy a tube of em and sell ones I don't use on ebay 07:20 < hdaalz> i'm sure there must be other people who want boot rom but can't find them 07:21 < hdaalz> well, i can find them, but they cost twice as much as the nic itself :( 07:21 < Snafu> where are you ... a socialist hell hole like the UK or Sweden ? 07:21 < hdaalz> uk 07:22 < hdaalz> maybe it would be better if I just upgraded the motherboards 07:22 < Snafu> ya ok ... ya must be rough ... i forget sometimes how soft we have it here ... and that many here are not just down the road .. 07:22 < hdaalz> heh 07:23 < hdaalz> ahh the power of the internet eh 07:23 < hdaalz> gotta love it 07:24 < Snafu> taxes are still low compared to the rest of the world here so both bread and meat and tech is cheap .. 07:25 < Snafu> our poorest drive nice cars and have air conditioning .. 07:25 < Snafu> get free medical .. 07:25 -!- Jimmy_CZ [~jimmy_cz@217.66.177.98] has joined #ltsp 07:25 -!- sbalneav [~sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ltsp 07:26 < sbalneav> Morning all 07:26 < Zaw> where, in the US? 07:27 < Snafu> makes ya wince to see a gal paying w food stamps and loading the haul into a Merc 380 or BMW but cest la vie .. 07:28 < Snafu> makes us that work feel like suckers sometimes .. welp we can all be useless feeders can we ... 07:28 < t0m> food stamps? are you kiddin'? do they still exist? 07:28 -!- brainless [~anurag@202.149.212.198] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:29 < Snafu> now they are giving illegals free University in california and wondering why the state is going broke hehehe 07:29 < Zaw> damn liberals 07:29 < Snafu> but the left riles there .. they always ruin everything .. 07:30 < Zaw> my kids aren't black enough to get into college :( 07:30 < Snafu> Liberals ya ... but most are not liberals but leftist/marxist 07:30 < hdaalz> hmm, 4mb blank proms are gonna cost around £50 for 75pcs tube. yet a programmed ic is gonna cost almost £15 for 1, wtf is that about 07:30 < Zaw> socialists 07:30 < Zaw> pinko liberal socialists! 07:31 < Snafu> a liberal ya can argue with ... the leftist dreams of you beteen his machine gun and a fresh ditch ... 07:31 < Zaw> nah, the leftists are afraid of guns 07:32 < Snafu> no afraid of your gun ... that would ruin their plan ... 07:32 < Zaw> haha, true 07:32 < Snafu> once your guns are gone .. they will have em ... you wont 07:32 < Zaw> did you ever see Gangs of New York? 07:33 < Snafu> UN agenda 21 .. ya know 80% population "reduction" 07:33 < Snafu> any more survivors than that isnt "sustainable" 07:34 < hdaalz> http://www.osvisions.org/eprommer/ - i wonder how much it'd cost to build this.. and if it works. might be on to a money maker :) 07:34 -!- lanius [heino@p508E35AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 07:35 < Zaw> the funniest part was when a guy got elected for sheriff, and one of his enemies came up behind him while the newly elected sheriff was on stage in front of everyone, and threw a meat cleaver right into the sheriff's back, killing him. then he stood up over the dead guy, yanked the meat cleaver out, and said "*That*, my friends, is the minority vote!" 07:35 < Zaw> the UN is as irrelevant as the League of Nations was before them 07:35 < Snafu> muahahah 07:36 < Snafu> Zaw sure now but if gore had won we would be neck deep in Koyoto and the world court .. and the extermination plan would be 1 month from kickoff 07:37 < Snafu> they would start in africa and then work their way round .. 07:37 < Zaw> oh man, if Gore would have won and 9-11 happened and he did the typical liberal cowardly things like 'talking' with the enemy to 'get us to realize why they hate us so much' and 'make friends with them, giving them what they want' there would have been a whole lotta shit hitting the fan in the US. 07:37 -!- bails__ [~bails@modem-3054.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 07:38 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-3678.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:38 < Zaw> http://subneural.net/~zaw/voting.jpg 07:38 < Snafu> Zaw and we would have 30 more treaties with the UN and our army under UN control .. 07:38 < Zaw> Snafu: no, see the picture i just posted ;) 07:39 < Zaw> i don't think that the gun-toting meat eaters in the country would allow that kind of thing to happen, regardless of who's in 'control' 07:39 < Snafu> Zaw not yet but the program er heh "progrom" is well inderway in Europe .. 07:40 < Zaw> we're not Europe 07:40 < Snafu> UK is disarmed even the aussies are disarmed sheeple now 07:40 < Zaw> we're not the aussies either :) 07:40 < Zaw> the thing is that a lot of people are sheeple, and want to be disarmed. look at Canada 07:41 < Zaw> hell, look at a lot of the democrats in the US 07:41 < Snafu> point is we would feel it last ... but look at Europe ... they have gone nazi .. its the same "Third Way" socialism flavor of leftist utopia that butchered 100 million people 07:41 < hdaalz> its fucked up - disarming. the uk was fine before they took away the right to own your own gun 07:42 < hdaalz> just because of 1 crazy fool they remove eveyones fun 07:42 < Snafu> and they have all falen for it in a wave of continental mas histera 07:42 < hdaalz> now gangs and real illegal use of them is becomming more used cus they're the only ones who have access to guns 07:42 < Zaw> remember that's the first thing that Hitler did, it's textbook control tactics. 07:43 < Snafu> after being saved from the reds .. they now rush to the left . falling for the same red tyranny by implmenting it themselves 07:43 < Zaw> hdaalz: right. remember that criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. thus anti-gun laws only hurt law-abiding citizens. 07:44 < Zaw> i am very much for penalizing people for using guns in a fashion that harms others, such as for murder, but don't restrict them and punish everyone because of the criminals. 07:44 < nine_finger> If guns are OUTLOWed only outlows have gun's 07:44 < Zaw> nine_finger: exactly. 07:45 < Snafu> they take away the guns to create the crime so that you give up your freedom willingly ... and now you are a slave and no liberty nore security .. after that they start killing the "useless feeders" picking scapegoats, and "dealing with the problem" 07:45 < Zaw> it's like saying that you should outlaw matches and zippo lighters because they cause arson. 07:45 < hdaalz> Zaw, shhhe, they might be reading what you're saying 07:45 < hdaalz> god help us if we can't light a fire :( 07:46 < Zaw> why is it that there is Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD) but not Mothers Against Motorized Vehicles (MAMV), yet there are anti-gun groups that go after guns rather than after the criminals that use them in illegal ways? 07:46 < Snafu> i wonder who will get Shari Law first ... France or Denmark ? 07:47 < Zaw> hdaalz: hehe 07:47 -!- peterw [~peterw@syd-ts18-2600-159.tpgi.com.au] has left #ltsp ["christ ..."] 07:48 < Zaw> i mean, wouldn't it make more sense to attack the people that are irresponsible with guns rather than guns themselves? it's like blaming a car for a hit and run accident, rather than the drunk driver. 07:48 < t0m> jeez, you guy's got some seriously fucked up political world views imo 07:49 < Snafu> fact based .... 07:49 < Snafu> as in reality based ..... 07:49 < Snafu> vs wishfull thinking ... 07:49 < hdaalz> i tell you what the worst law is in the uk, i dunno what its like anywhere eles. but say someone broke in to your house and fell over the coffee table they can sue you for not having the lights on 07:49 < Zaw> you can't dispute truth. 07:50 < Zaw> hdaalz: yes, and if your house gets robbed 14 times in a year, and you shoot the burglars the 15th time they break in, you are a murderer and go to jail. 07:50 < hdaalz> yup 07:50 < Snafu> Leftism from the USSR to China to all over asia .. vast ranges of peoples races and cultures .. and what is the universal result ? Opression, Famine, mass murder 100 million dead in the worst extended blodbath the planet has seen .. 07:50 < Zaw> hdaalz: the worst part is that you are powerless to change anything, because once they take away your guns, they take away your means of revolting against a regime-like government. 07:51 < t0m> e.g.: the bush administration 07:51 < Zaw> Snafu: yep 07:51 < Snafu> leftism beggared whole continents murdered 100 million people and took from the survivors the potential of billions .. 07:52 < Zaw> t0m: see, but the people have the power to change the administration if they wanted to. we just don't want to, most people think he's doing a good job and reflects the views of the American people. 07:52 < Snafu> the reaction to bush is typical leftist kneejerk .. 07:53 < t0m> i don't think he reflects the view of most american people, let alone the world view. if you see what a mess the election results were, you can't be sure who really 'won' the elections 07:53 < Zaw> t0m: you must live in California 07:53 < t0m> no, in europe 07:53 < Zaw> oh, even better 07:53 < t0m> :) 07:54 < t0m> it get's even better: in belgium 07:54 < Snafu> they hate bush and love sadam ... When McCarthy was on the march ... they had harher words for McCarthy who cost a few their govt jobs ... than Jow stalin .. who cost 10's i Millions their Lives !!! 07:54 < Zaw> California really wants to be Europe 07:54 < t0m> i thought nyc as well? 07:54 < Snafu> such is the kneejerk of the left ... love the butcher and hate the honest man 07:54 < Zaw> NYC kinda, but they've changed a lot since 9-11 and become more conservative 07:54 < t0m> oh ic, it's a shame :) 07:55 -!- Jimmy_CZ [~jimmy_cz@217.66.177.98] has left #ltsp [] 07:55 < Snafu> and yet still even after 100 million dead .. you see thise that still cling to the idology that murdered them .. 07:55 < t0m> what 100million dead are you referring to? 07:55 < Zaw> t0m: no, it's not a shame. 07:56 < Zaw> 9-11 was an eye-opening event to Americans. 07:56 < t0m> to the entire world 07:56 < t0m> i agree 07:56 < Snafu> they makes excuses for the murder or deny the murder ... or pretend that they are diffeent somehow than the murderers .. even tho they push the identical bloodstained egalitarian crap .. 07:57 < Zaw> t0m: you're probably one of those people that would be talking with bin laden right now, trying to reason with him so he didn't attack again. 07:57 < Snafu> and the reason the blodstaind left have not changed ... is because they have not changed ... when they get the total power they seek they will murder again .. 07:57 < t0m> no not at all, you shouldn't be seeing things that black and white 07:57 < Zaw> we have the biggest military in the world for a reason. 07:57 < Snafu> ahh yes ... it all "relative" ahem .. 07:58 < t0m> if the us. hadn't given bin laden a cia/military training in the 1st place, something like that would never have happened. 07:58 < Zaw> oh hogwash. 07:58 < Snafu> right and wrong dont exist .. you see its all grey ... even with 100 million dead and counting ( N Korea etc ) it all grey its all relative .. 07:58 < t0m> Zaw: you may have the biggest military in the world, yet you cannot manage to avoid a simple terrorist attack with two commercial airliners .. let alone more serious weapons 07:59 < Zaw> it takes the CIA/Military to teach people to crash airplanes into buildings? you've got to be kidding me. 07:59 < Zaw> t0m: you assume we wanted to avoid it. 07:59 < t0m> you're saying you don't? 07:59 < Snafu> and what of 100 million murdered ... plenty more to spare right ... "goot break a few eggs" right ? 08:00 < t0m> what 100 million murdered are you talking about? 08:00 < Snafu> the 100 million murdered by the socialists .. 08:00 < t0m> ? 08:00 < Snafu> over twice the 43 Million battle dead of all wars .. 08:01 < Zaw> i'm saying that you dont know how our government operates, nor do i. and i'm also saying that as much as a tragedy as 9-11 was, there couldn't really have been another event that would have steeled our resolve to eliminate terrorists more. 08:01 < sbalneav> Christ, think I'll come back on later when the coversation turns back to the stated purpose of the channel. This American rightist chest thumping's getting tedious. 08:01 -!- otavio [~otavio@200-203-056-094.pltce7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 08:01 < Zaw> sbalneav: k 08:01 < Snafu> Yes america freedom didnt murder 100 million the left did 08:01 -!- sbalneav [~sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 08:01 < t0m> what 100 million? 08:02 < Snafu> and so thise that still follow the leftism that murdered the 100 million point to america as "Evil" 08:02 < Zaw> heh, if someone comes on and wants ltsp support i'll shut up and help :) 08:02 < keyur> i want it 08:02 < t0m> look who's here :) 08:02 < keyur> to all 08:03 < keyur> my ltsp with other switch works now 08:03 < keyur> now i m thinking for setting 3 server for each floor 08:03 < t0m> wow, you must have many users on each floor 08:03 < keyur> and server is also given to user so he can feel it as terminal 08:03 < keyur> yes 08:04 < keyur> atleast 25 on each floor 08:04 < t0m> uh? you can manage to run 25 users on one server can't you? 08:04 < Snafu> http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM 08:04 < otavio> Folks, I'm currently have problems in open a terminal in client (using kernel 2.4.21 of ltsp site) and gdm. Some idea? 08:04 -!- jammcq [~jam@pcp01444177pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 08:04 < keyur> now how to communicate with each server 08:04 < keyur> with each other 08:04 < keyur> windows machine is communicating using samba with my server 08:04 < keyur> but linux machines how 08:05 < Snafu> http://www.freedomsnest.com/rummel_murderers.html The 20th Century's Bloodiest Murderers 08:05 < keyur> tom : 25 per server is very good ratio for me 08:06 < keyur> and if any server down then also not whole office is having problem 08:06 < keyur> that is our idea 08:06 < keyur> but now our windows machine is communicating through network neighbourhood with linux 08:06 < keyur> but how to communicate with linux 08:06 < keyur> to linux 08:06 < t0m> you can either use samba or nfs 08:07 < keyur> only using ftp? 08:07 < keyur> for linux to linux? 08:07 < hdaalz> yup 08:08 < keyur> because i want to show each other directory in gui mode 08:08 < Snafu> "" In any given year in the Soviet Union, perhaps 1 in every 222 people were murdered by the government. In communist China, perhaps 1 in every 833 people were murdered per year. "" 08:08 < t0m> keyur: you can mount the other linux machines using either nfs or smb 08:08 < keyur> oh 08:08 < keyur> that i should do 08:08 < t0m> Snafu: and if bush continues like that .. perhaps 1 in every 222 americans will be unemployed :) 08:08 < hdaalz> keyur, you can get the samba browser, that'll show you the shares, but you still need to mount them before they show up in the file system 08:08 < Snafu> t0m those 100 million murders ... 08:09 < t0m> Snafu: okay,,, but i don't see what the us has to do with anything ... 08:09 < Snafu> murdered by th left 08:09 < jammcq> Snafu: take it somewhere else, please 08:09 < Snafu> murdered by th left that points at bush ... 08:09 < keyur> hdaalz : samba browser ? 08:10 < keyur> they also show windows share? 08:10 < hdaalz> yes, freshmeat should have a few diffrent ones to pick from 08:10 < t0m> there are other people but lefts pointing at bush ... as in 3/4th's of the world population .. or do you think the entire world but the us consists out of "lefts" ? 08:11 < keyur> i should look for it 08:12 < keyur> what about our dicision 08:12 < Snafu> Yes ... the left and the Muslems that spread via the sword and the flame .. 08:12 < keyur> whether we should go with one server or with 3 server and each on floor 08:12 < keyur> we think for 3 server, each on different floor 08:12 < t0m> keyur: what kind of hardware are you using on the serverside? 08:12 < Snafu> Key cant you "ramp up" ? 08:13 < keyur> for singer server we are thinking for 1gb ram, 80 gb hdd 7500 rpm 08:13 < keyur> and pIII 08:13 < keyur> 1.7 Ghz processor 08:13 < keyur> but now with three server 08:13 < t0m> for 25 users? or 25 per floor? 08:14 < keyur> i think it should be 512mb ram on each one 08:14 < slidesinger> jammcq: morning 08:14 < jammcq> hey slidesinger 08:14 < keyur> for all 75 users 1gb ram 08:14 < slidesinger> How is LTSP 4 coming along? 08:14 < keyur> but for each floor server scheme 512 ram 08:14 < Snafu> well ya ... you pay a huge curve up to get the "hot chip" when a level down its almost as much power for half the money .. 08:15 < keyur> what should be suitable sollution? 08:15 < Snafu> you will need ram more than cpu tho ... 08:15 < t0m> i would go for one server .. it will be easier to manage ... and your users will be able to roam across floors 08:16 < jammcq> slidesinger: LTSP-4 is coming along nicely. i'm working on the binary packages now, so that I can release a beta shortly. 08:16 < keyur> yes , but this would be not a case 08:16 < keyur> mostly our user are of department so they needed to be in department 08:16 < keyur> and they will communicate with other department with sharing of files 08:17 < keyur> it will share a load 08:18 < keyur> and also higher configuration server will cost more 08:18 < otavio> Someone can help me with one problem with gnome-terminal? In server side, works fine.. but in client side, this do not open. 08:18 < keyur> as we are having already 5 machine of celron 1.7ghz and 20 gb hdd 08:18 < t0m> keyur, then you should probably go for the 3 separate servers 08:18 < Zaw> keyur: how are you planning on manageing who logs on to which server? such as are you going to sort it by MAC address, using one dhcpd on the network and have an image handed out based on what group theyre in? 08:19 -!- wftl [~mgagne@199.243.101.42] has joined #ltsp 08:19 -!- wftl [~mgagne@199.243.101.42] has left #ltsp ["Kopete 0.6.90cvs >= 20030620 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 08:19 -!- peterw [~peterw@syd-ts18-2600-159.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 08:20 < keyur> i think that would be not problem 08:20 < Snafu> Zaw you can use -indirect instaed of -query 08:20 < keyur> because mac with uniqe ip address is there 08:20 < keyur> so confilcts will not be there 08:20 < Zaw> i was just curious 08:20 < keyur> what is your opinion 08:21 < Snafu> Zaw the box that boots the ws's dont even need to accept xdm logins ... 08:21 < Zaw> Snafu: yes, i understand that. 08:21 < keyur> whether it allows three dhcpd in lan 08:21 < keyur> ? 08:21 < Snafu> Zaw and they could select their machine via the host chooser 08:21 < Zaw> i'd probably setup two dhcpds for redundancy, both pointing to the same config file on a common NFS share somewhere. 08:22 < Zaw> assuming the common NFS share was redundant ;) 08:23 < keyur> i think 3 dhcpd will not having problem 08:23 < Snafu> but ya if you could get em all on one box is less hassle than 3 heh heh as long as its not overloaded ... 08:24 < keyur> my problem is, if that one down then whole organization is down 08:24 < Snafu> Key again the boot server and the machine hosting the X11 sessions ... dont need to be the same box .. 08:24 < keyur> in other case , only one floor is having problem 08:25 < keyur> and cost will be also less 08:25 < t0m> keyur: but it will be more difficult to manage 08:26 < keyur> for one server i have spend lots of money 08:26 < slidesinger> jammcq: wunderbar!! Does that mean the sources are basically complete? 08:26 < Snafu> Key well yeah a big machine at the limit of what for sale can cost more than the 3 others that are almost as powerfull .. 08:26 < keyur> in other case we will save lots of money 08:26 < Snafu> and so the 3 boxes can actually be more power for less money 08:27 < keyur> yes 08:27 < keyur> the concept of distributed system is also same 08:27 < keyur> in case of power and money 08:28 < Zaw> you can build a very nice redundant server for around $2k 08:28 < keyur> redundant server works how? 08:28 < Snafu> even traffic can be segmented .. put em on their own switch with the server etc 08:29 < keyur> yes 08:29 < keyur> for single server i have to purchase good quality switch 08:29 < keyur> but here it will work with my some old switch 08:29 < keyur> and traffic will be less 08:30 < t0m> then stick to the 3 servers 08:30 < keyur> because i m going to provide internet and evolution for email on most of terminal 08:30 < keyur> so its traffic to mail server is also there 08:31 < Zaw> for $2k you can get a P4 2.4ghz, 2gb ram, intel motherboard with lan/video, adaptec 2400A ata/100 raid5 controller, four 60gb ata/100 disks, floppy and cdrom and a case with dual redundant power supplies. 08:31 < keyur> hey , i m in india 08:31 < keyur> it is too costly for me 08:31 < Snafu> beware fancy fonts gnome with AA fonts can be a dog over networked X11 ... whereas plain gtk is snappy ( old new version of pan is an example ) 08:33 < keyur> ltsp dicision is only for saving cost 08:33 < keyur> as we don't want to throw this old machine 08:33 < keyur> and want email and internet on this old machine 08:33 < keyur> and swithching slowley from novell to linux 08:34 < keyur> we don't want windows 08:34 < Zaw> cool 08:34 < Snafu> perhaps someday they will let you open a shop there without waiting 7 years for paper work .. only to be refused 08:35 < Snafu> India's burocracy can remind you of Gilliams movie Brazil 08:35 < keyur> Snafu : i can't get u 08:35 < keyur> and even i have not seen this movie 08:36 < keyur> Sanfu : u r talking too cryptic 08:36 < keyur> some time i can't get u 08:36 < keyur> ok 08:36 < Snafu> heh ... i had a chum that does Bussiness there relate to the govt crap to open a business .. 08:37 < keyur> what will be right sollution for me 08:37 < Snafu> as i said too bad you cant "Ramp Up" 08:38 < Snafu> rolling out 100 seats cold turkey instaed of starting small and building 08:38 < Snafu> dont leave ya much room to change your mind .. 08:39 < keyur> ha... ha.. 08:39 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:40 < keyur> still nothing is dicided in my mind 08:40 < Snafu> exxample a powerfull ltsp box could run 200 seats ... impressive eh ? well not id they all try to run mozilla ... 08:41 < keyur> so you want to say that i should use single server 08:41 -!- peterw [~peterw@syd-ts18-2600-159.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 08:41 -!- peterw [~peterw@203-219-234-209-syd-ts25-2600.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 08:41 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 08:41 < Snafu> of you promise 200 people that can all run mozilla with flash and animated gifs ... you migh be in a bit of trouble ;=) 08:42 < keyur> but maximum 100 people would be there 08:43 < Snafu> a few sessions of netscape can slog and bog a big box if im the only one useing it ... 08:43 < keyur> i will be back in minute 08:43 < keyur> tea... 08:43 < Snafu> coffee ... 08:45 < Snafu> spend some time picking out "light" browsers .. fat-free mailers .. and adjusting expectations .. then 200 people on a box can work ... and work dang well 08:46 -!- bbaxter [~BeansBaxt@me-bridgton1a-72.agstme.adelphia.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:48 < Snafu> give em LardMail and MaxEyeCandyscape 7.1 .. and your comphy user count can fall by 80% heh 08:49 < Snafu> even kde is hardly lean ... wmaker .. blackbox etc uses .001% the cpu and bout the same ram as an xterm .. 08:51 < Snafu> or ya can be a box pig like me ... who has one screen and many boxes ... ltsp turned backwards .. 08:51 < hdaalz> how do I setup x on the clients? 08:52 < hdaalz> i've installed the xfree rpms 08:52 < Snafu> lts.conf 08:52 < hdaalz> but when i try to start x i get a gray screen with just a mouse 08:52 < Snafu> normal ... 08:53 < t0m> hdaalz: its on the website 08:53 < peterw> lacking a bit of xdm magic? 08:53 < Snafu> all that means is it cant find a runing xdm 08:53 < Zaw> this channel needs an !info bot that you can call to produce URLs for common problems 08:53 < Snafu> run xdm on the server presto 08:53 -!- sbalneav [~sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ltsp 08:53 -!- jaco [~jaco@tpr-bras-131-133.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ltsp 08:53 < hdaalz> hmm 08:53 < sbalneav> mistik1: You about, dude? 08:54 < hdaalz> maybe i should install xdm first lol 08:54 < Zaw> hdaalz: http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html#AEN707 08:54 < hdaalz> whats the smallest install of a server I can run ? 08:54 < jammcq> sbalneav: hey 08:54 < Snafu> but the grey screen and the mouse is a good thing ... it means the client is up running and healthy all it needs is an xdfm on the server to connect to .. 08:54 < sbalneav> hey jammcq 08:55 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has joined #ltsp 08:55 < sbalneav> You send me that addr yet? Hold on, I'll get the phone # 08:55 < hdaalz> thx 08:55 < Snafu> hd small ? unix was doing this when a sun was slower than a 486 .. 08:55 < hdaalz> i've read that manual so many times now, i would have thought i'd have seen it by now :( 08:55 < sbalneav> jammcq: It's (204) 795-8321 08:56 < Zaw> they've done a good job of having common errors and solutions in the manual 08:56 < hdaalz> Snafu, like the harddisk setup for the server has too much usless stuff installed 08:56 < hdaalz> Zaw yup, just too much of it :P 08:57 < Snafu> hdaalz yup i agree ... a lot can be erase or not installed ... but 08:57 < hdaalz> a basic/minimal linux setup for the server is what I want 08:57 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:57 < jaco> Hello, After I boot my workstation it start loading the kernel, It get stuck at mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386: 192.168.10.30. If I check what is happening on tcpdump on the wire it seems like that the workstation is trying to connect to 192.168.10.30.635 : udp 88 what could cause this. Thanks in advance 08:57 < hdaalz> but i'd not that good with linux yet 08:57 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has joined #ltsp 08:57 < sbalneav> jaco: What's the contents of your /etc/exports file? 08:57 < Zaw> jaco: is NFS running on 192.168.10.30 ? 08:58 < jammcq> jaco: do this: showmount -e 08:58 < Snafu> hdaalz it helps to know what stuff is before you delete it .. but yes you can still have a working setup and be very tiny ... it could fit on a 100m disk with room to spare ... 08:58 < jammcq> the cool thing about showmount is it also helps tell if nfs is even running, and if it registered with the portmapper 08:58 < hdaalz> Snafu wow, that would be nice 08:58 < Zaw> jammcq: good oint 08:58 < Zaw> er point 08:59 < jammcq> sbalneav: ok, got the number, and sent the email :) 08:59 < hdaalz> i've got about 1.8gb install and i'm sure i don't need it :( 08:59 < sbalneav> jammcq: Cool! I'll saunter down to the bank when I get home today and resend. 08:59 < jaco> it got /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 mmm look like the subnet is wrong. 08:59 -!- t0m [~tom@213-193-182-24.adsl.easynet.be] has quit [Client Quit] 08:59 < Snafu> hdaalz over the years .. yes unix is bigger ... but not much bigger ... its damn tiny compared to anything else .. the apps are bloating the desktops ( some of them ) are bloating .... the os is still very small tho .. 08:59 < jammcq> jaco: BINGO :) 08:59 < sbalneav> jaco: Yup, there's the problem. 08:59 < jammcq> jaco: edit your /etc/exports file 09:00 < jammcq> jaco: then, run this: exportfs -ra 09:00 < jaco> Thanks your support is excelent !!! 09:00 < jammcq> heh :) 09:00 < Snafu> i can see his happy dance from here ... 09:02 < Zaw> hehe 09:02 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:04 < Snafu> hdaalz ya will need to spend a few months learning what is what and where it is and where things go and why ... before ya can trim a fat box without breaking it ... 09:04 -!- Deb][an [yxhedj@h-66-167-58-221.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has joined #ltsp 09:05 < Snafu> hdaalz read slackwares package descriptions .. thats a fast tutorial he actually tells you what things are and what they do .. imagine that ... 09:06 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01562664pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:07 -!- jaco [~jaco@tpr-bras-131-133.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 09:13 < jammcq> well, time to head for breakfast, and then over to the conference center. see ya'll online a bit later 09:14 < Zaw> have a good day 09:15 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 09:22 -!- optiklenz [~jgabriel@4095.virtua.com.br] has joined #ltsp 09:22 < optiklenz> hello 09:22 < optiklenz> :D 09:22 < optiklenz> can i use truetype fonts in ltsp? 09:28 < hdaalz> should beable to 09:31 < optiklenz> beable? 09:31 < optiklenz> be able 09:31 < optiklenz> understand 09:31 < optiklenz> sdkasdklas 09:38 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-878.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 09:38 -!- optiklenz [~jgabriel@4095.virtua.com.br] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:39 -!- bails__ [~bails@modem-3054.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:44 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:51 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-180-183.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 10:00 -!- peterw [~peterw@203-219-234-209-syd-ts25-2600.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["bed"] 10:10 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has joined #ltsp 10:12 -!- stevnblinux [~stevnb@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 10:12 < stevnblinux> Hey to all.:) 10:12 < stevnblinux> jammcq: you around? 10:14 < stevnblinux> Can anyone help with some odd items after an upgrade of core and kernel on my ltsp server? 10:14 < stevnblinux> Upgraded from 3.0.5 to 3.0.10 10:14 < stevnblinux> of the kernel and from 3.0.5 to 3.0.9 of core. 10:15 < stevnblinux> Now, my sound doesnt work and I get an error just before the GUI should appear on the workstation. 10:16 < stevnblinux> Also, I get a line that says "Usage: getltscfg [{-c|--configfile} ] [{-v|--verbose}] OPTKEY" When I open a Konsole Shell prompt from KDE desktop. 10:17 < jammcq> stevnblinux: hey 10:17 < stevnblinux> I get an error message on the boot of the workstation that says that modprobe "Can't locate module cx5530" followed by a "Press to continue". cx5530 was the sound module I was using. 10:17 < stevnblinux> Hey there jim. 10:17 < stevnblinux> how are you? 10:18 < jammcq> good, i'm out here in your neighborhood 10:18 -!- jammcq is now known as jammcq_portland 10:18 < stevnblinux> Oh. for the O'Reilly thing huh. 10:18 < jammcq_portland> ah damn, did I forget to include the cx5530 sound driver in 3.0.10 ? 10:18 < jammcq_portland> yeah, O'Reilly 10:19 < stevnblinux> I dont think so. It shows in the 2.4.21 path. 10:19 < stevnblinux> /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.4.21-ltsp-1/kernel/drivers/sound/cx5530.o 10:20 < stevnblinux> After I upgraded, do I need to physically reboot the server? Or, should it work without a reboot? 10:20 -!- jammcq_portland [~jam@pcp01444177pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["My damn controlling terminal disappeared!"] 10:22 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 10:29 -!- jaco [~jaco@165.165.131.133] has joined #ltsp 10:30 -!- jammcq [~jam@pcp01444177pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 10:30 < jammcq> hmm, did I miss anything ? 10:32 < stevnblinux> jammcq: what was the last message you saw from me? 10:34 -!- jaco [~jaco@165.165.131.133] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:34 < jammcq> hmm, don't remember now :( 10:34 < stevnblinux> ah damn, did I forget to include the cx5530 sound driver in 3.0.10 ? 10:34 < stevnblinux> yeah, O'Reilly 10:34 < stevnblinux> I dont think so. It shows in the 2.4.21 path. 10:34 < stevnblinux> ONOTICE OP 10:34 < stevnblinux> 10:34 < stevnblinux> /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.4.21-ltsp-1/kernel/drivers/sound/cx5530.o 10:34 < jammcq> something about the cx5530 driver 10:34 < stevnblinux> After I upgraded, do I need to physically reboot the server? Or, should it work without a reboot? 10:34 < jammcq> no reboot of the server required 10:34 < stevnblinux> didnt think so.:) 10:34 < jammcq> but you DO have the cx5530 driver 10:35 < stevnblinux> correct. 10:35 < stevnblinux> not sure why it cant find it though 10:35 < jammcq> ok, set the workstation to runlevel 3 10:35 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has joined #LTSP 10:35 < stevnblinux> give me few. I will set up 2nd workstation so i can do that and not lose you. 10:36 -!- jaco [~jaco@165.165.131.133] has joined #ltsp 10:36 < stevnblinux> jammcq: what is your schedule this week? 10:36 < stevnblinux> any free time available? 10:36 < jammcq> hmm, i'm just at the conference all week, leaving friday at 1:30pm 10:36 < jammcq> free day or night ? 10:37 < stevnblinux> Would like it if we could get together while you are here. 10:37 < jammcq> sure, lemme check the schedule for the conf 10:38 < stevnblinux> cool. 10:38 < stevnblinux> be back in a few. 10:45 < slidesinger> Has anyone here heard of hylafax? 10:45 < stevnblinux> slidesinger: yes. 10:45 < jammcq> slidesinger: i've used it quite a bit, but that was a looooong time ago 10:46 < jammcq> stevnblinux: are you busy tonight ? 10:46 < stevnblinux> jammcq: Nope. Free. Wanna get some dinner? 10:46 < jammcq> sure 10:46 < jammcq> looks like tonight would be the best 10:47 < stevnblinux> k. name the time and send me directions to how to find you and I will pick you up. 10:48 < stevnblinux> ok. I have another workstation setup and booted in rl3. At # 10:48 < jammcq> ok, can you do: modprobe cx5530 10:49 < stevnblinux> No. Same answoer. Cant locate cx5530 10:49 < jammcq> ok, try this: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.21-ltsp-1/kernel/drivers/sound/cx5530.o 10:51 < stevnblinux> Got: Using /lib/modules/2.4.21/ltsp-1/kernel/drivers/sound/cx5530.o 10:51 < stevnblinux> insmod: unresolved symbol unregister_sound_dsp 10:51 < jammcq> ok, sounds like the modules.dep file is messed up 10:52 < stevnblinux> k. 10:53 < jammcq> hmm 10:54 < stevnblinux> /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.4.21-ltsp-1/modules.dep has no cx5530 anywhere in it. 10:54 < jammcq> right, we need to generate a new modules.dep file 10:55 < jammcq> i'm looking up the syntax to depmod now 10:58 < jammcq> stevnblinux: ok, on the server, run this: 10:58 < jammcq> depmod -a -q -b /opt/ltsp/i386 2.4.21-ltsp-1 10:58 < jammcq> then, go back to that workstation and try: modprobe cx5530 10:58 < stevnblinux> done 10:59 < stevnblinux> brb 10:59 < stevnblinux> did and returned to prompt with no error.:) 11:00 < jammcq> :) 11:00 < stevnblinux> So, now that the modules.dep file is updated, I should be able to reboot workstation in rl5 and it should work. right? 11:00 < jammcq> yessir 11:00 -!- nine_finger [~lars@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:01 < stevnblinux> k. workstation rebooting. other problem/issue is the shell in kde. I now get a line of text every time I open a shell window. 11:01 < stevnblinux> "Usage: getltscfg [{-c|--configfile} ] [{-v|--verbose}] OPTKEY" 11:02 < jammcq> sounds like a problem in the profile script for setting up sound 11:02 < jammcq> prolly in /etc/profile.d/profile 11:02 < jammcq> or /etc/profile.d/bash_profile 11:04 < stevnblinux> /etc/profile.d/ltsp-sound.sh has a line 11:04 < stevnblinux> VALUE=`${LTSP_DIR}/i386/bin/getltscfg \ 11:04 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-140-248.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 11:04 < stevnblinux> -n ${MYNAME} \ 11:05 < stevnblinux> -c ${LTSP_DIR}/i386/etc/lts.conf $1` 11:05 < jammcq> perhaps MYNAME is empty 11:07 < stevnblinux> Well, on the workstation that I just rebooted after the sound fix, it is working in the shell as expected. Must have been failing to fill the MYNAME value due to the module failure to load. 11:08 < stevnblinux> Cool Thx. working now. 11:12 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, robbie 11:13 -!- Netsplit over, joins: robbie, SmilieZ 11:18 < jammcq> hey stevnblinux, have you tried the lpp kernel ? 11:20 -!- greendisease [~jack@diup-210-157.inter.net.il] has joined #ltsp 11:21 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:21 < stevnblinux> jammcq: nope. 11:21 < jammcq> run that depmod trick again, using 2.4.21-ltsp-lpp-1 11:22 < jammcq> and set your dhcpd.conf 'filename' to point to that kernel 11:22 < jammcq> then give it a shot 11:26 < stevnblinux> Well. Isnt that way cool. 11:26 < stevnblinux> I like that. 11:26 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 11:29 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-878.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:31 -!- WX [~chris@64.215.19.211] has joined #ltsp 11:31 < WX> hi 11:33 -!- otavio [~otavio@200-203-056-094.pltce7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["leaving"] 11:34 < WX> anyone around? 11:38 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-2712.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 11:45 <@mistik1> sbalneav: You rang? 11:45 -!- greendisease [~jack@diup-210-157.inter.net.il] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:46 < WX> hey 11:46 < WX> can someone here help me for a sec with ltsp 4? 11:51 -!- OOps[ [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:56 -!- OOps[x86] [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has joined #ltsp 12:00 -!- NoUSe [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 12:01 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-2712.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 12:12 -!- davus [~davus@206.183.158.36] has joined #LTSP 12:21 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2712.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 12:21 -!- jaco [~jaco@165.165.131.133] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:24 -!- greendisease [~jack@diup-210-215.inter.net.il] has joined #ltsp 12:38 -!- brainless [cbca@PPP-219.65.58.130.mum2.vsnl.net.in] has joined #ltsp 12:38 -!- nramos_ [~nramos@remote206-241.gua.net] has joined #ltsp 12:38 -!- manimay_ [~manimay@pD9E63F68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 12:38 < nramos_> how do you see the future of diskless workstations? 12:39 -!- manimay__ [~manimay@pD9544F7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:39 < nramos_> is it worth it to invest in buying old computers? 12:39 < davus> try a crystal ball? :-) 12:40 < davus> i would bet that depends on what you have in mind 12:40 < nramos_> make money 12:40 < nramos_> jeje 12:40 < nramos_> what else? 12:40 < davus> i know a lot of folks use them in cyber cafe's 12:40 < davus> i use them at a school with a low tech budget 12:40 < nramos_> stuff like that 12:41 < nramos_> how is the growth of ltsp in the office 12:41 < davus> i don't think they will disappear any time soon, but i'm not a market forecaster by far 12:41 < nramos_> have you implemented one in an average office? 12:42 < davus> i've only worked with my school :-) 12:42 < davus> the only negative comments i get have to do with our mail system, which doesn't work with linux 12:42 < davus> most people don't even realize they are using a thin client 12:42 < nramos_> that is right 12:43 < davus> its reliable, has all the features the average desk person needs, Open Office, web browsing, messaging 12:43 < davus> and its cheap, whats NOT to like in a small office environment? 12:44 < davus> ^replace cheap with "low cost", some people take that the wrong way 12:44 -!- greendisease [~jack@diup-210-215.inter.net.il] has quit ["Client exiting"] 12:46 < nramos_> ok 12:46 < nramos_> thnx 12:47 < davus> dunno if that helped much :-) maybe someone else out there has more paying customers who use it 12:50 < ccjoe> it works great in my small office 12:51 -!- xai [~pasta@user-0vvdcag.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ltsp 12:51 -!- nramos_ [~nramos@remote206-241.gua.net] has left #ltsp ["Aplicación Saliendo"] 12:51 < paperclip> i've been wondering about gettting some inexpensive surplus pentium systems.. 12:52 < xai> jammcq: I have a thin client hooked into my server that seems to disconnect randomly, or during high network use.. I dont detect any network problems on the client though. 12:52 < paperclip> but i think a nice new all in one diskless system like the epia 5000 would be worth a few bucks more.. 12:52 < xai> jammcq: maybe you have had a similar experience? I just un-connects from xdm and reverts back to the thin-client window. 12:53 < davus> paperclip: try the local college, i used to get craploads of old systems with hard drives stripped, surplus, a few bucks a piece 12:53 < davus> perfect for LTSP 12:54 < paperclip> davus: yeah.. i found a place not too far from here with mounds of old stuff for ~$10/peecee 12:55 < paperclip> thing is that you'd need to get a net boot nic.. and probably deal with the old (read crappy) vidcard.. 12:55 < davus> and then there is garbage picking outside offices, one mans junk is anothers treasure 12:55 < davus> true, very true, but how much video do you pipe the average thin client anyway? 12:56 < davus> most pentium systems i'm sure can handle 1024x768, after that people complain they can't see the screen in my experience :-) 12:56 < paperclip> well.. i guess the question is which resolution/depth will an old card support 12:56 < paperclip> well.. i've thought about that sort of thing.. but i think i'm set on new.. 12:57 < davus> i'm just cheap ;-) i like the looks of some of the new thin clients too 12:57 < paperclip> i figure ~$300/seat for epia 5000/fanless psu/case/128mb ram /kybd/mouse/17" monitor 12:58 < paperclip> and it can be used as a pc later.. so it's a bit more versitile than just a thin client.. 12:59 < davus> xai: i think I had that problem, only with GDM, you mean back to the login window? 13:00 < davus> i found it was only at certain workstations, particularly where the network connectivity was not very reliable... 13:00 < davus> i never did figure it out though :-( 13:03 -!- oktay [~foo@su-nat.datapipe.net] has joined #ltsp 13:03 < oktay> hey guys.. i'm trying to enable PXE booting on intel pro100 nics 13:04 < oktay> after enabling it with their dos too.. ibautil, i get the following error 13:04 < oktay> "No dhcpcd-eth0.info file" 13:04 < oktay> google brings up ltsp related stuff when i search this phrase.. so i thought I'd ask about it here too 13:05 < paperclip> hmm.. 13:05 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2712.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 13:06 < davus> got me, i don't know much about PXE at all, that message is on the client? 13:06 < oktay> yes 13:06 < oktay> the thins is.. it gets the ip from the dhcp server initially 13:06 < oktay> to get the pxeboot image etc 13:06 < oktay> it loads that and then can't connect the dhcpd box again 13:06 < paperclip> maybe it wants to find that file somewhere.. 13:07 < davus> the dhcp box isn't multihomed is it? 13:07 < paperclip> or it's supposed to be in the pxe boot code.. 13:07 < oktay> davus~:~ multihomed ? as in virtual ips ? 13:08 < davus> yeah, but paperclip is probably closer to the target, i have seen problems with that before 13:08 < paperclip> multiple networks.. 13:08 < davus> where it gets an address but it tries to use the wrong one to reach dhcp again 13:08 < oktay> paperclip~:~ it it multihome and come to think of it.. a new interface was added yesterday 13:08 < xai> davus: yes, you are right.. 13:08 < oktay> for our backup network 13:08 < davus> to renew its lease or whatever it does 13:08 < xai> davus: network problem is my guess. 13:09 < oktay> so should I run dhcpd on a particular interface rather than not specifying one ? 13:09 < oktay> or what's the resolution ? 13:09 < davus> for simplicity, i would try removing all but one IP just to see if that works 13:09 < davus> so the server and the client are on the same network, physically and logically 13:10 < oktay> sound logical 13:10 < oktay> to make matters worse 13:10 < oktay> the new interface was added as eth0 13:10 < xai> stop right there. 13:10 < oktay> which probably works as the dhcpcd default 13:10 < xai> Don't make matters worse :) 13:10 < davus> lol 13:10 < oktay> so i will try running dhcpd on eth1 only 13:11 -!- habbe [~habbe@212.109.29.204] has joined #ltsp 13:13 < oktay> that doesn't seem to fix it. 13:14 < davus> :-( 13:14 < davus> well it was worth a shot :-) 13:14 < oktay> sure was 13:15 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:20 -!- brainless [cbca@PPP-219.65.58.130.mum2.vsnl.net.in] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:31 < xai> oktay: does the thin client have a pxe configuration tool? 13:31 < oktay> i might be able to go into the bios. why do you ask? 13:32 < xai> oktay: how far into pxe do you get? I had a similar problem last month.. What is that file it's referring to ? 13:32 < oktay> dhcpcd-eth0.info 13:32 < xai> oktay: where do you think it's looking for that file? 13:32 < oktay> i'm using the pxestuff from ltsp.org 13:32 -!- habbe [~habbe@212.109.29.204] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 13:32 < oktay> it gets the ip initially 13:33 < oktay> downloads the pxestuff tar.gz thingy 13:33 < oktay> loads it 13:33 < oktay> then does dhcpd again.. 13:33 < xai> Is it looking for hdcpcd-eth0.info on the server? 13:33 < oktay> i see 'Running dhclient' it stays like that 13:33 < xai> Its probably not finding the file it needs.. 13:33 < oktay> xai~:~ i think that file would be created if the NIC got a response back from the dhcp server 13:33 < xai> Which can be an NSF, or network, or file location problem. 13:34 < oktay> the thing is. i don't even see it asking for an ip the second time 13:34 < xai> k. 13:34 < xai> not sure. 13:34 < oktay> xai~:~ i doubt it would look something like eth0 on the server 13:34 < oktay> dhcpd is running on eth2 13:34 < oktay> so this is probably something on the client side 13:35 < oktay> actually.. yeah.. on my client that file is in 13:36 < oktay> /etc/dhcpc/ 13:36 < oktay> s/client/desktop/ 13:36 -!- robkeeling [~icechat@user-1501.bbd24tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 13:43 -!- Nine_finger_DK [~guf@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ltsp 13:53 -!- davus [~davus@206.183.158.36] has left #LTSP [] 14:03 -!- WX [~chris@64.215.19.211] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:15 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1887.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 14:21 -!- Nine_finger_DK [~guf@0x503e2cde.virnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 14:23 -!- robkeeling [~icechat@user-1501.bbd24tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["IceChat IRC Client - Download at www.IceChat.net"] 14:27 -!- gadi [~romm@h-66-166-99-234.NYCMNY83.covad.net] has joined #ltsp 14:40 -!- sbalneav [~sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:41 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1887.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 14:49 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 14:50 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1887.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 14:54 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1887.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 14:58 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:00 -!- NoUSe [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has quit ["BitchX: No windows left!"] 15:07 -!- habbe [~habbe@212.109.29.117] has joined #ltsp 15:10 < habbe> heya folks 15:11 < oktay> howdy 15:15 -!- greendisease [~jack@diup-211-24.inter.net.il] has joined #ltsp 15:29 -!- greendisease [~jack@diup-211-24.inter.net.il] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:32 -!- OOps[x86] [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:33 -!- OOps[x86] [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has joined #ltsp 15:36 -!- OOps[x86] [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:37 -!- marius_ [~marius@tpr-bras-131-133.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ltsp 15:38 -!- OOps[x86] [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has joined #ltsp 15:39 < marius_> Hello, One workstation has a onboard SIS 650 VGA card, the XF86_SVGA does not start, What X server do you suggest 15:39 -!- lanius [heino@p508E35AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex""] 15:40 < oktay> do you see an error message on the client 15:40 < oktay> ? 15:40 < marius_> no just a cursor block in the left side of the sreen 15:40 < oktay> ok. you should check the X log file 15:40 < oktay> in /var/log of the *client* 15:41 < marius_> ok will check now 15:41 < oktay> it might give you clues 15:41 < paperclip> how would you read /var/log on the client? 15:42 <@mistik1> drevil3: weather kewr 15:44 -!- habbe [~habbe@212.109.29.117] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:45 -!- ragnar is now known as ragnar_gone_sail 15:45 -!- Mundy [~mundy@p45-tnt1.adl.ihug.com.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:46 -!- Mundy [~mundy@p45-tnt1.adl.ihug.com.au] has joined #LTSP 15:49 < oktay> paperclip~:~ go to console and do more ? 15:51 < paperclip> you mean with runlevel 3 ? 15:52 -!- marius_ [~marius@tpr-bras-131-133.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:53 < oktay> or by hitting CTRL+ALT+2 15:53 < paperclip> oh.. hey 15:53 < oktay> or wait until X dies. that would show the error too 15:53 < oktay> best way is to do runlevel 3 though 15:56 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 15:59 -!- oscar_ [~oscar@router.acbc.com] has joined #ltsp 16:00 < oscar_> Does any one know how to disable games on a LTSP server RH9. Management request. 16:01 < oktay> remove the packages ? 16:02 < paperclip> you could just chown/chmod the offending diversions 16:05 < oscar_> i have removed the packages via redhat-config.... , yet they are still present in the terminal menu. 16:07 < paperclip> gnome? 16:07 < oscar_> by terminal i mean thin-client pop-up menu 16:08 < oscar_> kde 16:08 < paperclip> hmm.. i dunno about that.. sorry 16:08 < oscar_> no prob 16:09 < oscar_> where are the games mainly located 16:16 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 16:16 < oktay> on most systems they go to /usr/share/games 16:16 < oktay> or their own dirs 16:16 < oktay> but those games suck anyway :) 16:17 < oktay> i doubt people would bother playing them 16:30 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-180-183.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:02 -!- stevnblinux [~stevnb@204.182.52.178] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 17:10 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 17:25 -!- elumin8 [~elumin8@24.231.168.110] has joined #ltsp 17:25 < elumin8> what do i set the lts.conf to do for ws001 with a nvidia 4200 card? 17:26 < oktay> XSERVER = nv 17:26 < oktay> or try auto 17:26 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-160-149.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 17:27 < elumin8> auto failed, trying nv thanks 17:29 < oktay> yup 17:30 < elumin8> well finally after two weeks i got it to work 17:30 < oktay> great 17:33 < elumin8> anyone know why a pentium 120 with 48 megs of ram would stall on putting packets back together, it was my reason for ltsp not working 17:34 < oktay> what packets ? IP ? 17:34 < elumin8> yup ICMP: IP packets 17:34 < elumin8> using the same nic in another box works fine 17:34 < oktay> how did you figure out that's why it was stalling? 17:35 < elumin8> its the only thing different between the two machines in the logs 17:35 < elumin8> one stalls one doesn't 17:35 < oktay> i actually had a box like that today 17:35 < oktay> the onboard nic was stalling.. 17:35 -!- gadi [~romm@h-66-166-99-234.NYCMNY83.covad.net] has left #ltsp [] 17:36 < jammcq> maybe your 486 has an IRQ problem. Etherboot doesn't use IRQ's, so it would probably get a kernel, but once the workstation had to do something heavy, like NFS, it fails 17:36 < jammcq> what kind of nic ? 17:36 < elumin8> yeah i was thinking it was the nic but i have tried three nics in this machine with no luck, so i threw the nic in my 1900XP and it booted just fine 17:36 < elumin8> ones a realtek, ones a 3com 3c59x, and one is a eepro100 17:37 < jammcq> but i'm saying it's not the NIC, it's the 486 17:37 < elumin8> its a Pentium 120 17:37 < jammcq> maybe it doesn't do PCI Plug-n-play properly 17:37 < elumin8> its not a 486 17:37 < jammcq> err, Pentium 17:37 < oktay> mine was a pentium 4 :P 17:37 < elumin8> yeah i will probably mess with the bios 17:37 < jammcq> still, maybe it's a problem. 17:37 < oktay> i gave him a new nic. still no different. 17:37 < jammcq> did you try a different slot ? 17:37 < oktay> but. am I using etherboot though. i use the pxestuff thingy + pxe 17:38 < jammcq> maybe you need a bus-mastering PCI slot 17:38 < jammcq> oktay: no, you aren't using etherboot, but maybe pxe doesn't enable irq's either 17:38 < jammcq> maybe try popping the NIC into a different slot 17:38 -!- NoUse [~NoUse@12-209-230-75.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 17:39 < elumin8> jammcq thank you for all the help you have been giving me 17:39 < jammcq> sure, no problem 17:39 < oktay> jammcq~:~ i'll try that. 17:40 < elumin8> i geuss gentoo nfs isn't screwed lol 17:40 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2026.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 17:40 < jammcq> I didn't say that. it still could be. There's been several people here having trouble with Gentoo NFS 17:40 < elumin8> well my XP1900 is connecting to the gentoo machine 17:40 < oktay> :) 17:40 < elumin8> so i think it has something to do with the p120 17:41 < jammcq> elumin8: ok, then maybe your Gentoo is fine, and it is the p120 client 17:43 -!- dida [semun@61.5.36.80] has joined #ltsp 17:43 -!- dida [semun@61.5.36.80] has left #ltsp [] 17:48 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-161-7.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 17:48 -!- elumin8 [~elumin8@24.231.168.110] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 17:49 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-160-149.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:50 -!- __OOps__ is now known as OOps 17:54 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:55 < slidesinger> hullo 17:56 < slidesinger> jammcq: A quick business question if you are around. How do you handle your credit card customers? 17:57 * oktay is all ears 18:07 -!- slidesinger [~jtatum@pcp03291665pcs.arnysm01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:12 -!- bails [~bails@modem-2026.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:16 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:17 -!- xultz [~xultz@200.146.21.192.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ltsp 18:17 < xultz> hello folks, good night!!! 18:18 * xultz talking from Brazil 18:21 < xultz> I installed the ltsp_sound in one terminal and it