--- Log opened Fri Aug 01 00:00:06 2003 --- Log opened Fri Aug 01 00:00:59 2003 --- Day changed Tue Aug 05 2003 18:57 -!- ayanami [ayanami@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 18:57 -!- Topic for #ltsp: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ 18:57 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Sun Aug 3 16:30:45 2003] 18:57 [Users #ltsp] 18:57 [ arc ] [ hdaalz ] [ mistik1 ] [ parsley ] 18:57 [ ayanami ] [ HiltonT ] [ morfic ] [ pattieja ] 18:57 [ bjohnson|away] [ jahroots ] [ msi ] [ remote ] 18:57 [ blusyit ] [ jammcq_lwce] [ msinhore ] [ robbie ] 18:57 [ carlos ] [ jond3rd ] [ Mundy ] [ signal11 ] 18:57 [ ccjoe ] [ kungfuftr ] [ Mundy_ ] [ SmilieZ ] 18:57 [ Damascene ] [ kVanQue ] [ niks ] [ Snafu ] 18:57 [ drevil ] [ lucas ] [ no_paste ] [ sveltegeek] 18:57 [ DrEvil1 ] [ macros ] [ OOps ] [ TrAnCeFX ] 18:57 [ FatChix0r ] [ madctrl ] [ OOps[x86]] [ Vee2d2 ] 18:57 [ gola ] [ manimay__ ] [ paperclip] 18:57 -!- Irssi: #ltsp: Total of 43 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 43 normal] 18:57 -!- Channel #ltsp created Sun Aug 3 16:30:45 2003 18:57 < mistik1> hey Jim 18:57 < jammcq_lwce> hey jason 18:57 < mistik1> How goes it man 18:57 < jammcq_lwce> hey mistik1 18:57 < ayanami> hey :) 18:57 -!- Irssi: Join to #ltsp was synced in 19 secs 18:57 < jammcq_lwce> did you see the announcement ? 18:58 < mistik1> not yet 18:58 < ayanami> ya :) gimme a sec :) 18:58 < mistik1> Hey Jason 18:58 < ayanami> I'll topic it :) 18:58 < jammcq_lwce> Ok, guys, great news out here at LinuxWorld. LTSP has won "Best Open Source Project" :) 18:58 < carlos> Ok, guys, great news out here at LinuxWorld. LTSP has won "Best Open Source Project" :) 18:58 < mistik1> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:58 < msinhore> exist several process 18:58 < mistik1> YES!!!! 18:58 -!- mode/#ltsp [+o ayanami] by ChanServ 18:58 < carlos> I love you maaaannn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:58 < mistik1> About time the recognise 18:59 < jammcq_lwce> mistik1: we are getting huge recognition here 18:59 -!- ayanami changed the topic of #ltsp to: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ || LTSP is Linux World SF 2003's "Best Open Source Project" 18:59 <@ayanami> :) 18:59 < msi> msinhore: what does that mean? 18:59 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-154.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:59 -!- mode/#ltsp [-o ayanami] by ayanami 18:59 < jammcq_lwce> :) 18:59 < msi> are there processes from users which are currently not logged in? 18:59 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:59 < mistik1> rock on man 19:00 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: It is WELL deserved, believe me my brother 19:00 < carlos> msi http://www.geocities.com/cucnews/suicide.html 19:01 < carlos> jammcq_lwce congratulations! 19:01 < jammcq_lwce> ok, I gotta go for awhile 19:01 < mistik1> ok 19:01 < jammcq_lwce> but i'll be back later 19:01 < mistik1> laterz 19:02 < jammcq_lwce> :) 19:02 < ayanami> jammcq_lwce: time to go back to work :) 19:02 < msinhore> msi: no 19:02 < carlos> jammcq_lwce have fun 19:02 < msi> carlos: thx, but he doesnt need that, its like skill, isnt it? 19:02 < msi> msinhore: are you sure? 19:14 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mistik1, Damascene, jammcq_lwce, madctrl, macros, jond3rd, manimay__, TrAnCeFX, paperclip, Mundy 19:14 -!- Netsplit over, joins: manimay__, paperclip, TrAnCeFX, jammcq_lwce, Mundy, madctrl, Damascene, jond3rd, macros, mistik1 19:16 < carlos> weee 19:29 -!- WX [~chris@12-234-7-83.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 19:30 < WX> hi 19:32 -!- FatChix0r [~your@ca-snd-ar06-ericg-238.adnc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:33 -!- sveltegeek [~jbilbro@n223-109-141-208.tranquility.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:34 < carlos> hi WX 19:35 < carlos> Ok, guys, great news out here at LinuxWorld. LTSP has won "Best Open Source Project" :) 19:42 < WX> haha sweet 19:42 < WX> i was there! 19:42 < WX> :_P 19:42 < WX> :-P 19:42 < WX> i just got back 30 minutes ago 19:43 -!- sveltegeek [~jbilbro@n223-109-141-208.tranquility.net] has joined #ltsp 19:44 < carlos> kewl 19:44 < WX> yep 19:45 < sveltegeek> How do I install programs for ltsp workstations (like openoffice for example) 19:45 < WX> umm install them on the server ;) 19:45 < WX> and it works on the client 19:45 < sveltegeek> So the client can see the server's directories? 19:45 < WX> yep 19:45 < WX> when you log in to the client 19:45 < WX> it is just as if u were loggin into the server 19:45 < WX> loggin 19:46 < WX> logging 19:46 < WX> doh 19:46 < sveltegeek> do I have to do anything special for that to work? 19:46 < WX> nope 19:46 -!- msi [~t@pD9523820.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:46 < sveltegeek> Cool, someone else told me otherwise 19:46 < sveltegeek> maybe they meant for apps to run locally 19:46 < WX> pretend the xdm/gdm/kdm manager is actually on the server 19:46 < WX> oh 19:46 < WX> yea 19:46 < WX> to run apps locally, you have to change a bunch of settings 19:46 < WX> kind of a pain, but it's not too hard 19:46 < sveltegeek> I'm not ready to try that yet 19:46 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has quit ["Finalizando Cliente"] 19:46 < WX> hah yea 19:47 < WX> just get it all working first 19:47 < WX> then start messing around with more advanced features 19:47 < sveltegeek> I was attempting to get it working today on two identical pcs 19:47 < sveltegeek> but I just get a black screen on the workstation after it loads the kernel 19:47 < sveltegeek> and the monitor light flashes amber 19:48 < sveltegeek> Gnome runs perfectly on the 'server' though 19:48 < sveltegeek> Got any suggestions? 19:48 < WX> oh 19:48 < WX> yea 19:48 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: it's a modeline issue 19:48 < WX> install the SVGA server 19:48 < WX> for X 19:48 < WX> there's a module on the web site 19:48 < WX> also... if you just wait until tomorrow 19:48 < WX> a big announcement 19:49 < WX> so don't even bother wasting ur time with ur current setup ;) 19:49 < sveltegeek> Announcement? 19:49 < sveltegeek> New kernel? 19:49 < WX> better 19:49 < sveltegeek> New core? 19:49 < jond3rd> WX: jim will have an anouncement tom? 19:49 < WX> just wait till tomorrow before you do any messing around with ltsp 19:49 < WX> yea 19:49 < WX> trust me 19:49 < WX> worth the wait 19:49 < WX> or else u'll just be mad 19:49 < WX> that u wasted time ;) 19:49 < sveltegeek> Well I have to wait until tomorrow because the two PCs are at work 19:49 < WX> haha ok 19:49 < WX> well check ltsp.org tomorrow 19:49 < sveltegeek> will I have to start over what I did today? 19:50 < WX> umm 19:50 < jond3rd> hmm. interesting 19:50 < WX> possibly 19:50 < WX> ;) 19:50 < sveltegeek> doh! 19:50 < WX> haha it's ok 19:50 < jond3rd> I smell a release of ltps v 4 :) 19:50 < WX> it is easy the second time around 19:50 < jond3rd> s/ltps/ltsp 19:50 < WX> haha what u talking about jon??? 19:50 < WX> ;) 19:50 < WX> i was at LWE today... i'll be there again tomorrow 19:50 < WX> but anyways 19:50 < jond3rd> WX: hehe, the coming release of LTSP that rocks my world :) 19:51 < WX> im expected at a girl's house right this moment... so i gotta go jump in the shower 19:51 < WX> haha :) 19:51 < WX> LTSP 4 uses XFree86 4.3 19:51 < WX> so much better 19:51 < WX> ur video problem will be solved 19:51 < jond3rd> yeah, and it has a lot of features 19:51 < WX> yea 19:51 < sveltegeek> someone suggested that my problem was that I needed to copy my /etc/X11/XF86Config into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ 19:51 < WX> no don't do that! 19:51 < WX> haha 19:51 < jond3rd> like I can have cahr on session 1 X on 2 and so on 19:51 < sveltegeek> cahr? 19:51 < WX> yea! 19:52 < WX> alright gtg 19:52 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: what video cards you have on the workstation? 19:52 < sveltegeek> later, thx for the help 19:52 < WX> ttyl.... 19:52 < WX> np 19:52 < sveltegeek> they are onboard intel graphics 19:52 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: I mean char not cahr, typo :( 19:52 -!- WX is now known as WX-PARTY 19:52 < sveltegeek> 845 19:52 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: what do you have as XSERVER for that one? 19:52 < WX-PARTY> with LTSP4, u can have a console on tty1, and an xserver on tty2, etc, etc 19:52 < WX-PARTY> all tty1-8 19:52 < sveltegeek> auto 19:53 < WX-PARTY> and all custom whatever you want 19:53 < WX-PARTY> ok.... must get going.... 19:53 < sveltegeek> laterz 19:53 < WX-PARTY> laterz 19:53 < sveltegeek> jon- auto 19:53 < jond3rd> yeahm you can even have [ws002] = like [ws001] 19:53 < jond3rd> hehe 19:53 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: try to use XSERVER = XF86_SVGA 19:54 < sveltegeek> I'll try that 19:54 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: but be sure to install the package for that one 19:54 < sveltegeek> Download off the website? 19:54 < jond3rd> WX-PARTY: send my regards to jammcq_lwce 19:54 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: yeah 19:54 < sveltegeek> Should I just wait until tomorrow? 19:54 < sveltegeek> For the new release? 19:55 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: well, you can do that but if you want to make it work today, download the package 19:55 < sveltegeek> It's at work, so I won't get a crack at it until tomorrow. 19:55 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: then you should wait until tomorrow :) 19:56 < sveltegeek> So you think the new version will work better? 19:56 < sveltegeek> Do I have to completely reload the server w/rh9 or just run the new RPMs? 19:56 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: if it's the LTSP4, then yes its much much better 19:56 < jond3rd> sveltegeek: just simpkyt run the RPMs and you are pretty way to go 19:57 < sveltegeek> sweet man, thx 19:58 -!- fz- [~fz@202.155.1.5] has joined #ltsp 20:02 -!- ShayneOSU [~Useless_K@oh-ironton-u1-c511b-69.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ltsp 20:02 -!- HiltonT [~HiltonT@220.240.128.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:06 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.55] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:07 < ShayneOSU> Hi all. Anyone here have any experience calibrating an Elo touchscreen on a Jammin thin client? 20:07 < ShayneOSU> lol I know that's a pretty specific setup and unlikely ... figured I'd try. 20:07 < Snafu> there is none its an app thing .. 20:08 < Snafu> unless the driver allows you to scale/zero with parms ... 20:08 < ShayneOSU> There are no calibration apps available. There's a DOS program that you're supposed to use a boot disk with. That won't help with a Jammin. 20:10 < ShayneOSU> You're supposed to pass the correct calibration values in the lts.conf ... but I need something to figure those out. 20:11 < Snafu> and what does the clent have to do with it 20:11 < Snafu> the serial port is pretty generic and dont affect the numbers 20:12 < ShayneOSU> The Jammin does not have a floppy drive to use the calibration app. I need to know if there is a Linux app anywhere that I don't know about or something. 20:16 -!- fz- [~fz@202.155.1.5] has left #ltsp [] 20:30 -!- Netz [netz@CBL217-132-146-24.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ltsp 20:30 -!- Netz [netz@CBL217-132-146-24.bb.netvision.net.il] has left #ltsp [] 20:30 < Snafu> why not prep a bootable dos floppy for it 20:31 < Snafu> it can run a dos floppy from a ramdisk ... i forget how novell does it 20:32 < Snafu> it has no provision for an ide interface ? 20:33 < Snafu> you could come up with cal #'s on another machine running the same resolution 20:34 < Snafu> and how would the dos #s help i bet its only to do with a dos/winblows pointer emulator 20:34 < Snafu> i run into the same issues with graphics tablets ... 20:35 < carlos> eeewww, Id rather run a LINUX floppy with it! ;) 20:37 < Snafu> a graphics tablets raw numbers are meaningless and do not act as a pointeroutside of the drafting app like acad intergraph maya etc 20:38 -!- sveltegeek [~jbilbro@n223-109-141-208.tranquility.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:39 < ShayneOSU> Well, it seems that the DOS prompt starts up an X server at your desired resolution (you specify it) and you then tap some dots and it'll give you the info for that resolution. 20:39 < ShayneOSU> I dunno why they just won't release one for Linux. 20:42 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.15.106] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:37 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 21:37 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:55 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:59 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 22:02 -!- EnigmaX [~EnigmaX@pcp03435186pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 22:12 -!- WX-PARTY [~chris@12-234-7-83.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:12 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 22:13 -!- Zeus [~jonathan@164.77.150.161] has joined #ltsp 22:13 < Zeus> hi 22:13 < Zeus> :) 22:52 -!- niks [~neo@203.199.140.3] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:53 -!- niks [~neo@203.199.140.3] has joined #ltsp 22:58 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:59 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 23:13 -!- macros_ [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has joined #ltsp 23:16 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 23:16 < keyur> hi 23:17 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:18 < ShayneOSU> Hi 23:19 < keyur> question for win2k ts + ltsp combination, 23:19 < keyur> which memory is used for windows program 23:19 < keyur> win2kts server? or ws? or ltsp server? 23:20 < keyur> i think it is rdesktop, so it will use all memory of win2kts 23:20 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Client Quit] 23:22 < ShayneOSU> I'm sure it uses the server's memory. That's the way all of this terminal stuff works in Linux, unless you specially configure it to run some apps locally. 23:33 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:36 -!- macros [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection refused)] 23:39 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #ltsp 23:43 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 23:44 < Snafu> notice the lame ass crap requited to export a winblows program ... you are forced to export the whole desktop .. on linux/unix apps a b c can be split across compute engines d e f with the desktop ( ya dont need one, but apps on a bare xserver is a bit low on function like move/resize ;=] ) can be runnining locally or on yet a 5th cpu ... thats because X11 apps are standalone-network-transparent intrinsically in themselves ... 23:46 -!- macros_ is now known as macros 23:51 -!- Malcolm [~nospam@syc-na-gw.syc.net.au] has joined #ltsp 23:53 < Malcolm> Hi, I am after some help (if any is available), with floppy disks being made available in Win4Lin. (win4lin is not LTSP i know, but LTSP is what we are using to boot the xterminals, and I figure that its linux that we need to sort out floppy wise), we currently have it working with samba, but that is not ideal, as we cannot open files directly on the floppies, we have to copy them off somewhere else and back again 23:57 -!- Fat|Pictures [~your@ca-snd-ar06-ericg-238.adnc.com] has joined #ltsp --- Day changed Wed Aug 06 2003 00:12 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has quit ["Client exiting"] 00:25 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 00:40 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 00:41 < keyur> hi 00:41 < keyur> how win2k ts + ltsp works 00:41 < keyur> in the sense of memory mgt 00:42 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 00:44 < Malcolm> keyur: ltsp has lower overhead (relatively speaking) for base "login" level screen 00:45 < Malcolm> win2kTS has fairly large requirements. (ltsp is esentially just an X-Server that net boots linux workstations) 00:46 -!- niks [~neo@203.199.140.3] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 00:47 < keyur> Malcolm : no, i m in talking in the sense of ltsp with win 2k ts 00:47 < keyur> as rdesktop 00:47 < keyur> then which memory is used at the time of windows app from win2k ts 00:47 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:47 < keyur> ws memory ? or win2k ts memory ? or ltsp server memory ? 00:48 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:48 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 00:53 < Snafu> key i find it amazing you ask that 00:53 < Snafu> key amswer all 3 00:55 < Malcolm> keyur: ltsp is just like an xterm, we have 80+ of the ****ing things running win4lin, (actually the servers in each site are running win4lin) 00:56 < Malcolm> if only floppies worked properly... (or i was less retarded and could get nbd working) 00:57 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:58 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:59 < keyur> Malcolm : i m asking about, if win2k ts is install and used as rdesktop 00:59 < keyur> then in this case for running windows app using rdesktop 00:59 < keyur> at this time which memory is used 00:59 < keyur> ws or win2k ts 00:59 < keyur> ? 01:01 < Malcolm> keyur: workstation_memory(rdesktop running in memory, OS to run rdesktop). server_memory(win_ts, and all win apps started in session to ts box) 01:05 < keyur> Malcolm : so which ever windows app run thru rdesktop that takes win2k ts memory 01:05 < keyur> and rdesktop takes ws memory 01:05 < keyur> in this sense running 60 ws and using win2k ts for winodows app 01:06 < keyur> needed me to put higher win2k ts memory 01:06 < keyur> i have currently it is 256mb 01:06 < keyur> i think i should upgrade it to 1gb ram 01:07 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:08 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:12 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:13 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:17 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:18 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:21 -!- malcolm_ [~malcolm@139-142-113-167.dialup.islandnet.com] has joined #ltsp 01:22 < malcolm_> An imposter malcolm! 01:26 -!- niks [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has joined #ltsp 01:27 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:28 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:32 -!- ShayneOSU [~Useless_K@oh-ironton-u1-c511b-69.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has quit [] 01:34 < keyur> hi morfic 01:34 < keyur> i have put another vga monitor 01:34 < keyur> it works now 01:35 < keyur> it works yesterday night 01:35 < malcolm_> Malcolm: Just so you know, you'll have to change your /nick and re-join after I do this 01:35 -!- Malcolm [~nospam@syc-na-gw.syc.net.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:35 -!- malcolm_ is now known as malcolm 01:35 -!- malcolm [~malcolm@139-142-113-167.dialup.islandnet.com] has left #ltsp [] 01:35 < keyur> but now it's also start fluctuating 01:37 < keyur> will it because of network traffic 01:37 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:38 < Snafu> Malcom floppies suck ... just be glad it isnt a 500 dollar SS SD 35 track drive that held all of 90k on a 5 1/4 that cost 40$ a box of 10, and even more unreliable than now 01:38 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:38 < Snafu> burp those was the days .... eh ? 01:40 -!- EnigmaX [~EnigmaX@pcp03435186pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:42 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:43 -!- Daltasaur [~nospam@syc-na-gw.syc.net.au] has joined #ltsp 01:43 < Daltasaur> damn 02:37 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 02:40 -!- nikunj [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has joined #ltsp 02:41 -!- niks [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:45 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: t0m, mistik1, Damascene, lucas, jammcq_lwce, SmilieZ, madctrl, macros, manimay__, ccjoe, (+10 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 02:45 -!- tryller [~tryller@217-158-224.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #ltsp 02:45 -!- Netsplit over, joins: drevil, parsley, Zeus, macros, DrEvil1, t0m, MetaCosm, Fat|Pictures, ccjoe, mistik1 (+10 more) 02:50 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 02:57 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.172.226] has joined #ltsp 02:58 < exobyte> is there a pxe/etherboot bootloader out there? I looked into pxegrub, but I don't want to deal with compiling specifically for each card 02:59 < Snafu> exo cpmpile of what ? 03:00 < Snafu> pxe is what you use for built in on board stuff with on board boot rom code you certainly dont compile that 03:02 < exobyte> Snafu: compile of grub 03:02 < exobyte> Snafu: I want some network bootloader- if that makes sence 03:02 < Snafu> grup dont go in any rom or netcard rom 03:03 < Snafu> no it dont make sense .. 03:03 < exobyte> Snafu: it's an image that's downloaded and executed 03:03 < Snafu> as in its nonsensical 03:04 < Snafu> still not sensical 03:04 < exobyte> Ok- here's my goal. I want to network boot through etherboot or pxe and get a menu with images - LTSP, Unattended, etc 03:04 -!- lucas [lucas@202.45.126.237] has quit ["leaving"] 03:05 -!- dida [~pc4@202.155.128.93] has joined #ltsp 03:05 < Snafu> if you have no local disk then download of a loader instaed of a kernel is silly if you have local disk ,, not having the loader on it is silly 03:06 < Snafu> with no local disk "LTSP, Unattended, etc" = LTSP LTSP LTSP 03:07 < Snafu> with a local disk you can do whatever you want ... 03:07 < exobyte> Snafu: so without a local disk there's no way to chose what I want to load? 03:08 < Snafu> if you want more than that then get an old sun or sgi machine and use serial console ... or buy a compaq proliant with a server mgr card ... 03:08 < Snafu> choose what ? the kernel matches the hardware or it dont .. 03:10 < Snafu> and if a boot fails or is unrecoverable only a hardware reset or power cycle done with custom retrofit stuff could recover it ... ie. watchdog card ... 03:11 < Snafu> and you can choose with normal remote access to the server anyway ... 03:12 -!- nikunj [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:12 < exobyte> I can't do it with i386 then? 03:12 -!- nikunj [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has joined #ltsp 03:12 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: t0m, dida, mistik1, Damascene, jammcq_lwce, madctrl, tryller, manimay__, ccjoe, TrAnCeFX, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 03:13 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tryller, t0m, MetaCosm, Fat|Pictures, ccjoe, manimay__, paperclip, TrAnCeFX, jammcq_lwce, Mundy (+3 more) 03:13 < Snafu> why do it the hard way .. ... bah add a static IP mac addr kernel file section and repoint a symlink to choose a kernel ... assuming you have some remote oper relay to hardware reset or power off/on the box wanting reset .. you can choose a boot kernel that way ... 03:14 < Snafu> host Sparc { 03:14 < Snafu> hardware ethernet 08:00:20:1D:99:AD; 03:14 < Snafu> fixed-address 10.77.7.25; 03:14 < Snafu> option root-path "/tftpboot/sun"; 03:14 < Snafu> option domain-name-servers 10.77.7.1; 03:14 < Snafu> option domain-name "nop.org"; 03:14 < Snafu> filename "/tftpboot/sun4m.nfsroot"; 03:14 < Snafu> } 03:14 < Snafu> host SGI { 03:14 < Snafu> hardware ethernet 08:00:69:0A:15:C6; 03:14 < Snafu> fixed-address 10.77.7.24; 03:14 < Snafu> option root-path "/tftpboot/miniroot"; 03:14 < Snafu> option domain-name-servers 10.77.7.1; 03:14 < Snafu> option domain-name "nop.org"; 03:14 < Snafu> } 03:15 < Snafu> otherwise what your doing cant be done ... because i86 boxes dont have serial console access to IPL/bootrom code like a sun or sgi box does ... so therefore this remote control is not possible in the manner you proposed it .. 03:16 < exobyte> I was thinking it would be like a mini kernel that could get a list of kernels to load- but if it 03:16 < Snafu> there is exception ... compaq proliants have a battery back server manager board accessable via modem and network .. but its proprietary ... 03:16 < exobyte> ah 03:17 < exobyte> if it's not posible 03:17 < Snafu> i didnt say not possible ... i said not possible the way you proposed ,,, 03:19 < Snafu> you can choose the kernel from the server end AND, you can rig up a relay to something as silly as a printer port for remote control AND, you can script the whole affair to be controled via something as simple as a ssh session to the server from afar ... 03:19 < Snafu> so its certainly possible ... not even difficult .. 03:20 < exobyte> I'd just need to set the image before boot 03:20 < Snafu> either that ... or buy an old sun ss10 or something off ebay ... that supports serial console from the ipl rom level ... 03:21 -!- madctrl [~madctrl@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:22 < Snafu> and after all this, what do you accomplish ? ive loaded solaris from scratch from 2000 miles away ... having the lady swap cdroms and other things opon my command .. so i cant say it cant be usefull ... but one wonders what it is your attempting .. 03:24 < exobyte> A network where on boot you can chose what to do 03:25 < Snafu> before boot ... what network ? 03:25 < exobyte> just a generic network. Somewhere in the boot process 03:27 < Snafu> sun sgi and other unix boxes with sophisticated rom start/debug/ code have a network .. they have a mini os in rom .. superior to setting the boot device via a combo of cmos settings and active part selection .. but thats because unix boxes have a minios in rom .. the rom code on a sun even has a forth interpeter for cripes sake .. 03:28 -!- Gilly [~btw@155-linus.pikabaana.net] has joined #ltsp 03:28 < Snafu> but on a pc what network ? you have no network ... 03:29 < exobyte> How do I have no network? 03:29 -!- madctrl [~madctrl@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 03:29 < Gilly> Hello, i have a problem with dhclient or ifconfig i think, i get an kernel panic "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000" 03:30 < Snafu> perhaps some day .. some geek will port an OpenBOOT like mac/sun/sgi/others use easier for them because those machines only offer certain on board eth hardware 03:30 < Snafu> easy when your propietary 03:32 < Snafu> but the only network aware at bios for a PC are those with the on board eth and pxe ... or a add in card with the same .. and before you load a kernel you have no network .. except for the dhcp/tftp that the bootrom can do and nothing else 03:32 < exobyte> now my other crazy question. Is it possible to get ltsp to run on an xbox? 03:32 < Snafu> i can so a demo ... i can power up my sgi box and show you 03:33 < exobyte> Snafu: how many systems do you have?! 03:33 < Snafu> i donno 40 some odd ... 03:33 < Snafu> System Maintenance Menu 03:33 < Snafu> 1) Start System 03:33 < Snafu> 2) Install System Software 03:33 < Snafu> 3) Run Diagnostics 03:33 < Snafu> 4) Recover System 03:33 < Snafu> 5) Enter Command Monitor 03:33 < Snafu> Option? 03:34 < Snafu> Option? 5 03:34 < Snafu> Command Monitor. Type "exit" to return to the menu. 03:34 < Snafu> >> printenv 03:34 < Snafu> AutoLoad=Yes 03:34 < Snafu> TimeZone=CST6CDT 03:34 < Snafu> console=g 03:35 < Snafu> diskless=0 03:35 < Snafu> dbaud=9600 03:35 < Snafu> autopower=y 03:35 < Snafu> netaddr=10.77.7.24 03:35 < Snafu> eaddr=08:00:69:0a:15:c6 03:35 < Snafu> SystemPartition=scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(8) 03:35 < Snafu> OSLoadPartition=scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(0) 03:35 < Snafu> >> hinv 03:35 < Snafu> System: IP22 03:35 < Snafu> Processor: 250 Mhz R4400, with FPU 03:35 < Snafu> Secondary cache size: 2048 Kbytes 03:35 < Snafu> Graphics: High Impact 03:35 < Snafu> SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(1) 03:35 < Snafu> SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(2) 03:35 < Snafu> Audio: Iris Audio Processor 03:36 < Snafu> >> ls 03:36 < Snafu> scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(8)/: 03:36 < Snafu> sgilabel sash fx ide 03:36 < Snafu> >> 03:36 < Snafu> >> sash 03:36 < Snafu> 135184+22752+3248+341792+49344d+4552+6800 entry: 0x8ffa5ee0 03:36 < Snafu> Standalone Shell SGI Version 6.5 ARCS Jun 28, 2002 (32 Bit) 03:36 < Snafu> sash: 03:36 < Snafu> sash: boot 03:36 < Snafu> 3323548+294916 entry: 0x88005e60 03:36 < Snafu> IRIX Release 6.5 IP22 Version 07121148 System V 03:36 < Snafu> .. 03:37 -!- Gilly [~btw@155-linus.pikabaana.net] has quit ["leaving"] 03:37 < exobyte> too bad I don't have access to anythign other than i386 03:37 < Snafu> with the on board mino os loader that unix boxes come with you can do things ... 03:38 < Snafu> but a PC has none of these things ... unless you get so ghighly proprietary stuff 03:38 < Snafu> what are you attempting ? you can do what you saw with a old sun ... 03:39 < Snafu> an old sun will run linux ... and in all respects has the same feel as the pc version ... it wont be as fast .. but 03:39 < Snafu> but what are you attempting to accomplish ? 03:41 < Snafu> why would you want to remote choose a kernel ? and even so a bad kernel and your hosed .. you would need a remote relay setup or server manager board or watchdog card to recover 03:41 < exobyte> honestly- i'm just screwing around. One thing I'd like is to get unattended working 03:41 < Snafu> unattended what ? 03:42 < exobyte> it's for network windows installs 03:42 < Snafu> thats easy ... you can do that really easy ... 03:43 < Snafu> esp if all the hd's are the same size same model ... 03:43 < exobyte> heh, they're not 03:43 < Snafu> a linux ramdisk system network booted can extract a hdimage to a disk 03:44 < Snafu> well not even winblows can deal with that ... 03:44 < exobyte> yea, but i've heard it's better to do the install 03:44 < Snafu> "install" well winblows "install" is dumbfucked down ... its not networkable ... 03:45 < Snafu> a raw image is networkable ... but hd geometry must match th image ... 03:45 < keyur> hi 03:46 < keyur> my vga monitor works but with half of portion of screen is not used by it 03:46 < keyur> i m using 800x600 resolution 03:46 < keyur> and it not works with lower resoultion 03:46 < keyur> i want to use full screen area 03:46 < keyur> how to set it to use full screen area 03:46 < keyur> on monochrome monitor 03:47 < Snafu> afaik only dos using novelldiskless tools and unixes of many flavors are network installable ... winblows is too crude and dumbfuck for such a thing ... you can write a raw disk image of an installed system ... that is all and only possible because you use linux etc to bypass dumbfuck winblows limitations 03:47 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.55] has joined #ltsp 03:49 < tryller> Snafu: Do you know how to set up local floppy ? 03:49 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:49 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: DrEvil1, macros, exobyte, parsley, Zeus, drevil 03:49 < Snafu> even os2 is network installable ... because its boot loader dont depend on memeory mapped kernels 03:49 -!- nikunj_ [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has joined #ltsp 03:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: exobyte, DrEvil1, macros, Zeus, parsley, drevil 03:50 < keyur> Snafu : is it possible to set full screen image in it with monochrome monitor 03:50 < keyur> by setting differen modes 03:50 < keyur> ? 03:51 < Snafu> what kind of monitor ... flatscreen ? 03:53 < keyur> no 03:53 < keyur> its svga samtel monitor 03:54 < keyur> my one kind of vga monitor doesn't work 03:55 < exobyte> Snafu: thx for the help. Now I have some thinking to do. 03:56 < Snafu> those dont have picture geo controls ? 03:57 < Snafu> you can also adjust by running ... hmmm 03:57 < keyur> no, because word and excel 3.1 works, even tally for accounting is also works well there 03:57 < Snafu> 03:57 < Snafu> Fubar:~# ls /usr/X11R6/bin | grep tune 03:57 < Snafu> xvidtune 03:58 < Snafu> ya xvidtune 03:58 < keyur> Sanuf : xvidtune? 03:58 < keyur> for me? 03:59 < Snafu> "" if you have an IQ higher than a grape and more snap than a stewed carrot, would not the natural curosity of any person with barely detectable intellect have compelled him to see what its all about ? " 04:00 < Snafu> "" thats why noobs to linux are either a) 8 years old and just got a machine b) 88 years old, and just got a machine, c) a winblows dumbfuck that really should not be trusted with a machine "" 04:00 < Snafu> heh 04:00 < keyur> Snafu : what this will do 04:00 < keyur> ? 04:01 < keyur> xvidtune 04:02 < Snafu> Fubar:~# man xvidtune 04:02 < Snafu> Formatting page, please wait... 04:02 < Snafu> xvidtune(1) xvidtune(1) 04:02 < Snafu> NAME 04:02 < Snafu> xvidtune - video mode tuner for XFree86 04:02 < keyur> hmm 04:03 < keyur> i m on diff machine, so i like to ask u directly rather than going to server, which is far and no telnet server in it 04:04 < Snafu> i donno why people dont build full machines with intended client hardware ... to work out all these details before attempting to roll that tuning into a client roll out ... why do people always do things the hard way ? 04:05 -!- nikunj [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:05 < Snafu> "diff machine" so ? it dont have man pages ? heh 04:06 < keyur> ok, cool 04:06 < Snafu> and no sshd on the server ? man o man ,,, 04:07 < Snafu> Sgi:~# halt 04:07 < Snafu> Shutdown started. Tue Aug 5 17:08:38 CDT 2003 04:07 < Snafu> THE SYSTEM IS BEING SHUT DOWN! Log off now. 04:07 < Snafu> Sgi:~# 04:08 < Snafu> they can be really dramatic eh ? well i suppose if your the abuse base of a 80's BOFH ... 04:08 -!- Daltasaur [~nospam@syc-na-gw.syc.net.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:29 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.172.226] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:46 -!- lanius [heino@p508E379C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 04:49 -!- nikunj [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has joined #ltsp 04:49 -!- nikunj_ [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:50 < lanius> there is finally a official gentoo ltsp guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml 05:40 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:46 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [] 05:53 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1239.awesome.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 05:53 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 05:54 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:55 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:55 -!- Sax [~Sax@67.41.222.21] has joined #ltsp 05:57 < Sax> so, I heard LTSP4 will be out soon.... may I ask if there is a planned release date? or what the news is? 06:02 -!- morfic- [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 06:05 -!- morfic- [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 06:15 -!- morfic- [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 06:31 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 06:42 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 06:42 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has joined #ltsp 06:43 -!- bjohnson|away [~bjohnson@ip37-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:46 -!- frame [~frame@gprs-13.uninet.ee] has joined #ltsp 06:56 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 07:04 -!- Sax [~Sax@67.41.222.21] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 07:08 -!- penguini [~pka@winax31-b204.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ltsp 07:08 -!- penguini [~pka@winax31-b204.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 07:13 < keyur> hi 07:14 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 07:15 < madctrl> hi 07:16 < arkadi> hi, how is your monochrome? did you threw it out from the 5th floor? ;) 07:17 -!- tripz__ [~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se] has joined #ltsp 07:17 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1239.awesome.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 07:18 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 07:20 -!- frame [~frame@gprs-13.uninet.ee] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 07:24 < keyur> arkadi : no, one class of monochrome doesn't work,but other samtel monochrome works 07:25 < keyur> but it uses middel part of screen 07:25 < keyur> other part are not used by its, so screen is apear very small 07:29 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has joined #ltsp 07:29 < arkadi> tried xvidtune to tune modeline? 07:29 < msinhore> hello all 07:29 < arkadi> hi 07:29 < msinhore> please, I need start dhcpd on 2 ethernet card. how to this? 07:30 -!- davus [~davus@ns5xp.newhampton.org] has joined #LTSP 07:30 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1239.awesome.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 07:31 < arkadi> what the problem? just start it w/o interface command line parameter and configure subnets in .conf 07:31 < arkadi> or specify multiple interfaces in command line (in case you have 3+ of them) 07:38 < keyur> arkadi : xvidtune i have tried, and tried wide option but it not makes it wide, if i set it wider then display becomes bad, very bad not even one can see the ltsp lable 07:39 -!- kVanQue [~kvanque@port354.ds1-by.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:46 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 07:49 -!- Zeus [~jonathan@164.77.150.161] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:53 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["now going out ..."] 07:54 -!- penguini [~pka@winax31-b204.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ltsp 07:55 -!- jjjj [~chatzilla@216.174.41.86] has joined #ltsp 07:55 -!- penguini [~pka@winax31-b204.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 07:58 < jjjj> morning 07:59 < madctrl> jjjj: the clock are 0300pm 07:59 < jjjj> its 9 am here 08:02 < jjjj> the day is just starting 08:08 < madctrl> so what are you goinge to do today? 08:08 < madctrl> going 08:08 < jjjj> some research for my boss 08:09 < madctrl> ok 08:10 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 08:11 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 08:11 < keyur> hi 08:12 < keyur> morfic 08:17 -!- Skarmeth [~Skarmeth@CE142003.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ltsp 08:17 < Skarmeth> hello 08:17 < Skarmeth> I need some help about thinclients stations 08:18 < Skarmeth> I will remove 10 windows stations (old pcs) to put linux and thinclients using ltsp 08:19 < Skarmeth> But, I will need a client compatible with LTSP/Unix (XDMCP) and Windows Terminal Server (RDP), and if no too dispendious Citrix too 08:19 < Skarmeth> What brand/model can features this? 08:21 < arkadi> if you'' go for PC stations - check this out: http://old.lwn.net/Distributions/index.php3#diskless 08:26 < msinhore> arkadi: you view the files? 08:27 < arkadi> msinhore: yep, puzzled, looks ok to me, more checking.. 08:27 < jjjj> what is the problem 08:28 < arkadi> msinhore: maybe dhcpd is buggy/too old? 08:29 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1239.awesome.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:30 < arkadi> jjjj: dhcpd: "Interface eth0 matches multiple shared networks", but config and ifconfig looks ok. damn, where is pastebot we can use? 08:30 -!- mayur007 [~dfhg@219.65.81.192] has joined #ltsp 08:31 < jjjj> what version of dhcpd 08:31 < mayur007> is any one here to help me for i810 beased client setup 08:34 < keyur> i have plan for my server like, p-4 1.5ghz, 1gb ram and 80gb hdd with load of arround 40 ws 08:34 < keyur> will it suitable? 08:34 < msinhore> my dhcpd is on version 3.0pl1 08:34 < Snafu> http://www-124.ibm.com/linux/projects/minilibc/ 08:34 < keyur> most of ws having 10mbps card, and server is having 100mbps card 08:34 < jjjj> well its not that then 08:35 < jjjj> is there more than one nic in the machine 08:36 < keyur> ws are genrally p-1 60mhz with 32 mb ram 08:36 < msinhore> arkadi: who I solution this case? 08:36 < keyur> my plan is to provide switch on all of them 08:36 < jjjj> msinhore: is there more than one nic in the machine 08:36 < keyur> instead of hub right now 08:38 < arkadi> jjjj: check out http://www.pastebin.com/12598 08:38 < keyur> will it suitable for 40 users, most of them running oo, evolution and some windows app from w2k ts 08:38 -!- bails [~bails@modem-776.awesome.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 08:39 < keyur> arkadi & jjjj 08:39 < keyur> what u think ? 08:39 < keyur> whether it is suitable? 08:39 < arkadi> mine is 3.0.1rc11 (debian unstable 3.0+3.0.1rc11-5), multiple interfaces works for me 08:40 < msinhore> jjj:yes, 2 nics 08:40 < keyur> i m using 4gb swap, and allowing nfsswap to all my ws 08:40 < msinhore> and I need the dhcpd on the 2 nics 08:40 < arkadi> keyur: it depends, deploy it and see, maybe ram is a bit tight, oo is cpu hungry with big ms word files, switch is a must 08:41 < keyur> arkadi : so i should increase server ram 08:41 < jjjj> can you bring on down and have the other work 08:41 < keyur> but may be 5 users r having 128mb ram 08:42 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, robbie, jond3rd 08:42 < jjjj> er one/one 08:42 < jjjj> er on/one 08:42 < keyur> so they will be componseted 08:42 -!- wysiwim [~junior@200.162.13.34] has joined #ltsp 08:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: robbie, jond3rd, SmilieZ 08:42 < wysiwim> hello 08:43 < Snafu> http://www-124.ibm.com/linux/projects/minilibc 08:43 < arkadi> hi 08:43 < Snafu> who was asking about the compact lib tool 08:44 < keyur> arkadi : and what about windows app? 08:44 < mayur007> is any one here to help me for i810 beased client setup 08:44 < mayur007> is any one here to help me for i810 beased client setup 08:44 < jjjj> msinhor: the machine works both networks right 08:44 < Snafu> i donno why people dont build full machines with intended client hardware ... to work out all these details before attempting to roll that tuning into a client roll out ... why do people always do things the hard way ? 08:45 < arkadi> keyur: you mean rdesktop? run it localy on terminal to save traffic, it is just remote framebuffer 08:45 < arkadi> mayur007: go on.. 08:46 < msinhore> yes 08:46 < msinhore> jjjj: yes 08:46 < jjjj> k 08:46 < keyur> arkadi : yes rdesktop 08:47 < keyur> i will provide win2k ts also 1gb ram 08:48 < keyur> but actually how win2k ts and rdesktop works in sense of memory mgt 08:48 < jjjj> msinhore: as a test, what if you have one share-network declaration with two subnets on it 08:48 < arkadi> keyur: don't know much about w2k, but as you understand its all depends on applications.. 08:49 < msinhore> you need my dhcpd config? 08:49 < jjjj> ya 08:49 < jjjj> but nevermind, i dont think it will work 08:49 < keyur> arkadi : but what is that remote framebuffer, u talk about 08:49 < jjjj> There is no way to distinguish on which subnet of a shared network a client should boot. 08:50 * madctrl is away: girlfriend.. 08:50 < jjjj> that is for the manpage of dhcpd.conf 08:50 < keyur> arkadi : and how to run it locally to save traffic 08:51 < keyur> i want this concepts basic understanding 08:52 < keyur> arkadi : is there any reference page for it? 08:52 < Snafu> jjjj well actually there is ... 08:54 < jjjj> Snafu: the man page i found on the the web does say what version os dhcpd its for, so it may be out of data 08:54 < jjjj> er date 08:54 < jjjj> msinhore: in that case 08:55 < jjjj> declare only one shared network 08:55 < jjjj> with 2 subnets 08:56 < arkadi> keyur: many ways: local applications; start two X instances and start rdesktop on second one so users can switch between Linux and Windows with Ctrl-Alt-Fx; etc. check out Netstation and PXES - they both have non-X11 protocols support already pre-packaged. 08:56 < msinhore> jjjj: yes 08:57 < Snafu> "what version os" heh 08:57 < Snafu> its not tied to any verion of anything 08:58 < msinhore> I have a problem whit the my network. I work on a digital include project and we have a 3 hub 10BT and 1 switch 100BT 08:58 < jjjj> er of 08:58 < msinhore> the performance is very slow on the network 08:59 < jjjj> snafu: there is some big difference of what you can do in dhcpd v3 versus the earlier versoin 08:59 < keyur> arkadi : what about memory usage, how it should be optimum 09:00 < msinhore> Snafu: my os is the k12ltsp 09:00 < keyur> optimum in the sense it will use as much as from it's own and then use win2k ts 09:00 < Snafu> jjjj yes that .. that for most of us we dont use .. ya dont need that to handle multiple subnets etc ... since dhcp dont offer ip's to non local hosts .. multiple subnets on the same wire = who cares / if you care you are doing wrong 09:00 < mayur007> is any one here to help me for i810 beased client setup 09:01 < mayur007> is any one here to help me for i810 beased client setup 09:01 < mayur007> is any one here to help me for i810 beased client setup 09:01 < Snafu> otherwise it will happily offer leases that are inside the subnet a card operates on .. giving out the right range for each card 09:02 < jjjj> msinhore: http://www.pastebin.com/12602 09:02 -!- farang-35 [~daniel@ppp-203.118.103.32.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ltsp 09:02 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 09:02 < msinhore> my solution is isolate the fisical network for the broadcast not have overhead 09:02 < jjjj> there is main part of my dhcpd that works for my home machine 09:02 < Snafu> multimple subnets on the same wire is a network design flaw anyway ... since to get from subnet xx to yy on the same wire you must bounce off the defroute flooding the wire with all that data twice !! winblows dumbfucks often make this mistake .. then wonder why their network really sucks .. 09:03 < Snafu> really sucks because a flood of clients bouncing off an underpowered cisco 2500 to get back to a server is a reeally bad fuckup to make 09:03 < mayur007> is any one here to help me for i810 beased client setup 09:03 < mayur007> hi 09:03 < jjjj> i have 2 nics in it, one to connect to my dsl modem and one to connect to the lan 09:04 < jjjj> and it works 09:05 < jjjj> and yes i really run dhcp at home 09:05 < Snafu> sure it does .. and it could work with one too .. with a handfull it fine to be sloppy ... unless your doing a blender render farm where clean pipes will really help .. 09:06 < jjjj> huh? 09:06 < arkadi> keyur: i don'undestand, you use linux applications on linux, windows specific applications on windows, thats it. 09:06 < keyur> arkadi : yes 09:06 < keyur> like most of users are using oo and evolution and they are on linux 09:06 < Snafu> the bozos im talking about might have 2500 seats .. with a dozen C's instaed of larger to handle things .. and have 100s of seats ass going thru the poor cisco 2500 bouncback funnel to get to the server 09:07 < arkadi> keyur: so when you see some server is in ram shortage, you just put more ram in it.. 09:07 < keyur> but some user are using windows app like tally( accounting sw) 09:07 < Snafu> mo ram mo ram ,,,, 09:08 < Snafu> http://www.junkyardwillie.com/wave/gynecology.htm 09:08 < keyur> arkadi : i want to know the ram working in this case, i.e. how memory is used in this case 09:08 < keyur> when user is running windows app, which ram is used 09:08 < jjjj> msinhore: you do need two sperate shared network declarations 09:08 < keyur> its ws, or win2k ts 09:09 < arkadi> keyur: surelly, i'll know when there is not enough ram - users will complain.. :) 09:09 < Snafu> 5. I mona stick a chicken fried drum stick up YO mama bootie 09:09 < keyur> if both then how load is seprated 09:09 < jjjj> Snafu is off on some rant again 09:10 < Snafu> heh 09:10 < keyur> arkadi : so it will be automatically noticed 09:10 < keyur> by practicle usage 09:10 < arkadi> keyur: sort of.. ;) 09:11 < keyur> arkadi : thanks 09:11 -!- nikunj [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:11 < Snafu> well sometimes im simply off .. ( most say more than sometimes ) Key has a problem with a lack of basic concepts .. add in a language barrier ... heh 09:11 < msinhore> yes I do this on my dhcpd.conf 09:11 < jjjj> Snafu: i hear ya 09:11 -!- nikunj [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has joined #ltsp 09:12 < keyur> Snafu : i have just seen linux before 2 months 09:12 < keyur> and i started to work on it 09:12 < keyur> so slowly slowly it will be solved 09:12 < Snafu> but its clearn he is a bit unclear on what is being done where on a generic ltsp setup .. or why it would cut traffic in half if he ran rdesktop on the client .. 09:12 < keyur> by help of people like u 09:13 < Snafu> welp linux is 98% unix ... so if you have any books on unix around in your native language .. it will help 09:13 < farang-35> Snafu: It's a difficult concept for people to get their heads around at first 09:14 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@AP-202-70-106-57.compass.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 09:14 < jjjj> msinhore: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/debian-user-200112/msg02207.html 09:14 < Snafu> but i bet non english unix lit is rare cept perhaps postmodern western countries like germany perhaps 09:14 < jjjj> try taking out the shared network declarations 09:14 < keyur> Snafu : i m trying my maximum but still need some help from this channel, and only this channel has learn me lots 09:14 < jjjj> all together 09:15 < jjjj> the machines does have 2 physically seperate nic right 09:15 < arkadi> mayur007: so whats wrong with i810? paste you problem, somebody answers.. maybe.. 09:15 -!- mayur007 [~dfhg@219.65.81.192] has quit [] 09:15 < jjjj> (or atleast 2 plugs, if its intergrated or something) 09:18 < jjjj> where did everyone go 09:18 < Snafu> afaik the i810 isnt in ltsp nor is it in most distros .. cram it on google .. i seem to remember a 3.x server binary offered by someone .. 09:19 < Snafu> ir was it another intell card ? dont remember 09:19 < jjjj> Snafu: that is another problem with the people coming in asking stupid stuff, they dont know how to google 09:19 < Snafu> but it seems prudent to cram i810 into the search box of google.org/linux and see what happens next ... 09:21 < Snafu> and with a weirdware/crapware client its often good to build a complete machine with it and get all working .. then use the materials and discovery to outfit the client runtime for the server 09:22 < Snafu> thats certainly the easy way ... doodling around smoke testing Xfree configs seems to be a needless pain amplifier 09:22 < arkadi> Snafu: you are off the topic, i810 _is_ supported by ltsp (xfree86 4.x), just sometimes weird problems here and there, most likely with need videomem param tweaking, more appropriate for #xfree86 anyway.. 09:23 < Snafu> but heh .. i donno perhaps the guy likes pain .. perhaps his chair has poison spikes and ... 09:23 < Snafu> well google would have show that in short order ... 09:23 -!- e1th0r [~pepe@host-200-75-135-26.net-uno.net] has joined #ltsp 09:23 < msinhore> I obtained to configure: 09:24 < e1th0r> hello/hola/bonjour 09:25 < keyur> arkadi : i find my answer from http://www.geocities.com/rdesk_solaris/ 09:25 < Snafu> Pain Amplifier ... good term swiped from the movie Dune ... 09:25 < keyur> they says rdesktop just do piping, so all the ram are going to use of win2k ts 09:26 < msinhore> shared-network WORKSTATIONS { 09:26 < msinhore> subnet 192.168.20.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { 09:26 < msinhore> options ... 09:26 < msinhore> } 09:26 < msinhore> subnet 192.168.30.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { 09:26 < msinhore> optinos ... 09:26 < keyur> it just uses ram of ws for ghaphics 09:26 < msinhore> } 09:26 < msinhore> } 09:26 < keyur> sorry msinhore, i have pasted my line in between 09:26 < Snafu> plus the ram for the rdesktop client that eats ram for save unders and backing store ,, pluss the ram sucked on the xserver ... 09:27 < msinhore> keyur: no problem 09:27 < Snafu> plus if you run it non local .. then all the traffic goies over the wire twice .. 09:27 < jjjj> msinhore: take out the shared-network out completely 09:28 < keyur> Snafu : so i think local app will help me lot here 09:28 < keyur> but local app will works with 32mb ram ws capacity 09:28 < arkadi> guys, use pastebin.com (i suppose #php guys would not be angry on us ;) 09:28 < jjjj> lol 09:29 < msinhore> jjjj: who? 09:29 < jjjj> that was to arkadi on the #php people not minding 09:29 < arkadi> keyur: 32mb - imo ok, we use 16mb ws w/o local apps and it works fine for us. 09:30 < arkadi> anyone care to explain what happens with _OUR_ pastebot? 09:31 -!- e1th0r [~pepe@host-200-75-135-26.net-uno.net] has quit [] 09:31 < arkadi> keyur: up to 8mb nfs swap used, no use complains.. 09:31 < arkadi> use/user 09:32 < keyur> arkadi : so i think i can use it also without local app, and i m giving 64mb nfs swap to all my users 09:32 < jjjj> msinhore: make your dhcpd.conf like this: http://www.pastebin.com/12603 09:32 < jjjj> no shared-networks declarationg at all 09:33 < keyur> because some times they are thrown out, so since when i started to give 64mb nfs swap they becomes slow but they are not thrown out now 09:35 < msinhore> jjjj: ok 09:35 -!- fur [~knoppix@ipdial-168-61.tri-isys.com] has joined #ltsp 09:35 < fur> hello! 09:35 < keyur> ok, thanks to all, i have to leave because one call for me from outside, good night and thanks to all 09:35 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:36 < jjjj> thank god he's gone ;-P 09:37 < arkadi> ;) 09:38 < fur> has anyone tried using hp scanner from a client? how was it? 09:39 < fur> hello people :) 09:40 -!- bails [~bails@modem-776.awesome.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 09:41 < arkadi> we are here, probably nobody have scaners, we are cheap bastards.. 09:41 < jjjj> some of us anyway 09:42 * jjjj isnt cheap 09:43 < arkadi> ok, ok, forgot to add :) 09:43 < fur> well... i've ask because i heard that they throw old stuffs in japan. 09:43 < fur> hmmm maybe. 09:44 < fur> nervermind. :) 09:47 < Snafu> im cheap my scanner was cheap .. but its scsi .. so ill still be using it years after your sorry ass propretary i/f scanner goes to the lanfill .. 09:48 < Snafu> sane rocks ... 09:48 < fur> it work? 09:48 < jjjj> lol 09:48 < jjjj> my scanner is usb 09:48 < jjjj> dont have it working in linux though 09:49 < jjjj> but that is me just being lazy 09:49 < Snafu> sane is networkable even so only the daemon needs to run on the client ,,, 09:50 < Snafu> even tho running local would be ok .. network unless its gig/eth will slow the scane down a bit tho 09:50 < jjjj> lol 09:51 < Snafu> a hicolor full scan can be a 24m / larger file 09:51 < jjjj> yes it can 09:52 < Snafu> load it up in xv save the pnm out as a gif or .. shrinks it down a bunch 09:53 -!- farang-35 [~daniel@ppp-203.118.103.32.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:54 < Snafu> my scanner runs off a lib5 based ( slack 4 ) 486 66 eisa machine .. nice and fast .. the scsi cards are 2740's 09:54 < Snafu> that board hot shit at the time .. was 400 dolars .. ram another 800 dolars for its 32m ... 09:55 < Snafu> those was the days eh ? its original 2 1g imprimis FH 5" scsis that its still running cost 1800 ea ... 09:57 < jjjj> Snafu has departed for a trip down memory lane.... 09:57 -!- fur [~knoppix@ipdial-168-61.tri-isys.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:57 -!- wysiwim [~junior@200.162.13.34] has left #ltsp [] 09:58 -!- tryller [~tryller@217-158-224.adsl.tele2.no] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:59 < jjjj> msinhore: how is it coming 09:59 < Snafu> it snuck up on me ... happens sometimes ... 09:59 < jjjj> lol 10:00 < jjjj> Snafu: remember when 8 meg simms were $250 10:00 < Snafu> i remember when 4 meg 30 pin simms was that much 10:00 < jjjj> hehe 10:00 < jjjj> i was a little young then 10:01 < Snafu> i know i bought them ... just over 200 ea over 800 for the 32m thats in there 10:01 < Snafu> er over 1600 that is .. 10:01 < jjjj> i was in the 8th grade so i was around 10 or 11 when the 8 megs were 250, 10:01 < Snafu> 4 of them was 800 bucks ... 10:02 < msinhore> jjjj: now I have a problem for download of kernel on the second network. 10:02 < jjjj> but dhcp works 10:02 < jjjj> or atleast runs 10:02 < msinhore> yes, work 10:02 < jjjj> nice 10:03 < Snafu> "2nd" network .. i bet this other subnet is on the same wire 10:03 < jjjj> its not 10:03 < jjjj> that was his problem 10:03 < Snafu> well if its not but on another card thats better 10:03 < jjjj> haha 10:04 < jjjj> Snafu: 800 bucks now will get you 4 gigs of pc2700 ddr 10:04 < Snafu> 2 subnets on the same wire create "issues" tho ... for nfs for tftp for the tcpwrapper etc etc 10:05 < Snafu> ya back then only 1g of disk was 1800 $ 10:05 < jjjj> lol 10:05 < msinhore> Snafu: I use 2 fisical network and not 2 subnet under same wire 10:06 < jjjj> my pb500 had a 32meg hard drive 10:06 < Snafu> and only the big spender had em .. most servers those days used 330 and 660m disks .. 1g disks was new ... 10:06 < msinhore> I change the /etc/exportfs for export the directorys for the 2nd network 10:07 < Snafu> msinhore so if the linux box has a card for each wire it will work peachy ... 10:07 < Snafu> /etc/exportfs ? /etc/exports ya mean ... 10:07 < jjjj> msinhore: you need two sets of exports on for each interface 10:07 < msinhore> sorry, you is correct 10:08 < Snafu> and yeah that has issues too 10:08 < Snafu> / 10.77.7.0/255.255.255.0(link_relative,rw,no_root_squash) 209.176.43.216/255.255.255.248(link_relative,rw,no_root_squash) 10:08 < msinhore> I did this 10:08 < msinhore> and the tftp? an I change the hosts.alow for xxx.xxx. 10:09 < msinhore> its correct? 10:09 < jjjj> yes 10:09 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 10:09 < Snafu> the hosts file must match hosts.allow and the exports file too 10:10 < Snafu> returned and resolved strings must match 10:10 < jjjj> yep, or you get errors or, it runs really slow 10:10 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 10:10 -!- nikunj [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:11 < Snafu> dns lookup timeout wait ... a local dns authorivie for that subnet(s) speeds that up even if the ip is empty since the time to lookup fail is then 0 10:11 -!- nikunj [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has joined #ltsp 10:12 < msinhore> and because the boot process remain in after the client dhcp get the your IP address? 10:13 < Snafu> the tcpwrapper does a rev lookup ... you can take tcpd out of inetd.conf for that service btw 10:14 < Snafu> Snafu:~# grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf 10:14 < Snafu> tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd in.tftpd /tftpboot 10:14 < Snafu> becomes 10:15 < Snafu> tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /tftpboot 10:15 < Snafu> comment out the old paste in a new .. pluck out tcpd .. 10:15 < Snafu> killall -HUP inetd presto ! 10:16 < msinhore> I use the xinetd 10:16 < Snafu> that wont help nfs portmapper uses tcpd 10:17 < Snafu> otherwise make sure all your strings will match up .. 10:18 < Snafu> export the readonlys for @world etc .. 10:18 < Snafu> /data1/slackware/slackware-current 10:18 < Snafu> 10:18 < Snafu> /data1/slackware/slackware-8.1 10:18 < Snafu> 10:19 < Snafu> # 10:19 < Snafu> /sw81 *(sync,ro,no_root_squash) 10:19 < Snafu> /swcurr *(sync,ro,no_root_squash) 10:20 < Snafu> heh im too lasy to remove the nonsensical no_root_squash for the readonlys whats it matter anyway .. heh 10:21 < Snafu> nix roolz ... 10:21 -!- Skarmeth [~Skarmeth@CE142003.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 10:22 < Snafu> who was the guy attempting to make thin libraries ? 10:23 < Snafu> http://www-124.ibm.com/linux/projects/minilibc/ 10:23 < Snafu> took me almost 2 days to remember where i was that tool ... 10:23 -!- wfs [~dfhg@219.65.81.73] has joined #ltsp 10:23 < Snafu> now i cant remember who was needing it .. 10:24 < Snafu> its a kick ass killer tool for making crap fit on a boot floppy 10:24 < Snafu> will wack down a clib for ya that only contains what you apps needs ... 10:25 < jjjj> lol 10:26 < wfs> after login and clicking nay icon my client get restat what is problem 10:26 < jjjj> um that is broad 10:26 < Snafu> http://radio.weblogs.com/0120124/ groklaw is a riot today 10:28 < Snafu> i donno about these new geek girlz ... i bet that chick has a bigger pocket protector than i do ... and more pencils 10:29 < jjjj> where do i find them 10:30 < wfs> after login and clicking nay icon my client get restat what is problem 10:30 < wfs> after login and clicking nay icon my client get restat what is problem 10:31 < Snafu> they are out there ,,, and the one before Denise the author of groklaw .. was another that made vogon poetry over mathamatics that would cause my hair to fall out .. im sure she is nice ,,, but my manhood shrunk ... 10:32 -!- ShayneOSU [~Useless_K@oh-ironton-u1-c511b-69.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ltsp 10:32 -!- lanius [heino@p508E379C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:33 -!- lanius [heino@p508E379C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 10:33 < Snafu> i bet she won the "dumbest date" award at all the mensa parties . 10:34 < jjjj> lol 10:36 < Snafu> face it ... for us geeks our "thingy" is the figurative radi of our craniums .... a girl that has a bigger one than you .. is a bit getting used to ... 10:36 -!- wfs [~dfhg@219.65.81.73] has left #ltsp [] 10:36 < jjjj> true 10:37 < jjjj> i just need to find one that accepts my geekiness 10:37 < Snafu> you agreed with me ? heh how pathetic 10:37 < Snafu> hehehehe 10:38 < Snafu> welp actually not as rough as it was ... even in the downturn we are still the ones with earning potential 10:39 < Snafu> geek is chic these days ... remember during dot.boom all the left coast stories about the leggy gold diggers teaching their ferrari driving geeks "social skills" muahhhah 10:39 < jjjj> lol 10:40 < paperclip> h00kerz 10:40 < Snafu> hookins bettah than just lookin ... 10:41 < Snafu> just dont give her the damn plastic cards with your name on them .. 10:41 < msinhore> Snafu: I modified the expots and on the clients response: 10:42 < Snafu> for lots of them i bet they had in their ira the sum spent on a single party 10:42 < msinhore> Loading 192.168.30.1:/lts/vmlinuz 10:42 < Snafu> i bet they wish they had ... 10:42 < msinhore> 10:42 < msinhore> 10:42 < msinhore> 10:43 < Snafu> msinhore so compile up yourself a copy of iptraf while your busy so ya can see your network .. 10:44 -!- lupo__ [~lupo@p5085F2B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 10:44 < Snafu> a tool that should come with linux by now .. o well 10:44 < jjjj> hehe 10:44 < jjjj> ya 10:44 < paperclip> heh.. 10:44 < msinhore> none on the eth1 10:44 < jjjj> most other *nixes have a ip traffice monitors 10:45 < jjjj> bsd, soloris... 10:45 * paperclip takes notes... plastic breasts.. ok .. plastic cards.. no 10:45 < jjjj> lol 10:45 < Snafu> ya but iptraf is a really nice one .. lists udp and such nice etc 10:45 < Snafu> easy as hell to read .. 10:46 < Snafu> and it runs in a tty ... dealing with gui ptoowie sux shit for fast happening stuff 10:46 < msinhore> UDP (76 bytes) from 192.168.30.148:2010 to 192.168.30.1:69 eth1 10:47 < Snafu> Rx:~# grep tft /etc/services 10:47 < Snafu> tftp 69/tcp #Trivial File Transfer 10:47 < Snafu> tftp 69/udp #Trivial File Transfer 10:48 < Snafu> so the cleint is attempting .. but the server is hogtied perhaps in a dns lookup timout 10:48 < msinhore> tftp 69/tcp 10:48 < msinhore> tftp 69/udp 10:48 < msinhore> ok 10:48 < Snafu> also it might have been dropped by the tcp wrapper 10:49 < Snafu> is hosts.deny empty ? if it isnt comment it out for now 10:49 < Snafu> you can add back the ALL: ALL later 10:49 < msinhore> on the hosts.deny not found never entry 10:50 < Snafu> also ya should tail your logfiles ... 10:50 < Snafu> /var/log/ debug syslog messages see if you have a bitch report there 10:51 < msinhore> on the messages return: 10:51 < msinhore> Aug 6 12:42:42 node02 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.30.148 (192.168.30.1) from 00:02:e3:0e:e8:5d via eth1 10:51 < msinhore> Aug 6 12:42:42 node02 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.30.148 to 00:02:e3:0e:e8:5d via eth1 10:51 < msinhore> Aug 6 12:51:18 node02 kernel: eth0: Promiscuous mode enabled. 10:51 < msinhore> Aug 6 12:51:18 node02 kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode 10:51 < msinhore> Aug 6 12:51:22 node02 kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode 10:51 < msinhore> Aug 6 12:51:24 node02 kernel: eth0: Promiscuous mode enabled. 10:51 < msinhore> Aug 6 12:51:24 node02 kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode 10:51 < msinhore> Aug 6 12:51:24 node02 kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode 10:52 < Snafu> Promis is you starting iptraf 10:52 < Snafu> you can grep -sir tftp /var/log/* see if any mention is there 10:53 < msinhore> /var/log/secure:Aug 6 08:50:32 node02 xinetd[2283]: START: tftp pid=2654 from=192.168.20.113 10:53 < msinhore> /var/log/secure:Aug 6 09:12:53 node02 xinetd[2355]: START: tftp pid=3892 from=192.168.20.139 10:53 < msinhore> /var/log/secure:Aug 6 10:16:08 node02 xinetd[2355]: START: tftp pid=5490 from=192.168.20.137 10:53 < msinhore> /var/log/secure:Aug 6 11:20:20 node02 xinetd[2892]: START: tftp pid=3123 from=192.168.30.149 10:53 < msinhore> /var/log/secure:Aug 6 11:25:13 node02 xinetd[3245]: START: tftp pid=3257 from=192.168.30.148 10:53 < msinhore> /var/log/secure:Aug 6 11:31:53 node02 xinetd[3318]: START: tftp pid=3321 from=192.168.30.148 10:54 < msinhore> the tftp is start for all network 10:54 < Snafu> look at the times ... nothing close to the time of the dhcp event 10:55 < msinhore> I discovered my problem 10:55 < Snafu> ok so its possible its a dns lookup hang and the client gives up before the timeout falls thru 10:55 < Snafu> yeah ? 10:55 < msinhore> my problem is on the lts.conf 10:55 < jjjj> why iis tftp showing up in the secure log 10:56 < jjjj> doh 10:56 < msinhore> the tftp is ok 10:56 < Snafu> well if your a sadistic evel bastard .. dont tell us .. make us wonder 10:56 < jjjj> hehe 10:56 < jjjj> ya 10:56 < msinhore> sorry snafu 10:57 < Snafu> sorry bout what .. im curios what in lts.conf could leave a hung screen at the kernel xfer message 10:57 < msinhore> the problem exist for search the solution and I not was born knowing of everything :p 11:00 * Snafu knows everything ... when he learns something new .. its because god only recently invented it ... 11:00 < Snafu> so what kind of lts.conf boob makes it look like a hung kernel tftp ... 11:02 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:03 < Snafu> what was that movie "Real Genius" ? where Val Kimmer was actually funny .. anyhow ... From God to Professor to you .. to the cleaners 11:03 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:03 < Snafu> MetaCosm man is he vain or what ... 11:05 < Snafu> Microcosm small enviroment Macrocosm Large enviroment ... Meta-Cosm ? Is the enviroment ... 11:07 < jjjj> lol 11:11 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 11:11 -!- ShayneOSU [~Useless_K@oh-ironton-u1-c511b-69.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:12 < Snafu> " your in orbit around a muclius of an atom of randomly fusing deturium making up the water in the puss in a pimple on my ass " 11:13 < jjjj> um that was RANDOM 11:18 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["now going out ..."] 11:20 -!- guugmember [~nramos@remote206-211.gua.net] has joined #ltsp 11:21 < guugmember> I have the following line in /var/log/messages: "cannot convert internet address 192.168.0.30 to host" what can it be? 11:22 < msinhore> Snafu: I change the entry of my lts.conf: 11:22 < msinhore> [Default] 11:22 < msinhore> SERVER = 192.168.20.103 11:22 < msinhore> ... 11:22 < msinhore> [ws-111] 11:22 < msinhore> SERVER = 192.168.30.1 11:22 < msinhore> ... 11:22 < jjjj> haha 11:22 < msinhore> the fist entry server is the IP adrress of eth0 and 2nd is the eth1 11:22 < msinhore> the kernel start from network on eth0 and no start from eth1 11:23 < msinhore> the dhcp server is ok 11:23 < jjjj> ya msinhore that would do it 11:23 < jjjj> good job at getting that working though 11:23 -!- oktay [~foo@su-nat.datapipe.net] has joined #ltsp 11:23 < oktay> hey guys.. anybody from the miami. FL area? 11:24 < jjjj> nope 11:25 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@AP-202-70-106-57.compass.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:25 < oktay> heh 11:25 < morfic-> did i spam y'all with my script yesterday? many improvements done since ;) 11:26 < oktay> ok. is there a map site that gives distances btw airports? 11:26 < msinhore> jjjj: which can be the problem? 11:26 < jjjj> what is the problem now 11:27 < msinhore> the kernel not runnind on the eth1 and running on the eth0 11:27 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 11:27 < msinhore> on the clients ltsp 11:28 < jjjj> you have all the lts.conf setup to reflect both ips everywhere 11:28 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:28 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has joined #ltsp 11:28 < prpplague> jammcq_lwce: ping 11:29 < prpplague> jammcq_lwce: when you get a chance, please ask ron to resend his contact info 11:29 < prpplague> jammcq_lwce: the folks in honduras need it again 11:30 < msinhore> I need insert all IP of the server (eth0 and eth1) on all entrys? 11:31 < jjjj> um 11:31 < jjjj> not sure, i havent played with multiple server setups 11:32 < jjjj> which is essentially what you are doing 11:32 < jjjj> at least network wise 11:34 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-142-4.biz.rr.com] has joined #LTSP 11:38 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:38 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:39 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:41 < msinhore> jjjj: no booting the workstations on lan from eth1 11:41 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:42 < jjjj> are there linux machines on eth1 network 11:44 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:44 < msinhore> not there, only clients diskless 11:45 < jjjj> hrm 11:46 < oktay> :) 11:47 -!- oktay [~foo@su-nat.datapipe.net] has left #ltsp [] 11:47 < msinhore> jjjj: on the clients diskless return the message: 11:48 < msinhore> loading 192.168.30.1:/lts/kernel 11:48 < msinhore> 11:48 < msinhore> 11:48 < msinhore> ... 11:48 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:48 < jjjj> hrm 11:48 < jjjj> so it doesnt actually load the kernel 11:51 < msinhore> yes 11:52 < jjjj> hrm 11:53 < jjjj> is the machine identical to the one working on the other network 11:53 < msinhore> it could be some problem with reference to tftp server? 11:54 < msinhore> the client diskless? 11:54 < jjjj> hrm 11:54 < jjjj> i wonder if the tftp server is working right on both networks 11:56 < msinhore> my IP on the eth0 is 192.168.20.103 11:56 < msinhore> on the eth1 is 192.168.30.1 11:56 < msinhore> my hosts.allow is: 11:57 < msinhore> bootpd: 0.0.0.0 11:57 < msinhore> in.tftpd: 192.168. 11:57 < msinhore> portmap: 192.168. 11:57 < jjjj> hrm 11:58 < msinhore> the logial is correct 11:58 < jjjj> but the initial phase of the booting works on both networks right 11:58 < msinhore> the iptables is disable 11:59 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 11:59 < jjjj> let me see how you dhcpd.conf is now 12:01 < msinhore> default-lease-time 21600; 12:01 < msinhore> max-lease-time 21600; 12:01 < msinhore> ddns-update-style none; 12:01 < msinhore> allow booting; 12:01 < msinhore> allow bootp; 12:01 < msinhore> option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; 12:01 < msinhore> option option-128 code 128 = string; 12:01 < msinhore> option option-129 code 129 = text; 12:01 < msinhore> 12:01 < msinhore> shared-network WORKSTATIONS { 12:01 < msinhore> subnet 192.168.20.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { 12:01 < msinhore> option broadcast-address 192.168.20.255; 12:01 < msinhore> option routers 192.168.20.100; 12:02 < msinhore> option domain-name-servers 10.21.252.101; 12:02 < msinhore> option domain-name "intranet.net"; 12:02 < msinhore> option root-path "192.168.20.103:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 12:02 < msinhore> range dynamic-bootp 192.168.20.131 192.168.20.149; 12:02 < msinhore> use-host-decl-names on; 12:02 < msinhore> option log-servers 192.168.20.103; 12:02 < msinhore> # trick from Peter Rundle 12:02 < msinhore> if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" 12:02 < msinhore> { 12:02 < msinhore> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; 12:02 < msinhore> # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ 12:02 < msinhore> } 12:02 < msinhore> else 12:02 < msinhore> { 12:02 < msinhore> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1"; 12:02 < msinhore> } 12:02 < msinhore> } 12:02 < msinhore> subnet 192.168.30.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { 12:02 < msinhore> option broadcast-address 192.168.30.255; 12:02 < msinhore> option routers 192.168.30.1; 12:02 < msinhore> option domain-name "intranet2.net"; 12:02 < msinhore> option root-path "192.168.30.1:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 12:02 < msinhore> range dynamic-bootp 192.168.30.111 192.168.30.119; 12:02 < msinhore> use-host-decl-names on; 12:02 < msinhore> option log-servers 192.168.30.1; 12:02 < msinhore> # trick from Peter Rundle 12:02 < msinhore> if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" 12:02 < msinhore> { 12:03 < msinhore> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; 12:03 < msinhore> # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ 12:03 < msinhore> } 12:03 < msinhore> else 12:03 < msinhore> { 12:03 < msinhore> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1"; 12:03 < msinhore> } 12:03 < msinhore> } 12:03 < msinhore> } 12:03 < jjjj> take out the shared-netowrk at the top 12:04 < jjjj> (and the {} set for it) 12:05 < msinhore> the service no running 12:06 < jjjj> ? 12:07 < msinhore> the dhcpd no start with these alterations 12:07 < jjjj> the whole line that reads: shared-network WORKSTATIONS { 12:07 < jjjj> come out 12:07 < jjjj> and the last } at the bottom of the file 12:09 < msinhore> I made this and dhcpd not start 12:10 < jjjj> what does it say 12:11 < msinhore> ------------------------------------------------------ 12:11 < msinhore> Copyright 1995-2001 Internet Software Consortium. 12:11 < msinhore> All rights reserved. 12:11 < msinhore> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP 12:11 < msinhore> Wrote 20 leases to leases file. 12:11 < msinhore> Interface eth0 matches multiple shared networks 12:11 < msinhore> 12:11 < msinhore> If you did not get this software from ftp.isc.org, please 12:12 < msinhore> get the latest from ftp.isc.org and install that before 12:12 < msinhore> requesting help. 12:12 < msinhore> 12:12 < msinhore> If you did get this software from ftp.isc.org and have not 12:12 < msinhore> yet read the README, please read it before requesting help. 12:12 < msinhore> If you intend to request help from the dhcp-server@isc.org 12:12 < jjjj> back to that error 12:12 < msinhore> mailing list, please read the section on the README about 12:12 < msinhore> submitting bug reports and requests for help. 12:12 < msinhore> 12:12 < msinhore> Please do not under any circumstances send requests for 12:12 < msinhore> help directly to the authors of this software - please 12:12 < msinhore> send them to the appropriate mailing list as described in 12:12 < msinhore> the README file. 12:12 < msinhore> 12:12 < msinhore> exiting. 12:12 < jjjj> hrm 12:13 < msinhore> I must return the old configuration? 12:13 < jjjj> you did take out the } at the end right 12:14 < msinhore> yes 12:14 < msinhore> I did 12:15 < msinhore> take out 12:17 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 12:17 < msinhore> and if I alter the osts.allow for in.tftpd: 0.0.0.0 12:18 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 12:18 < jjjj> i think you are stil having trouble because of you dhcpd.conf 12:20 < msinhore> I go to modify hosts.allow and to test with the previous configuration of dhcpd.conf 12:21 < jjjj> that should make a differnce on wether dhcpd 12:21 < jjjj> starts 12:24 < msinhore> my test did not function. 12:27 < msinhore> but the dhcpd is running on the broadcast of 2 networks. 12:28 < msinhore> it is not possible that a solution for this does not exist. 12:29 < jjjj> do you have the shared network line in now 12:32 < msinhore> yes 12:32 < msinhore> shared from internet? 12:32 -!- lanius [heino@p508E379C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta3 "CVS""] 12:35 < msinhore> jjjj: so that the shared network? 12:37 < msinhore> jjjj: you are? 12:37 < jjjj> yes 12:42 -!- morfic- [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:42 -!- morfic- [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 12:46 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: no_paste, manimay__, Vee2d2, pattieja, robbie, lupo__, jammcq_lwce, t0m, guugmember, ccjoe, (+25 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 12:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: morfic-, MetaCosm, oh207, guugmember, lupo__, SmilieZ, jond3rd, robbie, jjjj, msinhore (+25 more) 12:55 -!- guest [~guest@lw-15-55.sf.shownets.net] has joined #ltsp 12:56 -!- guest [~guest@lw-15-55.sf.shownets.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:58 -!- bails [~bails@modem-110.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 12:59 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 13:00 -!- seshu [~seshu@h0030bd1e9b96.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 13:01 -!- seshu [~seshu@h0030bd1e9b96.ne.client2.attbi.com] has left #ltsp [] 13:13 -!- bails [~bails@modem-110.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 13:20 -!- guugmember [~nramos@remote206-211.gua.net] has left #ltsp ["Aplicación Saliendo"] 13:33 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: robbie 13:36 < msinhore> hi all 13:36 -!- AndyPZS [~root@200.69.20.35] has joined #ltsp 13:37 < msinhore> I need a help for start dhcpd on 2 NICs 13:37 < AndyPZS> hello everybody 13:37 < AndyPZS> hello arkadi 13:37 < msinhore> I read the /var/log/messages and returned: 13:37 < msinhore> Aug 6 15:38:29 node02 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:02:e3:0e:e8:5d via eth1 13:37 < msinhore> Aug 6 15:38:30 node02 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.30.118 to 00:02:e3:0e:e8:5d via eth1 13:37 < msinhore> Aug 6 15:38:30 node02 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.30.118 (192.168.30.1) from 00:02:e3:0e:e8:5d via eth1 13:37 < msinhore> Aug 6 15:38:30 node02 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.30.118 to 00:02:e3:0e:e8:5d via eth1 13:38 < msinhore> on the workstation return: 13:39 < msinhore> Loading 192.168.30.1:/lts/vmlinuz 13:39 < msinhore> 13:39 < msinhore> 13:39 < msinhore> 13:39 < msinhore> ... 13:39 < msinhore> Unable to load file 13:39 < msinhore> 13:39 < msinhore> 13:39 < msinhore> ... 13:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: robbie 14:01 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:02 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 14:02 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:03 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 14:17 < MetaCosm> any libranet fans here? 14:23 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: no_paste, manimay__, Vee2d2, pattieja, robbie, lupo__, jammcq_lwce, t0m, ccjoe, TrAnCeFX, (+26 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 14:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pattieja, no_paste, Snafu, signal11, jahroots, remote, Mundy_, arc_, Vee2d2, morfic- (+26 more) 14:42 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-172-168.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 14:50 < arkadi> hello AndyPZS 14:51 * arkadi back from the sea beach 14:51 < paperclip> as opposed to the lake beach? 14:52 < arkadi> we have lake beach too.. 14:53 < AndyPZS> arkadi : my brother gave me a diskless ibm 8361 with a powerpc 14:53 < jjjj> i think beach infers ocean though 14:55 < AndyPZS> arkadi : do u know about these stations¿ 14:55 < arkadi> AndyPZS: no 14:55 < AndyPZS> arkadi : me too. 14:56 < AndyPZS> arkadi : i think it will be easier than sparc 14:57 < jjjj> but sparcs are fun 14:57 < AndyPZS> jjjj : think so? i will tell u when i make it boot.. 14:58 < jjjj> boot net :) 14:58 < paperclip> jjjj: but what about the river beach ? =) 14:58 < jjjj> not sure 14:58 -!- beansb [~josh@66-231-199-141.oxfordnetworks.net] has joined #ltsp 14:59 < AndyPZS> jjjj : ja. yep. im working with all server services. have u ever done that? 14:59 < jjjj> beach works for any body of water 14:59 < jjjj> which services 14:59 < jjjj> is the server a sparc 14:59 < AndyPZS> jjjj : rarp, bootp, etc. 14:59 < AndyPZS> jjjj : nop, x86 15:00 < jjjj> linux? 15:00 < AndyPZS> jjjj : yep. 15:00 < jjjj> what model of sparc it is 15:00 < jjjj> er is it 15:00 < AndyPZS> jjjj : sparc X terminal 1 - sun4m arquitecture 15:01 < arkadi> http://www2.sis.pitt.edu/~digernes/linux/netstation.html ? 15:01 < jjjj> i have gotten sparcs and pcs to play with each other before but not for ltsp 15:03 < arkadi> i hope it has ethernet, not token-ring as google points out there is models with it 15:03 < AndyPZS> arkadi : u're right 15:04 < AndyPZS> it has ethernet 15:04 < AndyPZS> and a bootprom hopefully 15:04 < AndyPZS> it also has a pcmcia port 15:05 < jjjj> token ring, thats useful really 15:05 < jjjj> NOT 15:05 -!- Muir [1000@cpe-66-1-31-131.az.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ltsp 15:06 -!- ircleuser [~newbie@cc341200-a.assen1.dr.home.nl] has joined #ltsp 15:06 < Muir> How can you program your thin client to do the boot strap thing, if you use an on-board NIC? 15:07 < Muir> in other words, how can you program the motehrboard to snag an IP address form the dhcp server and then download the kernel image vie tftp ? 15:08 < jjjj> http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/pxe.howto.html 15:08 < ircleuser> Muir. Must builtin nics can boot with pxe. That's an option in the bios settings. If your builtin nics support pxe there is nothing more to do except installing the pxestuff.tgz file on your server. 15:12 < ircleuser> I have a strange problem. I have ltsp running on a pc but i want to install it on another. Everthing has gone ok but at the end I can't start the dhcp-server."Can't bind to dhcp address: Address already in use" I'm sure I have no other dhcp server running. Thhe other box works still ok. I used the same .conf files but it doesn't work. Any suggestions? 15:12 < arkadi> if the card doesn't support pxe, but supported by etherboot, you can read your bios, unpack it, add etherboot, pack, and reflash. 15:12 < arkadi> netstat? 15:13 < jjjj> that doesnt fit into the current conversations 15:13 < Muir> arkadi: Im not familiar with bios stuff.......what tools would I need to read, unpack add things, and reflash a bios? Is there any hardware I would need to buy? 15:14 < arkadi> jjjj: why? 15:14 < jjjj> i guess it could help ircleuser, i hadnt read his whole message 15:16 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 15:16 < arkadi> Muir: first research for PXE - it will really save you time, if not - then google for "cbrom" 15:17 < Muir> ok thank 15:17 < Muir> s 15:17 < arkadi> Muir: hardware - no 15:17 < ircleuser> arkadi: i don't no exactly where i should look for but the output of netstat doesn't looks strange to me. 15:19 < arkadi> "netstat -anep|grep :67" should not produce any output 15:20 < ircleuser> This is the output:udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:* 0 1165 548/pxe 15:21 < arkadi> ircleuser: redhat? 15:21 < arkadi> kill pxe process and take it out of startup 15:22 < ircleuser> Arkadi: Redhat 8.0 15:26 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 15:27 < ircleuser> this will take a while but i try. I come back woth the results 15:33 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-172-168.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:34 < ircleuser> arkadi: I reboot the system after putting pxe out with setup and my dhcpd is up annd running. Thanks a lot, I've spend hours to find a solution. Do I not need pxe to boot from my nic using pxe? 15:34 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, robbie, jhansk01, jond3rd 15:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jhansk01, robbie, SmilieZ, jond3rd 15:34 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.21.33] has joined #ltsp 15:34 < arkadi> no 15:35 < carlos> sup all 15:36 < AndyPZS> has anybody install xine? 15:37 < kungfuftr> mplayer here.. much better 15:37 < arkadi> yee, mplayer rule 15:38 < carlos> mplayer 15:38 < ircleuser> arkadi: at least I learn one thing out of this: don't just look at the config files butalso to the services started at start-up. I almost got mad because it didn't work while I new that it was just a tiny little thing. 15:38 < arkadi> ircleuser: i mean you don't need it (pxe) 15:46 < AndyPZS> it crashes my X when i ran it 15:49 < arkadi> AndyPZS: mplayer -> crash? X server got fatal signal? XVideo output? 15:52 -!- morfic- [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:53 * madctrl is back (gone 07:03:51) 15:57 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:01 -!- jjjj [~chatzilla@216.174.41.86] has quit [] 16:02 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 16:04 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["now going out ..."] 16:11 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:11 < AndyPZS> arkadi : yep. 16:12 < AndyPZS> arkadi : when i ran it, it seems to start great but in a second it broke my X server 16:15 < arkadi> whats about mplayer -vo x11 or -vo sdl? 16:17 < AndyPZS> didnt try that 16:17 < AndyPZS> i will 16:17 < AndyPZS> people 16:17 < AndyPZS> got to go 16:17 < AndyPZS> what time is in ur location arkadi 16:17 < AndyPZS> ? 16:17 < arkadi> Thu Aug 7 00:19:31 EEST 2003 16:18 < AndyPZS> early 16:18 < AndyPZS> Wed Aug 6 18:27:21 UTC 2003 16:19 < AndyPZS> ok 16:19 < AndyPZS> see u around 16:19 < AndyPZS> bye peops 16:19 -!- AndyPZS [~root@200.69.20.35] has quit ["[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Commodore 64 today!"] 16:27 -!- beansb [~josh@66-231-199-141.oxfordnetworks.net] has quit ["Download Gaim [http://gaim.sourceforge.net/]"] 16:36 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:41 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Gone diving in code/network"] 16:44 -!- ircleuser [~newbie@cc341200-a.assen1.dr.home.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:45 -!- e1th0r [~pepe@host-200-75-135-26.net-uno.net] has joined #ltsp 16:45 < e1th0r> hello/hola/bonniut 16:45 < e1th0r> hello/hola/bonnuit 16:59 < carlos> e1th0r buenos dias 17:00 < e1th0r> epale carlos, lograste resolver tu problema? 17:00 < carlos> cual de todos? 17:00 < e1th0r> ;) el del tema de icewm 17:00 < e1th0r> buenos dias? aqui es casi de noche LOL 17:01 < carlos> nel ya iba a compilar el icewm cuando me di cuenta en las definiciones del icewm que hay una variacion icewm-gnome que ya tengo instalada, esa tiene las opciones que ocupo activadas, solo me falta saber como usarlo 8/ 17:02 < carlos> 5:00PM Mexico 17:02 < e1th0r> 06:03 pm Maracay, Venezuela, bueno nosotros aca tenemos un solo uso horario 17:03 < e1th0r> oye, esto esta un poco muerto... 17:03 < carlos> pues hagamos fiesta! 17:03 < e1th0r> seguro, pero aqui no hay chicas para bailar ;) 17:04 < carlos> jejeje 17:04 < e1th0r> a ver... vamos a trata de resolver tu rollo... 17:04 < e1th0r> a ver... vamos a tratar de resolver tu rollo... 17:05 < carlos> encontre un tema que se llama Crux-Teal para ice que hace que se parezca mi icewm al gnome 8/ ...da el gatazo mientras decifro como usar el Silver ;) 17:05 < e1th0r> ayer se me cayo la conexion... y ademas me vinieron a buscar... 17:05 < e1th0r> Ok. 17:06 < e1th0r> viste que LTSP gano un premio como mejor proyecto Open Source del ano? 17:06 < carlos> e1th0r aver como lo vamos a resolver? 17:06 < e1th0r> pues... paso a paso 17:06 < carlos> claro aqui estaba yo cuando lo anuncio jammcq 17:07 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:07 < e1th0r> Segun lo que lei ayer, necesitas bajar varias cosas: los fuentes del tema, algunas fuentes extras, los fuentes de icewm, luego editar algunas lineas, y finalmente recompilando el icewm y finalmente instalandolo. 17:12 < carlos> ya tengo helvetica directo de una guin que aqui tengo 17:13 < e1th0r> ok. pero ademas de eso necesitas instalarsela a linux, ya lo hiciste? es decir esta fuente esta disponible en linux para que la usen algunas aplicaciones? 17:15 -!- erik1 [~zic@cc341200-a.assen1.dr.home.nl] has joined #ltsp 17:16 < erik1> . 17:18 < madctrl> . 17:19 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 17:19 -!- Mundy [~mundy@p63-tnt2.adl.ihug.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:19 < erik1> i was on the channel earlier this evening under the name ircuser and i just want to let my helper know that my ltsp server is up and running. 17:23 < erik1> the clients seem to have some problems starting the x server. it looks like some attemps are needed. is this whow it should be? 17:26 -!- erik1 [~zic@cc341200-a.assen1.dr.home.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:29 < e1th0r> hi 17:29 < e1th0r> what is your problem? 17:30 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 17:31 -!- davus [~davus@ns5xp.newhampton.org] has left #LTSP [] 17:37 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has joined #ltsp 17:38 < msinhore> hello all 17:38 < e1th0r> hello/hola/bonniut 17:38 < msinhore> I have a problem on the ltsp server. 17:39 < e1th0r> ajam? 17:40 < e1th0r> whats kind of problem? 17:40 < msinhore> after 20 connections with gnome it does not effect more login and returns for the authenticação screen. 17:41 < msinhore> authenticação = authentication 17:41 < msinhore> :p 17:41 < jammcq_lwce> hey guys, what's happening ? 17:41 < e1th0r> maybee your server is poor of hardware, maybee tune your lts.conf 17:43 < jammcq_lwce> msinhore: you should stop using GDM, and start using KDM 17:43 < mistik1> hey jammcq_lwce 17:43 < mistik1> can you still talk? ;-) 17:43 < msinhore> jammcq_lwce: how to this 17:43 < msinhore> ? 17:44 < msinhore> which file I must modify? 17:44 -!- e1th0r [~pepe@host-200-75-135-26.net-uno.net] has quit [] 17:45 < jammcq_lwce> msinhore: what distro are you using ? 17:46 < robbie> hi everybody 17:46 < mistik1> hey robbie 17:46 < jammcq_lwce> robbieeeeeeeeeee 17:46 < msinhore> K12ltsp 17:46 < robbie> moo 17:46 < mistik1> robbie: you get the news man 17:46 < mistik1> ? 17:46 < robbie> Linux rotapile.winshop.com.au 2.6.0-test2 #3 SMP 17:46 < robbie> im getting some 2.6 goodness 17:46 < robbie> news ? 17:46 < mistik1> well its in the topic now 17:46 < jammcq_lwce> msinhore: ok, it's easy. in /etc/sysconfig/desktop, add a new line that says: DISPLAYMANAGER=KDM 17:47 < robbie> sweeeeet 17:48 < mistik1> hell yea 17:48 < mistik1> I went to sleep a happy camper last night, I can just imagine the guys on site 17:48 < jammcq_lwce> :) 17:49 < msinhore> the KDM is steady? 17:49 < jammcq_lwce> hey guys, anyone want to load LTSP-4 beta 1 ? 17:49 < robbie> ive done some realy nice rdesktop stuff these last coupl eweeks 17:49 < jammcq_lwce> msinhore: yes, KDM works great 17:49 < mistik1> beta-1 eh? 17:49 < jammcq_lwce> yeah 17:49 < robbie> running localy 17:49 < robbie> jammcq_lwce: as in can we build it ? 17:49 < mistik1> I'd load the sob 17:49 < jammcq_lwce> here's the single command you need to install it: 17:50 < jammcq_lwce> wget -q -O http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp_installer | sh 17:50 < robbie> hahahahahhahahaha 17:50 < jammcq_lwce> run that, and watch it go 17:50 < jammcq_lwce> binary packages 17:50 < mistik1> bwahahaha 17:50 < robbie> you been talking to the Ximian guys ? 17:50 < jammcq_lwce> it's about 55mb of downloading, so I hope you've got bandwidth 17:50 < jammcq_lwce> robbie: yep, stole the idea from xd2 17:50 < robbie> i have capacity, i dont have bandwidth :) 17:51 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:51 < jammcq_lwce> hey morfic 17:51 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: you sure about that command? 17:52 < morfic> hey jammcq_lwce 17:52 < morfic> are you on a ce device? 17:52 < msinhore> jammcq_lwce: and the line 'DESKTOP="GNOME"', comment? 17:52 < jammcq_lwce> morfic: nope, I'm at LinuxWorld Conference and Expo 17:52 < morfic> anyone but mystique2 i would tell not to question the man 17:52 < jammcq_lwce> mistik1: which command ? 17:52 < robbie> jammcq_lwce: so if i update latest cvs i should be alright ti build and get similar to you ? 17:52 < jammcq_lwce> msinhore; leave that line there 17:52 < morfic> i knoew LW, didnt know the CE 17:52 < mistik1> my wget dont like that 17:52 < jammcq_lwce> msinhore; just add a new line 17:52 < robbie> be faster than downloading 55Mb on dialup :) 17:52 < jammcq_lwce> mistik1: drop the '-q' and see what it says 17:53 < jammcq_lwce> oops 17:53 < jammcq_lwce> hang on, there is a bit more to it 17:53 < jammcq_lwce> wget -q -O - http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp_installer | sh 17:53 < jammcq_lwce> I missed the '-' 17:53 < robbie> ltsptree-0.03.tar.bz2 ???? 17:53 < jammcq_lwce> huh ? 17:54 < robbie> im building 17:54 < jammcq_lwce> ah 17:54 < robbie> faster than downloading :P 17:54 < jammcq_lwce> robbie: from cvs ? 17:54 < morfic> how is ltsp doing? 17:54 < robbie> ya 17:54 < morfic> is it poka-yoke yet? 17:54 < mistik1> hey jammcq_lwce when can we and who will get cvs access? 17:55 < jammcq_lwce> mistik1: cvs checkout or commit ? 17:55 < mistik1> commit 17:55 < jammcq_lwce> i'll give commit to a select few. luckily, you qualify :) 17:55 * robbie realy should have another crach at ldap authentication 17:55 < robbie> crack 17:55 < mistik1> hehe 17:56 < robbie> jammcq_lwce: hey how about an option to chroot in the lbe so people can manualy build extra stuff 17:56 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: now that its on cvs we can go ahead and maintain an unstable version 17:56 < mistik1> once there is a release that is 17:56 < robbie> like debian :P 17:56 < jammcq_lwce> robbie: yeah, we still need some tools for that 17:57 < robbie> so has the crosscompiler sorted many problems, or did you end up dropping it ? 17:57 < mistik1> I think it will be much easier in ltsp4 than 3 17:57 < mistik1> the x compiler rocks 17:57 < jammcq_lwce> robbie: still using the cross-compiler. that's the only way we could get what we wanted 17:57 < robbie> hehe x86 crosscompiler for x86 :) 17:58 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: I got cups fully working 17:58 < jammcq_lwce> wooohooooo 17:58 < mistik1> I still need to track down those odd build stuff but we have LBE built binaries and libs 17:58 < mistik1> what i did was make /etc/cups -> /tmp/cups 17:59 < mistik1> the lppasswd stoped thinking it was a ro filesystem and behaved 17:59 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip37-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 17:59 < mistik1> there are quite a few things we need to discuss after the LWCE though so we can come to a final on how exactly we want to use it 18:00 < jammcq_lwce> mistik1: sure 18:00 < mistik1> one thing I think we may need to do it open another NFS mountpoint 18:00 < mistik1> *may* 18:00 < robbie> just reuse swapfile mountpoint 18:00 < robbie> i use it for stuff 18:00 < mistik1> robbie: I know that's exactly why I said may 18:00 < robbie> hehe, i use it to backup harddrives after booting into ltsp runlevel3 :) 18:00 < jammcq_lwce> mistik1: what do we need to write ? 18:01 < robbie> should make a LTSP disaster recovery kit :) 18:01 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: remember that cups does the spooling locally so /tmp/var/spool/cups could over load our ramdisk 18:01 < jammcq_lwce> ah, that's what I figured 18:02 < jammcq_lwce> the problem with that is, the data makes 3 passes across the network 18:02 < morfic> jammcq_lwce: let me ask again, is ltsp idiot proof yet? 18:02 < mistik1> morfic: no such thing 18:02 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: yes, noted 18:02 < jammcq_lwce> morfic: hmm, the problem with trying to make something idiot proof, is that once you think you got it, nature produces a better idiot 18:02 < morfic> hm but im supposed to poka-yoke my processes at work! 18:03 < morfic> yes we have been having lean manufacturing classes with lots of buzzwords 18:06 < Snafu> or more to the point the less brains your product needs .. the more lesser brained will be invited to use it .. 18:06 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: running the installer now 18:06 < mistik1> just to try it out ;-) 18:06 < morfic> we could all act dumb and assist in idiot profing though 18:07 < morfic> 42 people should manage to come up with enough stuff to make one really big iodiot? 18:07 < mistik1> morfic: I would rather just contribute good ideas 18:07 < morfic> of course 18:07 < morfic> i mean as user 18:07 < morfic> not as contributer 18:07 * morfic ponders using a after each line from now on 18:08 < mistik1> I donno as a ltsp user I donno if I can dummify myself much ;) 18:08 < Snafu> still commendable while disless terminals have been around almost as long as since X11 was invented setting them up has never been so easy ... and this is with infinate variable PC's not propreatary all-the-same hardware ... 18:08 < Snafu> thats a feat lemme tell ya 18:09 < robbie> yes, on the subject of idiots, their numbers swell to fill the vacuum provided by idiotproofing 18:09 < jammcq_lwce> we had a press conference this morning 18:09 < morfic> now i remeber who snafu is, mr million opinions 18:09 < mistik1> woo 18:09 < morfic> i coudnt remember 18:09 < robbie> ooh 18:09 < jammcq_lwce> it was really cool. Jim Gettys was on hand to offer his comments about how important he thinks LTSP is 18:09 < Snafu> how can you not be a chearleader over this stuff .. 18:09 < robbie> ooga wooga 18:09 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: install done ;-) 18:09 < robbie> jammcq_lwce: were you at a table facing them all? 18:10 < mistik1> aroogha! 18:10 < jammcq_lwce> do you have any idea how long we've been working on cultivating a relationship with Gettys ? 18:10 < robbie> who is he ? 18:10 < morfic> i should log you all for my wife right now 18:10 < jammcq_lwce> robbie: yep. Jim Gettys and Robert Sheifler are the "INVENTORS" of a little project back in the 1980's called the "X Window System" 18:10 < Snafu> he a potential sugar daddy ? 18:10 < robbie> ahh 18:10 < Snafu> ohh heh nyuk nyuk 18:11 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: I always thought that funny 18:11 < mistik1> Mr Gettys invents X 18:12 < jammcq_lwce> yeah, kind of funny 18:12 < mistik1> I guess he got tired of all them getty's, eh? 18:13 < Snafu> Jamm welp you have earned the coinage defined in Eric Homesteading paper .. so it follows . congrats on your graduation from "script kiddie" to geek rock star .... 18:13 < robbie> jammcq_lwce: hey hows he feel about the Xfree fork ? 18:13 < jammcq_lwce> :) 18:13 < jammcq_lwce> robbie: he's on the Keith Packard side of that split 18:13 < robbie> cool 18:13 < jammcq_lwce> Keith and Jim G. are best buddies 18:13 < robbie> cause i think X as it stands sucks in its own particular way 18:14 < Snafu> Robbie ... it does ... intentionaly for many of them .. 18:14 < jammcq_lwce> check this idea out. I was at Ottawa Linux Symposium, and I spent some time with Keith. he's planning on adding an extension to X for doing ssh automatically 18:15 * morfic cant wait to peek at his results once he is done benchmarking ext2 ext3 reiserfs xfs jfs 18:15 < mistik1> whoa 18:15 < Snafu> Robbie think abouty all the overhead gone and speed that would come if X11 wasnt network tranparent .. but do you want to give that up ? 18:15 < jammcq_lwce> Keith and Jim have spent considerable time benchmarking various types of applications running X over SSH and are very happy with the results 18:15 < morfic> Snafu: have it as option? 18:15 < robbie> zactly 18:15 < jammcq_lwce> so, the plan is to replace xdmcp with an authenticated/compressed X over SSH login 18:16 < mistik1> wow 18:16 < mistik1> there could be something in that! 18:16 < jammcq_lwce> Keith is all geeked up about it. It's kinda fun, cuz the idea first came up at O'Reilly when eHarrison, Jim G. Keith and myself were sitting around a table discussing issues that we face 18:16 < Snafu> Morph like make it a band aid ? the fact that its core to its design is why it works so well .. if it was optional you are sucked into something like vnc or rdesktop .. 18:17 < morfic> whatever happend to this vnc integration to x type thing deal someone talked about in here long time back 18:17 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: maybe this would serve to cut out some of the noise of xdmcp 18:17 < Snafu> Jamm yes high open ports that sit above most firewalls is bad enough ... 18:17 < jammcq_lwce> mistik1: zackly 18:18 < morfic> i wish my wife's company was doing better, so i could do another ltsp install 18:18 < jammcq_lwce> mistik1: and, it will provide a secure login 18:18 < mistik1> from the gate yes 18:18 < jammcq_lwce> morfic: we've missed you buddy 18:18 < Snafu> Morph its called xOrbserver or something like that 18:18 < morfic> right now its questionable if the property is even gonna stay or is gonna be sold 18:18 < mistik1> Snafu correct 18:18 < morfic> jammcq_lwce: thanks 18:18 < jammcq_lwce> mistik1: they way gettys and keith are approaching it is from the compression perspective. Then, they get encryption as an added bonus 18:19 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: I wish I had timed that install 18:19 < jammcq_lwce> mistik1: you downloaded and installed it that quickly ? 18:19 < mistik1> yes 18:19 < jammcq_lwce> sweet 18:19 < morfic> mistik1: i often run things twice case i forgot to add 'time' 18:19 < jammcq_lwce> how do you like my new installer ? 18:19 < robbie> you guys used the X proxy stuff ? 18:19 < mistik1> jammcq_lwce: morfic will be happy ;-) 18:19 < morfic> mistik1: whats your hardware like that it was done that quickly 18:20 < mistik1> only a little Athlon650 man 18:20 < mistik1> my connection is the key 18:20 < Snafu> Morph what they are talking about is interesting .. X11 isnt about exporting desktops .. every x app is netwerk transparent in itself with no help ... the desktop while having some status reserved to it is just another x program 18:20 < robbie> can actualy use X over a dialup link 18:20 < jammcq_lwce> it's not so much the hardware. it's the bandwidth 18:20 < morfic> the easier ltsp installs the more time can be spent on age old monitors and gfx cards 18:20 < mistik1> I was getting 376Kb/s 18:20 < morfic> i can get 240K/s max if i have a good route 18:20 < Snafu> if an xserver could init a sshd tunneled connection without help .. or co-opt the code that would be neat .. 18:20 < jammcq_lwce> morfic: hey, you wanna try installing LTSP-4 ? 18:21 < morfic> so there wasnt compiling involved then? 18:21 < mistik1> I get up to 600Kb/s from gnu.org 18:21 < mistik1> that is one hella fast site 18:21 < morfic> distro matter? 18:21 < mistik1> no 18:21 < morfic> sure then 18:21 < morfic> not right now 18:21 < mistik1> LTSP4 is/will not be distro specific as before 18:22 < mistik1> the LBE idea is awesome 18:22 < jammcq_lwce> you can install it to a different directory, and keep both ltsp-3 and ltsp-4 at the same time 18:22 < mistik1> yep 18:22 < morfic> im running some half assed bonnie benchmarks for the filesystems i reckon xchat wont tax it too much the two top contenters i rebench with larger -s and nothing running but a console 18:22 < jammcq_lwce> here's the command: wget -q -O - http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp_installer | sh 18:22 < morfic> i dont have ltsp3 here 18:22 < Snafu> ya .. thats a fistfull of macho cheif feathers to have the X11 gods wanting your ear .. you earned it tho .. 18:22 < morfic> thats near idiot proof ;P 18:23 < mistik1> morfic: run it and you will be more amazed 18:23 < jammcq_lwce> Snafu: thanks 18:23 < mistik1> answer 4 questions 18:23 < morfic> i need a bench to finish 18:23 < madctrl> i'm downloading.. it will take some time, can only get 40K/s here.. 18:23 < morfic> almost done with reiserfs 18:23 < morfic> unless the benches change ill switch from reiserfs to XFS 18:24 < robbie> i realy think one thing X could have always done with was a native widget set 18:24 * morfic dropped some salsa verde over his F6 key 18:24 < robbie> theres too many options these day 18:24 < robbie> its like trying to buy coffee 18:25 < Snafu> look at ext3 too ... it has it nice points ... 18:25 < Snafu> Morf am intersted in how easy to live with reiserfs was tho .. 18:25 < mistik1> I dont care what anyone says the only one of the journaling fs that has yet to let me down is ext3 18:26 < mistik1> all the others have puked on me for some reason or the other 18:26 < Snafu> what happened was it when it was early and buggy ? 18:26 < Snafu> ohh 18:26 < mistik1> ext3 is rock solid for me 18:27 < Snafu> heh ok ya i went with ext3 cause the ext2 it is layered on has so much bugfix time vested in it ... 18:27 < mistik1> the only problem I had with it was quota support or the lack thereof 18:27 < Snafu> i i thought it should be safer ,, and even then i waited a year .. 18:27 < mistik1> me too 18:27 < mistik1> I love the backward compatability 18:28 < jammcq_lwce> I gotta run. I've got to give a talk in 15mins, and I better make sure my setup is all set 18:28 < robbie> i'll be doing lots of xfs when 2.6 comes out 18:28 -!- manimay__ [~manimay@pD9E63E41.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:28 < Snafu> Jam ... save some of the panties they throw at ya ... ya never know ... ya might need to wipe the dipstick 18:29 < robbie> haha 18:29 < mistik1> lol 18:29 < robbie> eww, stinky geek panties 18:29 < robbie> with skidmarks 18:29 < mistik1> geek chick sit too much 18:29 < mistik1> too many skid marks 18:30 * robbie farts 18:30 * mistik1 opens the window 18:30 * robbie fills the void 18:31 < Snafu> heh by the time my dates has simmered thru dinner thinking of what comming later ... i bet you would not know the difference ... 18:31 -!- madctrl [~madctrl@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:32 < Snafu> the smart ones would at least slip the napkin under the skirt to prevent spotthru .. 18:32 < robbie> burnig cd's in 2.6 is the shit 18:32 < robbie> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb 18:32 < robbie> with DMA :) 18:33 < Snafu> heh ide-scsi has dma now ? or they do away with that ? 18:34 < robbie> no ide-scsi needed 18:34 < robbie> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb 18:34 < morfic> real 7m38.180s 18:34 < morfic> user 0m2.160s 18:34 < morfic> sys 0m3.160s 18:34 < Snafu> i guess i need to look at it . put on my "NO SCO" T shirt ..... 18:34 < morfic> 140K/s avg 18:34 < mistik1> haha 18:34 < morfic> not bad 18:35 < Snafu> so cdrecord no longer needs ide-scsi for an ide burner eh ? 18:35 < mistik1> Snafu: come on, you know you love your SCO 18:35 < mistik1> nope 18:35 < mistik1> it about fugging time too 18:36 < mistik1> The only reason it ever needed ide-scsi was because the linux cdrom driver sucks ass 18:36 < robbie> and the ide-tape one too 18:36 < mistik1> and no one seemedto want to write a new one 18:36 < Snafu> so scsi interpeter is obsolete with the disk block device layer being unified in some way ... or cdrecord has got smarter 18:36 < mistik1> Snafu: the former 18:37 -!- manimay__ [~manimay@pD9E63B1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 18:37 < mistik1> at least that's what I got from the Love talk and from what i've read of it to date 18:39 < Snafu> it makes sense ... there is no reason ide and scsi cant look the same to userspace ... all the fancy chit done in kernel to present in a uniform way .. it also follows unix tradition on devices ... all devices can be used as as a streamer etc ... 18:40 < Snafu> so now the kernel is hiding the differences from you .. adding in the function scsi has that ide lacks .. ide's have been treated like scsi in many way ever since LBA was adopted .. 18:40 < Snafu> so why not come the rest of the way ... 18:40 < Snafu> nice to hear about ... 18:40 < mistik1> indeed 18:41 < Snafu> unix roolz ... 18:42 < msinhore> jammcq_lwce: I modified file and it did not decide the problem. 18:43 < msinhore> after to enter in gnome the Xwindows of workstation falls. 18:43 < Snafu> remember your recent-from-dos days when you discovered you could suck any disk image to a file pipe over the network, and back again .. comparing how to do the same feat with mickysoft dorkware .. all the special crap you needed to do something that in unix/linux nothing special 18:45 < mistik1> Snafu: I remember such things intimately 18:45 < mistik1> I was awed and amazed when I found that I could pipe a CD that way or like you said any filesystem 18:45 < mistik1> those were very fun times for me 18:46 < msinhore> jammcq_lwce: are you? 18:46 < mistik1> Matter of fact I used that very issue to convert many users to linux /*nix 18:47 < mistik1> and to this day the dos world does not have a simple tool to make or write a disk image 18:47 < Snafu> it wasnt always this way ... in the days before gnu .. the 1991 sysVr4 thats on my mips3000 machine ... its tar only works to-from the tape device ... the idea of directing to/from a generic stream file only a wet dream . the days when dump was king and a tarball was unknown ... 18:47 < msinhore> which is the maximum number of connections of the Xwindows run on the ltsp workstation? 18:47 < robbie> ghost :P 18:47 < robbie> 583762 18:48 < mistik1> robbie: nope 18:48 < mistik1> I'm talking in the manner of dd 18:48 < Snafu> msinhore yeah almost 65000 some odd ... 18:49 < msinhore> I have 30 ltsp terminal and not support more than 20, because? 18:49 < Snafu> msinhore you would need an IBM s390 sysplex http://linux390.nop.org to do it ... 18:49 < Snafu> well there is a connection limit set in gdm you must edit for example 18:50 < msinhore> this IBM it is a dream for me! :p 18:51 < Snafu> its not mine its IBM's machine .... 18:52 < Snafu> im sharing it with 6000 + other people .. but you would never know it ... its always been very fast for me 18:52 < msinhore> Snafu: I work in a project of digital inclusion and we do not have money nor for 1 tenth. 18:52 < msinhore> :p 18:53 < Snafu> Yeah ... thats a 12 million dollar box someheres round there ... 18:53 < msinhore> Snafu: I am using kdm for the sections. how many sections it supports? 18:53 < Snafu> but i think it qualifies as the badeest ass linux box .. 18:54 < Snafu> kdm needs an edit to increase the session limit too 18:54 < msinhore> that file I must edit? 18:54 < Snafu> i dont remember which one of them defaults maxed out the other defaults cut down ... 18:55 < msinhore> the xdm is the best for sessions? 18:55 < Snafu> xdm is the simplest and it has a host chooser 18:56 < Snafu> xdm will also run headless you dont even need a video card in the server ... you dont need to run X on the server 18:57 < Snafu> run xdm in daemon mode ... edit Xservers 18:57 < Snafu> # 18:57 < Snafu> # :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X 18:57 < Snafu> comment out so no xserver is started ... 18:57 < msinhore> it is possible to twirl ltsp without necessity to be in runlevel 5 in the server? 18:58 < Snafu> and presto ... no more need to suck ram on the server with a local GUI ... 18:58 < Snafu> exactly ... xdm can run on a tty only box or even a machine with no video card at all 18:59 < Snafu> edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers file run xdm in daemon mode ... 19:00 < Snafu> # :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X simply comment out the line that starts the gui and remove the -nodaemon parm from the line that starts it in the scripting .. 19:00 < Snafu> sadly neither kdm or gdm seem to work properly in a screenless server type setup ... 19:02 < msinhore> Snafu: I want a grafical login on the worstation and runlevel 3 on the server. this is possible? 19:03 < Snafu> thats what i just showed how to do .. or rather showed how to mod runlevel 5 so that xdm starts without the gui 19:05 < Snafu> look at the files in the xdm dir ... look in the init.d dir and grep for nodaemon ... fix those two spots .. two files 1 line changed each .. and presto .. 19:06 -!- claudio [~claudiope@161.132.213.126] has joined #ltsp 19:06 < claudio> hy everibody 19:06 < claudio> is there some ltsp-sound expert? 19:07 < Snafu> /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers file grep for nodaemon or xdm in init.d/ to find the other one .. 19:08 < msinhore> I need set the runlevel of the workstation for 3? 19:09 < Snafu> not making the two changes i point out .. 19:10 < Snafu> but look at the runlevel dirs for 3 and 5 what difference is there except xdm ? once you edit to run xdm in daemon mode with the xserver commented out of file Xservers ..... 19:11 < Snafu> then rl 5 will look just like 3 .. except with a hidden xdm showing up on the ps list 19:12 < Snafu> and no gui running on the server ,,, isnt that what you want ? 19:14 < msinhore> I want running a grafical login on the workstations (runlevel 5) and in the server to be in text mode (runlevel 3). 19:14 < Snafu> ok so now you know how to do that .. if you look at the places and do the things i set out .. 19:15 < Snafu> its a 1 line each edit to 2 files ... 19:15 < msinhore> I need best performance because after 20 logins on the workstations it is not possible to enter 19:16 < msinhore> yes, which files I need edit? 19:16 < Muir> Anyone know how to bootsrap without a EPROM chip? I have an on board NIC 19:17 < Snafu> you have a back scroll ? i named em twice .. 19:17 < msinhore> Snafu: are you? 19:18 < Snafu> Muir boards with on-card nics usually have boot code in bios ... pxe stuff .... yours prob does ... 19:19 < claudio> anyone know about makink sound work in a thin client? 19:20 < Snafu> there is some different stuff needed for pxe boot the exact details i cant recall ... its mentioned on ltsp.org ... and its all over google www.google.org/linux s f pxe 19:20 < Snafu> serach for pxe and ltsp i bet it will present several papers and the materials 19:21 < Muir> oh cool thanks 19:21 < Snafu> ya its not posed to be any beeg deal .. there is a loader they use that then gets the kernel or something like that ... 19:21 < morfic> jammcq_lwce: ping 19:23 -!- tazman [~tazman@ool-43507762.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 19:46 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@67.81.118.173] has joined #ltsp 19:52 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, robbie, jhansk01, jond3rd 19:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jhansk01, robbie, jond3rd, SmilieZ 19:59 -!- lucas [lucas@202.45.126.237] has joined #ltsp 20:01 < claudio> hi 20:01 < lucas> hi claudio 20:01 < claudio> are there some ltsp - sound gurus? 20:01 * lucas shrugs 20:01 < lucas> don't look at me, i'm a lurker 20:02 < claudio> lucas, thankyou anyway... 20:02 < claudio> it's a hard stuff 20:03 < lucas> hehe, nps, i'm sure if you wait someone will answer 20:03 < lucas> i was lurking hear yesterday and i got the impression that a new version of ltsp was being released today... 20:03 < lucas> i wonder... 20:04 < claudio> I have no idea... but newer versions are welcomed... always 20:05 < lucas> we'll wait and see i guess 20:05 < lucas> you are running ltsp? how's it going? 20:05 < tazman> claudio: did you install the sound support? 20:05 < tazman> its a seperate package 20:05 < claudio> lucas: I have made 2 installations... 20:05 < claudio> tazman: Yes I did... 20:06 < tazman> what soundcard are you using? 20:06 < claudio> tazman: I can boot my workstation, and when I cat an audio file to dev/dsp... it works 20:06 < tazman> then what is the problem 20:06 < claudio> tazman: but when I go in a graphical mode... it won't 20:06 < tazman> Redhat? 20:06 < claudio> yep 20:06 < claudio> k12os 20:07 < tazman> chmod on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer 20:07 < lucas> what is this k12 i keep hearing about? 20:07 < jond3rd> lucas, its a RedHat based distro that has LTSp built in 20:07 < claudio> that's the second question, I must do it, after the boot... how to make it, and be sure that it will be after next boot 20:08 < tazman> Kindergarted through 12 the grade LTSP with apps 20:08 < lucas> jond3rd: oic, free? 20:08 < jond3rd> lucas, yeah, it's free 20:08 < tazman> init scritp is what I did 20:08 * lucas browses k12ltsp.org 20:08 < claudio> which one? the one in /opt/ltsp/i386? 20:09 < tazman> hmm, don't remember 20:09 < claudio> rclocal of ltsp installation? 20:10 < claudio> i think it will work 20:10 < claudio> but it remains the graphical mode issue 20:10 < claudio> and, when I cat the sound... it's really really noisy... 20:10 < claudio> (that's third question) 20:10 < tazman> I had that problem in reg RH 7.2 and &,3 20:11 < claudio> what soundcard matters? server one, or workstation one, or both? 20:12 < tazman> https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2002-September/msg00569.html 20:12 < tazman> your read that? 20:13 < claudio> nope, that's a new one... I will try it 20:13 -!- Muir [1000@cpe-66-1-31-131.az.sprintbbd.net] has quit ["Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it"] 20:14 < claudio> but (ever there is a but) 20:14 < claudio> why the noisy sound? 20:14 < claudio> workstations have an Crystal 4281 card 20:14 < tazman> have no clue, google 20:14 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 20:15 < claudio> and Server have an cmedia one (a piece of junk, motherboard integrated) 20:16 < claudio> do you know if both soundcards are importants, or only Workstation one? 20:16 < jond3rd> claudio, server's audio has nothing to do with the ws audio 20:16 < claudio> jond3d, thats a good news, cause server one, is really ugly 20:17 < claudio> then... I could dissable servers soundcar, and still have workstation's sound? 20:17 < jond3rd> claudio, you can't make your sound work on workstation? 20:18 < claudio> jond3rd, I boot my Ws in text mode, and I can make an cat to /dev/dsp ... It works in an really really noisy way... but, It works 20:18 < jond3rd> claudio, what's the problem then? 20:19 < claudio> jond3rd, then I go in KDE, or Icewm... and it won't 20:19 < jond3rd> claudio, hmm, what do you have in lts.conf for that sound card? 20:19 < claudio> jond3rd... problems are: graphical mode, and noisy sound... 20:20 < claudio> I have the sound modules in auto... Whwn I lsmod in WS text mode, it appears the correct modules 20:20 < claudio> (i think, there are the correct ones) 20:20 < claudio> ofcourse, I have the sound = Yes 20:22 < claudio> and the nasd daemon 20:23 < claudio> why do you ask for lts.conf? it manages the graphical mode? 20:25 < Snafu> perhaps reading it might be a good idea ? 20:25 < Snafu> time for food ... ... 20:26 < claudio> jond3rd, what do you think? 20:31 -!- tazman [~tazman@ool-43507762.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 20:33 < jond3rd> claudio, I ask about lts.conf because it shold have the proper modules set 20:33 < jond3rd> claudio, how do you tell to ltsp that you have a souund card in your ws anyway? 20:33 < claudio> but, if it sounds (a bad sound, but a sound) in text mode... lts must be ok 20:34 < claudio> with the smodule01 = auto 20:34 < claudio> I will try, with the modules also... 20:36 < msinhore> howto I start kdm for login on the workstations? The system defaut is the gdm. I use the k12ltsp 20:38 -!- msi [~t@pD9523CB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 20:38 < msi> hi all 20:41 < jond3rd> msinhore, modify /etc/inittab 20:41 < jond3rd> msinhore, x:5:2345:reepawn:/usr/bin/kdm -nodaemon 20:42 < msinhore> ok 20:58 -!- hdaals [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 20:58 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:58 -!- hdaals is now known as hdaalz 21:12 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 21:17 < msinhore> jond2rd: tanks! 21:19 -!- msi [~t@pD9523CB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:19 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has quit ["Finalizando Cliente"] 21:26 -!- jbh67xyz [~jholcom@128.187.175.19] has joined #ltsp 21:28 < claudio> jond3rd, thankyou for your time, I will try tomorrow, and I will tell you the results 21:29 -!- claudio [~claudiope@161.132.213.126] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 21:30 < jbh67xyz> I'm new using IRC, but I was looking for some help with LTSP. Specifically, I have DHCP and tftp working but when my client recieves the vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-1 file it gives me an error message: File transfer error: Image file too large for low memory. 21:35 < jbh67xyz> who * 21:43 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 21:46 -!- EnigmaX [~EnigmaX@pcp03438900pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 21:49 < hdaalz> what is the best format for making a video clip that will play ok under linux ? 21:56 < paperclip> mpeg1 21:58 -!- jbh67xyz [~jholcom@128.187.175.19] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:06 < hdaalz> just made a movie of one of my clients booting :) 22:07 < hdaalz> 35seconds to the desktop, slient :) gotta love it 22:13 < hdaalz> if you wan to have a look at it, you can find it here http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bininside/downloads/ 22:27 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 22:38 -!- sveltegeek [~jbilbro@n223-109-141-208.tranquility.net] has joined #ltsp 22:39 < sveltegeek> Hey everyone 22:39 < sveltegeek> I was told there was supposed to be an announcement toady. 22:39 < sveltegeek> LTSP4 22:39 < sveltegeek> Anyone know anything? 22:40 < lucas> sveltegeek: i heard that rumour too 22:41 < sveltegeek> hopefully tomorrow 22:41 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:43 * lucas waits patiently. 22:46 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 22:47 < keyur> hi 23:10 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@67.81.118.173] has quit ["Gone diving in code/network"] 23:11 -!- pnelson [~pnelson@12-224-188-81.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 23:16 -!- pnelson [~pnelson@12-224-188-81.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 23:19 -!- sveltegeek [~jbilbro@n223-109-141-208.tranquility.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:27 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 23:48 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:50 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:54 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp --- Day changed Thu Aug 07 2003 00:22 -!- bill_c [~bill@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:22 -!- nikunj [~nikunj@203.199.140.3] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:34 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:37 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:40 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.21.33] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:40 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:41 -!- drevil [~drevil@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:41 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@cvip-as01-ppp88.cvip.net] has joined #ltsp 00:42 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@cvip-as01-ppp88.cvip.net] has left #ltsp [] 00:42 -!- DrEvil1 [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 00:46 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 00:47 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:47 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 00:48 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:50 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 00:57 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:58 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:07 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:08 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:14 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 01:17 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:18 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:21 -!- EnigmaX_ [~EnigmaX@pcp03438900pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 01:23 -!- niks [~neo@203.199.140.3] has joined #ltsp 01:27 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:28 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:37 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:38 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:42 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:42 -!- EnigmaX [~EnigmaX@pcp03438900pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:46 -!- EnigmaX_ [~EnigmaX@pcp03438900pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:00 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:11 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 02:13 -!- fluxbox [~kagoryu@210.23.101.226] has joined #ltsp 02:13 < fluxbox> lo guys 02:15 < lucas> hi fluxbox 02:15 < fluxbox> ne1 knows the correctrom iamge for via 6103 chipset 02:15 < fluxbox> or via rhine ii 02:28 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 02:33 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 02:41 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:57 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 03:26 -!- magnon [~magnon@ti211310a080-2974.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 03:27 < magnon> Hey, anyone who has any experience with having a printer on one of the ltsp clients? I don't get very far with it 03:29 -!- niks [~neo@203.199.140.3] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 03:36 -!- lupo__ [~lupo@p5085F2B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1"] 03:45 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 03:55 -!- madctrl [~madctrl@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 04:05 -!- kVanQue_ [~kvanque@port354.ds1-by.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ltsp 04:44 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:45 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 05:18 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 05:21 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 05:24 -!- OOps[x86] [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:25 -!- OOps[x86] [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has joined #ltsp 05:55 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.55] has quit ["Irssi!"] 06:06 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 06:08 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 06:09 < keyur> hi 06:40 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has joined #ltsp 06:40 < msinhore> hello all 06:54 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 06:56 < morfic> g'morning 07:00 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip37-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:02 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has joined #ltsp 07:26 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 07:28 -!- llllllll [~~chatzill@216.174.41.86] has joined #ltsp 07:28 -!- llllllll is now known as jjjj 07:29 -!- jjjj [~~chatzill@216.174.41.86] has quit [Client Quit] 07:29 -!- jjjj [~jjjj@216.174.41.86] has joined #ltsp 07:43 < jjjj> anyone alive 07:46 < morfic> no 07:46 < jjjj> k 07:47 < morfic> send me your left over dual xeons 07:47 < morfic> ill put them to good use 07:47 < morfic> you dont seem worthy of such treasures 07:47 < jjjj> lol 07:48 < jjjj> a fully delopyed setup will have 44 of them i found out yesterday 07:48 < morfic> all identical? 07:49 < jjjj> yep 07:49 < morfic> was is their main function? 07:49 < jjjj> its a cpu farm 07:49 < morfic> cause if they arent too busy, they'd make a fucking aweseom computing cluster 07:49 < morfic> computing what? 07:49 < jjjj> :) 07:50 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 07:51 < jjjj> hrm i am testing the client with 2 gigs of ram and i dont think it will meet the requirement of having a 20% reserve on resources 07:52 < madctrl> morning jjjj 07:52 < jjjj> morning 07:53 < morfic> you said they will have 4? 07:53 < jjjj> anyone here really good with dhcp 3 07:53 < jjjj> well right now the spec says 2 07:53 < jjjj> but my testing is showing they will need 4 07:59 < jjjj> i need to know what i can do with the conditional stuff in the dhcpd.conf for v3 08:02 < jjjj> everyone died again :( 08:03 < Snafu> ddns-update-style none; 08:03 < Snafu> new dhcp needs that parm mentioned in the top of it 08:04 < jjjj> i mean like dynamically allocated what boot image a client gets based on more than if pxe or eitherboot is asking 08:05 < Snafu> host Sparc { 08:05 < Snafu> hardware ethernet 08:00:20:1D:99:AD; 08:05 < Snafu> fixed-address 10.77.7.25; 08:05 < Snafu> option root-path "/tftpboot/sun"; 08:05 < Snafu> filename "/tftpboot/sun4m.nfsroot"; 08:05 < Snafu> } 08:05 < Snafu> like that >? 08:05 < jjjj> the idea is to be able to give a client a boot image based on what roll you want it to perform at a given time, which may change 08:06 < Snafu> so make the kernel they get the same as the hostname .. then the file is a symlink that points to the kernel for that box script wipes/recreates the symlinks 08:07 < Snafu> presto ... 08:07 < jjjj> i had that thought to 08:07 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:07 < jjjj> i am just wondering if i can do it with straight dhcp 08:08 < Damascene> STRAIGHT UP DHCP 08:08 < Snafu> so ya have a static entry for all of em but the file mentioned is actually a symlink .. only remember to create pathless symlinks .. 08:09 < Snafu> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Dec 22 2001 0A4D0719.SUN4M -> sun4m.nfsroot 08:10 < Snafu> on the sun the dhcp entry for file name is cosmentic for the human maintainer ... since the sun actually fetches file that matches its mac addr ... 08:10 < Snafu> format MAC.ARCH 08:10 < Snafu> hence 0A4D0719.SUN4M -> sun4m.nfsroot 08:11 < Snafu> that way the sun i can just go boot network .. and off it goes 08:11 < jjjj> ya, that seems to be the easiest way to do it 08:11 < Snafu> its better than editing dhcp files and killrestarting the dhcp file 08:12 < jjjj> true 08:12 < Snafu> well unles the actual config changes is only 2 or a few sets .. then trading dhcpd.conf files is easier 08:13 < Snafu> depends on how many variables ... latter is better if they are few 08:14 < jjjj> 44 seats 08:14 < Snafu> however ... if they are spending on 2g of wam and twin cpu's heh why be diskless ? that seems um false economy 08:14 < morfic> ease of administration 08:15 < Snafu> networked disk will slow things down .. it will so if they spend on hi end stuff like that going diskless semms like folly 08:15 < morfic> you make one setup, aeach client is uptodate...... 08:15 < morfic> is my guess 08:15 < Snafu> you can do that anyway with simple scripts over sshd 08:15 < jjjj> the 44 machines are there for reduncency 08:16 < morfic> question is, how disk intensive is it what they do 08:16 < Snafu> you can even chose a ltsp type boot only for the update task .. since hotswapping core clibs is easy that way .. 08:16 < morfic> i seriously would like to 'time emerge xfree gnome kde' if every machine takes part in distcc 08:16 < Snafu> you can script it so that you cram a floppy and it does the whole machine in a go ... 08:17 < jjjj> the idea is to not to have to populate 44 servers with 4 scsi drives eash 08:18 < Snafu> for maint it seems silly not to have a ltsp setup .. it has so many uses in the maint task alone ... 08:18 < Snafu> 4 120 gig disks ? 08:18 < jjjj> well they would have to be that big 08:19 < Snafu> they even have 320's now .. 08:19 < jjjj> but normally you dont get scsi drives smaller 18g 08:19 < Damascene> 120 gig scsi disk? I thought they didn't heh. 08:19 < Damascene> I thought scsi disks were at 72 or possibly 144 . 08:19 < Damascene> so buy some ide and go ide raid! 08:19 < Snafu> but if the days really is that much then the network is even more of a chokepoint ... 08:19 < Snafu> days er data 08:19 < jjjj> it doesnt, there is no need for local storage 08:20 < Snafu> ok so if the data is small so that network disk is ok then why disks so big ? 08:21 < jjjj> not sure, not my department 08:22 < Snafu> anyhow in the past diskless = cheap but a hi end board with 2g ram .. 4g ram .. heh a small disk for the os seems like chump change 08:22 < Damascene> Snafu: Well this has always been about managmenet 08:22 < Damascene> not 'cheapness' 08:22 < jjjj> there are other requirements that are met by going diskless 08:24 < Snafu> management is no biggie ... they sont need root .. and boxes can be a snapshot ... lots of the management stuff is false economy .. well im not being obtuse and difficult .. dont take my "tude" wrongly ... heh 08:24 < Snafu> i see so many things done for the wrong reasons ... 08:25 < jjjj> well these machines are going in an equipment room on racks 08:25 -!- ccjoe_lt [~joeg@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 08:25 < Snafu> sortal like voting for democrap leftists that fly to cuba and worship a butcher castro that would put most of those that helped them to power in a mass grave when they get that total state power they seek ... 08:26 < jjjj> lol 08:27 < Snafu> voting for the leftist guilt trippin self-hating Peter Singer devotee that would order the death of your grampa because he will drain too much from the new socialist health care they are imposing on you .. 08:28 < Snafu> my extream example of things done for wrong headed .. helping a leftist tyrant to power is one of them 08:28 < Snafu> welp one thing about it ... fewer moving parts ,,, 08:29 < jjjj> that is one of the major concerns :P 08:29 < Snafu> less noise cooler box .. 08:29 < jjjj> keep going 08:29 < Snafu> and with the bux you save you can have enough to afford hardware hotplug raid 5 for the server 08:30 < Snafu> compaq's hotswap raid is hard to beat ... 08:31 < Snafu> it would justify getting a name brand prokiant with their hardware raid even if the cluster was all clones ... 08:31 < morfic> what about not getting scsi disks smaller 18gig? 08:31 < jjjj> well money itself isnt an option 08:31 < Damascene> Snafu: erm.. yeah. Anyway, I only suggest going diskless for management. It's easier to managementa nd maintain a box with no harddisk. you never need to send a tech onsite. 08:31 < jjjj> er limit 08:31 < Snafu> you know IBM's blade clusters are very nice ... 08:32 < Damascene> Snafu: you just look at the server/cluster he's on. and there you go. 08:32 < jjjj> the servers are custom 08:32 < Damascene> not sure about this political spin stuffh eh 08:32 < Snafu> not spin fact 08:32 < Snafu> i argue with fact .. leave opinion out of it 08:33 < jjjj> lol 08:33 < morfic> snafu in snafulation mode, its all coming back now 08:33 < jjjj> haha 08:34 < Snafu> for example as proof the left have nurdered 100 million people ... beggared whole continents and stolen the potential and happiness from billions that langished for decades in brutal socialist tyranny 08:34 < morfic> i vote against disks, unless your computations are disk heavyand 12.5MB/s theoretical max per client areused up 08:34 < Snafu> all in the name of utopia 08:35 < jjjj> either way the mass storage for the machines isnt going to be local 08:35 < Snafu> if body count is the mesure of evil ... if human suffering is a measure of evil ... then what compares to come withinin even .02% of the left ? 08:35 < jjjj> it will be a external raid setup like Snafu suggested 08:35 < Damascene> Well, I didnt' necessarily mean spin as in lies, just... well, come on, i'm talking abuot managing DISKLESS workstations here, how does democrats and left and castro and cuba come into this? 08:35 < jjjj> lol 08:36 < Snafu> jjjj yeah central point of failure ... at least then ya can swipe a crap disk without even any downtime .. 08:36 < Damascene> Anyway what is this whole thing about? ;) 08:36 < Damascene> Diskless workstations, with a very redundant server, (and more than one ofthem) would be wickedly nice. ;) 08:36 < jjjj> also not my machines are serving as terminal but nodes in a cpu farm 08:37 < jjjj> er note 08:37 < Snafu> Damascene i mean people that do things to themselves wrongheadedly .. Hitler even was elected forst with a 43% plurality .. then over 90% voted him total power 08:37 < jjjj> some like that 08:38 < Snafu> so i use examples that put up my idea in blinding neon .. why be subtle ? 08:38 < jjjj> i like being blunt 08:39 < morfic> Damascene: more than one server sounds nice 08:39 < jjjj> how about 4 08:39 < morfic> Damascene: imagine 44 clients filling their 700MB ramdisks at once 08:39 < Snafu> it seems that his "thin" clients .. hehehe ( man o man ) wasnt very er thin ... SMP ? 2g/4g of ram ? 08:39 < jjjj> they are thin 08:39 < morfic> he called them thick clients long time ago 08:39 < jjjj> er arent 08:39 < jjjj> hehe 08:39 < Damascene> Snafu: Oh okay, well if you want to talk politics, sure. It just seemed like yout ried to tie that into um... our diskless workstation talk. ;) 08:40 < Damascene> jjjj: hrmp 44 thick clients? 08:40 < Damascene> if money isnt' an issue, just give them all raided disks. 08:40 < morfic> Damascene: get used to it the borders between ltsp and politics wash away with snafulation == 1; 08:40 < robbie> ive got a few thick clients 08:40 < jjjj> well, the other concerns weight in 08:40 < Snafu> well if his machines are gamer box dreams .. .. all the needed was a 3d card a few friends a UT cdrom and pizza ... and we are in a lan party 08:40 < jjjj> heat, noise, moving parts 08:40 < jjjj> lol 08:40 < morfic> but id think you will end up with a small cluster of server to make all machines happy 08:41 < Damascene> morfic: ah I see. ;) 08:41 < morfic> scsi == ouchhot 08:41 < jjjj> yep 08:41 < Damascene> jjjj: Okay... SO? :) power users who want 'silent' machines? 08:41 < Snafu> compaq has great cooling for their arrays 08:41 < morfic> snafulation(0); <--- mostly fails 08:41 < Damascene> then buy ide raid instead, more quiet. buy quiet fans, etc. ;) 08:42 < Damascene> Or.. put them in corners or closets, and have a long vga cable to their monitor. 08:42 < morfic> long vga cable sounds ugly 08:42 < Snafu> ya but most ide crap dont hotplug or rebuild on the fly ... so if no benifit then might as well say fuckit and go software raid .. 08:42 < jjjj> these machines are the terminals for the systems, they serve as nodes in a redunant distrubted system 08:42 < morfic> id love the humming and the feeling of hairs being raised 08:43 < jjjj> er not 08:43 < Damascene> Snafu: I'm sure he can live without hot plug. It's quasi hotplug. ;) 08:43 < Snafu> half ass raid is false economy .. the el cheapo crap aint all that cheap unless its really suck shit stuff .. 08:43 < jjjj> lol 08:43 < Damascene> You run the 3ware daemon on it, it notifies you on failure, then you go in and just tel it to rebuild. 08:43 < Damascene> Hold on here, someone said money wasn't an issue. 08:43 < jjjj> how about an adaptec i2o 08:43 < Damascene> I guess deep down it really was. 08:44 < morfic> i bet when they invented hotplug scsi, they called it pluggable scsi, after the first few burned fingertips, the engineers quickly gave it the more snazzy buzzword hotpluggable/hotswappable 08:44 < jjjj> lol 08:44 < Damascene> Anyway, what's wrong with gigE to the desktop and using diskless all the way? 08:44 < jjjj> lol 08:45 < jjjj> these arent desktops, which is what you guys are missing 08:45 < Snafu> anyhow compaqs hardware raid is supported in linux with a open source driver written by compaq .. that is in kernel ( the smart2 driver ) and frankly ... no other raid card is supported so well ... dtp cards have a binary only driver etc ... 08:45 < morfic> Damascene: gigE sounds nice (to dekstop) and use something beefier between switches and servers 08:45 -!- Faithful [~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 08:45 < Damascene> morfic: yeah, gige channel to the server. 08:45 < morfic> jjjj: we say desktops when we talk about each thick client 08:46 < jjjj> but i have thick clients :-P 08:46 < Damascene> jjjj: okay Anyway what's wrong with gigE to the "thick client" and using diskless all the way. 08:46 < Snafu> so if you want something that is really top shelf .. and something linux likes .. the compaq for the server .. ya counldt go wrong w it 08:46 < jjjj> Damascene: thats the idea 08:46 < Damascene> Snafu, you should get some compaq stock! ;) 08:46 < Damascene> jjjj: Okay, so what's wrong with that plan? 08:46 < morfic> Snafu: can you get them like several servers in one big case? 08:47 < jjjj> nothing, thats he plan 08:47 < Damascene> yah just get them a dumb terminal, like a wyse terminal! ;) 08:47 < Damascene> gO MainFRAME style 08:47 < Damascene> call up IBM and summon a few mainframes! 08:47 < jjjj> hehe 08:47 < Damascene> so you are using gigE powah? You usually need a very high end gige card and gige switch. 08:48 < Damascene> the 32bit/33 mhz ones aren't as good in performance. but might be enough for what you need. 08:48 < Snafu> Damascene compaq eh all ( yawn ) but their raid board has no equal ... period ... the fit and finish of a proliant and their hotplug raid cages . 08:48 < Damascene> Snafu: Hehe.. yes... they are so colorful, the polish and finish leaves little left to be desired. 08:48 < Snafu> and the fact that the linux kernel driver is in the kernel as open source and written by compaq .. not so hack 08:48 < Damascene> the cool compaq insignia with the little 'scsi 9.1 gig' in nice font. 08:48 < Snafu> basically w linux nothing comes close 08:49 < jjjj> we have some nice 3com switches 08:49 < Damascene> i haven't worked with 3com gig e switches. 08:50 < Snafu> Damascene i was talking about the bland white rack proliants .. they are heavy steel .. they have fans that make a wind tunnel ... they put their drives in their own wind tunnel .. 08:51 < Snafu> well made chit ... but its the part under the hood thats the deal .. for the PC their raid board has no equal ... and unlike the others its linux driver is class A 08:52 < Snafu> other boards are no driver or bin only ... and that suck shit thru a straw 08:52 < morfic> its even really open source? 08:52 < Snafu> liik in the 2.4 config the compaq raid is the one called smart2 08:52 < Snafu> written and contributed by compaq 08:52 < Damascene> morfic: Such powerful technology can be made open source due to proprietary scsi modified bios! (actually i dont' know, i'm just joshing you hehe) 08:53 < Damascene> about the opensource, but they do have modified bios for extra flavah 08:53 < jjjj> doh ecc does have to be paired 08:53 < Damascene> it's nto a function of ECC 08:53 < Damascene> it's a function of your what your chipset is 08:53 < morfic> all i know is i love my new/old 2940u2w and my quantim 18gig drive 08:53 < Damascene> some chipsets require dimms to be entered in pairs. others don't. 08:54 < morfic> if i love that i know i would love to have a 64/66 adapter with some u320 15k drives striped 08:55 < morfic> then again 08:55 < jjjj> hehe 08:55 < morfic> id be happy with a 64/66 and a single u320 15K probably 08:55 -!- sergio [~sergio@200.163.234.2] has joined #ltsp 08:56 < sergio> Hi there ! 08:56 < jjjj> not sure if the drive i have in front of me is 10 or 15k 08:56 < morfic> i upgraded from a fast ide to a medium scsi setup, my wife noticed the difference 08:56 < morfic> i went from 750mhz to 2ghz, she didnt 08:56 < morfic> i say that speaks for scsi 08:56 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has left #ltsp [] 08:56 < morfic> look it up online 08:56 < jjjj> i am 08:56 < morfic> throw the model into google and see the man spit out an answer 08:56 < Snafu> block/cciss.c: * Disk Array driver for Compaq SMART2 Controllers 08:57 < jjjj> ST336753LC Cheetah 15K.3 08:57 < Snafu> Fubar:/usr/src/linux-2.4.19pd.i2c/drivers/block# grep -sir smart2 * | grep COMPAQ 08:57 < Snafu> cpqarray.c:#define MAJOR_NR COMPAQ_SMART2_MAJOR 08:57 < Snafu> cpqarray.c: { PCI_VENDOR_ID_COMPAQ, PCI_DEVICE_ID_COMPAQ_SMART2P, 08:58 < morfic> lc? 08:58 < jjjj> i need toys like this at home 08:58 < morfic> why not by the LW instead of messing with..........never mind, you might have a 80 pin plate 08:58 < Snafu> Compaq SMART2 support 08:58 < Snafu> CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA 08:58 < Snafu> This is the driver for Compaq Smart Array controllers. Everyone 08:58 < Snafu> using these boards should say Y here. 08:58 -!- kVanQue_ is now known as kVanQue 08:58 < sergio> I would like to know if somebody is using PXES with LTSP. 08:59 < morfic> i just dislike using 80pin drives with 68 pin adapters instead of buying the LW version straight out 08:59 < jjjj> hehe 08:59 < jjjj> its 80 pin, hotswap 08:59 < Snafu> cciss.c: * Copyright 2000 Compaq Computer Corporation 08:59 < Snafu> cciss.c: * Questions/Comments/Bugfixes to arrays@compaq.com 08:59 < Snafu> cpqarray.c: * Copyright 1998 Compaq Computer Corporation 08:59 < Snafu> cpqarray.c: * Questions/Comments/Bugfixes to arrays@compaq.com 09:00 < morfic> i realized what we talked about after i started typing 09:00 < jjjj> hehe 09:00 < morfic> cause too many of those make it into plain old desktops 09:00 < Snafu> show me another raid board that has the driver in kewrnel already from the vendor 09:00 < morfic> dont know i know my aic7xxx driver is from adaptec 09:00 < Snafu> for the dpt they make you iuse a i20 binonly poshit 09:01 < Snafu> aic7xxx a raid board ? i dont think so 09:02 -!- sergio [~sergio@200.163.234.2] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 09:02 < jjjj> its a regular old scsi board 09:03 < Snafu> exactly .. im saying the best raid board ya can get is also the best supported ... no bin-only shit no i2o shit ... no "best guess/who knows" shit .. 09:03 < morfic> Snafu: i never said its raid, i answered i dont know what other raidboard has drivers in kernel from vendor, but that i do know my aic7xxx is from adaptec, meaning my aic7890/91 chip has a vendor made driver in kernel 09:03 < Snafu> its in kernel it works perfect .. 09:04 < Snafu> morf reg scsi isnt the issue even off the wall cards are supported 09:04 < Snafu> morf for raid tho .. few choices allow you to avoid intense pain 09:04 < jjjj> ya there is a ton of scsi cards in the kernel 09:04 < Snafu> and with the compaq board pain = 0 09:05 < jjjj> these tech docs are BORING 09:07 < Snafu> not only is a hi quality kernel driver there ... but its a hotplug build on the fly transparent to the os .. ass out of the crack life preserver .. 09:07 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 09:08 < Snafu> bad disk lite comes on and it brinfs on a hot spare or ya swap it in production ... by the next day its synced downtime = 0.0 09:10 < Snafu> for the pc .. there might be other hi end stuff that is as slick but without a linux driver ... and the others .. the driver is a guess that sucks or is bin-only chit that must get a new one and its built only for that kernel 09:11 < Snafu> so when the vendore "moves on" to the next model your fucked 09:11 -!- magnon [~magnon@ti211310a080-2974.bb.online.no] has left #ltsp [] 09:12 < Snafu> its enough of a source of pain and problems .. and performace .. that afaik the compaq board is the only card that "works right" ie as well supported as for winblows box etc 09:14 < Snafu> as for the rest of the machine ya the box is nice has great drive colling and ECC as standard for the midrange models .. 09:14 < Damascene> morfic: well, i have a very well partition and also well distributed with network disks setup. so, i can't tell the diff between scsi and ide on my systems. 09:14 < Snafu> but ( yawn ) 09:14 < Damascene> er.. well partitioned 09:14 < Damascene> very well distributed i/o by using network disks. ;0 09:15 < Snafu> its the fact that the vendors own driver is already in the linux tree that makes it the deal to go with .. 09:15 < Damascene> yeah so how many shares of compaq stock do you have again? ;) 09:16 < jjjj> lol 09:17 < Snafu> welp about 5 years ago .. i worked for GE ITS and we sold 1000's of compaq proliant rack boxes .. as well as HP IBM and the gammut .. 09:17 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 09:17 < Snafu> some compaq machines was shit their prosignia server had a drive rack that let the disks bake .. it was so dumbfuck it had a hot surface warning sticker .. 09:19 < Snafu> well if the assholes knew it was hot enough to cause burns and needed a warning sticker ... then why wasnt they intersted in colling for em ? they spend so much on warrant replace for those prosigina drive bake ovens .. 09:19 < Snafu> i mean total stupid .. 09:20 < Snafu> the proliants however .. their drive cages both front cases and ext rack excellent cooling great fit n finish .. and a radi board that above the driver was transparent to the os ... hotswap hot spare rebuild on the fly .. flawless 09:20 < Snafu> but what good would it be if the driver was missing for linux 09:21 < Snafu> but linux 2.4 has the OEM driver already in the tree . written by them .. while others are iffy missing or binary-only i2o shit... 09:21 < Snafu> welp case closed 09:22 < morfic> you kept your tacos warm on them? 09:22 < Snafu> it would burn the tacos .. 09:22 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@trap.mebius.lv] has joined #ltsp 09:23 < Damascene> cook some eggs 09:23 < morfic> yeah egg and bacon tacos 09:23 < Snafu> the only disks that would last was these fujitsu's .. thats it all others made heat ... and the cage crammed em all together with no air 09:24 < morfic> then you dont need a comal to heat up the tortillas 09:24 < morfic> thats my worries, i want a case for $36 so i can put my drives in airflow and keep space in between 09:24 < Snafu> so if ya had more than 1 disk ... then only that particular model that ran amasingly heatless would work in them without going flambe 09:24 < morfic> and i dont even have that much right now 09:25 < jjjj> stop talking about food, its too early for lunch here 09:25 < jjjj> shit i spent 500 bux already this week 09:25 < Snafu> i know compaq spent millions on warrnaty swaps due to that stupid design ... 09:25 < morfic> im gonna have 2 samwiches with 2 seranos in a minute or 2 09:26 < morfic> i barely make a little more than 500 a week 09:26 < morfic> so to spend 500 in a week would be fatal 09:26 < jjjj> take home? 09:26 < Damascene> sometimes i make 0 per week 09:27 < Snafu> eventually they come up with a cooling kit .. you had to cut a hole in the back and they supplied a new cage with cutouts .. a air duct made with bent plexi and a box fan .. 09:27 < jjjj> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/08/07/web.addict.ap/index.html 09:27 < morfic> take home, not gross 09:28 < Snafu> and when the proliants came out ... the rigged the boxes so that case air was sucked in thru the drive cage 09:29 < Snafu> went crasy on cooling ... a few proliant racks would make the server room sound like a landramat 09:29 < jjjj> lets just say 500 was how much they took out of my bimonthly cheak 09:30 < morfic> i wonder when i got money to spend again, get another 18g atlas 10K3 drive and do software raid or get a cheap big IDE? i dont really need that much storage 09:30 < morfic> i should then nicely max out my 80MB/s adapter 09:31 < Snafu> ya ide's are so cheap ... they have become backup media ... 09:32 -!- manimay__ [~manimay@pD9E63B1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:32 < morfic> some buy lots and lots of 250g drives (and after they are done cryiong about their mayn gig they "lost" due to hdd vendors saying 1G == 1000000000, they fill it up and by more) 09:33 < morfic> how dumb can you get to measure your self worth by the amount of used up diskspace at home? 09:33 < Snafu> why carry a suitcase of cdroms that took a year to burn or a sack of tapes from a 3000 $ drive when an inch high 320 gig in a static bag will fit in your coat pocket ... 09:33 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-142-4.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:33 < morfic> Snafu: they have no such concerns 09:34 < morfic> Snafu: i agree there, considering the high G rates a drive not in use can sustain nowadays 09:34 < morfic> im talking about the little teengeeks with their 500G+ shit at home 09:35 < Snafu> heh im still spinning FH 5" 1g wrien and imprimis disks from 10 years ago .. 09:35 < morfic> expecially if they know so little they think its broken when they have only 232G to play with on their "250G" drives ;P 09:36 < Snafu> and they been spinning for 10 years too ... sho me a modern drive you expect to last so long they lose utility before they wear out .. 09:36 < morfic> i dont think modern drives are made with that kind of life expectancy 09:37 < Snafu> Snafu:~# dmesg | grep -i model 09:37 < Snafu> Vendor: IMPRIMIS Model: 94601-15 Rev: 1250 09:37 < Snafu> Vendor: IMPRIMIS Model: 94601-15 Rev: 4614 09:37 < Snafu> Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST42400N Rev: 0119 09:37 < jjjj> not unless you are paying for the high end scsis 09:37 < morfic> jjjj: 500 out of a bimonthly check doesnt sound like a whole lot 09:37 < jjjj> more than you make in a week 09:38 < morfic> jjjj: we talk about large IDE right now 09:38 < Snafu> Snafu:~# dmesg | grep -i byte | grep -i scsi 09:38 < Snafu> SCSI device sda: 2026965 512-byte hdwr sectors (1038 MB) 09:38 < Snafu> SCSI device sdb: 2031705 512-byte hdwr sectors (1040 MB) 09:38 < Snafu> SCSI device sdc: 4159462 512-byte hdwr sectors (2130 MB) 09:38 < jjjj> i know, but Snafu's drive are old skewl high end scsi's 09:39 < Snafu> yup they cost me 1800 each 09:39 < morfic> i have taken out 600 in 4 weeks, unless you dont count health insurance 09:39 < Snafu> the 2g was later and cost 1600 09:39 < jjjj> no 500 bux was just fed, state and fica 09:39 < morfic> Snafu: how old are you? 09:39 -!- TheLaw [~thelaw@134.76.248.101] has joined #ltsp 09:40 < morfic> 640 in 8 weeks then and we dont even have state tax 09:40 * morfic feels better now 09:40 < jjjj> thats how much they take out 09:40 < jjjj> over 8 weeks 09:40 < Snafu> Morph ive said my first box was an altair .. didnt that give it away ? im a 45 year old fossil 09:40 < morfic> i missed it 09:40 -!- manimay__ [~manimay@pD9544556.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 09:40 < Snafu> and ive been a putter geek since abt 1976 or so .. 09:41 < morfic> and i had to google it if i want to make sure to get the right chickle 09:41 < jjjj> Snafu: do you still have it 09:41 < morfic> if he isnt married, he might 09:41 < Snafu> no nor the pdp11-05 either damnit .. 09:41 < jjjj> doh 09:41 < Snafu> uses an asr33 terminal chunka chunka .. 09:42 < morfic> its nice not to be the oldest in a channel for once 09:42 < Snafu> i had to do my puting in the garage back then , the terminal would keep the whole house awake at night otherwise 09:43 < morfic> so you are saying your neighbors hated you? 09:43 < jjjj> i had the problem with my current rig until i got an antec truepower psu for it 09:43 < Snafu> esp punching paper tape where the chunka chunka was quite extended ... 09:43 < morfic> i wonder if people join and all forget they had a question while listening to us 09:43 < jjjj> lol 09:44 < Snafu> next machine was a trs80 m1 ... 09:44 < morfic> well expcept maybe mani, as all germans he is probably just an introvert 09:44 < Snafu> i eventually had 5 of those ... 09:44 < jjjj> still before my time 09:44 < Snafu> or well still do those i still have 09:44 < morfic> i didnt have a pc till i got a 386sx16 witrh 2MB and 40MB hdd 09:44 < morfic> soon it had a 20mhz quarts 09:45 < morfic> i actually even had a 387sx 09:45 < jjjj> my first pc was a packard bell pb500 09:45 < Snafu> 35 track SSSD 89K floppies !! for 40$ a box .. in 1979 dolars .. 09:45 < jjjj> essh 09:45 < morfic> i had nothing but dsdd disks 09:45 < Snafu> a 16k ram upgrade was 250 $ 09:46 < morfic> yeah i paid $50 a pop for 1MB sip sticks 09:46 < Snafu> box was 64k 12k was rom 2k was kb and screen .. 09:46 -!- selmys [~selmys@142.204.253.114] has joined #ltsp 09:46 < morfic> Snafu: a 128k ram upgrade for a cnc machine i worked witrh was ~8000 09:46 < morfic> maybe 256k 09:47 < morfic> its amazing those things i did on a 2MB machine, or you were happy with 64k 09:47 < Snafu> i paid 800$ for my first 4 4m 30 pin simms ... 09:47 < jjjj> ya damn scary 09:47 < morfic> i mean they really thought 1MB is gonna be so huge just use the 640k upfront for the OS and the mem in between for tsrs 09:47 < morfic> nice thinking 09:47 < Snafu> i still run the eisa 486 that has its 1600$ worth of 32m of 30 pin simms 09:47 < morfic> Snafu: you had no SIPs ? 09:48 < jjjj> i did a paper on the Apollo guidance computer, that machine was scary 09:48 < Snafu> i recall a 286 board perhaps that has some sips 09:48 < jjjj> predates Snafu 09:48 < selmys> anyone seen ltsp version 4 as announced at LinuxWorld?? 09:49 < morfic> it installs in 7 minutes including the fetching of files at 140K/s 09:49 < Snafu> ya i was an electronics geek .. while i was building a 1kw 4-1000A amp .. i saw the mits altair in popcom mag .. 09:50 < morfic> Snafu: when i bought my 386sx it was between a 286 and a 386sx, both had features that would have made either a good choice, im glad i read the right things and took the sx 09:50 < Snafu> i got it but no term just switches and hand coded assy via switches ... 09:50 < Snafu> i got it as a kit ... took a year to get all the parts 09:50 < jjjj> yep 09:50 < morfic> Snafu: you remember the SIPs were SIMs with legs soldered to them? 09:51 -!- Guest02107 [~raj21_pun@61.1.106.56] has joined #ltsp 09:51 < morfic> i unsoldered them to use them as SIM in my 486 i had later 09:51 < Snafu> later at a auction .. was the co-ordiant mesuaring machine .. it had a pdp11/05 and an asr33 .. a feller wanted the machine but not the puter ... i ended up with the puter 09:51 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:51 < morfic> with a regular household straight from your avg wall outlet 220V AC soldering iron, something thats supposed to kill them 09:52 < morfic> also my technique wasnt too nice so heat should have killed them too 09:52 < morfic> they worked well even later on in my sis' computer 09:52 < Snafu> all i wanted was a term for my altair ... but the pdp worked .. and came with lots of sw on paper tape .. and was pretty fun itself ... 09:53 < morfic> i never messed with papertape outside of work where our NC Lathe had programs stored on tape 09:53 < morfic> pretty solid and good tape, dont remember any jams or misreads 09:53 < Snafu> when the trs came out .. i wanted it as a crt term for the altair and pdp ... but the trash80 had a better os than i had for the altair ( none ) or the pdp ( none ) 09:53 < jjjj> lol 09:54 < Snafu> no more hand toggle for a program loader etc 09:55 < Snafu> even tho the pdp was mag core memeory .. and held software with power off 09:55 < Snafu> but a crash would hose it bad enough you had to toggle in the loader again ... 09:55 < morfic> -test2-bk7 09:55 * morfic smells a kernel compile in the air 09:55 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 09:55 < morfic> cant wait for -test3 09:56 < Snafu> yup if ya was a real he-man ... you used mylar tape ... 09:56 < jjjj> lol 09:56 < Guest02107> is any on setup openmosix with ltsp 09:56 < morfic> probably was, i couldnt swear on it though 09:56 < jjjj> before my time still 09:56 < morfic> this fan under my desk is really saving my life 09:58 < Snafu> anyhow i didnt look at the PC when it came out in 82 ... for quite a while all the 8 bit machines blew th PC away ... its dos sucked and all I/O was bios calls ... the 1mhz 4mhz z80 boxes was still faster than the PC and the PC with 128k and 1 floppy was 3500 $ anyway 09:58 -!- Guest02107 [~raj21_pun@61.1.106.56] has quit [] 09:58 < Damascene> Snafu: Ah yes, I remember my c64 was vicious! 09:59 < Snafu> and a RGB cga monitor was 1000$ 09:59 < Damascene> so why did the PC take off? 09:59 < jjjj> lotus 10:00 < morfic> my good ol c64, was my first copmputer 10:00 < Snafu> well when the 286 came out it began to speed up also the software used their own I/O bypassing bios and shadow speed that up even .. 10:00 < morfic> had datasette and all, later got the 1541, of course i had the whole punch that would allow me to use both sides of the floppies 10:01 < morfic> i remember when shadowing video and system bios made a big fat difference 10:01 < robbie> ya, the hole punch wasa bonus 10:01 < Snafu> and hard disks started to become affordable 3800 $ for a 5 meg segate !! 10:01 < morfic> so snafu was born with a silver spoon in his mouth 10:01 < jjjj> lol 10:01 < morfic> since he seems to really have bought all that 10:02 < morfic> i think if you scroll up and add it together he spend about half a million so far 10:02 < Snafu> for me it was when AST came out with the rampage card ... it sold with a copy of desqview 1.0 10:02 < morfic> in yesterdays dollars 10:02 < Snafu> it was an 8 bit ram card that held 2.1m of 64k dips !! 10:02 < Damascene> jjjj: so lotus software got people all hyped about the ibm pc? 10:03 -!- g-paiva is now known as g-paiva_lunch 10:03 < jjjj> yes lotus 1 2 3 10:03 < Damascene> no way! 10:03 < Damascene> lotus 1-2-3 is the savior? 10:03 < Damascene> was the savior 10:03 < Snafu> but more important it could page the ram in hardware w that your xt could multitask 10:03 * morfic never had an XT, only AT 10:04 < Snafu> it was the hardware on the ast rampage that became the EEMS standard and later the EMS standard that was later adopted by intell as the v86 mode for the 386 10:05 < Snafu> in anycase an xt with a rampage and deskview was the first small machine of any kinds that could multitask in any fashion .. 10:06 < Snafu> so from deskview > os2 > linux i was never dumbfuck enough for winblows 10:07 < jjjj> Snafu was never a gamer then 10:07 < morfic> hm, groupwise keeps bailing out 10:07 < Snafu> os2 was bewst for games .. 10:07 < jjjj> for like "10 minutes" 10:07 < Snafu> os2 was the only box that could netgame for hours wout crashing ... winblows boxes are the only thing ducmbfuck enough to crash 10:08 < Snafu> os2 VM for dos ran all the early stuff like doom quake CNC 10:09 < Snafu> a winblows idiot was fustrating to play because hos winblows box would crash before ya could whoop his ass ... winblows losers was never any fun .. 10:09 -!- selmys [~selmys@142.204.253.114] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 10:10 < Snafu> nowadays ... if it dont run in linux like UT or quake etc ... 10:10 < Snafu> then im not interested 10:12 < Snafu> os2 was great for intenet gaming .. we invented it ... quake and others only networksed over novell ipx .. we had a driver that would wrap the ipx in an ip packet for the os2 dos VM ... 10:12 < Snafu> and so the os2 guys was having internet blastathons over the net while th winblows idiots only wished they could 10:14 < Snafu> and best off all you could have other things running without worry .. to this day there still isnt an os as fast as os2 with its hand tuned assembler kernel ... 10:15 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:16 < Snafu> you cant get some/nothing tho ... linux/unix extra overhead with its C source kernel and notion of users and other stuff its worth the tradoff tho .. 10:16 < Snafu> os2 should be dead by now .. all the os2 geeks went linux aby 1995 onwards when linux started to get really good .. 10:17 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:17 -!- farang-35 [~daniel@202.133.176.7] has joined #ltsp 10:18 < Snafu> so ... abt 1976 2003 ... been a frothing puter geek for 27 years .. heh 10:19 < jjjj> beats my by about 12 years 10:19 < farang-35> 5 10:19 < jjjj> then again i am only 23 10:20 < Snafu> before then you had to be an ivy school luckster where you had access to a 65,000 $ pdp11/45 or an old HP3000 ... or forbid and IBM 360/70 .... where you learned the interactive bliss of punch cards 10:20 < jjjj> hehe 10:22 < Snafu> the early ss100 buss ( the altair buss ) machines .. and the latter trs80's and apple II was what made avg joe puter geekdom possible ... 10:23 < Snafu> the ss100 machines became the cpm domain .. gave birth to the first portable like the osborne1 10:23 < farang-35> Model I child here... 10:23 < jjjj> those were funky machines 10:24 < Snafu> the first compaq their XT portable was close to the same shape size etc .. 10:24 -!- msi [~t@p50807A1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 10:24 < msi> hi 10:24 < farang-35> my TRS-80 had 4 KB RAM 10:24 < farang-35> and a tape 10:24 < jjjj> i like how portable meant it was self contained and you could move it if you were highly motivated 10:24 < Snafu> anyhow i lost interst in my surplus pdp and altair with the trs80m1 that i got to act as a crt for them to replace the asr33 ... 10:26 < Snafu> the trs ya could get a floppy and an os .. and generally a nicer enviroment than the stuff it was to be a terminal for .. so i sold em back when others would still find em interesting .. 10:26 * morfic playing the CFLAGS game some more 10:27 < Snafu> heh wish i had em today .. the pdp would have major geek value and the altair is a collectors .. 10:27 < morfic> did yo9u say pdp-11? 10:27 < morfic> yes you did 10:27 < morfic> gcc has pdp11 specific -m options 10:27 < Snafu> ya pdp11/05 an oem ver of the 11/10 10:28 < Snafu> it had 16k words of mag core on 2 6k word boards .. 10:28 < farang-35> I could have sold my Model I to the Smithsonian a while back. Still in my mother's attic 10:28 < morfic> and why didnt you? 10:28 < Snafu> that was over 12,000 $ worth of mag core ram at the time 10:28 < morfic> you could always take your kids to the museum and tell them, daddy sold that one to them 10:29 < Snafu> he i still have all 5 of mine ... 10:29 < Snafu> they are intact ,, 10:29 < jjjj> they all still run? 10:29 < farang-35> I just wasn't motivated at the time. I went through about ten years without a computer. Missed Windows 3.1 altogether 10:29 < Snafu> 3 of them have the expansion boxes 232 boards etc 10:31 < Snafu> i went altair pdp > trs80 > XT w an ast rampage card and deskview > os2 > linux i too was never dumbfuck enough for winblows 10:31 < morfic> hey windows95 let me use my isdn card with ease 10:31 < morfic> suse added decent capi drivers a while later 10:32 < Damascene> oh dear, you still have isdn cards? 10:32 < jjjj> lol 10:32 < Damascene> mag core sounds familiar, isn't that far more reliable memory? 10:32 < Damascene> but can't be done in high densities 10:32 < Damascene> and more expensive? 10:32 < morfic> back in 95 i did, then again, my sis followed suit and still uses isdn, and i try to get her to get adsl, its about the same cost 10:32 < Snafu> today ... that uber geek os called unix that ran only on that 65,000 pdp11/45 is now a free download for a 600$ box that has more ram allocated to roms than the pdp had in the whole fucking box ... 10:33 < morfic> adsl i thinik is even flatrate, while isdn like dialup you pay rates by minute/hour like a local phonecall 10:33 < morfic> sanfu: unix is free? 10:33 < Damascene> morfic: depends, some isdn is flatrate now. 10:34 < Snafu> try telling the bsd people they aint unix but if i point to 1972 unix that ran on the pdp7 you will see the same unix tree and file existing on your linux box 10:34 < morfic> Damascene: not my sis', germany sux like that, plus i dont have the baility to shop around for her being like 8000 miles away or 6K? well fucking far away in any way 10:34 < Snafu> and it certainly has everything there so if linux isnt a unix .. 10:35 < Snafu> then the defintion has no meaning other than a silly trademark from the open group xopen 10:35 < jjjj> linux is a *nix 10:35 < morfic> well gnu linux, would imply, gnu is not unix linux ;P 10:35 < jjjj> lol 10:36 < Damascene> morfic: Well, no doubt some places still do that. Just sayign some DO have flatrate. Although the US is a lto better for the internte pricing anyway. 10:36 < jjjj> they did that for a reason, funny thing is now there is a lot of gnu stuff that gets used on "real" unix distros 10:36 < Snafu> i like rms ... his pinko politics are pathetic but i think he is reforming he isnt morally obtuse .. 10:37 < jjjj> hehe 10:37 < jjjj> rms is a good guy 10:37 < jjjj> gets the job done 10:37 < Snafu> but the "OS" is the kernel everything else is optional and exchangeable 10:37 < jjjj> true 10:37 < morfic> stallman? 10:38 < jjjj> yes 10:38 < Snafu> the bare kernel and a shell from asmutils and you have the linux os .. .. period 10:39 < Snafu> now all the extras are kinda nice .. pretty usefull but if lunux is still an os without it .. then how is it different with em ? 10:39 < jjjj> hrm its cold in here today 10:39 < Snafu> truth is ... rms wanted a free os ... his progect produced just about everything except the os ... 10:40 < jjjj> yes it did 10:40 < morfic> he is odd, but w.o him iw ouldnt run gentoo right now i suppose so i like him for his work although it hurts when my wife compares me with him 10:40 < jjjj> hurd is only in like testing after how long... 10:40 < Snafu> and the everything except the os is offered as add on userspace for other unixes .. solaris has sunfreeware.com ... would solaris with the freeware downloads be called GNU/Solaris ? 10:40 < morfic> Snafu: thats the fun part he produced everything but the kernel 10:41 < Snafu> anyhow rms seserves credit .. look how important his gcc compiler was .. 10:41 < Snafu> but the GNU/Linux thing .. heh 10:42 < jjjj> yep, its a defacto standard 10:43 < Snafu> not that a fault those that do the GNU/Linux thing as a tip of tthe hat to the guy .. fine w me .. 10:44 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 10:44 < Snafu> but plueaze ... the argument is counter productive for one thing its a mistatment of the technical def for what the OS is ... the kernel ... all else is userspace optional interchangable 10:45 < Snafu> how can yo define a system with stuff that dont need to be there ? 10:45 < Snafu> seems paradoxical to me .. 10:46 < jjjj> its a chicken or the egg type thing 10:46 < Snafu> welp if not for rms we would all be running Free/Open/NetBSD 10:47 < jjjj> yep 10:47 < Snafu> their unix is genetic decendent from att version 32V an early version for the DEC vax ... 10:47 < morfic> Snafu: why dont you start your lines at the beginning w/o tabbing in or hitting space, just like we regular fucks? 10:48 < Snafu> why does it matter ... heh 10:48 -!- farang-35 [~daniel@202.133.176.7] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:48 < jjjj> hehe 10:49 < Snafu> i think the att bsd lawsuit was settled ... um 94 ? 95 ? 10:49 < jjjj> it was a while ago now 10:50 < Snafu> anyhow any sysV code in linux thats where it came from .. 10:50 < jjjj> hehe 10:50 < jjjj> i ws just going to ask what everyone's take on the sco thing was 10:51 < Snafu> the RCU and JFS was property of IBM and their lic allows what they did sco is goin down in flames w this one 10:51 < jjjj> yep 10:51 < jjjj> i am waiting for ibm to buy them out 10:51 < Snafu> http://lamlaw.com/DOJvsMicrosoft/WrapAndFlow.html has a good take and groklaw has been good and erics paper on it is good 10:52 < Snafu> http://radio.weblogs.com/0120124/ 10:53 < Damascene> I dont' see GPL is an issue here. 10:53 < Damascene> hrmp.. oh wait 10:54 < Damascene> they didn't write caldera from ground up 10:54 < Snafu> scos fuckup goes beyond the gpl ... 10:54 < Damascene> so yeah, to sell it, you can, but you have to give up the source code if asked 10:54 < jjjj> the damning thing against sco is that wont tell anyone what is infringing 10:54 < Damascene> jjjj: I think theya lready insinuated it 10:54 < Damascene> SMP and NUMA 10:55 < Snafu> scos problem is they are the "new sco" and dont have the institutional memeory of what was done by predesesoors who held the unix license .. 10:55 < jjjj> ya 10:56 < jjjj> they dont have a clue when something from "unix" ended somewhere else 10:56 < Snafu> IBM's lic was with the original holder att ... and their by - letter specifically allowws IBM to do what sco accuses them of doing 10:56 < jjjj> hehe 10:56 < Damascene> Snafu: did you see sco's uni xhistory chart? 10:57 < Damascene> they claim to chown minix and quite a few other lines. 10:57 < jjjj> which is what IBM has been claiming all along 10:57 < Snafu> seen many of them .. havnt seen thirs .. 10:57 < Snafu> frankly i dont go to their site any more .. it has an unclean stink to it 10:58 < jjjj> hehe 10:58 < jjjj> ya 10:58 -!- msi [~t@p50807A1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:58 < jjjj> like you just touched road kill or something 10:58 < Snafu> i dont even read their crap and am content to read ther others taking em apart when they flap their yap .. 10:58 < Damascene> it's quite humours 10:58 < Damascene> http://www.sco.com/scosource/unixtree/unixhistory01.html 10:58 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 10:59 < morfic> MetaCosm: poke 11:00 < MetaCosm> hey monkey morifc 11:02 < Snafu> the actual genetic geneology thats intersting is the att/sysv stuff where bsd counter sued because att stole bsd code not the other way round .. and it was that that freed the bsd code ... all except 7 files .. 11:03 < Snafu> in time the 7 files was re written .. and NetBSD was born .. later came the splits that created the 3 groups .. 11:03 < jjjj> hehe 11:04 < jjjj> that was funny, they were like, i think you need to double check, thats our stuff 11:04 < jjjj> the fact that sco was selling calderna(sp) is damning to their case 11:04 < Snafu> the took the bsd code and removed bsd copyright notices from the files ... the bsd people cought em redhanded .. 11:05 < jjjj> hehe 11:05 < Snafu> at that ppoint the judge demanded they settle .. 11:05 < Damascene> wait, sco was selling caldera even now? 11:05 < Damascene> i'm a bit confused. 11:05 < jjjj> they sold them off 11:05 < Damascene> you are allowed to resell linux 11:05 < jjjj> i think 11:05 < Damascene> the only major case is, you have to make it open source 11:05 < jjjj> yes but sco was reselling linux 11:05 < Damascene> that's fine 11:05 < Damascene> you are allowed to do that. 11:06 < jjjj> not if you are trying to sue others for doing it 11:06 < Damascene> so they are saying by "demanding" sco licenses for linux... is that the actual thing ibm is suing over? 11:06 < Damascene> it'sa chicken and the egg situation though 11:06 < Snafu> http://lamlaw.com/DOJvsMicrosoft/WrapAndFlow.html 11:06 < Snafu> 9:30 AM PDT - A quick review of the RedHat law suit against SCO 11:06 < Snafu> thats section is good 11:06 < jjjj> ya but IBMs chicken was ATT and not SCO 11:07 < Snafu> IBM's lic was with the original holder att ... and their by - letter specifically allowws IBM to do what sco accuses them of doing 11:07 < Snafu> http://radio.weblogs.com/0120124/stories/2003/06/24/scoArchives.html 11:08 < Damascene> Yes, SCO's heavy handed 'demands' for funds is pretty evil and potentially defamatory 11:09 < Damascene> that, I agree, is potentially illegal 11:09 < jjjj> wow i was right, ibm is going after sco for selling caldera 11:09 < MetaCosm> Snafu: didn't IBM pay a _metric_ ton of money, so they could specifically NOT worry about getting sued 11:09 < Damascene> jjjj: I thought you read that page, i was talking about that right now. 11:09 < jjjj> i hadnt heard that part 11:09 < jjjj> yet 11:09 < jjjj> the lawsuit was filed today 11:10 < Snafu> if i have a fake book ... a repro from hong kong ... i cant be sued under copyright . only if i make a copy of it ... having my bad copy dont make me liable 11:10 < Snafu> the person copying is the guilty party ... those that simpply hold them cannot be touched 11:10 < Snafu> sco should know this 11:11 < jjjj> hehe 11:11 < Damascene> Snafu: so in other words, end users aren't liable at all hm 11:11 < Snafu> correct 11:11 < jjjj> haha 11:11 < Damascene> however, this is exactly what the RIAA is doing. 11:11 < Damascene> no? 11:11 < Damascene> or you are saying the RIAA can't nail "receivers" only people who "share" and in essesne, copy by doing so 11:11 < jjjj> so they are going to be up the creek without a paddle 11:11 < Snafu> no they are going after thos offerring downloads 11:12 < Damascene> so they can never go after those who just download (vs uploaders?) 11:12 < Snafu> meraly having them ... of you dont offer them they cant tought you 11:12 < Damascene> ah 11:12 < Damascene> interseting 11:12 < Damascene> but i dont' think i'll tell my brother anyway 11:12 < Damascene> he'll just eat up more bandwidth if i do 11:12 < Damascene> ;) 11:12 < Snafu> its not like owning a bag of pot ... they have to catch you giving it out to others 11:13 < jjjj> the possession isnt the crime 11:14 < Damascene> wow 11:14 < Damascene> so it's time to short SCO stock again? 11:15 -!- AndyPZS [~root@200.69.20.35] has joined #ltsp 11:15 < AndyPZS> hello peops 11:15 < AndyPZS> hello arkadi 11:15 < Snafu> This is very important. Linux customers are being asked to pay money as a direct result of the threat by SCO that they may be liable for copyright and other IP violations. They are also being asked not to do business with Linux distributors for the same reasons. Yet there is no plausible basis for a customer's liability to SCO even if the copyright and trade secrete allegations were true. 11:15 < MetaCosm> Snafu: you forget 11:15 < MetaCosm> that license != own 11:15 < Damascene> them, what is the big deal about microsoft indemnifying users? 11:16 < Snafu> MetaCosm so ? again the crime is in the copying not the having .. 11:16 < MetaCosm> Snafu: wrong, in many licenses, both are a crime 11:16 * morfic notices how the insult scrolled out the screen already 11:16 * morfic pouts 11:16 < Snafu> MetaCosm http://lamlaw.com/DOJvsMicrosoft/WrapAndFlow.html 11:16 < Snafu> lawyer he explains it there 11:17 < Damascene> actually Snafu, i dont' think what you said is true necessarily. 11:17 < Snafu> Meta MS EULA extends copyright law .. but what if you never saw any EULA ? exactly 11:17 < Damascene> i think that little 'eula' most people agree to says "we won't indemnify you". 11:18 < Snafu> under copy right law ... having is no crime 11:18 < Snafu> its the act of the copy that is the violation 11:18 < Damascene> i'm not sure if i agree. 11:18 < Damascene> so you are saying if someone has 5000 copies of microsoft windows advanced server 11:18 < morfic> which product can you use w/o a EULA nowadays? 11:18 < Snafu> if you are not copying you commit no crime 11:18 < MetaCosm> Damascene: snafu is right 11:18 < Damascene> and microsoft asks you to cease and desist using them 11:19 < Damascene> you can say "nyah nyah, you didn't see me" 11:19 < MetaCosm> "copyright" law specifically relates to the making of copies. 11:19 < MetaCosm> now, once you get that labelled as stolen/illegal property 11:19 < Damascene> well, okay then what 'law' is piracy in regards to? 11:19 < MetaCosm> it can be siezed 11:19 < Damascene> because I know companies in which it took one whistle blower to force a company to buy 50 licenses of autocad. 11:20 < MetaCosm> yep, very true, the person who purchased the book/etc 11:20 < MetaCosm> can't "know" it is illegal 11:20 < MetaCosm> else they are fully responsible 11:20 < Snafu> if you got yours without any eula such as the case with an mp3 or linux code ( thats why winblows has it in the program .. so trhat even illigal copies bind the user into the EULA 11:20 < AndyPZS> i dont understand nothing, what is the big deal? 11:20 < Snafu> then they are restricted to copyright law 11:20 < AndyPZS> can somebody tell me? 11:20 < Damascene> MetaCosm: hold on, so you are saying teh scenario I described isn't true? 11:21 < Snafu> and since mp3's amd linux code has no eula since the user will never bind himself to any eula ... then only copyright law applies .. 11:22 < MetaCosm> Damascene: the company KNEW they shouldn't have 50 free copies of autocad 11:22 < Snafu> and under plain copyright law that a user of mp3;s or linux is under then suit for simple possession is not allowed 11:22 < MetaCosm> Damascene: just as I know if I buy a copy or win2k adv server for 1 dollar from a street vender it isn't legal 11:22 < MetaCosm> it is responablility 11:22 < Damascene> MetaCosm: okay, so you buy it, now what happens? 11:22 < Damascene> i mean 11:22 < Damascene> the company has these 50 copies, now what? 11:22 < MetaCosm> I don't have a right to it 11:22 < MetaCosm> they are illegal... they get a choice 11:23 < Damascene> but wait... no one saw you copy the 50 copies... no one saw anyone copy th 50 . 11:23 < MetaCosm> get rid of it, or pay for it 11:23 < MetaCosm> Damascene: doesn't matter 11:23 < MetaCosm> the company can look at its books 11:23 < MetaCosm> and can't show payment 11:23 < Damascene> so it's nto a copyright violation, it's a "theft/illegal property" violation? 11:23 < Snafu> MetaCosm and when you install it the EULA comes up .. and binds you to obligations beyond copyright law .. ( thats the basis anyway, agree or not ) 11:23 < MetaCosm> and the EULA for autocad says they have a right to audit your company. 11:24 < MetaCosm> Snafu: yes, the EULA gives them rights to audit and so forth, but just having illegal (stolen/copyright infringment) material means that the state can take it from you, even if you paid for it. 11:24 < MetaCosm> If you knew. 11:24 < MetaCosm> bbl 11:24 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 11:24 < Snafu> but use of linux or a downloaded mp3 will never confront you with an EULA like a bootleg winblows cdrom will .. and so only plain copyright applies and so simple posession is not prosicutable .. 11:25 < Damascene> oh 11:25 < Snafu> and for that reason sco is blowing smoke up our ass where users are conserned 11:26 < Snafu> well untill you make a copy for somebody .. then they could getcha 11:26 < Snafu> course that assumes their charges have merit 11:26 < Snafu> IBM's lic was with the original holder att ... and their by - letter specifically allowws IBM to do what sco accuses them of doing 11:26 < Snafu> so why dont they just shut the fuck up already 11:28 < Snafu> http://lamlaw.com/DOJvsMicrosoft/WrapAndFlow.html 11:28 < Snafu> anyhow his take is good scroll down a bit ... 11:29 < jjjj> Another aspect of trade secret law is important. You do have to finger the dude who did it. Being in possession of trade secret material is not a violation. Passing the material on is NOT another trade secret violation either because at that point the secret is out. Once the cat is out of the bag, the cat is out of the bag. And, you can not put the cat back into the bag no matter what you do. How can you undo the release of a secret? No doubt the governments 11:29 < Snafu> and if you have it its no longer a secret 11:30 -!- arkadi_ [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has joined #ltsp 11:30 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@trap.mebius.lv] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:30 < Snafu> http://radio.weblogs.com/0120124/ 11:30 -!- arkadi_ is now known as arkadi 11:30 < Snafu> Stephen Shankland is reporting that IBM has filed a ountersuit today. No details yet, but I'm working on it. 11:31 < Snafu> Wait, someone just posted this in the comments section. 11:31 < Snafu> The article says IBM says SCO is violating their patents and 11:31 < Snafu> it stands on the GPL. Oh my, oh my, it doesn't get any 11:31 < Snafu> better than that: 11:32 < Snafu> muahahahahah !!!!!!! 11:32 < jjjj> Snafu: there is blurb on it at the top of the wrapandflow page 11:33 < Snafu> In a 45-page document filed late Wednesday, IBM argues that because SCO distributed a version of Linux under the open-source General Publi License (GPL), it can't claim that Linux software is proprietary. IBM also argues that SCO software violates four IBM patents and that the company interfered with IBM's business by saying it had terminated IBM's right to ship a Unix product, AIX. 11:33 < Snafu> http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5060965.html 11:33 < jjjj> i dont think sco has enough fingers to keep all the holes in the dyke stopped up now 11:34 < Snafu> hell its just getting started 11:34 < Snafu> The patent claims will be expensive to handle, said Brian Ferguson, an 11:34 < Snafu> attorney with McDermott, Will & Emery. "That's a real smart move by 11:34 < Snafu> IBM," he said. "I think that alone could cause some kind of early 11:34 < Snafu> settlement negotiations that are going to really swing the pendulum 11:34 < Snafu> around in IBM's favor, or at least to a situation of equipoise." 11:35 < Snafu> hehehehe 11:37 < Snafu> "" IBM is apparently suing SCO for violating the GPL directly. "" 11:37 < Snafu> i didnt expect that .. 11:37 < Damascene> Snafu: WOW that's a very good article 11:37 < Damascene> it's true, when you sell rights, soemtimesyou RESERVE the rights to yourself as well 11:37 < Damascene> man at least SCO will go out with a bang 11:37 < Damascene> instead of it's slow demise 11:38 < Damascene> as the "commercial x86 unix that got it's ass kicked by *bsd and linux"....... 11:38 < Damascene> now it will die as the "stubborn, jealous x86 unix that got it's ass kicked by big blue and redhat" 11:39 < Snafu> "" SCO has some very real serious legal problems right now. "" 11:39 < Snafu> heheheh 11:43 -!- Comete [~Comete@dyn-213-36-180-56.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ltsp 11:44 < Comete> hi 11:44 < arkadi> hi 11:44 < Comete> i'm going to try ltsp 11:45 < Comete> is it possible to enable sound on stations ? 11:45 < Snafu> yes.. its a hack tho .. a 4m mp3 uncompressed is 40 megs of data .. 11:46 < Snafu> pipe 40 megs over the wire ? hope your network is fast 11:46 < Comete> that's right :( 11:47 < Comete> i'm a bit stupid 11:47 < ayanami> hi all... 11:48 < Comete> hi ayanami 11:48 -!- mode/#ltsp [+o ayanami] by ChanServ 11:48 -!- Topic for #ltsp: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ || LTSP is Linux World SF 2003's "Best Open Source Project" 11:48 -!- Topic set by ayanami [Tue Aug 5 18:59:07 2003] 11:48 -!- ayanami changed the topic of #ltsp to: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ || LTSP is Linux World SF 2003's "Best Open Source Project" || Welcome LTSP 4 Users! 11:51 < arkadi> ayanami: pastebot is not functional 11:52 < arkadi> we use pastebin.com, angry #php guys will be here soon.. 11:53 < morfic> ? 12:19 -!- Comete [~Comete@dyn-213-36-180-56.ppp.tiscali.fr] has quit ["Client fermé"] 12:23 -!- bails [~bails@modem-350.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 12:26 -!- root_ [~root@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 12:27 < root_> hi there? 12:29 < root_> anyone at sf? 12:29 < AndyPZS> hi root_ 12:29 < root_> kinda new at this, i think signing in as root probably gives that away though... 12:30 < root_> just visitied the booth in SF yesterday. i thought the project was outstanding. 12:34 < jammcq_lwce> hey kids 12:34 -!- g-paiva_lunch is now known as g-paiva 12:35 < morfic> hey jammcq_lwce 12:35 < jammcq_lwce> Linux World is rocking and rolling 12:35 -!- ltsp [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 12:35 < ltsp> hi 12:35 < jammcq_lwce> hello ltsp 12:35 < morfic> so after the 7 minute install where are the docs to follow for setup or will the old one work? 12:36 -!- ltsp [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:36 < morfic> i guess the client works ;P 12:36 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.27.30] has joined #ltsp 12:36 < carlos> hi 12:36 < jammcq_lwce> morfic: no docs yet, but the ltsp-3 docs are pretty close 12:36 < morfic> k 12:36 < carlos> hi there jammcq_lwce 12:37 < jammcq_lwce> hello carlos 12:37 < morfic> i was impressed by your installer, i havent looked at it, will it have some sort of mirror-select later on to optimize install times? 12:37 -!- Pan [~pan_the_m@sj-natpool-220.cisco.com] has joined #ltsp 12:37 < carlos> jammcq_lwce did you get a trophy or something for the "Best Open Source Project"? 12:37 -!- root_ [~root@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 12:37 < jammcq_lwce> morfic: yep, it sure will 12:37 < jammcq_lwce> carlos: yes, we got a real cool trophy 12:38 < jammcq_lwce> we'll try to get a picture of it up on the web 12:38 -!- andy4866 [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 12:38 < morfic> cool 12:38 < carlos> Im looking forward to see it 12:38 < morfic> (to the mirror select part) 12:38 < morfic> to the trophy i can only congratulate 12:38 < jammcq_lwce> :) 12:39 -!- andy4866 [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:39 -!- Pan [~pan_the_m@sj-natpool-220.cisco.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:39 -!- Pan [~pan_the_m@sj-natpool-220.cisco.com] has joined #ltsp 12:40 < carlos> isnt there a related url? 12:41 < morfic> gentoo users say AYE! 12:41 < jammcq_lwce> carlos: i'm working on it right now 12:41 < carlos> ohhh hehe thanks ;) 12:41 < carlos> AYE 12:42 < jjjj> what is the difference between 3 and four 12:42 < carlos> 4 is compiled 12:42 < carlos> 4 is compiled on your system, 3 is binary 12:42 < jammcq_lwce> jjjj: new installation tool and configuration tool. MUCH easier to install 12:43 < jjjj> i hacked my stuff so bad to get it what i wanted to do anyway 12:44 < carlos> jammcq_lwce do you need spanish translation help on 4`s documentation or something? are the installation and configuration tools xml translatable or something? 12:47 -!- Pan [~pan_the_m@sj-natpool-220.cisco.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/7]"] 12:48 -!- AndyPZS [~root@200.69.20.35] has quit ["Read error: 1.732050808 (Excessive square root of 3)"] 12:51 < morfic> 4 is a snap to install, kinda scary actually 12:51 < jammcq_lwce> yeah :) 12:51 < morfic> 4 compiled stuff? you sure? 7 minutes doesnt leave much time for compiling 12:51 < morfic> i fetched at 140K/s only 12:52 < jammcq_lwce> carlos: yeah, we need lots of help with translation, but i've got to get the english docs comleted first 12:52 -!- jenny [~jenny@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 12:56 -!- bails [~bails@modem-350.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 12:57 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-142-4.biz.rr.com] has joined #LTSP 12:58 < gola> Message 8240 of 12336 bytes too small 13:01 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 13:03 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:04 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["now going out ..."] 13:05 -!- stevnblinux [~guest@216.89.15.55] has joined #ltsp 13:08 < Snafu> I just spoke with Trink Guarino at IBM, who informed me that the SCO/IBM contract regarding AIX, which SCO claims they terminated, was a three-party contract, the third party being Novell, and that Novell sent a letter to SCO disputing their right to terminate IBM's AIX license. 13:08 < Snafu> http://radio.weblogs.com/0120124/ 13:09 -!- sombat [~sombat@pppBKK-147-143.pacific.net.th] has joined #ltsp 13:09 < sombat> hi 13:10 < sombat> I have problem with sound on work station 13:10 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.27.30] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 13:11 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-113.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 13:14 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 13:16 < sombat> I use ltsp_sound-3.0.1-i386 13:16 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:17 < paperclip> sombat: which distro? 13:17 < sombat> when I compli It has many error 13:18 < sombat> but I check lib that packge need my server have every lib 13:18 < paperclip> oh? 13:18 < paperclip> which distro are you using on the server 13:19 < sombat> what distro ? 13:19 < paperclip> YES!!! WHAT DISTRO!! =) 13:19 < paperclip> distribution.. i.e. Red Hat 9.0 13:20 < sombat> sorry 13:20 < sombat> I use SuSe8.0 13:20 < paperclip> hmm.. 13:20 < sombat> I have err file 13:20 < paperclip> from the install script? 13:21 < sombat> yes 13:21 < paperclip> is it large? 13:22 < sombat> example ldconfig: Can't stat /opt/kde/lib:No such file or dirctory 13:22 < paperclip> hmm odd.. 13:23 < paperclip> so you are using kde then? 13:24 < sombat> but The last process this message has occur " Installation *Complete* 13:24 < sombat> yes I use kde 13:24 < sombat> yes I use kde3 13:25 < arkadi> i think kde doesn't matter, it just left of in server config and ldconfig is called by install.sh.. whats the real problem is? 13:25 < paperclip> you should probably ignore those ldconfig messages.. 13:26 < paperclip> i get several when i run ldconfig -v 13:26 < paperclip> which is what the script does.. 13:27 -!- jenny [~jenny@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:27 -!- jenny [~jenny@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 13:29 -!- jenny [~jenny@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:30 -!- jenny [~jenny@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 13:39 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 13:40 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has joined #ltsp 13:40 < msinhore> fdf 13:40 < msinhore> hello all 13:44 < msinhore> exist a application for control access of the Xwindows session for ltsp what allows to know me and to see what the users are using through one file? 13:45 < msinhore> file gif or jpg? 13:45 -!- sombat [~sombat@pppBKK-147-143.pacific.net.th] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:46 < msinhore> the x0rfbserver is for this? 13:49 -!- sombat [~sombat@pppBKK-147-80.pacific.net.th] has joined #ltsp 13:50 < arkadi> x0frb can control remote X, there is also xwd/xwud (man xwd for details) 13:52 < sombat> hi 13:52 < sombat> my internet lost 13:52 < sombat> Paperclip are you here 13:53 < paperclip> yes 13:53 < sombat> please tell me again about ldconfig -v 13:53 < paperclip> run it 13:54 * arkadi is away: need to fix machinegun 13:54 < jjjj> machine gun? 13:54 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:54 < paperclip> try running ldconfig -v from the root prompt.. 13:55 < paperclip> you should see some similar error output 13:55 < paperclip> which sound daemon are you trying to use? esd or nasd? 14:00 < sombat> ok some error occur has same I run ./install.sh on ltsp_sound 14:01 < sombat> How I correct this problem 14:02 < sombat> paperclip I should change ditro or correct this problem 14:03 < paperclip> which sound daemon are you trying to use? esd or nasd??!?! 14:05 < sombat> nasd 14:06 < paperclip> ok.. can you start the client in runlevel 3 14:06 < sombat> ok 14:06 < paperclip> change the runlevel in lts.conf 14:07 < sombat> wait minut for change my lts.conf 14:09 < sombat> ok It already 14:09 < paperclip> ok 14:09 < paperclip> at the root prompt on the client type set.. 14:09 < paperclip> set 14:09 < paperclip> and see if your AUDIOSERVER is set 14:09 < paperclip> and the LD_PRELOAD stuff 14:11 < sombat> many line 14:11 < sombat> but not see AUDIOSERVER and LD_PRELOAD 14:12 -!- ^^bunnyo [~vircuser@h24-82-182-88.va.shawcable.net] has joined #ltsp 14:14 -!- ^^bunnyo [~vircuser@h24-82-182-88.va.shawcable.net] has left #ltsp [] 14:14 < paperclip> ok.. on the server try ls -l /etc/profile.d/ 14:15 -!- jenny [~jenny@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:15 < sombat> ok 14:16 < sombat> I can see many file on /etc/profile.d 14:16 < sombat> and 14:16 < paperclip> you see the ltsp script? 14:17 < sombat> if you mean ltsp-sound.sh I can see 14:17 < paperclip> yes 14:17 < sombat> ok I see 14:17 < paperclip> hmm.. 14:24 < sombat> on serve I use export "AUDIOSERVER = cl8:0" and go to /tmp/ltsp/ltsp_sound/nasbins/ ./auinfo 14:24 < sombat> this message has occur " unable to connect to audio server " 14:26 * arkadi is back (gone 00:32:21) 14:28 -!- stevnblinux [~guest@216.89.15.55] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:29 < sombat> paperclip please send your lts.conf to me if you can 14:33 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 14:34 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.55] has joined #ltsp 14:38 < sombat> paperclip are you here 14:45 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.27.30] has joined #ltsp 14:50 < sombat> I have problem with sound on work station 14:50 < sombat> I have problem with sound on work station 14:50 < sombat> I have problem with sound on work station 14:50 < sombat> I have problem with sound on work station 14:50 < sombat> please hlep me 14:51 < carlos> sombat come back later when someone who knows about sound can help you, I have ltsp but I have never installed sound 14:51 -!- jjjj [~jjjj@216.174.41.86] has quit [] 14:54 < sombat> good idea carlos 14:54 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.27.30] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:55 -!- habbe [habbe@habbe.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 14:58 -!- habbe [habbe@habbe.usercloak.freenode] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:08 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 15:14 -!- gola [smedse01@shell.netikka.fi] has quit ["changing server"] 15:15 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:15 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has joined #ltsp 15:26 -!- sombat [~sombat@pppBKK-147-80.pacific.net.th] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:44 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has joined #ltsp 15:44 < prpplague> jammcq_lwce: ping 15:44 < prpplague> jammcq_lwce: could you ask ron to re-send his contact info the group in honduras needs it again 15:44 < prpplague> jammcq_lwce: thanks 15:57 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-113.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 15:59 -!- budgester [~budgester@82-45-230-95.cable.ubr05.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 16:01 < budgester> anyone had sucess getting a scanner working on K12LTSP ? 16:02 -!- madctrl [~madctrl@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:02 < prpplague> budgester: barcode or image? 16:04 < budgester> image scanner 16:06 < budgester> parallel port, i've downloaded the package on the website, and the kernel module, but i need to compile it against the terminal kernel source i think 16:06 < prpplague> budgester: there are some detail docs on the ltsp site for getting networked sane running 16:06 < budgester> that is unless the kitchen sink kernel has the module i'm after compiled in 16:06 < prpplague> budgester: in addition the sane web site has more info on get networked sane running 16:06 < budgester> it's getting the scanner recognised on the terminal that i'm having issues with at the moment 16:07 < prpplague> budgester: ya well, i always build my own kernels so i can't help you on the standard kernels on the ltsp site 16:08 < budgester> ah right, do you use the same kernel for the server as well as the clients ? 16:10 -!- andy4866 [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 16:10 < budgester> just realised that i can have different kernels going to various clients, i'd just need to specify it in the dhcp.conf file 16:11 -!- andy4866beach [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 16:13 -!- andy4866 [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:13 -!- andy4866beach [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:19 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4"] 16:22 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:49 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:59 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 17:00 -!- madctrl [~madctrl@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 17:00 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:02 < madctrl> problem.. when installing kernel 3.0.10 i get an "Copying of modules failed, errno=2" error when running the setup script 17:09 -!- budgester [~budgester@82-45-230-95.cable.ubr05.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:10 < madctrl> can anyone send me the default dhcpd.conf from k12ltsp 3.1.1? 17:12 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit ["restarting X"] 17:24 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 17:37 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.37.125] has joined #ltsp 17:40 < madctrl> I have a problem with tftp in slackware. I've activated it in /etc/inetd.conf and restarted inetd but it won't work. When i try "nc localhost 69" I get connection refused. If anyone know what could be the problem, please /msg me, i'm going to sleep now 17:41 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:15 -!- EnigmaX- [~EnigmaX@pcp03438900pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 18:26 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has joined #ltsp 18:26 < msinhore> hello all. 18:28 < msinhore> I have a problem (as previously:-) with performace of the graphical terminals. 18:29 -!- jenny [~jenny@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 18:30 < jenny> anyone else noticed a problem with the setup script (part of ltsp_core-3.0.9) for redhat 9? it shows an error on line 76 of redhat-9.sh 18:30 < msinhore> I want start 3 Xwindows server and to distribute workstations on the servers. 18:31 -!- lucas [lucas@202.45.126.237] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:34 < msinhore> I want only 1 dhcp server, 1 tftp server, 1 repository of the kernel and 1 nfs server for start the basic system and when start the Xwindows I want to divide the task between the 3. 18:34 < msinhore> how I make this? 18:35 < msinhore> what the demon I need start on the others servers Xwindows? 18:37 < jenny> seems like noone is home today 18:46 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip37-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 18:48 < jenny> anyone else noticed a problem with the setup script (part of ltsp_core-3.0.9) for redhat 9? it shows an error on line 76 of redhat-9.sh 18:56 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-209-230-75.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 19:01 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.37.125] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:08 -!- jenny [~jenny@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 19:13 -!- lucas [lucas@202.45.126.237] has joined #ltsp 19:16 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has left #ltsp [] 19:20 < lucas> has there been an announcement yet? 19:20 * lucas quivers with anticipation. 19:20 < lucas> August 7, 2003 - LTSP-4.0 beta1 now available in binary and source form 19:20 * lucas cheers enthusiastically. 19:37 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip37-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:40 -!- bintut [~bintut@203.215.79.195] has joined #ltsp 19:57 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-209-230-75.client.attbi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:00 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit ["foobarbaz"] 20:01 -!- Zeus [~jonathan@164.77.148.44] has joined #ltsp 20:11 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 20:37 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 20:44 < Snafu> "" And finally, a song of praise to the GPL. It's shining hour has arrived. And it is shining manfully. If you were longing for the GPL to have its day in court, you just got it. It is leading the charge. "" 20:44 < Snafu> http://radio.weblogs.com/0120124/ 20:48 < monkeydiver> yep sure is, IBM looks like the are using the GPL significantly as part of their suit against SCO 21:00 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-209-230-75.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 21:17 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: no_paste, manimay__, NoUse, TheLaw, Vee2d2, pattieja, robbie, bintut, jammcq_lwce, t0m, (+27 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 21:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: DrEvil, t0m, madctrl, monkeydiver, bintut, kVanQue 21:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ, Yngwie, jond3rd, robbie, lucas, NoUse, arc, Zeus, EnigmaX-, blusyit (+21 more) 21:21 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 21:22 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 21:32 -!- flux_ltsp [kagoryu@210.23.101.230] has joined #ltsp 21:32 < flux_ltsp> hello 21:33 < flux_ltsp> be1 knows how to solve the access violation error in tftp ? 21:35 < jond3rd> flux_ltsp, hey :) 21:39 < flux_ltsp> heheh 21:39 < flux_ltsp> still nodda jon 22:03 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip37-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 22:13 -!- bjohnson_ [~bjohnson@ip38-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 22:16 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip37-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:23 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:28 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 22:36 -!- Zeus [~jonathan@164.77.148.44] has quit ["bye"] 22:40 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-209-230-75.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:43 -!- flux_ltsp [kagoryu@210.23.101.230] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:57 -!- sveltegeek [~jbilbro@n223-109-141-208.tranquility.net] has joined #ltsp 22:59 < sveltegeek> Quick question from a newb 22:59 < sveltegeek> what do I need to do to install ltsp-4 23:00 < sveltegeek> I already have 3 installed now 23:00 < sveltegeek> do I have to uninstall anything? 23:03 -!- bjohnson_ [~bjohnson@ip38-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:09 < bintut> gtg 23:09 * bintut waves/ 23:09 < bintut> thanks to all.. 23:09 -!- bintut [~bintut@203.215.79.195] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 23:11 -!- WX [~chris@12-234-7-83.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 23:13 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:15 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:18 < WX> hey anyone here? 23:20 < morfic> no 23:25 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:27 -!- arnelgp [~arnelgp@203.177.1.3] has joined #ltsp 23:28 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 23:28 < keyur> hi 23:32 < arnelgp> jond3rd: : are you der? 23:32 < jond3rd> arnelgp, yeah, what's up buddy? 23:33 < sveltegeek> Do I need to unintall anything to upgrade to 4? 23:37 < arnelgp> jond3rd: i have problem with my server 23:38 < arnelgp> jond3rd: all of my iuser cant login in my server except root 23:38 < arnelgp> jond3rd: it can login in text mode but not in xwindows or graphical 23:39 < jond3rd> arnelgp, what wm are you usnig? 23:40 < arnelgp> jond3rd: im using icewm 23:40 < arnelgp> jond3rd: the root of this problem was i have a student who is my Network Assistant 23:41 < arnelgp> then when i have notice that he is trying to mess up doing nasty in ltsp server 23:42 < jond3rd> I mean whan desktop manager are you using? 23:42 -!- sveltegeek [~jbilbro@n223-109-141-208.tranquility.net] has quit [] 23:42 < arnelgp> becuase i was so upset .. i was thinking to set my / to chmod 755 23:42 < arnelgp> but i accidentally make it chmod 777 / 23:42 < jond3rd> arnelgp, OUCH 23:43 < arnelgp> the desktop is kdm 23:43 < arnelgp> kde i mean 23:43 < arnelgp> so i email jim what to do to put back everything to normal 23:43 < arnelgp> he told the deafault si 0755 23:43 < arnelgp> and i did that 23:44 < arnelgp> but still i my workstation would boot 23:44 < arnelgp> but an ordinary cant login except root 23:44 < arnelgp> it has xwidnows running in workstation 23:44 < arnelgp> but not in the server 23:45 < arnelgp> in the server no xwindow display i can only login tru text mode. 23:47 < arnelgp> jond3rd: this is the error message when i login in workstation as a normal user 23:47 < arnelgp> Aug 8 12:51:05 server kde(pam_unix)[1511]: session opened for user ws1 by (uid=0) 23:47 < arnelgp> Aug 8 12:51:05 server kde(pam_unix)[1511]: session closed for user ws1 23:47 < arnelgp> it will open but it will close 23:50 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-209-230-75.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 23:54 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:55 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp --- Day changed Fri Aug 08 2003 00:01 < Snafu> (uid=0) = root 00:03 < arnelgp> Snafu: how can i set it back to users? 00:03 < arnelgp> i cant understand why it becomes uid=0 well in fact it will be the users uid right? 00:07 < fluxbox> why is it taking the client to download the kernel ? 00:08 < fluxbox> i mean, all i get are 5 dots 00:08 < fluxbox> oh, taking a long time to download the kernel 00:24 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 00:26 -!- ccjoe_lt [~joeg@www.clearcore.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 00:41 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-209-230-75.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 00:42 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 00:47 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:48 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:49 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:57 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:58 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:58 -!- flux_ltsp [kagoryu@210.23.101.230] has joined #ltsp 00:58 -!- bill_c [~bill@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 01:07 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:08 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:16 -!- sombat [~sombat@pppBKK-147-244.pacific.net.th] has joined #ltsp 01:16 < sombat> hi 01:17 < sombat> I have problem with sound on LTSP please help me 01:17 < sombat> I have problem with sound on LTSP please help me 01:17 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:18 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:20 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has joined #ltsp 01:27 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:28 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:32 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:33 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:37 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:37 -!- lucas [lucas@202.45.126.237] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 01:38 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:39 -!- flux_ltsp [kagoryu@210.23.101.230] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1"] 01:42 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:45 < sombat> I have problem with sound on LTSP please help me 01:47 -!- bails [~bails@modem-544.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 01:47 -!- bails [~bails@modem-544.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 01:54 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:19 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.166.36] has joined #ltsp 02:19 -!- bails [~bails@modem-544.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 02:19 -!- bails [~bails@modem-544.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 02:20 < exobyte> does anyone have an idea why most of my wms lock up after kdm brings them up? (I'm later taken back to the kdm login screen) 02:29 < exobyte> I'm sorry, has someone answered my question- I'm still trying to figure out irssi 02:29 -!- sombat_ [~sombat@pppBKK-147-216.pacific.net.th] has joined #ltsp 02:47 -!- sombat [~sombat@pppBKK-147-244.pacific.net.th] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:01 -!- yes [~No@80.97.210.28] has joined #ltsp 03:01 < yes> hi all 03:03 < yes> hi jammcq 03:04 < sombat_> hi 03:04 < sombat_> I have problem with sound on LTSP please help me you can help me 03:07 -!- madctrl [~madctrl@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:07 < yes> jammcq_lwce: any news about new pxe kernel? 03:25 -!- kyelewis [~kye@220.240.70.107] has joined #ltsp 03:25 < kyelewis> heyas 03:37 < sombat_> hi kyelewis 03:38 * kyelewis is looking at some thin-client stuff 03:49 -!- sombat_ [~sombat@pppBKK-147-216.pacific.net.th] has quit ["Client exiting"] 03:52 -!- Bobla [~Grapevine@castlehigh.plus.com] has joined #ltsp 03:56 < Bobla> It's my first time here, am I connected? Start with a dumb question :-) 04:00 < kyelewis> lol 04:00 < kyelewis> well... you could get dumber... i think ;) 04:15 < Bobla> Thanks, that is all I needed to know. Cheers, Bob. 04:19 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.166.36] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:20 < Bobla> Bye for now and thanks again. 04:20 -!- Bobla [~Grapevine@castlehigh.plus.com] has left #ltsp [] 04:28 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:30 -!- lanius [heino@p508E10A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 04:34 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 04:45 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 05:03 -!- hdaalz [~hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 05:30 -!- lanius [heino@p508E10A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta3 "CVS""] 05:56 -!- misato [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 06:13 -!- kyelewis is now known as kyelewis_away 06:15 -!- mode/#ltsp [+o misato] by ChanServ 06:15 -!- mode/#ltsp [-o ayanami] by misato 06:15 -!- mode/#ltsp [+o ayanami] by ChanServ 06:15 -!- ayanami was kicked from #ltsp by misato [misato] 06:16 -!- ayanami [ayanami@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 06:16 -!- Topic for #ltsp: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ || LTSP is Linux World SF 2003's "Best Open Source Project" || Welcome LTSP 4 Users! 06:16 -!- Topic set by ayanami [Thu Aug 7 11:50:35 2003] 06:16 [Users #ltsp] 06:16 [@misato ] [ EnigmaX- ] [ jond3rd ] [ morfic ] [ pr0m ] [ TrAnCeFX] 06:16 [ arc ] [ Faithful ] [ keyur ] [ Mundy_ ] [ remote ] [ tripz__ ] 06:16 [ arnelgp ] [ Fat|Pictures] [ kungfuftr ] [ no_paste ] [ robbie ] [ Vee2d2 ] 06:16 [ ayanami ] [ fluxbox ] [ kVanQue ] [ oh207 ] [ signal11] [ WX ] 06:16 [ blusyit ] [ gola ] [ kyelewis_away] [ OOps[x86]] [ SmilieZ ] [ yes ] 06:16 [ ccjoe ] [ hdaalz ] [ macros ] [ paperclip] [ Snafu ] [ Yngwie ] 06:16 [ Damascene] [ jahroots ] [ manimay__ ] [ parsley ] [ t0m ] 06:16 [ DrEvil ] [ jammcq_lwce ] [ mistik1 ] [ pattieja ] [ TheLaw ] 06:16 -!- Irssi: #ltsp: Total of 46 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 45 normal] 06:16 -!- Channel #ltsp created Sun Aug 3 16:30:45 2003 06:16 -!- Irssi: Join to #ltsp was synced in 1 secs 06:19 <@misato> lwce was great 06:20 -!- kyelewis_away [~kye@220.240.70.107] has quit [] 06:36 < keyur> hi 06:41 <@misato> hi... 06:41 -!- mode/#ltsp [-o misato] by misato 07:16 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 07:16 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 07:17 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 07:23 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [] 07:26 -!- desin [desin@219.95.5.236] has joined #ltsp 07:27 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 07:27 < desin> hi... 07:28 -!- yes [~No@80.97.210.28] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 07:28 < misato> hi 07:28 < desin> i'm wondering... if i've configured ltsp, can i use my local pc lpt/serial port? 07:28 < misato> yes 07:29 < desin> yes ?? mean i can ?? 07:29 < misato> yes you can using parallel and serial on the clients 07:29 < misato> it's a setting in the configuration 07:30 < desin> how about if i need to use lpt/serial on the server???? 07:31 < desin> ~eeeem... i haven't try it yet.. but will try to install ltsp tomorrow. ~wish me luck 07:31 < misato> you still can use it on the server too 07:31 < desin> which free distro is the best for ltsp and server (mainly database) available ? mandrake or redhat ?? 07:33 < misato> they're all free ;) 07:33 < misato> that's the idea of linux 07:33 < misato> but redhat is what you want 07:33 < misato> or k12ltsp for a school 07:33 < desin> k12ltsp ???? 07:34 < Damascene> k12ltsp is really neat 07:34 < Damascene> it's a redhat modified distribution 07:34 < Damascene> geared for diskless workstations 07:35 < desin> eeem.. which redhat version are they using ?? 07:36 < misato> 9 07:36 < misato> for 3.1.1 07:36 < desin> sorry for troubles... ~i really dump in this.. ~kaka.. 07:36 < misato> it will have LTSP 4 at some point too 07:37 < desin> ~sound great ?? 07:37 < desin> i'm wondering too.. will ltsp will alot of network resources ? 07:38 < desin> i do have a SMP (XEON) system... are them ship with smp-kernel too ??? 07:40 < misato> ltsp is fine on 10baseT 07:40 < misato> I wouldn't want to do a lot of clients on it 07:40 < misato> but, it works 07:41 < desin> ~sound great.. ;) 07:42 < desin> anyway, it's hard to install ltsp on mandrake 9.1 ? 07:44 < misato> nope 07:44 < misato> not too hard at all 07:44 < misato> bbiab 07:59 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has joined #ltsp 08:27 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 08:27 < misato> back 08:27 < misato> hey robbie 08:27 -!- misato is now known as jstraw 08:28 < robbie> hey 08:28 < jstraw> *by popular demand...* 08:28 < jstraw> LWCE was fun :) 08:28 < robbie> wheres jim ? 08:28 < jstraw> still on his way back 08:28 < robbie> you were there ? 08:28 < jstraw> he's taking his time 08:28 < jstraw> yea 08:28 < robbie> were people bowing at jims feet ? 08:28 < jstraw> I red eyed back home 08:28 < jstraw> haven't slept yet 08:28 < jstraw> not quite ;) 08:28 < jstraw> but there was a packed house for his session 08:28 < robbie> no ladies panties being thrown at him ? 08:29 < jstraw> you'd have to ask him :) 08:29 < jstraw> I was stuck booth babin :) 08:33 < robbie> an important job 08:34 < robbie> i had such a good time doing ym talk at lca 2003 i should offer to do it again 08:34 < jstraw> yea 08:34 < jstraw> hehe 08:34 < jstraw> jim was really busy 08:34 < robbie> the cheap bastards dont offer to help cover expenses 08:35 < jstraw> his PR lady kept dragging him around :) 08:35 < robbie> even thoug they make 100k off the event 08:35 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.55] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:50 -!- g-paiva is now known as g-paiva_away 08:53 -!- dennux [~dennis@212.205.118.254] has joined #ltsp 08:54 < dennux> Hello :-) 08:54 < dennux> i have a problem with dhclient .... 08:57 -!- petergr [~pedro@200.75.232.117] has joined #ltsp 08:58 -!- petergr [~pedro@200.75.232.117] has left #ltsp [] 08:58 < jstraw> dennux: what's up 08:59 < dennux> hi ,can you help ? 08:59 < jstraw> maybe 08:59 < jstraw> you gotta ask the question 09:00 < dennux> ok.. i have rh9 and ltsp 3.0.9 09:00 < dennux> the problem is that there is a second dhcpd runninig on my lan ... 09:01 < dennux> after the kernel load the dhclient connects always with the wrong dhcpd ! 09:02 < dennux> you know about this problem? i saw many posts aboout this. 09:03 < jstraw> what you want to do is run your own dhcp and keep ltsp boxes off the full network 09:03 < dennux> i am afraid that this is not possible. 09:04 < dennux> is there any kernel with dhclient connecting to non standart port? 09:05 < jstraw> no 09:06 < jstraw> dennux: setup the other dhcp server to ignore the ltsp mac 09:06 < jstraw> err mac addresses 09:06 < dennux> i dont have access to that server ... 09:06 < jstraw> then you have a problem 09:07 < dennux> is it possible my dhcpd to respond first ? 09:07 < jstraw> only if the box is faster 09:08 < dennux> no luck :-( 09:08 -!- loco [bgxmn@217.156.2.149] has joined #ltsp 09:09 < dennux> the dhclient.conf works .... 09:09 < dennux> ? 09:09 < loco> a forum must be made! 09:10 < dennux> a solution must be found! 09:10 < dennux> loco, do you have any ideas ? 09:11 < loco> no i'm new 09:12 < dennux> i dont remember having the same problem with my previous installation (rh8). 09:14 < jstraw> loco: we have here and a mailing list 09:14 < jstraw> we don't need another place at this point :) 09:14 < jstraw> what we got, works well :) 09:14 < jstraw> loco: most of us don't want to deal with a forum anyways 09:14 -!- dennux [~dennis@212.205.118.254] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 09:14 < loco> your right but... 09:15 < loco> you must say the same thing twice or more 09:15 < jstraw> we're writing an faq now 09:15 < jstraw> to help fix that 09:15 < jstraw> but we don't want it to be publically edited... 09:15 < jstraw> (we want to be able to control the answers tro something that we know is right 09:16 < loco> as you say 09:17 < loco> but I still believe that a form will be great... 09:17 < loco> anyway 09:18 < loco> i'm going to make a thinclient/ltsp network 09:19 < jstraw> loco: you would be about the only one using it 09:19 < jstraw> not to mention that forums are very bloated solutions 09:19 < jstraw> we don't have any space/processing 09:21 < loco> i'll help 09:22 < loco> i can contribute with a forum 09:22 < jstraw> can you not contribute here or on the Mailing list? 09:22 < loco> i can make one on forum.lp.ro 09:22 < jstraw> you should find jammcq_lwce when get gets back from lwcw 09:22 < jstraw> err lwce 09:23 < robbie> wewll im off to bed 09:23 < robbie> night all 09:23 < jstraw> cya robbie 09:23 -!- robbie is now known as robbie_zz 09:23 < loco> lp from linux projects 09:23 < loco> :P 09:24 -!- frame [~frame@gprs-14.uninet.ee] has joined #ltsp 09:24 < jstraw> yea, you still need to talk to jammcq 09:24 < jstraw> he makes the final decisions on all of it 09:25 -!- mode/#ltsp [+o jstraw] by ChanServ 09:25 -!- jjjj [~jjjj@216.174.41.86] has joined #ltsp 09:25 < loco> uh... 09:25 < frame> hi 09:25 < loco> when he's back? 09:25 -!- jstraw changed the topic of #ltsp to: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ || LTSP is Linux World SF 2003's "Best Open Source Project" || Welcome LTSP 4 Users! 09:25 <@jstraw> don't know... 09:26 < loco> if you see him 09:27 -!- JMClay [~jmc@162-169-173-216.electronet.net] has joined #ltsp 09:27 < loco> tell him about this forum 09:38 -!- EnigmaX- [~EnigmaX@pcp03438900pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:42 -!- manimay__ [~manimay@pD9544556.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:42 -!- manimay__ [~manimay@pD9544999.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 09:44 -!- macros_ [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has joined #ltsp 09:44 -!- macros [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:47 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:47 -!- bozo_ [~bozo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #ltsp 09:48 < bozo_> Anyone else have trouble compiling etherboot such that when used to boot you only 3ee 0000err..i have tried 5.08 5.0.9 5.0.10. Only on my lapoptop does it work properly 09:48 < bozo_> Tried a number iof floppies 09:50 -!- bozo_ [~bozo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has quit [Client Quit] 10:03 -!- bozo_ [~bozo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #ltsp 10:04 < bozo_> 0000Boot Err...Why do all floppies built on anything but my laptop fail this way 10:06 -!- bozo_ [~bozo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has quit [Client Quit] 10:09 < jjjj> something tells me bozo_ doesnt know how to use irc 10:15 < Snafu> McBride: What happen? 10:15 < Snafu> Ballmer: Somebody set up us the bitchslap. 10:15 < Snafu> BigBlue: How are you gentlemen!! 10:15 < Snafu> BigBlue: All your rights are belong to us. 10:17 < jjjj> lol 10:17 -!- trixie412 [baby08@AP-202-70-106-3.compass.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 10:19 -!- trixie412 is now known as nyophirdo 10:20 < Snafu> Now look at them SCO-yo's that's not the way to do it 10:20 < Snafu> They say we're infringing on their IP. 10:21 < Snafu> It ain't workin' the way they try to do it 10:21 < Snafu> They're getting nowhere, lawsuits ain't free. 10:21 <@jstraw> Snafu: hush 10:21 < Snafu> No it ain't workin', not the way they do it 10:21 <@jstraw> ya getting annyoing 10:21 <@jstraw> xp on the y 10:21 < Snafu> getting ? 10:21 < Snafu> im always annoying ... its my role 10:21 <@jstraw> Snafu: heh, getting implies warning :) 10:21 <@jstraw> annoying implys kick 10:21 <@jstraw> :) 10:22 <@jstraw> damn spelling 10:22 < Snafu> well if im not wanted here then im gone ... cheers asshole 10:22 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has left #LTSP [] 10:22 <@jstraw> yea!!!! 10:22 <@jstraw> I didn't have to do anything to get him to leave 10:25 < jjjj> lol 10:25 <@jstraw> he is so frelling annoying 10:27 -!- macros_ is now known as macros 10:30 -!- optiklenz [~jgabriel@4095.virtua.com.br] has joined #ltsp 10:31 < optiklenz> hello 10:31 < optiklenz> i have a diamond firegl in my workstation 10:31 < optiklenz> but 10:31 < optiklenz> de X doesnt work 10:32 < optiklenz> what ls 10:32 < optiklenz> skda 10:32 < optiklenz> what XFFREE_blabalbal i can use? 10:36 -!- frame [~frame@gprs-14.uninet.ee] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 10:38 <@jstraw> try auto? 10:38 < optiklenz> yeap 10:38 < optiklenz> i get it 10:38 < optiklenz> :D 10:38 <@jstraw> that worked? 10:38 -!- mode/#ltsp [-o jstraw] by jstraw 10:39 < optiklenz> no 10:39 < optiklenz> i change my video card 10:39 < optiklenz> huaehueauhae 10:39 < jstraw> ahh 10:40 < optiklenz> :D 10:40 < jstraw> you might need to look at an old version of redhat with it 10:40 < jstraw> and see what it uses with it 10:40 < optiklenz> yeah 10:40 < jstraw> (you might be able to use an X 3 server with it 10:40 < optiklenz> thanx :D 10:40 < nyophirdo> optiklenz : when i encounter such problem what i do is put a hdd on my thin client ... install linux and look at xf86config .... most probably there are modules that you need to install (LoadModule value in XF86Config) which u put in lts.conf 10:42 < morfic> you can always boot some livecd of a distro and hope its hardware detect finds the card, no need to have a hdd then 10:43 < jstraw> yea 10:43 < jstraw> hey morfic 10:43 < jstraw> LTSP4 Beta!!!! :) 10:44 < morfic> optik ok its a 3dlabs chip 10:44 -!- hdaalz [~hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:44 < morfic> you need XF86_3DLABS 10:45 < morfic> instead of auto, ill get you something else to try in a second should be supported in xfree4 too 10:45 < morfic> optik instead of "Auto" try "glint" 10:46 < morfic> if "glint" doesnt work try XF86_3DLABS 10:46 < morfic> ill have to head back to the bedroom closet that wishes to be torn down, whoever built that bitch didnt want it to fall apart, now im all hot and sweaty 10:46 < morfic> sorry if it was tmi 10:49 < morfic> jstraw: i shall try it soon :) 10:49 < nyophirdo> morfic : now thats what u call multitasking - helping people out solve their ltsp problems and tearing down closets at the same time ... cool! 10:50 < jstraw> nyophirdo: could be worse 10:50 < morfic> i try my best, ttyal, if not my wife will show me multitasking when she kicks my ass while calling a divorce lawyer ;P 10:50 < jstraw> I was trying to explain LTSP at LWCE and type on irc at the same time 10:51 < morfic> keep an eye on optiklenz, he might need help getting his refresh rates right, he got the tip for the modelines link, so you finish him up please 10:51 < morfic> jstraw: thats not multitaking, thats called rude from what my wife teaches me 10:52 < jstraw> lolololol 10:52 < morfic> s/taki/taski/ 10:52 * morfic is gone 10:54 -!- oh207 [~oh207@rrcs-nyc-24-105-142-4.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:57 * morfic puts on his safety boots from work to give it a kick 10:58 -!- desin [desin@219.95.5.236] has quit [] 11:01 < optiklenz> morfic: thanx :*** 11:05 < nyophirdo> gtg now ... its been fun being with you guys ... gud night everyone :) 11:06 < nyophirdo> morfic : goodluck on your closet crashing activity 11:06 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@AP-202-70-106-3.compass.com.ph] has quit ["its freakin hard 2 show every1 dat im doin juz fyn w/o u wen deep down insyd im not. and dat i have 2 smyl wen i can barely h] 11:06 < jstraw> ick 11:06 < jstraw> AOLesque 11:23 < morfic> hehe 11:23 < morfic> damn 11:23 < jjjj> what is AOLesque 11:23 < morfic> i get the side off and stuff 11:23 < morfic> <-- nyophirdo has quit ("its freakin hard 2 show every1 dat im doin juz fyn w/o u wen deep down insyd im not. and dat i have 2 smyl wen i can barely h) 11:24 < morfic> and there is no sheetrock behind the closet 11:24 < morfic> we thought the people who owned it added it 11:24 < morfic> looks like it was done long ago 11:24 < morfic> oh and my phone line whent down for a while when i tore some cable that ran through the closet 11:25 < jjjj> morfic: what exactly are you trying to do 11:26 < jjjj> modding your closest 11:26 < jjjj> ? 11:26 < morfic> removing it 11:27 < morfic> our room is too small for such a clunky hardly used roght closet 11:27 < morfic> damn now i have wood dust in my nose 11:27 < morfic> im gonna cry and sneeze and wez in a second 11:27 < jjjj> ewww 11:27 -!- ranger [~ranger@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has joined #ltsp 11:29 < jjjj> dont hurt yourself 11:29 < ranger> congrats all on the LW award, well deserved imho 11:30 < morfic> oh well back to my wood dust factory 11:30 < jjjj> maybe you should be wearing a dust mask 11:31 < morfic> too late 11:31 < morfic> i always forget 11:37 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 11:39 < jstraw> ranger: just wait for the pic 11:39 < jstraw> :) 11:40 < ranger> i was excited to see the new changes for ltsp4 11:40 < ranger> i cant wait, i need to get my systems in order and get ltsp back going here at home 11:40 < jstraw> hehe 11:41 < ranger> is that due out soon? 11:41 < jstraw> what? 11:42 < ranger> ltsp4 11:42 < jstraw> beta is out 11:42 < ranger> yeah, saw that 12:35 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.174.64] has joined #ltsp 12:35 < exobyte> how can I get sound it ltsp? 12:38 -!- monkeydiver [~deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 12:44 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.9.200] has joined #ltsp 12:44 < carlos> hi 12:47 -!- g-paiva_away [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["now going out ..."] 12:50 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:56 -!- ranger [~ranger@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:04 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:04 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 13:06 -!- JMClay [~jmc@162-169-173-216.electronet.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 13:22 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:25 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has joined #ltsp 13:26 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has joined #ltsp 13:28 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.9.200] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:40 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.174.64] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:40 < msinhore> exist a thin client whit low price for ltsp? 13:42 < msinhore> jammcq_Iwce: you work on the disklessworkstations.com? 13:43 -!- bails [~bails@ip03.eastoncomm.adsl.gxn.net] has joined #ltsp 13:43 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 13:43 -!- bails [~bails@ip03.eastoncomm.adsl.gxn.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:45 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.174.64] has joined #ltsp 13:46 < exobyte> I just installed the sound module. When 13:46 < exobyte> II booted, it got louder. What do I need to do to get xmms to be heard? 13:49 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:50 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.174.64] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:51 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-30-178.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 13:55 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 13:56 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.174.64] has joined #ltsp 13:57 < exobyte> sorry- I'm back 13:57 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has quit ["Finalizando Cliente"] 13:58 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.174.64] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:00 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:04 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.174.64] has joined #ltsp 14:05 < exobyte> Ok... I'm trying to download xmms-nas with apt-get but get some issues 14:05 -!- stockholm [~stockholm@p50857E6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 14:05 < stockholm> mornin' 14:06 < stockholm> Is someone around here who can explain why mknbi-ing my own .nbi files does not work? 14:07 -!- loco [bgxmn@217.156.2.149] has quit [] 14:09 < stockholm> leads to an NFS error... strange. 14:25 -!- msi [~t@p50807177.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 14:29 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-30-178.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 14:31 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 14:38 -!- msi [~t@p50807177.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:53 -!- jjjj [~jjjj@216.174.41.86] has quit [] 14:56 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has joined #ltsp 14:56 < prpplague> jammcq_lwce: ping 14:56 -!- fluxbox [~kagoryu@210.23.101.226] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 15:00 -!- fluxbox [~kagoryu@210.23.101.226] has joined #ltsp 15:09 < mistik1> prpplague: how goes it 15:09 -!- exobyte [~exobyte@66.242.174.64] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:09 < prpplague> mistik1: lol, shitty 15:09 < prpplague> mistik1: :( 15:09 < mistik1> oh man how come? 15:09 < mistik1> health? 15:09 < prpplague> mistik1: they closed the r&d department down 15:10 < mistik1> :-( 15:10 < mistik1> that sucks 15:10 < mistik1> so how do they plan for further development 15:10 < prpplague> mistik1: and they dropped all linux thin clients, going with winblows and terminal server 15:10 < mistik1> ? 15:10 < mistik1> out source everything? 15:10 < prpplague> mistik1: gonna out source it 15:10 < prpplague> mistik1: yep 15:10 * mistik1 shakes head 15:11 < prpplague> mistik1: yep 15:11 < mistik1> sad turn of affairs indeed 15:11 < prpplague> mistik1: yes it is 15:11 < prpplague> mistik1: didn't have much of a choice 15:11 < mistik1> will you be staying 15:11 < mistik1> oh? 15:11 < mistik1> customer complaints or compatability issues? 15:12 < prpplague> mistik1: m$ signed a huge exxclusive with all the major hardware dealers, so all their software and websites are all m$ only 15:12 < prpplague> mistik1: staying for now, looking for something else 15:12 < mistik1> dirty politics again from the m$ camp eh 15:13 < prpplague> mistik1: ya 15:13 < prpplague> mistik1: definetly not fun around here anymore :( 15:14 < mistik1> I still say the reason M$ has been so busy having booths at linuxworld and such is because they are after a way to gain a linux compatability layer in thier OS 15:14 < mistik1> I have a firm belief that is what they're after 15:14 < stockholm> knowing the enemy, that is. And *we* not are on the dark side... 15:16 < mistik1> just dont be shocked when windows 2005 has linux elf binary compatability 15:16 < mistik1> remember I told you so 15:16 < stockholm> My "toy project" is going to be killed when the "windows room" is ready, with terminal services and 20 clients, 1200MHz each, what a waste. 15:17 < mistik1> its amazing how idiotic some companies are 15:17 < stockholm> for now, we bring what they need on 15* 486 - except there are 5 more places needed, and no room in the small classroom we got. 15:17 < stockholm> However, I'll remember your "mystic" announcement... :-) 15:17 < mistik1> hehe 15:18 < stockholm> They won't have too much fun implementing elf compatibility 15:18 -!- gentoo_newb1e [~knoppix@rdu26-234-244.nc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 15:18 < stockholm> But delivering something cygwin-like, an environment in which everything Linux-compatible OpenSource compiles, should do for them. 15:18 < mistik1> about as much fun as implementing a security layer, eh? 15:18 < stockholm> That's what I just wanted to say. 15:19 < stockholm> They of course need to simulate PAM and so on 15:19 < stockholm> and Unix file permissions 15:19 < mistik1> not too hard with ntfs 15:19 < mistik1> near imposable with fat 15:19 < stockholm> Possible. But while they even deliver a win2000 in which per default every user can delete or create files in \winnt.... 15:20 < gentoo_newb1e> anyone seen the build error in lbe 4.0 beta1 mod-utils, yytext_ptr undeclared ?? 15:20 < stockholm> Seems to be some crude german pre-version that was sold without updating the bugfixes from the USamerican original source 15:21 < stockholm> Sorry still using LTSP3 15:22 < gentoo_newb1e> no prob., just started, so I thought I'd try the new beta 15:22 < stockholm> Good choice. 15:22 < stockholm> I read it's going stable soon 15:22 < gentoo_newb1e> Just trying to help get it there :) 15:23 < gentoo_newb1e> Is this the right spot ? 15:24 < stockholm> Generally yes, but Jam e.g. seems not to be here, and he is the one authoritative source of information, I think. 15:24 < stockholm> I'm still hanging on my prob which mknbi to use to generate from the kernel supplied in initrd-10 package and initrd from there the nbi to boot my terminal. The versions I tested led to NFS problems, while the supplied ready nbi boots fine. 15:25 < mistik1> I have not come across that error in building 4.0 15:25 < gentoo_newb1e> I did the ./build_all from Knoppix distro with the 2.4.21 kernel 15:26 < gentoo_newb1e> /home/knoppix/ltsp/lbe/i386-linux-crosscomp/bin/gcc -march=i386 -Wno-uninitialized -I. -I../../modutils-2.4.22/genksyms -I../../modutils-2.4.22/genksyms/../include -D_GNU_SOURCE -DCONFIG_ROOT_CHECK_OFF=0 -c -o lex.o lex.c 15:26 < gentoo_newb1e> ../../modutils-2.4.22/genksyms/lex.l: In function `yylex': 15:26 < gentoo_newb1e> ../../modutils-2.4.22/genksyms/lex.l:429: `yytext_ptr' undeclared (first use in this function) 15:26 < gentoo_newb1e> ../../modutils-2.4.22/genksyms/lex.l:429: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 15:26 < gentoo_newb1e> ../../modutils-2.4.22/genksyms/lex.l:429: for each function it appears in.) 15:26 < gentoo_newb1e> make: *** [lex.o] Error 1 15:26 < gentoo_newb1e> that's the error. Hope that wasn't too rude. 15:26 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 15:26 < monkeydiver> hey mistik1 15:26 < mistik1> hey 15:27 < mistik1> gentoo_newb1e: maybe missing some lib at the distro? 15:28 < gentoo_newb1e> maybe: but Knoppix rocks. Not quite a much as my Gentoo system. Maybel I'll try it over there. 15:29 < mistik1> If you say so 15:29 < gentoo_newb1e> I thought someone else may have run across the same thing, as it's still beta. 15:29 -!- mray [~mray@12.5.158.126] has joined #ltsp 15:29 < gentoo_newb1e> mistik1: which distro are you running? 15:29 < mray> Anyone happen to be using PXELINUX here? 15:31 < mistik1> gentoo_newb1e: I run from redhat to rocklinux 15:31 < mistik1> my ltsp installs are on redhat for the most part along with any LTSP devel i do 15:31 < gentoo_newb1e> are you running the new redhat distrib from the net ?? 15:32 < mistik1> what do you mean by that? 15:33 < gentoo_newb1e> Didn't redhat abandon the retail model and go to a purely net distribution lately? 15:37 < mistik1> I've heard nothing of that 15:37 < gentoo_newb1e> mistik1: are you running 7.x, 8.x or 9.x 15:38 < mistik1> 7.3 15:38 < mistik1> 8.0 on one box 15:38 < mistik1> I've not touched 9.0 yet 15:38 < mistik1> and prolly wont 15:38 < mistik1> I have been moving from Rhat lately 15:39 < mistik1> and all the other distros too really 15:39 < stockholm> going *bsd? or just roll your own completely? 15:39 < mistik1> while I dont mind building i dont like gentoo 15:39 < mistik1> roll my own via Rocklinux 15:40 < gentoo_newb1e> I'll have a look at RockLinux, what don't you like about gentoo other than the initial install? 15:42 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:45 < gentoo_newb1e> take care all. thx 15:45 -!- gentoo_newb1e [~knoppix@rdu26-234-244.nc.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:46 -!- monkey_ [~geoffrey@greenblanket.ticom.com] has joined #ltsp 15:47 -!- monkey_ is now known as monkeyboy 15:49 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 15:50 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:50 -!- monkeyboy [~geoffrey@greenblanket.ticom.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:50 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 15:52 -!- nimonic [~nimonic@200.13.207.186] has joined #ltsp 15:54 < nimonic> have a problem, i trying to boot up a terminal, but it keeps waiting for dhcp 15:54 < nimonic> dhcpdiscover, dhcpoffer but no dhcprequest from the terminal 15:55 < stockholm> nimonic: Check if you specified a filename in dhcpd.conf 15:56 < stockholm> etherboot ignores requests without it 15:56 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit ["Give me liberty or give me something of equal or lesser value from your glossy 32 page catalog."] 15:56 -!- voyer [~jelozano@216.72.220.90] has joined #ltsp 15:57 < nimonic> its ok. i have booted up another station. 15:57 < stockholm> same etherboot version? 15:58 -!- voyer [~jelozano@216.72.220.90] has left #ltsp [] 15:58 < stockholm> did you set up a host section in dhcpd.conf, or are there free ip-addresses in the "range"? 16:00 < nimonic> it has a host section and a filename, the one working had eb-5.0.11-netel100i.lzdsk 16:01 < nimonic> and this should be eb-5.0.11-ne2100.lzdsk, ive tried also the 5.2.0 images too 16:02 < stockholm> hmmm... differences between the two host sections? 16:03 < stockholm> Did you specify VCI_Etherboot? (which you shouldn't) 16:05 < nimonic> no differences, hwaddr, fixaddr and filename 16:06 < nimonic> do you think possible a nearly 100 meter cable could be? 16:06 < stockholm> Could you try getting eb 5.0.8 or so from romomatic with all-default settings? 16:06 < stockholm> If it's not ok, yes. 185m, IIRC, is the maximum segment length 16:07 < stockholm> I had 50m running fine, but 10m badly shielded cable failing for more than 1 or 2 packets per second 16:08 < nimonic> i tried the 5.0.8 before. maybe something in the "compaq deskpro setup" 16:09 -!- WX [~chris@12-234-7-83.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:10 -!- fluxbox [~kagoryu@210.23.101.226] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:10 -!- fluxbox [~kagoryu@210.23.101.226] has joined #ltsp 16:11 < nimonic> i'm trying this "lance" network card after the "netflex" integrated didn't get dhcp too 16:12 < stockholm> then it probably something in the box. Can you try that ne2k in another box, just to be sure? 16:12 < nimonic> got 5.0.8 default, gonna try 16:12 < stockholm> fine 16:13 < stockholm> Well, I just remembered the discussion about A20 line. You could try disabling/enabling (fast) A20 switching in the bios, if this option exists 16:15 < nimonic> i'm back in 10 minutes. 16:21 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has joined #ltsp 16:26 -!- monkeyboy [~geoffrey@greenblanket.ticom.com] has joined #ltsp 16:27 < monkeyboy> Hi all. Anyone help me with sound setup? 16:30 < nimonic> stochholm: sorry i could'n pass the lance card to another box, but i made a disk for an eepro100 on the other box and worked perfect, so it not my server, the problem is the compaq box 16:31 < stockholm> could be, I had trouble with one too. 16:32 < stockholm> nimonic: moment... 16:35 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.151.177] has joined #ltsp 16:35 < stockholm> Can you try BBS_BUT_NOT_PNP_COMPLIANT or CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT? Perhaps that cards are not correctly initializied or so... 16:37 -!- monkeyboy [~geoffrey@greenblanket.ticom.com] has quit ["Killed by frash (Requested by panasync)"] 16:38 -!- monkeydiver [~deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Gone diving in code/network"] 16:41 < nimonic> stockholm: got image with CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT for the netflex3i. going to shut down this pc to try it. 16:41 -!- david_ [~david@rrcs-midsouth-24-199-130-142.biz.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 16:42 -!- nimonic [~nimonic@200.13.207.186] has quit ["(back soon)"] 16:42 < david_> Hello, Jim. -David Johnston 16:43 -!- ^^bunnyo [~bunnyo@h24-83-234-227.va.shawcable.net] has joined #ltsp 16:43 < ^^bunnyo> hi ho - question - what version of LTSP would be best to load onto a PIII dual 800 computer? 16:54 -!- ^^bunnyo is now known as bunnyo 16:57 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:57 * david_ is leaving for now. 16:58 -!- david_ [~david@rrcs-midsouth-24-199-130-142.biz.rr.com] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 17:00 -!- dragosh [~dragosh@pot.lsd.ro] has joined #ltsp 17:00 -!- dragosh [~dragosh@pot.lsd.ro] has quit ["As the good Mr. Wolf once said: Gentelmans, let's not start sucking eachothers dicks quite yet!"] 17:09 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.9.200] has joined #ltsp 17:10 < carlos> hi 17:13 < carlos> is it possible to use ltsp to boot diskless windows 98? 17:15 < bunnyo> diskless? 17:15 < bunnyo> as in floopy disk not working or there? 17:15 < bunnyo> you can use network bootable nics - and you don't need a HD with Win98 preloaded 17:16 < carlos> bunnyo as in booting a linux kernel to setup a ramdisk, then copy windows to the ramdisk and then loading windows from ramdisk and appear on the workstation 17:19 < bunnyo> ouch - like that just hurts my brain - why not just run linux on the workstations? 17:21 -!- manimay__ [~manimay@pD9544999.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:21 < carlos> bunnyo I want to use full open source to have the option of booting linux or windows 98 17:22 < bunnyo> ahhh.. well - that I can't answer my friend - sorry... sounds interesting though 17:25 -!- mray [~mray@12.5.158.126] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 17:33 -!- carlos [~carlos@200.77.9.200] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:34 -!- bunnyo [~bunnyo@h24-83-234-227.va.shawcable.net] has left #ltsp [] 17:40 -!- stockholm [~stockholm@p50857E6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [""Trying to get some sleep""] 17:43 -!- HiltonT [~HiltonT@dsl-180.128.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 17:47 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.151.177] has quit [] 17:53 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 18:00 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip38-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 18:00 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has joined #ltsp 18:09 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:14 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 18:30 -!- EnigmaX- [~EnigmaX@pcp03438900pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 18:31 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away 18:32 -!- EnigmaX- is now known as EnigmaX 18:44 -!- bunnyo [~justme@h24-82-182-88.va.shawcable.net] has joined #ltsp 18:51 -!- stockholm [~stockholm@p50857E6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 18:52 -!- stockholm [~stockholm@p50857E6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 19:02 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 19:08 -!- bunnyo [~justme@h24-82-182-88.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:55 -!- cobratek [cobratek@shutup.before.you.ann0y.us] has joined #ltsp 20:01 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:10 -!- Zeus [~jonathan@164.77.152.38] has joined #ltsp 20:22 < fluxbox> ne1 knows how to solve video problems with s3 prosavage ddr ? 20:23 -!- kszwed_2 [~kszwed@162.mel0811.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ltsp 20:25 -!- kszwed_2 is now known as kswed 20:25 -!- kswed is now known as kzswed 20:26 < kzswed> argl 20:26 < kzswed> anyone know of a nice way to automagically encrypt x11 data between terminals and the server? 20:27 -!- kzswed is now known as kszwed 21:05 < jstraw> kszwed: ssh 21:05 < jstraw> but not with LTSP 21:05 < jstraw> yet 21:06 < kszwed> the only way i can work out to display a login prompt with ssh is to do an Xnest -query 127.0.0.1, which sucks really. 21:07 < kszwed> stunnel doesn't help either as X uses lots of ports - 1 per display.. 21:07 < jstraw> then don't use a login prompt :) 21:07 < jstraw> have them log in from a console 21:07 < jstraw> and automatically start X 21:09 < kszwed> they'd have to login in a xterm then... 21:09 < jstraw> no 21:09 < jstraw> not in X at all 21:09 < jstraw> have it start in init3 not init5 maybe :) 21:11 < kszwed> how would they login to an X desktop after logging in at the console then? 21:14 -!- jammcq_lwce is now known as jammcq 21:14 < jammcq> hello kiddlies 21:15 < jstraw> yosh 21:16 < jammcq> yo jstraw 21:16 < kszwed> hi jammcq 21:17 < kszwed> jammcq: got any ideas as to the best way to encrypt X traffic between the terminal and ltsp server? 21:17 < jammcq> kszwed: hmm, ssh comes to mind 21:17 < jammcq> but it requires some setup. and I havne't done it myself 21:18 < jstraw> this sounds like a mirror conversation :) 21:18 < jstraw> jammcq: how was the trip back? :) 21:18 < jammcq> egggsellent 21:18 < jammcq> first class really doesn't suck :) 21:18 < jstraw> hehe 21:18 < jstraw> bastard 21:18 < jammcq> yeah, one of the benefits of flying so much 21:18 < jammcq> it's easy to get an upgrade 21:19 < mistik1> wb jammcq jstraw 21:19 < jstraw> hi mistik1 21:19 < jstraw> jammcq: you know that they mispelled mistik1's nick in some of the literature :) 21:19 * mistik1 gives the LWCE crew a gold medal sticker 21:19 < jammcq> literature ? 21:19 < jstraw> the press kit maybe 21:19 < mistik1> on the website 21:20 < jammcq> hmm, didn't know it was even in there 21:20 < mistik1> mystics1 21:20 < jammcq> hello mistik1 21:20 < mistik1> or some such it says :) 21:20 < jstraw> mistik1: that's it :) 21:20 < jammcq> jeez, goofballs 21:20 < mistik1> heh 21:36 < jstraw> jammcq: any more Booth Babes coming around today? :) 21:39 < morfic> they put your nicks 21:39 < morfic> ? 21:40 < robbie_zz> hey guys 21:40 < robbie_zz> jammcq: mistik1 welcome back 21:40 -!- robbie_zz is now known as robbie 21:43 < jammcq> hey robbie 21:44 < robbie> you back in action or still in recovery mode ? 21:44 * robbie is a little of both today 21:44 < jammcq> just got back a little while ago. still cleaning up my email inbox, and my desk 21:48 < robbie> i had fun building the lbe under 2.6, will bother you later about it 21:49 < jammcq> hey, through a goofy turn of events, i've managed to end up with another P4 system. I'm gonna load Debian on it 21:49 < robbie> hahahha 21:49 < robbie> how goofy ? 21:49 < jammcq> I figure it's time that I have a deb system up all the time 21:49 < robbie> yes, a man like you needs to be at the cutting edge 21:50 < robbie> run debian unstable if you prefer to be at the bleeding edge 21:50 < robbie> literaly 21:50 < jammcq> well, ya see, when I was getting ready to head to SanFran last saturday morning, I boxed up my server and set it in the living room. Then, I had a box of thin clients in the car. I brought the box in. Then, when I took the server out to the car, and took it to SanFran with me, It turned out I picked up the wrong box, and by mistake had 12 thin clients and no server 21:51 < robbie> aha 21:51 < jammcq> imagine my surprise on monday when we went to setup the LTSP.org booth at Linux world 21:51 < robbie> did you have to buy or was it donated ? 21:51 < jammcq> I bought it 21:51 < jammcq> a nice little shuttle cube, 2.4ghz P4 21:51 < robbie> i just purchased a celery 2.4 with 256ram , 40Gb ide drive for $530 21:52 < robbie> wont tell you what i sold it for 21:52 < robbie> how much was that box in the states jim ? 21:52 < morfic> shuttles are cute 21:52 < robbie> jammcq: you can run 2.6 and enable ht :) 21:53 < morfic> 2.4? B or C? 21:53 < robbie> 2.6 is very useable now, im a jam i'd consider it for production 21:53 < morfic> b = 533, c=800 21:53 < jammcq> morfic: I think b 21:53 < morfic> -test3 should be out soon 21:53 < morfic> no ht on 2.4b 21:54 < jammcq> robbie: that 2.4ghz P4 with 512mb of ram and 80gb of disk as $688 21:54 < robbie> wowee 21:54 < morfic> -test2 is on -bk8 already 21:54 < robbie> thatd be $900 atleast here, wholesale 21:54 < morfic> jammcq: sexy 21:55 < robbie> mind you with the state of our peso comapred to your $ , i'd prefer buy here ;) 21:55 < morfic> ? 21:55 * robbie counts a virtual 12000bogomips 21:55 < morfic> ? 21:55 < morfic> :) 21:55 < jammcq> well, when I bought that unit, the cost was a secondary consideration 21:56 < robbie> i thought you used a laptop? 21:56 < morfic> you used ltsp4 up there? 21:56 < jammcq> without a server, our booth would have been very boooooring 21:56 < jammcq> yep, 3 and 4 21:56 < robbie> were you allowed to sell jammin boxes at the show ? 21:56 < jammcq> nope 21:56 < jammcq> we were selling T-Shirts tho 21:56 < morfic> "but here is my website" 21:57 < robbie> i just got a whole work wardrobe made with tux embroidered on everything 21:57 < jammcq> cool 21:57 < robbie> tee shirts, polo shirts, vests, business shirts, even a suede jacket :) 21:57 < jammcq> morfic: yeah, we did have handouts for DisklessWorkstations.Com 21:57 < jammcq> robbie: ah, but I'll bet you don't have one of these sexy LTSP.org baseball caps 21:57 < robbie> with the tux it looks like lacoste on steroids :) 21:57 < morfic> (Temperature):[System : +33°C | CPU : +38°C] 21:57 < robbie> no :( 21:58 < morfic> hm 21:58 < morfic> so hot 21:58 < morfic> house must not cool off 21:58 < robbie> jammcq: reckon i should do another ltsp talk at LCA2004 in Adelaide (faithfuls town) ? 21:58 < robbie> or are you going to grace us all with your presence 21:58 < jammcq> robbie: I'm gonna submit a proposal to give a talk there 21:59 < jammcq> hopefully it will get accepted 21:59 < robbie> i'll keep quiet 21:59 < robbie> it will, dont plan on them helping with travel expenses 21:59 < robbie> they are a cheap lot linux australia 21:59 < jammcq> yeah, they say that have "some" funds for travel 21:59 < robbie> well they make atleast 100k from the conference 22:00 -!- Zeus [~jonathan@164.77.152.38] has left #ltsp ["ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.553 $ (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:00 < robbie> seems to be one of those "we'll help ourselves" mentalities 22:00 < morfic> $320 for a barebones shuttle 22:01 < morfic> nice 22:03 < morfic> its a ht chipset mobo 22:04 < morfic> $490 and id be pimpin 22:04 < morfic> sorry hw dreams 22:07 -!- cobratek [cobratek@shutup.before.you.ann0y.us] has left #ltsp [] 22:11 -!- bjohnson|away [~bjohnson@ip38-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:16 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Yngwie, robbie, SmilieZ 22:25 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 22:49 -!- MrDarkUser [~aaron@t028124.turbonet.com] has joined #ltsp 22:50 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.55] has joined #ltsp 22:50 < MrDarkUser> hi, I'm reading up on how to get sound to work... and I forsee a potential problem... 22:51 < MrDarkUser> On my desktop at home I can run multiple applications emiting sound if they use arts... but I can't run any other sound program unless I killall artsd 22:52 < MrDarkUser> I can't get multiple programs to talk unless they are using arts... (or esd)... and I have to be able to have multiple voices... for my flashplugin (doesn't work with arts) and xmms (works with arts) xine (works with arts) mplayer (works with arts...) 22:53 < MrDarkUser> basically the flash plugin and java are real thorns in my side on my regular system... 22:53 < MrDarkUser> anybody figure this out at all? let alone on ltsp? 22:53 < jammcq> all those things work with arts, but arts doesn't handle remote sound 22:53 -!- EnigmaX [~EnigmaX@pcp03438900pcs.olathe01.ks.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 22:55 -!- MrDarkUser [~aaron@t028124.turbonet.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:56 -!- MrDarkUser [~aaron@t028124.turbonet.com] has joined #ltsp 22:57 -!- Pete_X [~peter@dialup-88.26.221.203.acc51-wick-bne.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 22:58 < Pete_X> is there a way of booting to a ltsp server from vmware? 22:59 < jammcq> Pete_X: do you want to use vmware for a virtual thin client ? 22:59 < Pete_X> yep 23:00 < jammcq> no problem 23:00 < jammcq> I do that all the time 23:00 < Pete_X> cool 23:00 < Pete_X> its for the missus, she uses xp and linux 23:00 < jammcq> so, you have XP, and want to run vmware on that, and boot a ltsp client ? 23:01 < Pete_X> yeah 23:01 < jammcq> the trick is, go to rom-o-matic.net and get an etherboot floppy image for pcnetfastiii 23:01 < jammcq> and set vmware to point to that, as it's floppy drive 23:02 < Pete_X> so its just a standard floppy boot like the others? 23:02 < jammcq> yeah, except you don't use a real floppy 23:02 < jammcq> just a floppy image 23:03 < Pete_X> fantastic 23:03 < Pete_X> q 23:03 < Pete_X> oosp 23:03 -!- _ccjoe_ [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 23:04 -!- _ccjoe_ [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:07 < Pete_X> the option on romomatic where is asks for a dos executable, that cant be done in windows, can it? 23:07 < jammcq> no, you don't want a dos executable 23:08 < Pete_X> fair nuf 23:09 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:21 < Pete_X> jammcq: i just then cat [file].zdsk >>/dev/fd0 right? 23:21 < jammcq> no 23:21 < jammcq> you don't need /dev/fd0 23:21 < jammcq> just setup vmware to use a "virtual floppy" 23:22 < jammcq> in vmware, where you can say that the floppy is a device at '/dev/fd0', you can also say that the floppy is a file 23:22 < Pete_X> ahhhhhhh 23:27 < Pete_X> ok, there must be a trick to it, I went to properties, told it to boot from the file.zdsk, it did something, but not what I wanted it to do... 23:28 < Pete_X> basically it didnt boot 23:31 < Pete_X> any ideas what I'm doing wrong? 23:35 < jammcq> Pete_X: you have to say it's a disk image, not a real block device 23:35 < jammcq> but, i'm heading to bed now. good luck,and i'll be around tomorrow 23:36 < Pete_X> ok, thanks for the help anyway, appreciated 23:37 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:38 -!- Pete_X [~peter@dialup-88.26.221.203.acc51-wick-bne.comindico.com.au] has left #ltsp [] --- Day changed Sat Aug 09 2003 00:00 -!- kszwed [~kszwed@162.mel0811.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit ["hup"] 00:16 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 00:41 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 00:45 -!- Snafu_ [~afu@209.176.43.210] has joined #LTSP 00:47 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:47 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:51 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:52 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:56 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:57 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:03 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:06 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:07 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:17 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:17 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:26 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:27 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:28 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has joined #ltsp 01:36 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:37 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:38 < Snafu_> http://radio.weblogs.com/0120124/ 01:41 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:43 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@adsl-64-170-152-237.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has joined #ltsp 01:46 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [] 01:52 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 01:54 -!- MrDarkUser [~aaron@t028124.turbonet.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 02:21 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@adsl-64-170-152-237.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 04:12 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has joined #ltsp 04:32 -!- bails [~bails@modem-831.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 04:35 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has quit ["Client exiting"] 04:39 -!- bails [~bails@modem-831.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 04:45 -!- stockholm [~stockholm@p50857E6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 04:47 -!- bails [~bails@modem-831.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 04:49 -!- bails [~bails@modem-831.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 05:07 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:25 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-168-202.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 05:28 -!- Rakeleer [~starbane@bgp01354083bgs.albqrq01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 05:30 -!- Rakeleer [~starbane@bgp01354083bgs.albqrq01.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:37 -!- heino [heino@p508E213C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 05:37 -!- heino [heino@p508E213C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:52 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 05:55 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 06:14 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:23 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-168-202.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:38 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 06:51 -!- kszwed_2 [~kszwed@198.mel0612.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ltsp 06:51 < kszwed_2> hi, what's the name of the guy who's developing the ldap stuff for ltsp again? 07:08 -!- bart [~bart@200-203-069-212.smace7003.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #LTSP 07:08 < bart> hi, can someone try to give me a hand with keyboard in ltsp? I'm having trouble using brazilian keyboards :( 07:12 < bart> #LTSPhi, can someone try to give me a hand with keyboard in ltsp? I'm having trouble using 07:12 < bart> brazilian keyboards :( 07:13 < bart> oops, sorry. wrong paste 07:20 < bart> no one? :( 07:21 -!- bart [~bart@200-203-069-212.smace7003.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4"] 07:34 -!- bart [~bart@200-203-069-212.smace7003.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 07:57 -!- amh [~stockholm@p50857D1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 07:57 < amh> Did that message get here? This !"§&%$!&"§ irc client :-) 07:57 < amh> bart: Well I was asking if you read the mailing list archives. 07:58 < amh> There was someone playing with brazil keyboards recently, IIRC. 08:05 < bart> yeah, probally me :) 08:05 < bart> I sent some questions, but mostly people got it working without problems 08:06 < amh> something unusual at your setup, then? 08:06 < amh> I have only german kbd here 08:15 -!- stockholm [~stockholm@p50857E6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:18 -!- kszwed_2 [~kszwed@198.mel0612.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:32 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 08:35 < bart> all seems to be correctly set up, but the ]}º key works as \|º 08:35 < bart> and the \| key don't work 08:35 < bart> I've tryied to edit keyboard maps, etc, but without any success 08:35 < bart> sorry for the time to answer you, I'm still working on it meanwhile :) 08:37 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has joined #ltsp 08:37 < amh> Working on something else, too. PCMCIA stuff. 08:37 < amh> Could you test the keymaps on a standalone linux box? 08:38 < amh> Try something unusual then, just to verify that changes really do *something*, e.g. mapping "A" to the "1" key or so. 08:38 < amh> I worked on keymaps some time till I realized my changes didn't do anything at all. Wrong file. *duh* 08:40 < bart> hehehe, I've already had some results by commenting out a alias, so I belive I can change some things 08:40 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has joined #ltsp 08:41 < amh> Mkay. How about mapping something else than ]}° to that key? 08:41 < amh> Which key is it, btw? Having a qwertz keyboard, I assume that one two positions right of "L"? 08:48 -!- OOps[x86] [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 08:48 -!- OOps[x86] [~turtle@LatinRed-2.bcn.es.colt.net] has joined #ltsp 08:57 < bart> yes, in brazilian keyboard right of L you have Ç then ] 08:59 * arkadi is away: need to fix machinegun 09:36 < amh> was away. That key works fine in my ltsp environment... 09:57 -!- manimay [~manimay@pD9544E25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 10:02 < bart> not on mine... that language are you using? 10:03 < bart> hum, I have to go, I'll give it a try monday. bye 10:03 -!- bart [~bart@200-203-069-212.smace7003.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has left #ltsp [] 10:33 -!- hazy_hh [~hazy@202.43.170.197] has joined #ltsp 10:33 < hazy_hh> hi all 10:33 < hazy_hh> ::) 10:34 < hazy_hh> do i hv to install or use floppyd 10:35 < hazy_hh> in order to run floppy from clients ? 10:35 < hazy_hh> or i can just install mtools ? 10:47 -!- hazy_hh [~hazy@202.43.170.197] has quit ["Javatech Internet Center UNY"] 10:55 -!- isafam [~isafam@ppp-225-3-130.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com] has joined #ltsp 11:07 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:43 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.55] has quit ["Irssi!"] 12:01 -!- bjohnson|away [~bjohnson@ip38-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 12:02 -!- beans [~josh@me-bridgton1a-72.agstme.adelphia.net] has joined #ltsp 12:02 < beans> Question about configuring floppy access. Does the client have to be setup for local apps? I'm getting a connection refused error when I try and run the nbd-client app on the server. 12:09 -!- beans [~josh@me-bridgton1a-72.agstme.adelphia.net] has left #ltsp [] 12:18 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 12:23 -!- isafam [~isafam@ppp-225-3-130.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:37 -!- Fat|Pictures [~your@ca-snd-ar06-ericg-238.adnc.com] has quit ["I dont like the taste of Cat Burgers, so I will turn my cats into pork by feeding them to pigs"] 13:10 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 13:13 -!- o_chapa [~felipe@200.97.238.139] has joined #ltsp 13:13 < o_chapa> hey guys, im trying boot on a 486 diskless workstation with nfsroot and kernel 2.4.21 but im receve the msg: call_verify: unknown auth error: 7 \ Root-NFS: Server returned error -5 while mounting /dir. What this means? 13:26 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:29 < amh> What does your /etc/exports on the server look like? 13:29 < amh> Perhaps a wrong entry there? 13:35 < o_chapa> no... the workstation was running well, up to i rebuild the kernel on server and workstation 13:35 < o_chapa> the line in /etc/exports: /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash) 13:35 < amh> could you retry the old workstation kernel?` 13:35 < amh> why export rw? 13:35 < o_chapa> no... :-( 13:36 < amh> OK, bad luck then. Are you sure both kernels have NFSv3 support? 13:36 < jammcq> o_chapa: are you using a custom kernel ? 13:36 < o_chapa> for any changes but im dont got root by telnet 13:36 < o_chapa> yes 13:36 < jammcq> why ? 13:36 < amh> for fun ? 13:36 < amh> :-) 13:36 < o_chapa> i dont know 13:36 < jammcq> ok, are you having fun ? 13:36 < amh> No, I don't get them mknbi'ed 13:36 < o_chapa> the workstation dont have keybords 13:36 < amh> Which version mknbi do you use? 13:37 < o_chapa> im using grub 13:37 < o_chapa> and bzImage 13:37 < o_chapa> kernel 13:37 < amh> Sorry, meant jammcq: When you prepared the initrd-3.0.10 package, which mknbi version did you use? 13:38 < o_chapa> both kernel was buited whit nfs suport 13:39 < jammcq> amh: I think it was 1.4-1 13:39 < amh> So bad idea to make the client unavailablel before it works finally.... :-( Can you anyhow access the client harddisk again? 13:39 < amh> jammcq: When I take 1.4-1 and the vmlinuz and initrd and build the nbi image, it differs from your nbi image in the first 4k 13:39 < amh> jammcq: It boots and hangs with some NFS root error 13:39 < amh> While your nbi is just fine 13:41 < amh> any idea what could make the difference? 13:42 < o_chapa> im dont found nothing about this errors in google.com... aff 13:43 < amh> o_chapa: What do the server log files say? 13:43 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has joined #ltsp 13:44 < o_chapa> ohh good idea! 13:44 < amh> jammcq: The fun part is that the client says: Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from 10.0.3.1; Doing the pivot_root; Running /sbin/init; Usage: init 0123456S... VFS: Cannot open root device "nfs" or 00:ff 13:45 < jammcq> amh: what do you have in /opt/ltsp/i386 ? 13:45 < amh> The standard stuff, from tgz. Some months old, but they work fine with the pre-mknbi'ed stuff from the 3.0.10 initrd package 13:45 < jammcq> hmm 13:46 < amh> I tried another mknbi version before, same problem 13:46 < amh> And custom kernels - just forget them 13:46 < amh> Had costed me half this Friday :-( 13:46 < jammcq> amh: did you use my ltsp_initrd_kit to build your kernel ? 13:47 < amh> I took the kernel as it *is* as bzImage in the initrd-3.0.10 kit, and the supplied initrd- from the same kit. 13:47 < amh> The only difference to your nbi image is that *I* built in on my computer, I assume. 13:47 < jammcq> and what parameters did you pass to mknbi ? 13:47 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.196.128] has joined #ltsp 13:47 < amh> mknbi-linux bzImage initrd > /tftpboot/vmlinuz.ltsp 13:47 < jammcq> hmm, that's not what I do 13:48 < mistik1> ^-O 13:48 < jammcq> there are several args you need to pass 13:48 < amh> mknbi-linux -v says "1.4.1" 13:48 < amh> AH! Can you tell me? 13:48 < jammcq> i'm looking now 13:48 < jammcq> here is what the buildk does: 13:49 < jammcq> ${MKNBI} --output=${CURDIR}/${KERNEL_OUTPUT} \ 13:49 < jammcq> --append="init=/linuxrc rw" \ 13:49 < jammcq> --rootdir="/dev/ram0" \ 13:49 < jammcq> ${KERNEL_IMG} \ 13:49 < jammcq> ${INITRD_OUTPUT} 13:49 < jammcq> so, that would be more like: 13:49 < amh> OK, *my fault*! Should have known better to look inside the script :-/ 13:49 < amh> Will be that rootdir= and append= stuff 13:49 < amh> I'll go and try 13:49 < jammcq> mknbi-linux --output=/tftpboot/vmlinuz.ltsp --append="init=/linuxrc rw" --rootdir="/dev/ram0" bzImage initrdfile 13:50 < amh> That was the problem. *Huge thanks* 13:51 < amh> Now I'll go and try to put in my own kernel with APM support. I want the machine to be powered down, with "poweroff" as local_app; and I'm damn near to getting it to run! 13:51 < amh> Only thing missing was kernel ACPI support 13:52 < o_chapa> Aug 9 15:48:12 trincaferro rpc.mountd: connect from 192.168.0.2 to proc (1) in mountd: request from un 13:52 < o_chapa> authorized host 13:52 < amh> Then give kdm another shutdown= command etc... will post to mailing list 13:52 < amh> o_chapa: Try to enter 192.168.0.2 into /etc/hosts 13:53 < amh> and try setting it read-only if you can in /etc/exporst 13:53 < mistik1> some one not following the docs 13:53 < o_chapa> amh: it is in /etc/hosts 13:54 < o_chapa> portmap: 192.168.0. 13:55 < amh> mistik1: Trying to play, yes. 14:00 -!- e1th0r [~pepe@host-200-75-135-26.net-uno.net] has joined #ltsp 14:01 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:03 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: amh, TrAnCeFX, e1th0r, TheLaw, DrEvil 14:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: e1th0r, amh, DrEvil, TheLaw, TrAnCeFX 14:04 -!- e1th0r [~pepe@host-200-75-135-26.net-uno.net] has quit [] 14:15 -!- semtex [~brendan@cD908889B.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ltsp 14:17 -!- semtex [~brendan@cD908889B.sdsl.catch.no] has quit [Client Quit] 14:19 -!- semtex [~brendan@cD908889B.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ltsp 14:21 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 14:31 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.196.128] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:33 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.196.128] has joined #ltsp 14:52 -!- o_chapa [~felipe@200.97.238.139] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:52 -!- Striker44 [~Someone@pcp02750059pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 14:55 < Striker44> Hello. Can anyone assist me with some LTSP configuration problems / questions? 14:56 < semtex> fire away 14:58 < Striker44> Brief history - I got this running previously on Redhat 7.3. Now I'm using 9.0 and stuck. Workstation isn't mounting NFS I think. Says error: Failed to Mount root directory via NFS 14:58 < semtex> this could be a few things 15:00 < Striker44> Any ideas of what to check? I think it might be something in the exports file but I'm not sure what it should look like. Possibly 15:00 < semtex> firstly, is nfs running? secondly, in your dhcp.conf , check that your ip to your server is correct 15:02 < Striker44> nfs is running. What should the server line look like? 15:03 < Striker44> the root-path option in the dhcpd.conf file says "192.168.1.10:/opt/ltsp/i386"; - 192.168.1.10 is my server 15:06 < semtex> hmmm, ok thats probablt correc then 15:07 < Striker44> is there supposed to be a line in /etc/exports that references /tftpboot/lts/ltsroot ?? 15:08 < semtex> have you checked your lts.conf file? 15:08 < jstraw> nope... 15:08 < semtex> ok check your server line at start of that file 15:08 < semtex> # IP address of the LTSP server 15:09 < Striker44> the server line of lts.conf has the correct ip address of my server 15:09 < semtex> ok 15:11 < Striker44> One of the errors is: "mount: Mounting 192.168.1.10:/opt/ltsp/i386 on mnt failed: Invalid argument 15:12 < semtex> well have you checked your etc/exports? 15:13 < Striker44> I have but I'm not sure what it should look like. It has the 2 default lines. /opt/ltsp/i386 and /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles. the ip addresses next to them look correct. I'm not sure about the options.. 15:14 < Striker44> Another error (earlier) is mount: 192.168.1.10:/optltsp/i386 failed, reason given by server: Permission Denied 15:14 < semtex> try typing rpcinfo -p to check if nfs and mountd are there 15:15 < Striker44> rpcinfo - p shows 2 nfs and 6 mountd processes 15:16 < amh> Options must contain no_root_squash 15:16 < Striker44> Both lines so include no_root_squash 15:16 < Striker44> "/opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.1.10/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync)" 15:17 < Striker44> "/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.1.10/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async)" 15:17 < amh> I don't have that sync part 15:17 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:17 < amh> The rest looks the same. What is the client's IP address? 15:17 < Striker44> the client ws001 is 192.168.1.5 15:18 < amh> What about /etc/host.access? 15:19 < Striker44> I don't have a host.access file. do you mean host.allow? 15:21 < Striker44> my /etc/hosts.allow file has bootpd: 0.0.0.0 , in.tftpd: 192.168.0, portmap: 192.168.0 15:21 < amh> Yup. Change to 192.168.1 then, when you use 192.168.1.* instead of .0.* 15:22 < amh> Could be you have to restart some services, NFS server and portmap. 15:22 < Striker44> for both in.tftpd and portmap? 15:22 < amh> portmap only should suffice 15:22 < amh> because tftp works now, else you wouldn't have booted the client 15:23 < Striker44> how do I restart nfs and portmap? 15:24 < amh> Dunno in RedHat. in Debian it's /etc/init.d/nfs-user-server restart and /etc/init.d/portmap restart, IIRC 15:25 < amh> Look if there's something like that around there 15:25 < semtex> use your service conf and check or uncheck as necessary 15:25 < semtex> serviceconf 15:25 < amh> Good to have a RedHat knowing person around. One day I'll try that distro too :-) 15:25 < Striker44> Ok. I think I got them restarted...rebooting ws 15:26 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 15:26 < semtex> i am a redhat beginner, use mandrake as termserv 15:26 < Striker44> I had this running great under redhat 7.3... then I had to upgrade.... 15:27 < amh> And it set something to default values probably 15:27 < amh> Does the ws boot? 15:28 < Striker44> It's stopping at : mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.168.1.10 .. It's just waiting there.... At least this is different now... 15:28 < semtex> what is your option broadcast-address in dhcpd.conf? 15:29 < Striker44> it's 192.168.1.255... i have no such device... 15:30 < semtex> no thats ok as long as its not zero 15:31 < amh> Did NFS-Server come up again? 15:31 < amh> (you could try again with rpcinfo -p) 15:32 < Striker44> doesn't look like it. Let me try and start it. 15:33 < Striker44> nfs started... rebooting ws 15:34 < Striker44> Looks better... Now I'm getting the blank screen with an X... closing in I guess... :) 15:34 < semtex> cool! 15:34 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 15:35 < Striker44> This happened to me before.. I think I need to start xdm 15:35 < semtex> true 15:36 < Striker44> Looking at the pdf doc now... 15:36 < semtex> you can let your server start runlevel5 15:37 < Striker44> Where does this go? 15:38 < semtex> you mean getting it to start runlevel5? 15:39 < semtex> /etc/inittab , change default runlevel from 3 to 5 15:40 < Striker44> I think it's already there. x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon 15:40 < Striker44> any ideas of how to start xdm? 15:40 < semtex> no durther up it should say id:3:initdefault 15:41 < Striker44> Further up I have id:5:initdefault: 15:44 < amh> Then which dm do you want, xdm / kdm / gdm? 15:44 < Striker44> I'm not picky. doesn't really matter. I would guess gnome since it's more of a default on redhat 9.... 15:45 < amh> Then try running /usr/bin/gdm 15:45 < amh> Problem will be to enable Xdmcp 15:45 < amh> Look into /etc/gdm/gdm.conf 15:45 < amh> For [xdmcp] \n Enable=True 15:47 < Striker44> ran /usr/bin/gdm - rebooting ws... 15:47 < amh> You need not reboot, just Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart X is enough 15:47 < amh> (on the client, of course) 15:48 < Striker44> WOW.. looks like it worked... logon screen and everything!!!! Thanks all!!!!!!!! 15:48 < amh> Welcome! 15:49 < Striker44> Anyone know how to automatically start gdm? 15:49 < amh> Change inittab 15:49 < semtex> cool! 15:49 < amh> Could be x:5:respawn:/usr/bin/gdm 15:49 < amh> Else look into your startup scripts. 15:50 < amh> There could be something like /etc/init.d/gdm 15:50 < amh> But I don't know how redhat does it 15:50 < amh> To configure gdm, there is a program gdmconfig btw! :-) 15:51 < Striker44> Great. I'll check into it! 15:51 < Striker44> Thanks again everybody! 15:53 < Striker44> Now instead of working on my new workstation I have to feed the baby... how's that for timing..... Take care all! 15:53 -!- Striker44 [~Someone@pcp02750059pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 2520"] 15:56 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:20 -!- bails [~bails@modem-878.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 16:42 -!- blue71 [Draqon@212.253.66.67] has joined #ltsp 16:45 < blue71> Hi.. I installed LTSP-4.0 using "wget -q -O - http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp_installer | sh" then use the "ltspcfg" to configure my system everthing seems ok. But there is no line in /etc/export file for my clients. Is there any document for it. 16:45 < jstraw> blue71: possibly not yet 16:45 < jstraw> ask jammcq 16:45 < blue71> with pm 16:46 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-811.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 16:46 -!- bails [~bails@modem-878.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:48 < blue71> is it possible someonr to give me a sample for /etc/export ? 16:53 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:55 -!- blue71 [Draqon@212.253.66.67] has quit [" «®» Dragon Script 3.1 «®» ßY « RoMaNTiK » Mutlaka Alýn===> http://WwW.SaMiCiK.Co"] 16:56 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:08 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:10 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:11 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.196.128] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:15 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:23 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 17:38 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 17:38 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:38 -!- blue71 [Draqon@212.253.66.67] has joined #ltsp 17:38 < blue71> hi jammcq..are you alive 17:38 < project9__> is ltsp 4 is release pls visit www.linuxpr.com 18:03 -!- amh [~stockholm@p50857D1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Watching 'Hackers' and getting some sleep"] 18:17 -!- blue71 [Draqon@212.253.66.67] has quit [" «®» Dragon Script 3.1 «®» ßY « RoMaNTiK » Mutlaka Alýn===> http://WwW.SaMiCiK.Co"] 18:23 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 18:28 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-104-231.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 18:37 -!- bails_ [~bails@modem-811.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:52 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-104-231.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 18:53 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 19:06 < jammcq> hmm, sure is quiet around here 19:07 < GodFodder> Yup 19:07 < GodFodder> hey I never got that email from Dave A. 19:07 < jammcq> hmm, did it end up in your spam folder ? 19:07 < jammcq> he talked like he had already sent it 19:08 < GodFodder> I searched already 19:13 < Snafu_> 99% of the lawyers give the rest of them a bad name. 19:18 < mistik1> boom chi boom 19:19 < mistik1> evening guys 19:20 < jammcq> hey mistik1 19:22 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-91.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 19:23 < Snafu_> 99% of the lawyers give the rest of them a bad name. 19:24 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:24 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 19:34 -!- semtex [~brendan@cD908889B.sdsl.catch.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:51 -!- hazy_hh [~4m09@202.59.206.74] has joined #ltsp 19:51 < hazy_hh> hi all 19:51 < hazy_hh> :) 19:53 < hazy_hh> anyone help me pls... 19:53 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:53 < hazy_hh> hello.. 19:53 < hazy_hh> anyone awake ... 20:06 -!- WX [~chris@12-240-193-11.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 20:07 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-8.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 20:11 < jammcq> hazy_hh: hey, what's up ? 20:11 < hazy_hh> i need help for my ltsp 3 20:12 < hazy_hh> :( 20:12 < jammcq> help doing what ? 20:12 < hazy_hh> i have ltsp 3.0 running 20:12 < hazy_hh> and now.. 20:12 < hazy_hh> i want to use a floppy in my clients 20:13 < jammcq> hmm, wish I could help 20:13 < hazy_hh> do i hv to install floppyd 20:13 < jammcq> i'm not currently using floppy on thin clients 20:13 < hazy_hh> or just use mtools 20:16 < hazy_hh> any idea ??? 20:22 < robbie> mornings 20:22 < hazy_hh> helllo guyss 20:22 < hazy_hh> hi robbie 20:22 < hazy_hh> morning 20:22 < hazy_hh> :) 20:22 < robbie> hey there 20:22 < hazy_hh> can u help me robbie 20:22 * robbie is cooking breakfast 20:22 < robbie> whats the problem ? 20:22 < robbie> hmm, hazy_hh whats you email address ? 20:23 < robbie> i'll forward somethign i cooked up but never released 20:23 < jammcq> robbie: yo, what's for breakfast ? 20:23 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-91.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:23 < robbie> sausages eggs and toast 20:23 < robbie> possibly some coffee or green tea 20:23 < hazy_hh> azmi_hayaza@hotmail.com 20:24 < robbie> last night i had a enw york steak covered in bacon,onions and moshroom with chips covered in mushroom gravy 20:24 < hazy_hh> and one again.. 20:24 < robbie> nre york steak even 20:24 < hazy_hh> i configured /etc/X11/Xstartup 20:24 < hazy_hh> for the login 20:24 < hazy_hh> but i got an error 20:25 < hazy_hh> i couldnt login with all users 20:26 -!- WX [~chris@12-240-193-11.client.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:27 -!- WX [~chris@12-240-193-11.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 20:38 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 20:46 -!- ejfiii_ [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 20:46 < hazy_hh> h 20:46 < hazy_hh> hi 20:46 < hazy_hh> can anyone help me with Xstartup configuration ? 20:56 -!- ejfiii_ is now known as NoUse 21:03 < hazy_hh> WX ? 21:04 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 21:07 -!- mrallen [~mrallen@pcp744691pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 21:07 < mrallen> hi 21:08 < mrallen> i've built an lfs system which is etherboot diskless so i'm familiar w/ etherboot 21:08 < mrallen> this is in regard to rh9 21:08 < mrallen> is it possible to do an etherboot install of RH9 w/ the existing images on the CD?? 21:12 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:13 < Snafu_> eh ? 21:14 < mrallen> shall i restate the question? 21:16 < Snafu_> mrallen you would need to look into the root disk of the installer hmm ? the issues seems so clear that the question cannot be so plain .. esp if you know linux well enough to do your own NFS root or similar .. 21:16 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 21:16 < project9__> hi 21:17 < Snafu_> so how can you not be aware of the pitfalls ? 21:17 -!- bjohnson|away is now known as bjohnson 21:17 < hazy_hh> anyone can help me ? 21:17 < hazy_hh> i want to access floppy from clients in ltsp ? 21:17 < Snafu_> hazy this isnt #help ... its #abuse ... you ask questions.. we make fun of you ... 21:18 < mrallen> Snafu_: may your great help and insight be rewarded 21:18 < Snafu_> hazy they have a nbd kit to do that (network block device) 21:19 < hazy_hh> i hv downloaded mtools 21:21 < Snafu_> mrallen slackware for example .. install over nfs is quite common .. they boot with floppies not etherboot to do it, but common cannot readhat be prepped the same to load its kernel / root via etherboot ? that would depend on the root ramdisk wouldnt it .. 21:21 < Snafu_> hazy what have mtools to do with anything ? 21:22 < mrallen> Snafu_: not so simple. there is the matter of the initrd and driver images. w/out floppy or cd (machine has neither) this does not seem possible 21:23 < Snafu_> mtools has dos-like commands for unmounted dos/fat floppies .. but after you know how to mount them properly you hardly need the help of mtools .. and it has nothing to do with mounting a clients remote floppy over nbd or nfs 21:23 < hazy_hh> so i hv to install floppyd ? 21:23 < hazy_hh> or how ? 21:25 < Snafu_> hazy ok so your a unix/linux newbie . missing some key concepts .. i havent seen their nbd kit .. but they should have working examples .. and it not black magic 21:26 < Snafu_> but you seem to be missing some things on how the system works .. 21:26 < Snafu_> no biggie we all started somewheres .. 21:26 < hazy_hh> so.. 21:26 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 21:27 < Snafu_> mrallen why isnt it possible ... nothing says you must use their kernel or initrd or rootdisk as is ... 21:27 < hazy_hh> there is a floppyd application i should download ? 21:28 < Snafu_> a properly tweaked ltsp style kernel and modified redcrap initrd and root .. would not be very hard .. 21:29 < Snafu_> you could script the whole afair and even use the custimisation they have in their installer to automate the whole thing 21:30 < hazy_hh> okay bye all 21:30 < hazy_hh> thanks 21:30 -!- hazy_hh [~4m09@202.59.206.74] has left #ltsp [] 21:30 < Snafu_> would be time consuming .. but spending 4 days to setup a rollout for 4000 seats would be a big win eh ? 21:30 -!- hazy_hh [~4m09@202.59.206.74] has joined #ltsp 21:30 -!- hazy_hh [~4m09@202.59.206.74] has left #ltsp [] 21:31 < Snafu_> any the modification needed might be far less than the worst-case i presented .. 21:36 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away 21:36 -!- mrallen [~mrallen@pcp744691pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net] has left #ltsp ["Peace"] 21:40 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203.219.198.66] has joined #ltsp 21:41 < project9__> can any one help me to setup ltsp 4 21:42 < Yngwie> doing it myself as we speak 21:46 < jammcq> project9__: hey, you having trouble with ltsp-4 ? 21:47 < Yngwie> I have just had a go. I like it alot! 21:47 * jammcq is playing with FreeBSD for the first time 21:47 < project9__> yes sir i am installing as per ltsp site instractions after downloading binutils-2.13.2.1.tar.bz2 there is no movement for long time 21:48 < Yngwie> jammcq: will it work on freebsd? 21:48 < jammcq> project9__: are you installing the LTSP binary packages, or the source packages ? 21:48 < jammcq> Yngwie: dunno, maybe 21:49 < Yngwie> jammcq: would be good. Freebsd seems a lot faster than the linuxes! 21:49 < project9__> i download ltsp_gcc3-2 from sour 21:49 < jammcq> project9__: save yourself alot of trouble 21:49 < jammcq> just load the binaries 21:49 < jammcq> project9__: do this: wget -q -O - http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp_installer | sh 21:49 < project9__> ic 21:50 < project9__> after that 21:51 < jammcq> project9__: what distro are you running ? 21:51 < project9__> rh 8 21:51 < jammcq> ok, did you see the ltspcfg utility ? 21:52 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 21:52 < project9__> NO 21:52 < jammcq> ok, hang on. I need to reboot my laptop, switching back to Linux 21:53 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:56 < project9__> yes now installation is started.. how time it will take on celeron 1 ghz with 256 mb ram 21:57 -!- morfic_ is now known as morfic 21:58 < jammcq> i'm back 21:59 < project9__> ok sir 21:59 < jammcq> project9__: installation time depends on your internet connection 21:59 < project9__> yes now installation is started.. how time it will take on celeron 1 ghz with 256 mb ram 21:59 < jammcq> not your cpu size 21:59 < jammcq> if you choose to install everything, there is about 55mb of stuff to download 21:59 < project9__> ic 21:59 < jammcq> how fast is your internet connection ? 22:00 < project9__> its on network of 128 kbps 22:00 < jammcq> ok, it will take a while 22:00 < robbie> who was asking me about floppy before ? 22:00 < jammcq> that was hazy_hh 22:00 < project9__> if i have to do it off internet how do ido it 22:00 < jammcq> I think he's gone now 22:01 < jammcq> project9__: you can't yet 22:01 < project9__> ic 22:02 < project9__> i download http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ltsp/ltsp_gcc-3.2-1.tar?download has no use 22:02 < project9__> ? 22:02 < jammcq> why ? 22:02 < project9__> i thought i will able to install from this pkg 22:03 < project9__> what is this pkg 22:03 < jammcq> you don't need the compiler 22:03 < jammcq> gcc is the compiler, you don't need it 22:03 < project9__> ic 22:04 < project9__> sir as per ltsp site saying its beta but www.linuxpr.com its relase ? 22:04 < Yngwie> e 22:05 < jammcq> project9__: we released the beta 22:05 < project9__> no they are saying released no word of beta 22:06 < Yngwie> "{_-= 22:06 < jammcq> project9__: go to http://www.ltsp.org and read it there 22:06 < project9__> yes sir i do 22:09 < project9__> sir still i ma not able to sortit out problem of i810 based m/c rest of all things are ok 22:10 < jammcq> I don't understand what you are saying 22:10 < project9__> sir i had pronlem with ltsp 3 22:10 < project9__> pls wait 22:11 < Yngwie> jammcq: what you think of freebsd thus far? 22:13 < jammcq> I don't like it so far 22:13 < project9__> i have some m/c with i810 on that i am not getting the login when i login on on m/c my scrren give me colour full lines patch and relogon again i am using all cuurent versions 22:13 < jammcq> not very easy to install 22:13 < jammcq> project9__: what is "m/c" ? 22:13 < project9__> i810 baed client 22:14 < jammcq> project9__: how much RAM in the thin clients ? 22:15 < project9__> it was 32 then it was give error of insffecent agp then i add more 32 now its 64 22:16 < project9__> with 32 mb system ram it was giving error with 64 its ablem to boot but after loin that problem come 22:17 < project9__> i tryed x_mode_0 = 800x600 and 640x480 but still its giveing me 1024x768 res why ? 22:18 < jammcq> project9__: how did you specify 800x600 ? 22:18 < project9__> x_videoram i tryed 2048 and 8192 22:18 < jammcq> project9__: how did you specify 800x600 ? 22:18 < project9__> in ltsconf 22:18 < jammcq> how 22:18 < project9__> in lts.conf 22:18 < jammcq> how 22:19 < jammcq> I KNOW YOU DID IT IN lts.conf, but what line did you add ? 22:19 < project9__> X_VIDEORAM = 8192 22:19 < project9__> X_MODE_0 = 640X480 22:19 < jammcq> ok 22:20 < jammcq> in which section ? 22:20 < jammcq> did you have 'X' or 'x' ? 22:20 < jammcq> 640X480 or 640x480 ? 22:20 < project9__> ws003 22:20 < jammcq> 640X480 or 640x480 ? 22:21 < project9__> 640x480 22:21 < jammcq> ok, are you sure the workstation knows its hostname ? 22:21 < project9__> yes while booting its say ws003 22:22 < jammcq> hmm 22:22 < jammcq> can you send me your lts.conf file ? email it to jam@Ltsp.org 22:23 < project9__> ok 22:23 < project9__> only lts.conf and any other things 22:23 < jammcq> nope 22:23 < project9__> ok sir shall i give it right now 22:27 < project9__> ok sir thanks 22:36 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 22:44 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 22:44 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 22:44 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:46 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 22:49 < project9__> jammcq:sir i think lts.conf is overwritten by new setup file and i dont have backup of that recent file 22:51 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:54 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:22 -!- linuxpoet [~Owner@64.146.135.109] has joined #ltsp 23:25 < linuxpoet> Can I make the assumption that we can use a cdrom to boot instead of a floppy 23:29 < jstraw> linuxpoet: if you can boot it 23:30 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 23:30 < mistik1> awefull waste of space tho 23:31 < mistik1> jstraw: dewd, guess what 23:32 < mistik1> You know how the larger DNS servers you can map www.yourdomain.com -> http://somehost.net:8120 ? 23:33 < jstraw> yea... 23:33 < jstraw> it's not a DNS solution really :) 23:34 < WX> hi 23:41 < jammcq> WX !! 23:41 < jammcq> hey 23:42 < robbie> well cdroms and blank cd's are so cheap nowadays its almost worth using them 23:42 < robbie> instead of roms :P 23:47 < mistik1> jstraw: yes I know 23:47 < mistik1> Its URL cloaking 23:47 < mistik1> I got the SOB figured 23:47 < jstraw> cool 23:47 < mistik1> I just have to figure out how to design a web interface around it 23:48 < jstraw> hehe 23:48 < mistik1> so the users can deal with it all in one place 23:48 < jammcq> "URL Cloaking" ? Somebody has been watching too much star trek 23:49 < mistik1> but have it be a cloak by checking a checkbox or radio button and have the entry inserted to a map file somewhere 23:49 < mistik1> jammcq: you will see url cloaking in action if you goto www.geeksinthehood.net 23:50 < mistik1> make your mouse hover over a link and the truth shall be revealed ;-) 23:51 < mistik1> jammcq: many people use it now 23:51 < mistik1> like myself whos ISP blocks port 80 23:52 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:52 < mistik1> I run my webserver on port 8082 and point www.geeksinthehood.net -> ww2.geeksinthehood.net:8082 23:52 < jstraw> nice 23:52 < project9__> jammcq:sir now i installed after installing my client is giving scrren fatel error on which prv (ltsp-3 )was working fine what is problem its giving xf86 error iam using rh 8 23:53 < mistik1> www.geeksinthehood.net will alway appear in the location bar 23:53 < mistik1> project9__: would you please cut out all this sir this sir that 23:53 < jammcq> project9__: you MUST give me more information. 'fatal error' isn't enough for anyone to help you 23:53 < mistik1> we are all friends and equals in here 23:53 < mistik1> enough already 23:53 < jammcq> mistik1: he's just showing respect :) 23:53 < mistik1> I know 23:53 < project9__> ok 23:53 < project9__> pl s wait 23:54 < mistik1> but sounds too much like boot licking after a time 23:54 < jammcq> although, i'd be just as happy if he called me 'homey' :) 23:54 < mistik1> haha 23:54 < jstraw> as long as it isn't honey? 23:54 < jammcq> umm, yeah 23:54 < mistik1> lol 23:56 -!- linuxpoet [~Owner@64.146.135.109] has left #ltsp [] 23:56 < project9__> ok 23:57 < mistik1> jammcq: starting to see a bit of spam come via your server 23:57 < jammcq> through bigdog ? 23:57 < mistik1> yea 23:58 < jammcq> yeah 23:58 < jstraw> eww 23:59 < mistik1> my scanner is kicking royal arse on my server 23:59 < robbie> kicking ? 23:59 < robbie> scanner ? 23:59 < robbie> as in page or network ? 23:59 < mistik1> spam 23:59 < mistik1> av --- Day changed Sun Aug 10 2003 00:00 < mistik1> I use qmail-scanner(a Perl scanner)+spamassassin+clamav 00:00 < jstraw> jammcq: spamassassin can really hurt 00:00 < robbie> i use exim with a neat script procmail and spamassassin 00:00 < mistik1> qmail scannel calls razor, reformime and all sorts of stuff 00:01 < robbie> been tpying with the netscape 7.1 spam filter 00:01 < robbie> works well, i actualy get better response from peopl ewho i use netscape instead of mozilla 00:01 < robbie> s/tpying/toying 00:01 < robbie> finger dyslexia today 00:01 < robbie> cant type 00:01 < mistik1> indeed spamassassin is great 00:02 < robbie> needs constant updating though 00:02 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:02 < jammcq> etyack is giving a presentation on spamassassin at our user group meeting next tuesday 00:02 < robbie> bout the only thing that will stop spammers is public lynchings 00:02 < jstraw> damn 00:02 < jammcq> I figure i'll implement it after that 00:02 < jstraw> and he didn't talk at all about it at LW 00:02 < mistik1> even when you use RBL lists? 00:02 < project9__> yes honey its giveing server is 6-12 monts old plscheck cvs but i upgrade my x server still its giving error 00:03 < jammcq> :) 00:03 < project9__> kammcq:yes honey its giveing server is 6-12 monts old plscheck cvs but i upgrade my x server still its giving error 00:03 < mistik1> Eric was at lwce with you'll/ 00:03 < jstraw> LoL 00:03 < mistik1> ? 00:03 < jammcq> project9__: where are you from ? 00:03 < mistik1> roflmao 00:03 < jstraw> mistik1: yea, jammcq brough the crew along :) 00:03 < project9__> india 00:04 < project9__> hi honey how r u 00:04 < jstraw> LOL 00:04 < jammcq> project9__: umm, you can just call me 'jammcq', don't worry about honey, homey or sir 00:04 * mistik1 chokes from laughter 00:04 < jammcq> see what you guys did ? 00:04 < jstraw> mistik1: you're just choking? 00:04 < jammcq> see what I gotta put up with ? 00:04 < jstraw> I'm like rolling on the ground 00:05 < project9__> ok 00:05 < jammcq> project9__: that error message must be telling you more than that 00:05 < mistik1> *sigh* 00:06 < jammcq> mistik1: we gotta write that one down :) 00:06 < project9__> 6-12 monts old but i upgrade my x server to 4.3 00:06 < jammcq> project9__: that's not it 00:06 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:06 < project9__> ic 00:07 < project9__> then where i am going wrong 00:07 < mistik1> hehe 00:07 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:07 < jammcq> project9__: you need to show me more of the error message 00:07 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:07 < Snafu_> no comment ... 00:07 < jammcq> :) 00:07 < project9__> ok 00:07 < jammcq> for once, snafu has no comment :) 00:07 < jstraw> you again... 00:07 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:08 < jstraw> jammcq: yea, last comment got him a kick ban 00:08 < mistik1> lol 00:08 < project9__> jammcq:thanks 00:08 < project9__> pls 00:08 < jammcq> what's up with morfic ? 00:08 < jstraw> or one of em 00:08 < jstraw> no idea 00:09 < mistik1> project9__: for one thing your X server on the redhat9 box has nothing to do with ltsp 00:09 < morfic> ? 00:09 < morfic> why 00:09 < Snafu_> lyeing asshole ... you got testy with me .. i left thats what happened .. its in the damn log too .. 00:09 < Snafu_> o well bye 00:09 -!- Snafu_ [~afu@209.176.43.210] has left #LTSP [] 00:09 < jammcq> morfic: you seem to go through alot of disconnect/reconnects 00:09 < morfic> cant one reboot and then realize fxchat always tries to log into wrong freenode server 00:09 < jstraw> yea!!! :) 00:09 < jstraw> got rid of him again! 00:10 < jammcq> he'll be back 00:10 < morfic> who got kick banned? 00:10 * jstraw notes that he feels it his job to piss off Snafu 00:10 < jstraw> morfic: Snafu 00:10 < jstraw> actually, I didn't have to ban him 00:10 < morfic> anyway i have distorted sound in 2.6 alsa drivers 00:10 < jstraw> he left like that 00:10 < morfic> now i made a 2.4 with alsa 00:10 < morfic> same distortion 00:10 < morfic> so il file the bug i filed against kernel against alsa now 00:10 < project9__> jammcq:sorry my client in another room so i wnt there to check error messages 00:10 < project9__> sorry fot that 00:11 < morfic> jstraw: too much snafu for you lately? 00:11 * jstraw hears a specific drum sound 00:11 < jstraw> badum tish 00:11 < jstraw> or some such :) 00:11 < morfic> ? 00:11 < jstraw> nevermind 00:15 < morfic> you spelt it out for me 00:15 < morfic> nice 00:16 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-8.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:17 < project9__> jammcq:to ltsp4 which version of x server is required/do i require os update ?i am using rh 8 00:18 < jammcq> project9__: ltsp-4 uses xfree86 version 4.2.99 00:18 < project9__> its giving error of x server 00:18 < jammcq> project9__: you MUST tell me the error 00:18 < jammcq> it is NOT too old 00:18 < jstraw> morfic: "nm" -> nevermind 00:18 < jstraw> :) 00:20 < project9__> is giving error no screen found 00:21 < jammcq> ok, tell me more 00:21 < project9__> drivers is 6-12 moths old or card is new 00:22 < jammcq> no, there is more than that 00:22 < project9__> protocol version 11 00:23 < jammcq> no 00:23 < jammcq> still more 00:23 < morfic> jstraw: snafu's /kb was in what channel? 00:23 < jstraw> I forgot 00:23 < jstraw> I never had to kb him 00:23 < jstraw> I just pissed him off enough for him to leave 00:24 < morfic> extra ordinary job 00:24 < jstraw> yea 00:25 < morfic> jammcq: what does your ltsp4 roadmap look like 00:25 < project9__> vendor releas 6600 00:25 < jstraw> morfic: he has a roadmap? 00:25 < project9__> no drivers avalable 00:25 < jstraw> wait 00:26 < morfic> jstraw: why do you think i ask 00:26 < jstraw> he might... his PR Person might force it :) 00:26 < jstraw> morfic: 00:26 < morfic> he has a PR person? 00:26 < jstraw> yea... 00:26 < jstraw> she's pretty cool 00:26 < morfic> wife? 00:26 < morfic> i heard force 00:26 < jstraw> nope 00:26 < morfic> sounds like wife 00:26 < jstraw> she's a professional 00:26 < morfic> she is a professional? he hired ahooker? 00:26 < jammcq> she's done the PR for Gnome Foundation and FSF 00:27 < morfic> its not uncommon to call ahooker "a professional" in german 00:27 < jstraw> heh 00:27 < project9__> jammcq:no drivers avalable 00:27 < project9__> jammcq:vendor releas 6600 00:27 < jstraw> project9__: where did you install the drivers? 00:28 < jammcq> jstraw: don't confuse him 00:28 < jstraw> ok... 00:28 < jstraw> not trying 00:28 < jammcq> he installed the ltsp packages 00:28 < jammcq> he has no clue where the drivers got installed 00:28 < project9__> yes 00:28 < jstraw> yea, it sounded like he was installing other drivers :) 00:29 < project9__> i have no idea 00:29 < jstraw> nevermind then 00:29 < jstraw> :) 00:29 < jammcq> project9__: what kind of video card ? 00:29 < project9__> cirrus 5440 00:29 < mistik1> eww 00:29 * jstraw nods his head 00:29 < jammcq> ah, the dreaded cirrus logic 00:29 < project9__> shall i put sis6215 00:30 < jammcq> sure, if you have one 00:30 < mistik1> by all means 00:30 < project9__> ok 00:30 < project9__> pls wait 00:38 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:41 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 00:46 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:47 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:56 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 00:56 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203.219.198.66] has quit ["Client exiting"] 00:56 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:57 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:01 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:02 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:16 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:17 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@adsl-64-170-152-237.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has joined #ltsp 01:17 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:26 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:27 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:28 < mfdutra> hey jammcq 01:36 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:37 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:41 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:41 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 01:41 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:43 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 01:43 -!- morfic__ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 01:43 -!- morfic- [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 01:45 -!- morfic- [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:45 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:45 -!- morfic__ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:51 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:51 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 01:54 -!- bintut [~bintut@202.8.246.186] has joined #ltsp 01:55 < bintut> hello.. 01:55 < bintut> upto how many printers does one ltsp network supports? 01:58 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 01:59 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:03 -!- bintut [~bintut@202.8.246.186] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 02:26 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 02:33 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [] 02:37 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@adsl-64-170-152-237.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 03:23 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 03:24 < Yngwie> sort out your previous problems project? 03:28 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:35 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 03:37 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-138.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 03:39 < project9__> jammcq: dear friend this is a dtls error there are some more lines ..XF86free86 version 4.2.99.1 /x windows system (protocol version 11 revision 0 vernder number 6600) if the server is older then 6-12 monts...... build open system :linux 2.4.9-13-jam -1 - 686 ...error (NI) not implemented unknows ...using config /tmp/xf86config.1 ....fatel server error ... no screen found 03:41 < project9__> this is same error giving on i810 baesd system also but after error screen flicker for some time and our old gray sceen with big x come 03:49 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 03:50 < project9__> i check with ltspcfg all server everyting is yes except xdmcp is ebanle :no but when i try to config with option 7 it says .........The Xdmcp service is already enabled and running! 03:50 < project9__> jammcq: r u there 03:52 < project9__> yngwie :can u help me on this project 04:03 < project9__> is any one setup ltsp 4 pls send send u r lts.conf to me 04:11 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 04:15 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 04:29 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 04:35 -!- stockholm [~stockholm@pD9E14579.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 05:30 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:39 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:00 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 06:06 -!- heino [heino@p508E19BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 06:07 -!- heino [heino@p508E19BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:10 -!- semtex [~brendan@cD908889B.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ltsp 06:30 -!- Faithful1 [~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 06:31 -!- Faithful1 [~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 07:07 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-30-63.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 07:08 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-30-63.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Client Quit] 07:11 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-30-63.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 07:47 -!- bintut [~bintut@202.8.246.186] has joined #ltsp 07:48 < bintut> hello.. 07:51 < bintut> upto how many printers does one ltsp network based setup supports? 07:54 < stockholm> Hmmm... depends on the software you use 07:54 -!- o_chapa [~felipe@200.97.229.42] has joined #ltsp 07:54 < stockholm> Try looking it up in the docs there, e.g. cups 07:54 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-30-63.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 07:55 < bintut> i have one ltsp based network having 18 to 20 diskless workstations for an office setup with 5 to 7 printers but only 2 printers works. 07:56 < bintut> the printers are attached to the workstations 07:56 < bintut> stockholm: docs of what? ltsp or cups? 07:56 < stockholm> cups, if you use it 07:56 < bintut> stockholm: i am wondering why the other printers doesn't work 07:57 < stockholm> They are connected to parport of the ws, right? 07:57 < bintut> stockholm: i'm using cups for printing. 07:57 < stockholm> Fine 07:57 < bintut> yes 07:57 < stockholm> Did you set the printer daemon in lts.conf for all the workstations with printers attached? 07:57 < bintut> so, 7 of the workstations have each own printer with different brand names and model 07:58 < stockholm> That's OK so far. Are you sure all of there printers are supported by cups? 07:59 < bintut> stockholm: yes, all the printers are supported by cups. 07:59 < stockholm> can you test if the printers can be accessed on port 9100 of the workstation? 08:00 < stockholm> E.g. telnet to that port and send some stuff 08:00 < stockholm> I think the printers would have to print everything you type, then. 08:00 < bintut> stockholm: i add a 2 lines in the lts.conf for the workstations that have printers 08:00 < bintut> PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 08:00 < bintut> PRINTER_0_TYPE = P 08:00 < stockholm> Looks ok, if that's all parallel printers. 08:01 < bintut> yes, all parallel ports 08:02 < stockholm> You configured them into cups? 08:02 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-13.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 08:02 < kungfuftr> cups + samba is always a good choice 08:04 < bintut> stockholm: the printers that doesn't work are the following: [1] Epson EPL-5900L, [2] Canon BJC-2100SP, [3] HP DeskJet 610C, [4] HP DeskJet 920C, [5] Canon BJC-1000SP 08:04 < bintut> stockholm: i'm using mandrake 9.1 and i configured them using 'printerdrake' in the mandrake control center. 08:04 < stockholm> I don't know mandrake! Perhaps their printerdrake only supports two printers? 08:04 < bintut> kungfuftr: i don't have any windows box so i think i don't need samba 08:05 < bintut> stockholm: i don't think so it's the printerdrake. 08:05 < stockholm> Can you look directly into the /etc/cups/cups.conf if all printers appear there? 08:06 < bintut> stockholm: printerdrake is using cups + foomatic. it's just a gui admin. 08:06 < stockholm> ok. 08:06 < stockholm> What about printing with lpr to one of the not-working printers? 08:06 < bintut> stockholm: i can't for now as i am not in the office. i'm using my home pc right now and our office is not currently connected to the internet. 08:06 < bintut> stockholm: same problem. 08:07 < stockholm> Which error do you get? 08:07 < stockholm> Or do the printers just "don't show up in the list"? 08:07 < o_chapa> hey guys, how can i get the root in a workstation diskless ltsp thought telent? 08:08 < bintut> stockholm: the printers are detected using an auto-detection connected in the network and i set the printers just the 2 printers that are working perfectly the same as what i did.. 08:08 < stockholm> o_chapa: I think it's not planned to become root via telnet, but it is doable... moment... 08:09 < stockholm> bintut: what kind of auto-detection??? 08:09 < kungfuftr> bintut-> who said anything about windows? 08:09 < kungfuftr> samba is good for file sharing in general... also printer sharing 08:09 < stockholm> o_chapa: Change /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/passwd so that a valid enctypted password and a valid shell are set for root 08:09 < bintut> stockholm: network connected printers 08:10 < stockholm> o_chapa: You probably need local_apps installed 08:10 < stockholm> bintut: So only the network-printers do work, not the workstation-connected ones? 08:10 -!- kVanQue is now known as fisk 08:10 -!- fisk is now known as kVanQue 08:11 < o_chapa> stockholm: local_apps was installed 08:11 < bintut> stockholm: i didn't set the printers are 'locally connected printers' because as a diskless workstations, the system are actually installed at the server. 08:12 < o_chapa> stockholm: how i change passwd? 08:12 < stockholm> The printers should be configured as HP JetDirect connected printers, IIRC. Their port would be 9100 then 08:13 < stockholm> o_chapa: Set e.g. RaZttw03afso. Between the :: right after root, this would be the equivalent to the password "sikrit" 08:13 < stockholm> o_chapa Including the trailing dot. 08:13 < bintut> stockholm: afair, when i print a test page, it says that successful printing but nothing happens in the printer. it doesn't print actually. 08:14 < stockholm> So doing the telnet test would be one step to verify if the printers react to network activity at all. 08:14 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-138.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:14 -!- Snafu_ [~afu@209.176.43.210] has joined #LTSP 08:15 < o_chapa> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/false 08:15 < bintut> stockholm: how? 08:15 < o_chapa> change to root:: ? 08:15 < Snafu_> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/dev/null ;=) 08:15 < stockholm> o_chapa: Should look like root:RaZttw03afso.:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh 08:15 < stockholm> Snafu_: He wants telnet to his workstations 08:16 < Snafu_> i suppose we should do up a client sshd kit ... 08:16 < stockholm> o_chapa: And be sure to later replace that RaZttw.. with something not maening "sikrit" for password :-) 08:16 < bintut> but guys, can you confirm to me that one ltsp network supports more than 2 printers? 08:16 < stockholm> bintut: My one only has just two, so :-/ 08:17 < bintut> not just two printers in just one ltsp based network? 08:17 < stockholm> bintut: I'm sure however there can be more. 08:17 < Snafu_> it worx as rexec well and you can invoke client local programs via the server run desktop from it then ... 08:18 < stockholm> telnet test I mean: /root# telnet ws001:9100 -> Connecting to ...... -> Type something\nSomething more\nLots of enters... Quit telnet connections (I think with Ctrl-] quit ) 08:18 < Snafu_> why would there be any printer limit .. 08:18 < bintut> stockholm: as what i understand in the ltsp documentation, a workstation supports upto 3 printers connected to it (2 parport, 1 serport) but doesn't say that for one LTSP based network 08:19 < bintut> Snafu_: what do you mean? was it for me? 08:19 < stockholm> No it says for one workstation maximally to have three network ports 9100, 9101, 9102 for printers 08:19 < stockholm> You can have up to thousands of ws with each three printers, I think 08:19 < o_chapa> stockholm: thakyou, i become root here 08:19 < Snafu_> and the printer daemon can run on more than those ports .. 08:19 < stockholm> Snafu_: YOu have experience with making ssh-login on the clients working? 08:20 < stockholm> Snafu_: Probably that's not what he wants anyway 08:20 -!- o_chapa [~felipe@200.97.229.42] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1"] 08:20 < stockholm> I meant the more than 3 printers per ws 08:20 < Snafu_> stock why would it be any big deal ? (sshd/opensshd) 08:21 < stockholm> And they just run as local_app, you mean? 08:21 < stockholm> I had some difficulties with them last time I tried. 08:22 < stockholm> Or is there any package available? 08:22 < Snafu_> i have the code for rexecd round here somewheres .. passwd are in plaintext on those old things like rexec rsh rlogin ... 08:23 < bintut> stockholm: that's what i assume and how i understand. 08:23 < Snafu_> difficulties ? welp openssh these days isnt very "plain" it seems to need more and more things like privsep but i thing you can ./configure some of the annoyanced off/disabled and there is always the other ssh 08:25 < bintut> but i have any guess why the printers doesn't print. when i checked the cups' logs, print jobs were successful. 08:27 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:28 < bintut> s/but i have any/but i don't have any 08:29 < Snafu_> heh now that they have that LBE kit ... perhaps building a matching opensshd will be easier this time ... ./configure for some of the fancy shmancy things like privsep and tcpwrapper turned off etc ... 08:30 < bintut> Snafu_: any idea? 08:30 < bintut> Snafu_: the printers that doesn't work are the following: [1] Epson EPL-5900L, [2] Canon BJC-2100SP, [3] HP DeskJet 610C, [4] HP DeskJet 920C, [5] Canon BJC-1000SP 08:31 < Snafu_> bin logs where the spooler ? it can mean the file was dumped over the network and what happens next is none its doing ... 08:32 < kungfuftr> hehe 08:32 < kungfuftr> looks like my server is confusing the rest of the network by responding with an ipv6 address on arp requests 08:32 < bintut> Snafu_: i think it is. but i just configure the other printers just like the first 2 printers that works perfectly. 08:33 < Snafu_> or you dont even have some of the needed bits like ghostscript n fonts n friends ... i have to admit im a unix printer dunce ... slack has aps filter, and its "always works" repute with my simple printers have kept any motive to look closer from me ... 08:35 < bintut> hhmmm.. 08:35 < Snafu_> ltsp4 has more neat "stuff" 08:35 < bintut> but based on the printers that i just posted here, they are supported by cups. 08:36 < bintut> Snafu_: i believe. i'll test it later. 08:36 < Snafu_> SCREEN_01 = telnet 192.168.254.254 08:36 < Snafu_> SCREEN_02 = remote_x 08:36 < Snafu_> screen defs in the .conf file neat stuff 08:38 < Snafu_> [ws005] 08:38 < Snafu_> LIKE = Dimension 08:38 < Snafu_> PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS1 08:38 < Snafu_> PRINTER_0_TYPE = S 08:38 < Snafu_> printers in the lts.conf .. 08:39 < bintut> what does "LIKE" mean? 08:39 < Snafu_> ya his cfg/init has gotten more powerfull ... 08:39 < Snafu_> inheritance read this ... 08:39 < Snafu_> http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.html 08:40 < Snafu_> he has made handling hardware diffs across your pool of client hardware easier ... 08:41 < bintut> hhmmm... 08:42 < bintut> i think it's cool 08:43 < Snafu_> ya slick .. in the past ya had to hack a bit to deal w that .. 08:44 < Snafu_> his LBE kit will make it easier to make client side binaries without tossing up a rh7 box etc ... 08:45 < bintut> :) 08:45 < bintut> i really can't figure out my problem. :( 08:45 < Snafu_> so fire up iptraf and watch the network 08:46 < bintut> oh? 08:47 < Snafu_> it would at least tell you if the client is getting the stream, or if its going to a write only memeory WOM !! in the spool ttree 08:50 < bintut> ok 08:50 < bintut> what other tips on how can i isolate my printer problems? 08:51 < Snafu_> past iptraf ? that wpuld be a good guess eh ? since we dont even know which end the problem is ? ( hint hint ) 08:53 < bintut> afair, when i do a print test page, cups' logs was successful.. 08:53 < bintut> but the printers doesn't print the job. 08:53 < Snafu_> and if it shoved it out over the network ,,, why isnt that a success as far as cum gives a damn ? 08:56 < bintut> what do you mean? 08:57 < Snafu_> cramming the job down /dev/null would be "success!" also . 08:57 < bintut> oh.. 08:58 < bintut> so, what will i do with that kind of scenario? 08:58 < Snafu_> as i said fire up iptraf get it if ya dont have it 08:58 < Snafu_> past iptraf ? that wpuld be a good guess eh ? since we dont even know which end the problem is ? ( hint hint ) 08:58 < bintut> actually, this is my first time to do a printing job on unix/linux eversince. 08:59 < Snafu_> and if it shoved it out over the network ,,, why isnt that a success as far as cups gives a damn ? 08:59 < bintut> and it is using an ltsp based network 08:59 < bintut> ah.. 09:00 < Snafu_> printing on unix means the data is handed off to usually several packages the spool the filter the lpd daemon and if the cli9ent accepted it how would the server know it went no-where ? 09:02 < bintut> hhmmm.. 09:02 < Snafu_> all of the varios things has the ability to log less or more for debugging this stuff .. i havent looked at the lp_server code .. but if iptraf shows the client getting the spool, at least you know which end to look at then .. 09:04 < Snafu_> [ws001] 09:04 < Snafu_> PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 09:04 < Snafu_> PRINTER_0_TYPE = P 09:04 < Snafu_> in lts.conf etc ... 09:04 < Snafu_> http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html 09:04 < Faithful> bintut: what sort of printer is it 09:04 -!- zx [~zakaria@202.155.120.141] has joined #ltsp 09:06 < Faithful> Snafu_: what happened to midnight 09:06 < bintut> Snafu_: i have that in the workstations that have the printers installed. 09:06 < bintut> [1] Epson EPL-5900L, [2] Canon BJC-2100SP, [3] HP DeskJet 610C, [4] HP DeskJet 920C, [5] Canon BJC-1000SP 09:06 < Snafu_> shes around i see her on our efnet hangout ... 09:07 < bintut> Faithful: those are the printers that doesn't work anymore. 09:07 < bintut> but the setup that i did was the same process that i did with the 2 workstations that have printers. 09:07 < Faithful> the daemon on the workstations are running (you tried to telnet ip 9100)? 09:08 < Snafu_> food bbl 09:08 < Faithful> Snafu_: ya... where is your efnet hangout? 09:09 < Snafu_> #OS2 #ArtBell2 others 09:09 < Snafu_> food .. 09:09 < Faithful> K 09:10 < bintut> Faithful: not yet. i don't have any idea on how to troubleshoot printers in ltsp setup. 09:10 < bintut> Snafu_: chew it well..; 09:14 < bintut> Faithful: what do i expect if i do a 'telnet ws_ip 9100'? 09:19 < Faithful> type in some garbage and then hit ctrl+] to get back out 09:19 < Faithful> the printer should print the garbage 09:35 -!- zx [~zakaria@202.155.120.141] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 09:42 -!- manimay_ [~manimay@pD95447C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 09:43 -!- manimay [~manimay@pD9544E25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:45 -!- bintut [~bintut@202.8.246.186] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:46 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 09:52 < Snafu_> That is the whole trouble with being a heretic. One usually must think out everything for oneself. -- Aubrey Menan 09:57 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-41-140.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 10:08 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 10:08 < project9__> jammcq:dear friend how do i uninstall ltsp 4 10:09 < project9__> my os doesnt support ltsp 4 10:09 < project9__> xserver is old 10:12 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Client Quit] 10:33 -!- Bill_E_laptop [~bill@cs24272-182.austin.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 10:35 < Bill_E_laptop> I've gotltspup and running. One of the clients has a PS/2 wheel mouse, but the wheel doesn't work. What do I need to change? 10:35 -!- Ippe [Ippe@baana-62-44-219-253.phnet.fi] has joined #ltsp 10:36 -!- Ippe [Ippe@baana-62-44-219-253.phnet.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 10:45 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has joined #ltsp 10:45 < prpplague> jammcq: ping 10:46 < jammcq> prpplague: pong 10:47 < prpplague> jammcq: hey, could you ask ron to resend his contact info, the folks in honduras need it again 10:47 < jammcq> prpplague: sure thang 10:47 < jammcq> where should he send it ? 10:47 < prpplague> dave123@abcsinc.com 10:48 < jammcq> sure 10:48 < prpplague> jammcq: played around with the jammin-150 friday, nice 10:48 < prpplague> jammcq: you use any of the slots for anything? 10:48 < jammcq> not yet 10:48 < jammcq> so, what's yer status there at abcs ? 10:48 < prpplague> shitty 10:48 < prpplague> lol 10:49 < jammcq> :) 10:49 < prpplague> jammcq: just treading water 10:49 < prpplague> jammcq: just doing server stuff 10:49 < prpplague> jammcq: very boring 10:49 < prpplague> jammcq: since all the r&d department got closed 10:50 < prpplague> jammcq: we start a thin client exchange buy back program next week 10:50 < prpplague> jammcq: in exchange for dell winblows pc's 10:50 < jammcq> wow 10:51 < prpplague> yep, fun 10:51 < prpplague> jammcq: just couldn't fight against the major vendors after they signed those deals with m$ 10:52 < jammcq> yeah, kinda sux 10:52 < prpplague> oh well, still have a job and i don't have to tell with winblows, so i guess thats a good thing 10:53 < jammcq> yeah, could be worse 10:53 < prpplague> pretty sad though, we used to be cutting edge on stuff 10:53 < prpplague> they just didn't want to keep things rolling 11:06 < Snafu_> Jamm ltsp 4 roks .. lot of changes from the early pkg the per client cfg capability is new eh ? ie the [wsxxx] LIKE = yyyy 11:07 < jammcq> yeah, that's sort of like inheritance 11:08 < Snafu_> i like it before ya sorat had to hack in that stuff dhcpd.conf etc 11:09 < Snafu_> quite elegant way to deal with a good amt of hardware varibles .. 11:10 < prpplague> jammcq: still getting alot of requests to speak at shows? 11:10 < Snafu_> and perhaps your LBE kit is good enough to whup up a minumal openssh daemon for callback / rexec turn off privsep etc ... 11:10 < jammcq> prpplague: yeah, it's getting pretty busy 11:10 < prpplague> jammcq: must be nice 11:10 < jammcq> prpplague: i'm heading back to germany in october 11:11 < jammcq> and I hope to go to Australia in January 11:11 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> http://www.axis-of-aevil.org/photos/yapc2003/IMG_1896.html - can you spot me? 11:11 < Bill_E_laptop> never mind my earlier question...reading the docs, the example in 10.2 solved my wheelmouse problem 11:12 < jammcq> kungfuftr: umm, no 11:13 < Snafu_> and a lex parser for getcfg muahah wassamatter tired of hand hacking CASE / SWICH tables and parsing strings ? 11:13 < Snafu_> hehehehe 11:13 < jammcq> :) 11:13 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> tip... japanese style bandana 11:14 < jammcq> ah, red and white ? 11:15 < kungfuftr> yup! 11:15 < Snafu_> gee they made him leave the 5 foot 4 poind razor blade in the car ? 11:15 < jammcq> where was that at ? 11:16 < prpplague> jammcq: got a script using the getltscfg -a option i could look at? 11:16 < jammcq> prpplague:eval `/bin/getltscfg -a` 11:16 < jammcq> that's all you need 11:16 < jammcq> it will set environment variables for you 11:17 < prpplague> jammcq: ya thats what i'm doing, just wanted to see if you were using it in any other way 11:18 < jammcq> nope 11:18 < prpplague> jammcq: did you fix the interface check message? 11:19 < jammcq> what 'interface check' message ? 11:19 < prpplague> jammcq: the one i told you about where if you don't have any ip addresses configured getltscfg complains 11:20 < prpplague> jammcq: not really important i guess, just thought i would ask 11:20 < jammcq> I must have missed that 11:20 < prpplague> jammcq: ahh ok 11:20 < jammcq> but, LTSP will always have the interface configured, so it's not a problem for us 11:21 < prpplague> jammcq: yea 11:21 < prpplague> jammcq: i use getltscfg to configs for wep keys as well as other local settings 11:21 < prpplague> s/to/to get 11:21 < jammcq> brb, i've been told the van is leaking trans fluid. I need to go check it 11:22 < prpplague> jammcq: later 11:22 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 11:22 < kungfuftr> jammcq-> that was at YAPC::Europe 11:26 -!- habbe [habbe@habbe.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 11:27 < jammcq> hey habbe 11:27 < habbe> hey jammcq 11:27 < habbe> sup? 11:28 < jammcq> hey, not too much 11:28 < jammcq> how you doing ? 11:28 < habbe> ohh, doing ok..just came back from a meeting with some politicians 11:29 < Snafu_> ya must feel all slimy now .. 11:29 < habbe> you bet 11:29 < habbe> those guys are...hhmmm...well, let's not go into that 11:32 < Snafu_> i wish sgi would release their dgl protocol grrr 11:32 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 11:32 < Bill_E_laptop> is it possible to dual boot (off a hd) ltsp and Windows 98? 11:33 < Snafu_> linux and nvida glx dont supoort irisgl over the wire .. so im gonna need a sgi tube for the i/2 Bill yeah 11:33 < jammcq> Bill_E_laptop: yeah, you would need to use a bootloader, like grub or lilo 11:34 < Snafu_> Bill you can boot into dos mode then start the kernel with loadlin.exe that would get you there 11:34 < Snafu_> Yup that too .. 11:36 < Snafu_> loadlin dont need ya to alter the bootsector ... cept ya gotta boot dos mode w96 can still do that i hope 11:36 < Bill_E_laptop> guess install a minimum debian with grub, copy ltsp boot floppy to a image file 11:36 < Snafu_> er w98 11:37 < Snafu_> Fubar:/# cat /dos/linux.bat 11:37 < Snafu_> c:\loadlin\loadlin c:\boot\v2419 root=/dev/sdb2 ro 11:37 < Snafu_> Fubar:/# 11:37 < Snafu_> loadlin can load the kernel and initrd so ya wouldnt need the whole floppy image 11:38 < Bill_E_laptop> I currently use a boot floppy I got from rom-o-matic because the system doesn't support boot to network 11:39 < Snafu_> cant w98 still boot to plain dos ? 11:39 < Bill_E_laptop> yes 11:39 < Snafu_> ok so loadlin will work 11:40 < Snafu_> you would load the kernel and initrd right off the local w98 vfat ... 11:41 < Bill_E_laptop> would i have to have the server mounted as a shared drive? 11:41 < Snafu_> nope ... 11:42 < Snafu_> kernel and initrd would load via loadlin.exe off vfat .. kernel would start .. you would pass the parms it normally gets from dhcp in the loadlin comand line 11:43 < Snafu_> thee is also a dos exec 11:45 < Snafu_> thee is also a dos exec able rom-o-matic.. the same code made into a com file aint seen it in a while some util makes it 11:45 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: no_paste, stockholm, TheLaw, Vee2d2, pattieja, robbie, ccjoe, kVanQue, Bill_E_laptop, TrAnCeFX, (+22 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 11:45 -!- Netsplit over, joins: morfic, arc, Bill_E_laptop, __OOps__, Snafu_, Mundy__, semtex, robbie, stockholm, hdaalz (+22 more) 11:45 < Snafu_> if you want to maintian a local boot sector you can load a minimal zipslack and have a mini linux there with as much to little as you want ... from X11 local to just a kernel and enough to run lilo 11:46 < Snafu_> easist would be loadlin tho ... its a loader run from the dos prompt .. dos based kernel loader 11:47 < Snafu_> so ya dont need to mess with grub or lilo or syslinux or ... 11:47 < Snafu_> ot touch the boot sector 11:48 < Snafu_> it ships on every linux cd afaik i can toss a copy out in http land if it would save ya some bother 11:49 < Snafu_> http://www.nop.org/misc/files/loadlin16c.zip 11:50 < Snafu_> give that a look ... 11:52 < Snafu_> good option for a wireless laptop/ltsp too .. after your up .. issue a hdparm command and put the disk to sleep 11:57 -!- __OOps__ is now known as OOps 11:59 -!- bails [~bails@62.25.145.173] has joined #ltsp 12:03 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:03 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 12:04 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has joined #ltsp 12:06 -!- barryt [~barryt@pc-62-30-13-18-lp.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 12:10 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:16 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 12:18 -!- habbe [habbe@habbe.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Client Quit] 12:22 < stockholm> Bill: Try getting a .com from rom-o-matic for your NIC. Then setup a config.sys menu and voila. 12:23 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 12:26 -!- WX [~chris@12-240-193-11.client.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:29 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-1213.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 12:29 < jammcq> hey ragnar 12:29 < Snafu_> stock ;=) 12:30 -!- ak47 [~root@PPP-219.65.13.124.mum1.vsnl.net.in] has joined #ltsp 12:30 < ragnar> jammcq: hey 12:31 < ragnar> jammcq: how was the show? 12:31 < jammcq> the show was excellent 12:31 < jammcq> had a blast, as usual 12:31 < ragnar> good 12:31 < jammcq> did you see my LinuxWorld wrap-up email ? 12:32 < ragnar> no, i've just come home afvter a week off 12:32 < ragnar> i need to read my emails 12:32 < jammcq> ah, you have lots of news to catch up on. LTSP took the 'Best Open Source Project" award at Linux World 12:33 < ak47> can anyone tell me how to install xdm on rh9? 12:33 < ragnar> wow, congratulations! 12:33 < jammcq> ak47: it should already be there 12:34 < ak47> how do you configure? 12:34 < ak47> i went to /etc/X11/xdm 12:34 < jammcq> edit the file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop 12:34 < jammcq> and add a line that says: DISPLAYMANAGER=XDM 12:35 < ak47> thanx 12:44 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 12:53 -!- ak47 [~root@PPP-219.65.13.124.mum1.vsnl.net.in] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 12:54 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has joined #ltsp 12:55 < prpplague> jammcq: got any plans for the pcmcia and card slot on the jammin-150? 12:58 < jammcq> prpplague: you talking about the slot on the front or the back ? 12:59 < prpplague> both, the pcmcia and the media card 13:00 < jammcq> yeah, we are definately interested in the smartcard slot on the front, for authentication and session management. the pcmcia slot could be very useful for wireless workstations 13:01 < prpplague> are you getting yours from the manufacturer with a doc/dom or are you getting them without? 13:01 < jammcq> we get them without 13:14 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has joined #ltsp 13:28 -!- Zeus [~jonathan@164.77.158.36] has joined #ltsp 13:49 -!- Techmania [plastelin@213.16.62.132] has joined #ltsp 13:53 -!- Techmania [plastelin@213.16.62.132] has quit [Client Quit] 13:56 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-38.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 14:00 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-41-140.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:01 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:05 -!- Mundy___ [~mundy@dialup-20.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 14:15 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-38.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:23 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-13.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:23 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-174-65.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 14:25 -!- Zeus [~jonathan@164.77.158.36] has quit ["bye"] 14:29 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 14:34 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-70.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 14:52 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-150.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 15:01 -!- Mundy___ [~mundy@dialup-20.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:02 -!- Mundy___ [~mundy@dialup-134.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 15:12 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-174-65.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 15:19 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-70.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:29 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-150.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:34 -!- bails [~bails@62.25.145.173] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:47 -!- bulaviti [~t@0-2pool178-95.nas21.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ltsp 15:49 < bulaviti> has anyone gotten ltps to work in vmware v3.0 ? 15:49 < bulaviti> as a client 15:55 < stockholm> yes, here :-) 15:56 < bulaviti> what settings are you using? 15:56 < stockholm> you need etherboot 5.0.11 (from rom-o-matic.net) in .lzdsk format. store that as eb.flp and use as foppy img 15:56 < stockholm> for the lts.conf, moment... 15:57 < stockholm> XSERVER = auto 15:57 < stockholm> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" 15:57 < stockholm> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" 15:57 < stockholm> X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 15:57 < stockholm> X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 15:58 < stockholm> X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 15:58 < stockholm> #X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 15:58 < stockholm> X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 15:59 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.9] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 16:01 < stockholm> in vmware: no disk, only floppy of course. bridged network. it is on another machine than the ltsp server. 16:01 < bulaviti> very cool THANKS alot!!! 16:01 < stockholm> welcome! 16:01 < bulaviti> yes I had it booting just could not boot the x server 16:02 < stockholm> ah so :-) had that problem too at first. 16:03 < bulaviti> thanks 16:06 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-86.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 16:09 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 16:10 -!- bulaviti [~t@0-2pool178-95.nas21.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has quit [] 16:15 -!- bulaviti [~t@0-2pool178-95.nas21.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ltsp 16:16 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-79.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 16:17 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:18 -!- Mundy___ [~mundy@dialup-134.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:43 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-86.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:44 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 16:51 -!- semtex [~brendan@cD908889B.sdsl.catch.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 17:16 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-143.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 17:25 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-143.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:29 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has joined #ltsp 17:38 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-174-13.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 17:38 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 17:44 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-79.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:12 -!- barryt [~barryt@pc-62-30-13-18-lp.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4"] 18:24 < arnelgp> hi 18:25 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-1213.bb.online.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 18:36 < stockholm> hi arnelgp 18:45 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-174-13.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 19:17 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 19:23 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 19:24 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:24 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 19:25 < Bill_E_laptop> do allof the thin clients on ebay work with ltsp? 19:26 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:32 < stockholm> I wouldn't think so. 19:32 < stockholm> Those with a WinCE inside and without PXE support will not out-of-the-box operate with LTSP. Perhaps after some BIOS tweaking or so. 19:36 < arnelgp> how can i set the uid back to normal user? all of the user that login in my ltsp server becomes uid =o were it should be the uid of just ordinary user. 19:36 < arnelgp> Aug 11 08:40:11 server kde(pam_unix)[26371]: session opened for user arnelgp by (uid=0) 19:36 < arnelgp> Aug 11 08:40:11 server kde(pam_unix)[26371]: session closed for user arnelgp 19:37 < arnelgp> does anybody encounter this? any idea pls? 19:37 < stockholm> Sure they *are* uid 0? 19:37 < stockholm> IIRC kdm runs as uid 0 , so opened "by" uid 0 would be fine for kde 19:37 < arnelgp> yes .. it becomes 0 all users... 19:37 < stockholm> Open a terminal in kde and issue the "id" command 19:38 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has joined #ltsp 19:38 < arnelgp> i cant login in kde either 19:38 < arnelgp> i can just login in server text mode 19:39 < stockholm> What did you break ;-)? 19:39 < stockholm> So do the workstations display the kdm login screen? 19:39 < arnelgp> uid=500(arnelgp) gid=500(arnelgp) groups=500(arnelgp),532(Developer),601(ym_users),602(mc_user),603(mcgroup) 19:39 < stockholm> That looks very fine. 19:40 < arnelgp> yes d ws display kdm 19:40 < arnelgp> but it wont login 19:40 < arnelgp> in any wm 19:40 < stockholm> How to understand, won't? Just flicker and return to kdm or so? 19:40 < arnelgp> only root can login... others none 19:41 < stockholm> Then kdm is probably misconfigured. Have a look into /etc/kde2/kdm/kdmrc (there it's for me, perhaps /etc/kde3 for the newer KDE3...) 19:41 < stockholm> There could be some distinguishing stuff for users that may login... just search for "root" right now, and look if something looks suspicious 19:43 < arnelgp> ok im trying to look for it now 19:45 < arnelgp> this is what i find 19:45 < arnelgp> # Allow root logins? Default is true 19:45 < arnelgp> AllowRootLogin=true 19:46 < arnelgp> would that be set it to what? 19:46 < Snafu_> " No, I found sco in the changelog... so it's only a matter of time before payments are required "immediately deregistering while in the diSCOnnect routine causes crashes because the videodev layer .... stack, and which had gone out of SCOpe. .. "" 19:46 < arc> Snafu_: :? 19:48 < Snafu_> so have you tried xdm ? heh both the gnome and kde disp managers can be balky 19:48 -!- bula2003 [~t@0-2pool177-55.nas19.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ltsp 19:50 < Snafu_> corrupt saved session file can hose things .. even the umask can host things 19:55 -!- bulaviti [~t@0-2pool178-95.nas21.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:56 < bula2003> all of my fonts are messed up in evolution and sum other programs how can i fix this? 19:56 < arnelgp> stockholm: you have encounter this problem? 19:57 < stockholm> nope, just the general kdm trouble :-/ 19:58 < stockholm> As Snafu suggests, you could give xdm a shot to verify it's kdm's fault, nothing else 19:58 < bula2003> Do I need to run a font server? 19:58 < Snafu_> thats the idea 20:00 < jstraw> erm... whoa, Snafu_ is being helpful! 20:00 < jstraw> thank you Snafu_! 20:04 < arnelgp> stockholm: what do you mean a shot? 20:05 < arnelgp> how can i set to xdm again instead of kdm? 20:05 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 20:05 < Snafu_> hmmph 20:05 -!- Snafu_ [~afu@209.176.43.210] has left #LTSP [] 20:07 < stockholm> Try shutting down kdm, on Debian it is /etc/init.d/kdm stop 20:07 < stockholm> Then try starting xdm like /etc/init.d/xdm start 20:07 < stockholm> Might vary on your distro 20:07 < arnelgp> im using rh7.3 20:09 < stockholm> don't know cause don't use. 20:09 < stockholm> Try "killall kdm" if you don't find other possibility 20:09 < stockholm> Start xdm then by calling it directly 20:10 < stockholm> Make sure xdm honours remote requests. Some setting in /etc/X11/xdmrc or so... pity Snafu left as he seems to know better than me 20:14 < arnelgp> is jammcq arround? 20:15 < arnelgp> jammcq: how can i set kdm to xdm again? 20:15 < arnelgp> stockholm: i tried to killall kdm.. but, icant find starting xdm again .. 20:16 < stockholm> Is it installed at all? 20:18 < arnelgp> stockholm: yes 20:18 < arnelgp> it was running xdm last time but jammcq told to set and used kdm so thats y im running kdm now 20:19 < arnelgp> it just happend that i set chmod 777 / 20:19 < arnelgp> then i encounter some to this problem 20:19 < arnelgp> and jammcq told me to put chmod 0755 back to its original setings 20:20 < arnelgp> but still i encounter this problem 20:20 < stockholm> that's reasonable, yes. 20:20 < stockholm> I did not understand: You had this problem on xdm too? 20:23 < arnelgp> thats why i dont understand either 20:24 < stockholm> Any changes in /etc/X11/Xsession or so? 20:24 < stockholm> Or did it just come with the chmod switching 20:25 -!- rjune [~rjune@12-215-101-13.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ltsp 20:25 < rjune> jammcq: you around? 20:26 < stockholm> Someone should program a jammcq-ping-o-meter as often as this question is asked here :-) 20:27 < rjune> 870 20:27 < rjune> yeah.870 20:27 < rjune> Doh! 20:27 < jammcq> hey guys, whats up ? 20:28 < jstraw> DrEvil: seen jammcq 20:28 < DrEvil> jammcq was last seen on #ltsp 6 seconds ago, saying: hey guys, whats up ? [Sun Aug 10 19:46:29 2003] 20:28 < jstraw> :) 20:28 < jammcq> :) 20:28 < jstraw> bbiab 20:28 < rjune> Hiya Jamm 20:28 < arnelgp> jammcq: can you help me with my problem? 20:28 < jammcq> what is the problem ? 20:29 < arnelgp> wait i will show you the log 20:30 < arnelgp> Aug 11 09:32:27 server kde(pam_unix)[1757]: session opened for user arnelgp by ( 20:30 < arnelgp> uid=0) 20:30 < arnelgp> Aug 11 09:32:27 server kde(pam_unix)[1757]: session closed for user arnelgp 20:30 < arnelgp> in my ws any ordinary user cant login 20:30 < arnelgp> only root can login 20:30 < jammcq> ok, what happens when you try as a non-root user ? 20:31 < arnelgp> thats the error messages that i paste on top will appear 20:31 < arnelgp> it wont login 20:31 < arnelgp> it will accept the user and passwd but it will go back 20:31 < arnelgp> to login screen again 20:31 < jammcq> ok, which display manager are you using ? 20:31 < rjune> arnelgp: what login shell do you have set for your user? 20:31 < arnelgp> im using kdm 20:32 < jammcq> ok, you need to put some debugging lines into the xsession script that kdm is running 20:32 < jammcq> what distro ? 20:33 < arnelgp> arnelgp:x:500:500::/home/arnelgp:/bin/bash 20:33 < arnelgp> im using rh73 20:33 < arnelgp> rjune: arnelgp:x:500:500::/home/arnelgp:/bin/bash 20:34 < arnelgp> jammcq: how can i set debuging line into the xssession? 20:34 < rjune> got that. 20:34 < arnelgp> thanks 20:34 < rjune> I've seen this problem when the shell is a nonexistant/nologin shell 20:35 < arnelgp> the root problem of this because i set chomod 777 / 20:35 < jammcq> I don't think so 20:35 < arnelgp> then put chmod 700 /etc/ 20:35 < arnelgp> then put chmod 755 /usr/ 20:35 < jammcq> well, 700 would be a problem 20:36 < jammcq> your /etc should be 0755 20:36 < arnelgp> jammcq: then i fallowed what you told me to put chmod 0766 / 20:36 < arnelgp> i mean 755 20:36 < jammcq> and /usr whould be 755 20:36 < jammcq> and / should be 755 20:36 < jammcq> how about /dev ? 20:37 < arnelgp> yes i did put back to what you have to told me 20:37 < arnelgp> the default 20:37 < jammcq> ok, do you have a file called /home/arnelgp/.xsession-errors ? 20:38 < arnelgp> ok i will look for it... 20:39 < arnelgp> IceWM: using /home/arnelgp/.icewm for private configuration files 20:39 < arnelgp> .xsession-errors (END) 20:39 < arnelgp> thats the content of the file 20:39 < jammcq> ok, look at the date on the file 20:41 < arnelgp> -rw------- 1 arnelgp arnelgp 180 Aug 8 14:32 .xsession-errors 20:44 < rjune> arenelgp: have you tried logging in using failsafe wm? or kde? or gnome? or just icewm? 20:45 < arnelgp> ok i will try them again one by one. thanks 20:46 < jammcq> arnelgp: that timestamp of aug 8th, is that the last time you tried ? 20:46 -!- stockholm [~stockholm@pD9E14579.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["The sun is coming up... time to get some sleep. g'night!"] 20:46 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 20:47 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 20:47 < arnelgp> rjune: all wont work i tried them all it will just accept passwd, user, then it will go back to login screen 20:47 < jammcq> arnelgp: are you trying it right now ? 20:48 < arnelgp> jammcq: tried few minutes ago 20:48 < arnelgp> but thats the one appear 20:48 < jammcq> ok, check that timestamp on /home/arnelgp/.xsession-errors again 20:48 < arnelgp> ok... 20:48 < jammcq> we are trying to figure out if the xsession script is actually running 20:50 < arnelgp> -rw-r--r-- 1 arnelgp arnelgp 66 Jul 24 16:32 .xsession-errors 20:50 < jammcq> huh ? 20:50 < jammcq> a few minutes ago, it was aug 8 20:50 < arnelgp> may be the date on my server is not set properly 20:50 < jammcq> 09:43PM -rw------- 1 arnelgp arnelgp 180 Aug 8 14:32 20:50 < jammcq> .xsession-errors 20:52 < arnelgp> well i dont know why it appears like tath 20:52 < arnelgp> well i dont know why it appears like that 20:54 < jammcq> arnelgp: ok, do this, and show me the results: 20:54 < jammcq> ls -ld /etc 20:54 < arnelgp> ok 20:54 < rjune> jammcq: will you be around in 1/2 hr or so? 20:54 < jammcq> prolly 20:55 < rjune> 'k, I have to make a quick trip to the store, but want to ask you about prices on the 150s 20:55 < arnelgp> [root@server root]# ls -ld /etc/ 20:55 < arnelgp> drwxr-xr-x 70 root root 8192 Aug 11 09:58 /etc/ 20:56 < jammcq> ok, now do this: 20:56 < jammcq> ls -ld /etc/X11 20:57 < arnelgp> [root@server root]# ls -ld /etc/X11 20:57 < arnelgp> drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Jun 19 08:50 /etc/X11 20:57 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:57 < jammcq> ok, good. now, do this: ls -ld /etc/X11/xdm 20:57 < arnelgp> [root@server root]# ls -ld /etc/X11/xdm 20:57 < arnelgp> drwx--x--x 3 root root 4096 Feb 24 11:57 /etc/X11/xdm 20:58 < jammcq> hmm, do this: chmod 0755 /etc/X11/xdm 20:58 < jammcq> and then, do this: ls -ld /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession 20:59 < arnelgp> [root@server root]# ls -ld /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession 20:59 < arnelgp> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2758 Feb 24 12:01 /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession 20:59 < jammcq> ok, that looks good 20:59 < arnelgp> may be that make the changes? can i try booting or login? 20:59 < jammcq> ok, go ahead and try to log in 21:00 < arnelgp> works well jim ... God bless thatn kyou so much 21:00 < jammcq> heh 21:00 < arnelgp> i have learned a lot today 21:00 < jammcq> just a matter of going through the steps 21:00 < arnelgp> God bless you guys... 21:00 < jammcq> just don't start calling me 'honey' :) 21:01 < arnelgp> yeah... thats what i really like to the patience of jammcq:) 21:01 < arnelgp> thankyou again 21:01 < arnelgp> lol 21:01 < jammcq> :) 21:03 < mistik1> hey jammcq, Is there a way to send a wakeup to HP lasers every so often? 21:04 < mistik1> This one I have here seems to screw up if a job is sent remotely when it is in sleep mode 21:04 < jammcq> hmm 21:04 < jammcq> you shouldn't need to 21:04 < mistik1> I know 21:04 < mistik1> but 3 times in a row now 21:05 < jammcq> describe the screw up 21:05 < mistik1> when the wife prints from upstairs I come in a see it in error state 21:05 < mistik1> I have to unplug it to get it going again 21:05 < jammcq> are you using cups or the older method ? 21:05 < mistik1> Its connected to lprNG and shared out from another box via cups 21:06 < mistik1> she is doing IPP printing from win98 21:06 < jammcq> is it ethernet or parallel ? 21:06 < mistik1> paraport 21:07 < mistik1> its connected directly to .120 and i'm running cups on .31 21:07 < mistik1> my wife prints from .100 to .31 21:07 < jammcq> but what is running on .120 ? lpd ? 21:07 < mistik1> yes 21:08 < jammcq> what distro on that box ? 21:08 < mistik1> rhat8 21:09 < mistik1> what is wierd is I can print from any of my linux boxes with no issues 21:09 < mistik1> anytime 21:09 < mistik1> then again only the windows machines is using the CUPS 21:09 < mistik1> its lpd - lpd for the linux boxes 21:10 < jammcq> it might be interesting to share the printer with samba, and point .100 directly to .120, instead of going through cups on .31 21:11 < mistik1> I was running from just that 21:11 < mistik1> I didn't want to run samba on that box at all 21:11 < mistik1> I may wel end up with a LTSP WS as print server 21:12 < mistik1> I will load it up for long enough to test the samba theory tho 21:13 < mistik1> bbiab 21:27 < rjune> jammcq: you still around? 21:27 < jammcq> hey 21:28 < rjune> cool. 21:28 < rjune> on your website, you used to have a table showing price-breaks et all for the jammin 125s but since the redesign, you don't have that... could I get it for the jammin 150s or do you not have them anymore? 21:29 < jammcq> you need to sign up as a reseller 21:29 < jammcq> first thing to do is create an account 21:29 < jammcq> then, email rcc@DisklessWorkstations.Com for details about becoming a reseller, and tell him your userid that you created on the site 21:34 < rjune> thanks. how've things been? 21:34 < jammcq> been very busy 21:35 < rjune> is that good? 21:40 < rjune> Just out of curiosity, have you tried booting the 150 wireless? 21:44 -!- rehm [~rehm@modemcable051.244-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ltsp 21:44 < rehm> hi 21:50 -!- rehm [~rehm@modemcable051.244-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 21:55 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 21:55 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 22:35 -!- rjune [~rjune@12-215-101-13.client.mchsi.com] has left #ltsp [] 22:44 -!- bjohnson|away [~bjohnson@ip38-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:05 -!- tims [~s@0-2pool177-55.nas19.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ltsp 23:06 < tims> Does the ATI All in Wonder Rage 128 work under lstp? 23:08 < tims> Because every time I try it I got device not found 23:22 -!- tims [~s@0-2pool177-55.nas19.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 23:22 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 23:38 -!- farang35 [~daniel@202.133.169.80] has joined #ltsp 23:54 < arnelgp> jond3rd: hi how a day? 23:59 < fluxbox> i still kant run my display 23:59 < fluxbox> ne1 got good solution for s3 prosavage ddr built-in video kard --- Day changed Mon Aug 11 2003 00:02 < farang35> prsavage is pre savage4... thinking 00:06 < fluxbox> so what driver should i choose 00:06 < fluxbox> i mean i tried all of em 00:06 < fluxbox> no screens found 00:06 < fluxbox> what gives 00:08 < farang35> Option "UseBIOS" "no" 00:08 < farang35> trried that\? 00:10 < fluxbox> havent 00:10 < fluxbox> hmn... 00:10 < fluxbox> where do the xf86config keeps its conf? 00:10 < fluxbox> im fairly new to ltsp, but i can do runlevel 3, successfully 00:12 < farang35> You'll need to add it as an extra option in lts.conf... I don't have the manual here with me, so I don't really remember. My network is homogenous, so I just edit the setupx file 00:13 < farang35> there's a driver here http://downloads.viaarena.com/drivers/video/VIA_RH7.3-8.0_Twister-Pro-savage_v1.1.18BLD2_06132003.zip 00:13 < fluxbox> im using debian 00:19 < farang35> I hit a possible solution, which I'll paste here -- ready? 00:19 < farang35> Could you please check if Mandrake currently uses the Savage driver for 00:19 < farang35> KM133 and PM133 in your pcitable? In Red Hat's pcitable it shows up as: 00:19 < farang35> 0x5333 0x8a25 "unknown" "S3 Inc.|ProSavage PM133" 00:19 < farang35> 0x5333 0x8a26 "unknown" "S3 Inc.|ProSavage KM133" 00:19 < farang35> If it turns out that supporting that device is a simple matter of 00:19 < farang35> changing that "unknown" string to "Card:S3 Savage 4", then it is only a 00:19 < farang35> question of whether LTSP uses the native XFree86 binaries for the 00:19 < farang35> clients too. If it does, I will supply modified RPM packages upon 00:19 < farang35> request that should serve the need. 00:24 < farang35> I suggest you join the k12ltsp.org mailing lists. They seem to have had this problem before, but no answers are readily available 00:30 < fluxbox> damn 00:31 < fluxbox> thanks man 00:41 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit ["Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"] 00:46 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:47 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:49 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 00:50 < project9__> jammcq:dear friend hi how r ui think my version of xserver is still old so how do i uninstall /remove ltsp or how do i put ltsp 3.x both together 00:51 < farang35> I don't understand 00:52 < project9__> my xfree86 for ltsp 4 is old 00:52 < farang35> ltsp4? the alpha? 00:52 < project9__> beta 00:52 < project9__> beta 1 00:54 < farang35> then you have to rebuild, right? 00:55 < project9__> i already installed but there is problem with my os (rh 8 and x server ) 00:56 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 00:56 < jammcq> project9__: X on your rh8 server has NOTHING to do with your LTSP workstation 00:57 < jammcq> you don't even need X on your server 00:57 < jammcq> rh8 should be just fine 00:57 < jammcq> did you change to the SiS card ? 00:57 < project9__> yes 00:57 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 00:57 < project9__> its giving sam error 00:57 < jammcq> did you take out the cirrus logic ? 00:58 < project9__> yes 00:58 < project9__> offcource 00:58 < jammcq> ok, what is 'XSERVER' set to in lts.conf ? 00:59 < jond3rd> jammcq, hey! 00:59 < jammcq> hey jond3rd 01:00 < project9__> it has only server setting so i copy my lts.conf to orinal one 01:00 < jond3rd> jammcq, wget'ng ltsp-4 beta1 now :) 01:00 < jammcq> :) 01:00 < mistik1> jammcq: I'm knee deep in LDAP again ;) 01:00 < project9__> XFree86 Version 4.2.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.2.0-72) / X Window System 01:00 < jammcq> mistik1: we should both be sleeping right now 01:00 < project9__> (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) 01:00 < project9__> Release Date: 23 January 2002 01:00 < project9__> If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is 01:00 < project9__> newer than the above date, look for a newer version before 01:00 < project9__> reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/) 01:00 < project9__> Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.18-11smp i686 [ELF] 01:00 < project9__> Build Host: daffy.perf.redhat.com 01:00 < project9__> Module Loader present 01:00 < project9__> OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.18-14 (bhcompile@stripples.devel.redhat.com) 01:00 < project9__> ersion 3.2 20020903 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2-7)) #1 Wed Sep 4 13:35:50 EDT 2 01:01 < jammcq> is that all ? 01:01 < project9__> dear friend pls help me to sort it out this then pls 01:01 < jammcq> is that all ? 01:01 < mistik1> jammcq: no doubt, I'm near the end now 01:01 < jammcq> me too 01:01 < project9__> this is a version of xfree /and this kind of error is given by clients 01:02 < jammcq> project9__: it is NOT because of the version 01:02 < jammcq> there is more of the error, that has scrolled off the screen 01:02 < jammcq> ok, what is 'XSERVER' set to in lts.conf ? 01:02 < jammcq> project9__: do this: grep XSERVER /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf 01:02 < project9__> pls wait dear friend my client in other room 1 min pls 01:03 < mistik1> client? 01:03 < farang35> man... 01:03 < jammcq> umm, yeah 01:03 < mistik1> wow 01:03 < jammcq> lets hope he doesn't start calling me honey again :) 01:03 < mistik1> rofl 01:03 < jond3rd> lol 01:03 < farang35> hehe 01:03 * jammcq is still laughing about that one 01:03 < jond3rd> he's sweet :) 01:03 < mistik1> haha 01:04 < jammcq> I want him to be successful, but the language barrier is pretty tough 01:04 < mistik1> I wish brainless would come around and help him out 01:04 < jond3rd> jammcq, you should learn different dialects :) 01:05 < jammcq> yeah, in my spare time 01:05 < mistik1> jond3rd: on top of C and perl? 01:05 < mistik1> Leave jims brain alone 01:05 < jammcq> mistik1: don't forget cobol :) 01:05 < mistik1> yea 01:05 < farang35> I thought perl WAS adialect of C! 01:05 -!- trioz [~trioz@202.9.172.132] has joined #ltsp 01:05 < jammcq> :) 01:05 < mistik1> hehe 01:05 < trioz> Have a good day friends 01:05 < trioz> This is prakash from India 01:06 < jond3rd> I haven't seen brainless for a ling time 01:06 < trioz> im using ltsp 01:06 < jond3rd> s/ling/long 01:06 < jammcq> hey trioz 01:06 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:06 < jond3rd> trioz, you know brainless? he's from india too :) 01:06 < jammcq> brainless is travelling. He's going to attend school in Los Angeles 01:07 < mistik1> wow, our Indian brothers are comming on board with a vengence 01:07 < jammcq> he was supposed to be at Linux world on thursday, but I didn't see him 01:07 < trioz> can any one help me 01:07 < jammcq> trioz: depends on the problem 01:07 < mistik1> ask a question 01:07 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:07 < farang35> hey jim: I thought the motto was "release early, release often" hehe 01:07 < jammcq> we need a document for telling people how to get help in #ltsp 01:08 < trioz> i like to create a root file system. 01:08 < jammcq> farang35: umm, yeah 01:08 < trioz> can i use the ltsp root file system as my base 01:08 < jammcq> sure 01:08 < trioz> ltsp rfs uses busybox 01:08 < mistik1> prolly even more so with LBE 01:09 < trioz> i couldnt install a rpm in the ltsp 01:09 < jammcq> why not ? 01:09 < trioz> Any one plz Guide me 01:09 < jammcq> we need more info. 'couldn't install' doesn't tell us anything 01:10 < trioz> Sorry.. 01:10 < mistik1> rpm --rebuilbdb --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 01:10 < trioz> i booted a diskless client 01:10 < jammcq> why are you doing that ? 01:10 < trioz> using ltsp 01:10 < trioz> can you get me ?? 01:11 < jammcq> are you trying to populate a root filesystem using rpm ? 01:11 < trioz> Actually i m preparing a root filesystem which should be very less memory size 01:11 < trioz> for example 10 mb. 01:12 < jammcq> using rpm ? 01:12 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:12 < jammcq> good luck 01:12 < jammcq> you want small, take a look at the ltsp_initrd_kit, there's a root fs that takes about 1.5mb 01:13 < trioz> ok 01:13 < trioz> wheather can i install my own telnet and ftp server in it 01:13 < jammcq> well, you'd have to compile them 01:13 < jammcq> don't expect to install those from rpm, too many dependencies 01:13 < trioz> ok 01:16 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:17 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:22 -!- farang35 [~daniel@202.133.169.80] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:23 -!- farang35 [~daniel@202.133.169.119] has joined #ltsp 01:23 < jammcq> well kids, i'm going to bed. see ya'll tomorrow 01:24 < trioz> Dear friends 01:24 < trioz> i have some doubts 01:24 < trioz> any one can help me 01:25 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 01:26 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:27 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:36 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:37 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has quit [Client Quit] 01:37 -!- frame [~frame@213-35-223-210-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has joined #ltsp 01:41 -!- DrEvil [~DrEvil@64.42.224.177] has joined #ltsp 01:46 -!- ejfiii_ [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 01:47 -!- ejfiii_ is now known as NoUse 01:57 < trioz> Any one can help me 02:09 -!- trioz [~trioz@202.9.172.132] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:13 -!- farang35 [~daniel@202.133.169.119] has quit ["Client exiting"] 02:28 -!- trioz_ [~trioz@202.9.172.132] has joined #ltsp 02:28 -!- fluxbox [~kagoryu@210.23.101.226] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:28 -!- project9__ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 02:28 < trioz_> hai 02:32 -!- trioz_ [~trioz@202.9.172.132] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 02:36 -!- trioz [~trioz@202.9.172.132] has joined #ltsp 02:37 < trioz> hai all 02:37 < trioz> any one can engage with me 02:38 < Bill_E_laptop> trioz - you still here? 02:38 < trioz> yes 02:39 < Bill_E_laptop> good morning 02:39 < trioz> plz come to pvt chat 02:50 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ 02:50 -!- arnelgp [~arnelgp@203.177.1.3] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 02:52 -!- arnelgp [~arnelgp@203.177.1.3] has joined #ltsp 02:55 < arnelgp> how can i save a log here in xhat? 02:56 < arnelgp> how can i save a log here in xchat? 02:57 -!- arnelgp [~arnelgp@203.177.1.3] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 02:58 -!- arnelgp [~arnelgp@203.177.1.3] has joined #ltsp 03:08 < Faithful> trioz: Hello 03:09 < trioz> hello 03:09 < trioz> plz come to pvt chat 03:09 < arnelgp> its ok troiz 03:09 < arnelgp> you can talk here 03:21 -!- t0m [~tom@D5E0EA56.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 03:22 -!- Faithful [~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 03:23 -!- WX [~chris@12-234-7-83.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 03:28 -!- Faithful [~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 03:41 -!- WX [~chris@12-234-7-83.client.attbi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:41 -!- WX [~chris@12-234-7-83.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 03:44 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-251.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 03:44 < WX> hi 03:45 -!- madctrl [~madctrl@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 03:45 < madctrl> hi 03:45 < WX> hi 03:45 < WX> think im heading to bed now 03:45 < WX> exhausted 03:45 < WX> getting up in 5 hours 03:45 -!- WX is now known as WX-sleep 03:48 < madctrl> I don't like timezones, my clock is about 11 am 03:48 < WX-sleep> haha 03:48 < WX-sleep> yea mine's 1:50 03:49 < WX-sleep> 'night 03:50 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 03:50 < madctrl> sleep well 03:51 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:56 -!- dmnokia [~Dark@gunes.bahcesehir.edu.tr] has joined #ltsp 03:59 < dmnokia> hi all; I installed LTSP beta for testing purbose. I have one client. I add necassary enty to /etc/dhcp.conf. During the client booting process I receive an error like "/lts/bzImage-2.4.9-ltsp-6" too big .... 03:59 < dmnokia> whats should I do or check ?? 04:00 < trioz> hi dmnokia 04:00 < dmnokia> hi trioz 04:00 -!- bula2003 [~t@0-2pool177-55.nas19.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:00 < trioz> how are you 04:00 < trioz> plz come to pvt msg 04:01 < dmnokia> thanks... 04:02 < WX-sleep> dmnokia: it's probably because you're using PXE 04:03 < dmnokia> yes 04:03 < WX-sleep> download etherboot drivers from www.etherboot.org for the network card 04:03 < dmnokia> yes WX: 04:03 < WX-sleep> and then... after filename "/lts/bzImage-2.4.9-ltsp-6", put another line with filename "/lts/eb-blahblah" 04:04 < dmnokia> Here is my boot entry 04:04 < WX-sleep> sorry go to www.rom-o-matic.net 04:05 < dmnokia> host ws001 { 04:05 < dmnokia> hardware ethernet 00:30:05:03:C3:AB; 04:05 < dmnokia> fixed-address 10.2.1.9; 04:05 < dmnokia> if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { 04:05 < dmnokia> filename "/intel.zpxe"; } 04:05 < dmnokia> else if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "Etherboot" { 04:05 < dmnokia> filename "/lts/bzImage-2.4.9-ltsp-6"; } 04:05 < dmnokia> } 04:05 < dmnokia> I download intel.zpxe from rom-o-maitc 04:05 < WX-sleep> ok 04:05 < WX-sleep> i had same problem at one point 04:06 < dmnokia> realy 04:06 < dmnokia> any solition 04:06 < dmnokia> yup.. 04:07 < dmnokia> ant solution 04:07 < WX-sleep> yea 04:07 -!- paza [ircuser@62.142.224.146] has joined #ltsp 04:07 < paza> hi, how do i use terminal machines serial and parallel ports ? 04:07 < WX-sleep> option vendor-encapsulated-options 3c:09:45:74:68:65:72:62:6f:6f:74:ff; 04:08 < WX-sleep> dmnokia: add that in the else if part, line after filename 04:08 < dmnokia> ok 04:08 < WX-sleep> should fix it 04:08 < WX-sleep> paza: read the docs? 04:08 < dmnokia> I be there in ten minutes :-) 04:08 < dmnokia> thaks WX-sleep 04:08 < WX-sleep> haha hurry then ;) i gotta sleep soon 04:08 < WX-sleep> haha 04:09 < WX-sleep> it 04:09 < WX-sleep> it's 2am and i have work at 8am 04:09 < paza> WX-sleep: give the url then ? ;) 04:09 < dmnokia> ok... have a nice sleep..thx again 04:09 < WX-sleep> http://www.ltsp.org 04:09 < WX-sleep> np dmnokia 04:09 < paza> WX-sleep: little bit more specific 04:10 < WX-sleep> what you want to do with the ports? 04:11 < dmnokia> it says now /lts/bzImage-2.4.9-ltsp-6 error: not a valid image 04:11 < paza> WX-sleep: i got microcontroller programmer connected, i would like to use it in the terminal 04:11 < WX-sleep> hmm not sure how to... sorry, haven't messed with local serial/parallel/usb stuff 04:11 < trioz> did you convert it as network bootable image 04:11 < WX-sleep> yea make sure you do that 04:12 < WX-sleep> alright guys, im out.... ttyl 04:12 < dmnokia> Wx-Sleep: 04:12 < dmnokia> Wx-Sleep: it says now /lts/bzImage-2.4.9-ltsp-6 error: not a valid image 04:13 < WX-sleep> yea make sure you make it network-bootable 04:13 < WX-sleep> read http://www.rom-o-matic.net 04:13 < WX-sleep> explains it there i tihnk 04:13 < dmnokia> you mean RTM :-) 04:13 < WX-sleep> ;) 04:13 < dmnokia> you mean RTFM :-) 04:13 < WX-sleep> yep it's bedtime 04:13 < WX-sleep> maybe tomorrow 04:13 < WX-sleep> haha 04:13 < dmnokia> WX: have a nice sleep 04:13 < WX-sleep> sure RTFM you stupid LAM3R 04:14 < WX-sleep> haha jk 04:14 < WX-sleep> 'night 04:14 < WX-sleep> http://etherboot.sourceforge.net/distribution.html 04:15 < paza> so anyone messed with local serial/parallel ports ? 04:15 -!- WX-sleep [~chris@12-234-7-83.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 04:23 < trioz> how can i give rpm support to ltsp distribution 04:29 -!- madctrl [~madctrl@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:33 -!- dmnokia [~Dark@gunes.bahcesehir.edu.tr] has quit [] 04:47 -!- pavka [~pavka@unicov6.worldonline.cz] has joined #ltsp 04:48 < pavka> hi all 05:04 -!- pavka [~pavka@unicov6.worldonline.cz] has quit ["Changing server..."] 05:09 -!- viric [~llbat098@25.Red-80-24-26.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 05:09 < viric> Hi there1 05:09 < viric> !! 05:09 < viric> I have problems with etherboot..... 05:10 < viric> I've spend all a morning looking for info in google 05:10 < trioz> oh 05:14 < viric> So... no help ? :( 05:14 < Yngwie> whats the problem? 05:16 < viric> Mmm 05:16 < viric> Well... my dhcp server sends the option 128 and 129 05:16 < viric> (->trioz) but etherboot doesn't catch them. 05:16 < viric> (->trioz) results of the DHCPACK dump: 05:16 < viric> (->trioz) OPTION: 128 ( 6) e44574680000 .Eth.. 05:16 < viric> (->trioz) OPTION: 129 ( 21) 4e49433d6e652049 NIC=ne I 05:16 < viric> (->trioz) 4f3d307833343020 O=0x340 05:16 < viric> (->trioz) 4952513d35 IRQ=5 05:16 < viric> (I paste the query I'm having with trioz) 05:17 < viric> Can you help? 05:17 < Yngwie> you should not need those lines. what does the error say on your client? 05:17 < viric> The ltsp kernel is fine, the dhcp answer is fine, the etherboot code SHOULD be fine, and the bootable code made by 'mknbi' in the ltsp bootable image SHOULD also be fine. 05:17 < viric> Yngwie: my client ignores the kernel parameters supplied by OPTION 129. 05:18 < Yngwie> do you get an ip address on the CLIENT? 05:18 < viric> I have terminals working (which have a PCI card). So the problem is with this one, which has an ISA card. 05:18 < viric> and I have to specify its configuration at kernel parameters (LTSP docs say that) 05:18 < viric> Yngwie: Yep. Everything is correct. The IP, the kernel image boots fine.... 05:18 < viric> But the kernel doesn't know which nic I have. 05:19 < Yngwie> ok never really done that. do you know what nic you have? 05:19 < viric> A message from the LTSP script inside the initrd tells me something about that option 129. 05:19 < viric> Yep. ne2000 compatible. rtl8029 chipset 05:19 < viric> But I also have a boomerang 3com pci in another computer, and that one also ignore the 129 parameter. 05:19 < viric> And the 'dhcpdump' shows me that the DHCPACK is fine. 05:19 < Yngwie> yep pci is easier, faster. does your client not have a pci slot? 05:19 < viric> So etherboot is ignoring that. 05:20 < viric> Yngwie: no. 05:20 < viric> I've seen no option in etherboot rom making configuration about ignoring those dhcp option lines... 05:20 < viric> So it should accept them. 05:20 < Yngwie> sorry cant help with that 05:21 < viric> Where would you ask for that help ? 05:21 < viric> Mmm well, my DHCP server isn't my TFTP or NFS server 05:22 < viric> but that should not be any problem about those 128 and 129 options. 05:22 < viric> the kernel image loads fine( and also the other computer which has PCI) 05:22 < viric> I'm going to subscribe to ltsp mailing list. 05:24 -!- halfbrain [~halfbrain@202.88.178.203] has joined #ltsp 05:24 < halfbrain> halfbrain : hello dear 05:25 < viric> :) 05:25 < viric> halfbrain: hi! Have you ever used terminals with isa NICs ? 05:34 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-93.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 05:40 -!- lanius [heino@p508E1BA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 05:42 -!- andrea [~a@ziowall.cline.it] has joined #ltsp 05:42 < andrea> Hello... 05:42 < andrea> I have aproblem with LTSP anyone can help me? 05:43 < gola> don't ask if so 05:43 < gola> arhg 05:43 < gola> enter button is too close to others 05:43 < andrea> I have a problem with a usb printer... 05:43 < gola> don't ask if you could ask. just ask 05:44 < andrea> ok.. 05:44 < andrea> I have tried with a parallerl printer and all function very well.. 05:45 < andrea> But the problem is with a usb printer.. 05:45 -!- newton [~newton@dialpool-210-214-147-49.maa.sify.net] has joined #ltsp 05:46 -!- madctrl [~madctrl@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 05:47 < andrea> I tried with this line in lts.conf: 05:47 < andrea> PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 05:47 < andrea> PRINTER_0_TYPE = S 05:47 < newton> can anybody help me in printer conf 05:48 -!- trioz [~trioz@202.9.172.132] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 05:48 < andrea> newton i also have a problem with printer 05:48 < andrea> no problem with parallel printer 05:49 < newton> my printer is conneted on parallel port 05:49 < lanius> hei jammcq :) is there builtin removeable media support in the latest ltsp4 beta? 05:49 < newton> it prints out juck whe i give a print command 05:49 < newton> from abi word 05:50 < andrea> sorry, i'm italian can you use a styandard english :-) 05:51 < newton> ok 05:51 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 05:51 < keyur> hi 05:51 < keyur> which switch are better 05:51 < keyur> surecome or dlink 05:51 < keyur> 16 ports 05:51 < keyur> surecome vs dlink 05:52 < keyur> any one has used it? 05:52 < andrea> I use a surecom... 05:52 < andrea> Don't buy it :-) 05:52 < keyur> so dlink is better 05:52 < newton> andrea i have connected a printer to ltsp workstation it prints machine code when i give print command 05:52 < andrea> i don't try dlink... but surecom no... 05:53 < keyur> andrea : thanks 05:53 < andrea> keyur: nothings :-) 05:53 < andrea> newton: have you put the 2 right row in lts.conf? 05:53 < newton> yes 05:54 < andrea> have you install the printer on and only on the server? 05:54 -!- Mundy___ [~mundy@dialup-101.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 05:55 < newton> andrea printer was working before but tody suddenly i had problem 05:55 < andrea> mmm... 05:56 < newton> two lines in ltsp.conf is correct 05:56 < andrea> the driver is correct? 05:56 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 05:56 < newton> yes 05:56 < andrea> have you try to reboot the server? 05:56 < newton> no 05:57 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 05:59 < newton> andrea should i reboot and see ? 05:59 -!- halfbrain [~halfbrain@202.88.178.203] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:00 < andrea> try... 06:00 < newton> i have install the printer on the server 06:01 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-251.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:02 < newton> should the printer driver be install on client dir on the server? 06:02 < andrea> ?? 06:03 < andrea> soory, it's time to lunch.. se you later.. 06:03 < newton> the ltsp server was install by some other person 06:04 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-93.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:04 < newton> i have been given the task of administration 06:05 < newton> andrea thanks 06:05 < newton> thanks............ 06:21 < newton> have anybody tried using pxe and ltsp? 06:21 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 06:24 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has joined #ltsp 06:24 < msinhore> hello all. 06:28 -!- Prakash [~Prakash@202.9.172.132] has joined #ltsp 06:33 < paza> so anyone messed with local serial/parallel ports ? 06:33 < paza> :-) 06:36 < msinhore> I have a critical problem on the ltsp in desktop manager. My problem is related to its functioning. In the GDM after 15 connections not is possible to connect plus none client. On the KDM friday it stopped and I did not discover the origin of the problem. 06:36 < morfic> use kdm 06:36 < morfic> its a common problem with gdm, afaik there is no way around it, kdm works just as good as xdm does 06:37 -!- noknow [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has joined #ltsp 06:37 < noknow> hi 06:37 < noknow> im new to ltsp 06:37 < noknow> just downloaded 06:37 < noknow> and installed on the server 06:37 < morfic> msinhore: just use kdm, there is no need to run gdm, problems considered 06:37 < noknow> is there something i need to do on the client? 06:37 < noknow> besides boot=network? 06:38 < msinhore> I used and it only functioned well during 3 days 06:39 < msinhore> is possible to use the xdm? 06:39 < morfic> the client needs a way to boot over network, a bootrom needs to be somewhere on a nic or motherboard, if not boot from a floppy with that image 06:39 < noknow> how do i do the floppy? followed some links but ended up lost 06:39 < morfic> you can use xdm, kdm, gdm, gdm with said probloems, i never heard of a problem with either xdm nor kdm, i personally use kdm 06:40 < morfic> www.rom-o-matic.com 06:40 < morfic> choose the disk image 06:40 < noknow> tx 06:40 < morfic> and cat it to your floppy 06:40 < morfic> instructions are on that site 06:41 < noknow> ill check that 06:51 < noknow> cat * > /dev/fd0 06:51 < noknow> ? 06:51 < noknow> cat eb-5.2.0-rtl8139.zdsk > /dev/fd0 06:58 < msinhore> morfic: the kdm not starting. 06:58 < morfic> kdm just needs to be configured properly 06:58 < morfic> the latter noknow iirc 06:59 < msinhore> I modified the /etc/inittab and I seting for init mode 5 the kdm -nodeamon 07:00 < msinhore> morfic: What is the script for configuration of the kdm? 07:01 < morfic> kdmrc 07:01 < msinhore> morfic: What is the script for configuration of the kdm? 07:02 < morfic> kdmrc 07:02 < msinhore> sorry 07:03 < morfic> ;) 07:04 < msinhore> morfic: which is the localization of this file? 07:04 < msinhore> /etc/X11/xdm :-) 07:05 < morfic> it should be in xdm, yes, depends on your distro 07:05 < morfic> i suggest to join the respective channel for your distro in that case 07:06 < morfic> or do this: "updatedb && locate kdmrc" 07:06 < morfic> in case your slocate db isnt uptodate 07:06 -!- kungfuftr [~scott@jadis.narnian.org] has left #ltsp [] 07:07 < andrea> . 07:07 < andrea> . 07:07 < andrea> Anyone had used a usb printer attached to a client? 07:08 < msinhore> morfic: what is this problem: Aug 11 09:09:39 node02 kdm_config[5913]: Unrecognized section name [Desktop0] at /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc:42 07:08 -!- Snafu_ [~afu@209.176.43.210] has joined #LTSP 07:12 < morfic> andrea: not me, but you could stick around to see if someone who did is around later ;) 07:12 < msinhore> hi Snafu_! 07:14 < morfic> msinhore: sounds like the tag [Dekstop0] isnt recognized 07:14 < morfic> been a while since i touched kdmrc 07:15 * morfic wonders how long before snafu gets kicked out or leaves on his own 07:16 < morfic> msinhore: very easy to get help on kdmrc if you go ask in the channel of your distribution, like #redhat, #debian #slackware #gentoo #linuxhelp even maybe even #kde, you dont depend on #ltsp alone :) 07:17 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-161.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 07:19 -!- Prakash [~Prakash@202.9.172.132] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 07:20 < Snafu_> i have to admit little effort or desire for debugging kde ... it worx if its clean and not buggered up .. so for me its always been a wierdness hunt .. as in eliminate all found .. and it works .. nuke corrupted desktop files and saved xsessions etc ... 07:21 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.196.128] has joined #ltsp 07:22 -!- indi [indig0@host81-7-55-145.surfport24.v21.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 07:22 < jstraw> hi morfic 07:23 < Snafu_> some problems are then xdm's enviroment can be a bit sparse compared to a login to a shell .. so you fix up something like the .xinitrc file to fill in the enviroment you usually get from profile .profile .bashrc etc ... 07:23 < morfic> hey jstraw 07:24 < morfic> msinhore: you might not believe it, but snafu is responding to your kdmrc hunt 07:24 < Snafu_> my wish is that kdm / gdm would be fixed so they could run in Xserverless daemon mode ... 07:25 < morfic> one of those days i will have to make a plugin for xchat that translates snafu into english, its too hard doing it w/o some scripting help 07:25 < Snafu_> forgot your magic decoder ring ? yeah my typos are horrid 07:26 -!- newton [~newton@dialpool-210-214-147-49.maa.sify.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 07:26 -!- amh [~stockholm@p50857A51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 07:26 < Snafu_> 30 years almost on a puter kb and i have gotten worse over the years not better 07:27 < indi> maybe buy a new keyboard ? ;) 07:27 < Snafu_> perhaps its the after effect of octal fingers ... too many times loading the pdp bootstrap on the sw register .. thats it .. 07:27 < indi> <-- worlds wort typo generator 07:28 < indi> mine crippled by the yrs of esdfc gaming 07:28 < amh> indi: You knwo how to write thigns worng? :-) 07:28 < indi> lol 07:28 < indi> i can write thing wrong allday 07:28 < indi> and even the backwards typing party trick 07:29 < morfic> Snafu_: if it was only typo, you are transcending on a different realm all day and we just wonder 07:29 < Snafu_> 7464 load ... 0437 load .. panel had pastel lables to group em in octal sets of 3 .. 07:29 < indi> kcirt gnipyt sdrawkcab eht neve dna 07:29 < amh> indi: Can you rot-13 from out of the head? That would just improve this trick by additional difficulty! 07:30 < indi> Snafu_ - thats bad news. maybe try mavis's typing tutor for light relief 07:30 < indi> rofl amh 07:30 < indi> one day when im bored i may try 07:30 < indi> only the cure for boredom today is investigating ltsp 07:31 < Snafu_> what was the mistery term preceding ... .xinitrc ? well i often assume they know the basics .. untill i get the Python-esqe confused-cat look 07:31 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 07:34 < Snafu_> and i blame redcrap for harming the practice of reading your own boxes init scripting .. on a better system like slack its not conveluted .. for rl5 they start xdm with -nodaemon but running a GUI on the server is stupid .. 07:34 -!- chrn [~charon@hardcore.coder.dk] has joined #ltsp 07:35 < Snafu_> you can comment out the line in the Xservers file and run xdm in daemon mode .. so the server dont even need a video card much less need to suck up ram for the xserver and login screen ... 07:36 < Snafu_> but sadly kdm and gdm dont work right as a detached daemon .. 07:37 -!- indig0f [indig0@host81-7-56-172.surfport24.v21.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 07:37 < indig0f> damn that peer guy 07:37 -!- indig0f is now known as indi^ 07:37 < indi^> Snafu_ - just lost your last re redhat 07:38 < indi^> but ive been looking at alternatives having started on RH - tried a bit of gentoo - slack - Deb etc 07:38 < indi^> not quite there with it yet tho 07:38 < indi^> you have any particular fave ? 07:38 < Snafu_> well if you learn linux kernel up .. instaed of gui down .. then what distro it starts out as dont matter much .. 07:39 < Snafu_> i start w slack because its minimalist and less crap to rip out that im gonna put my way anyway .. 07:39 < indi^> guess so - mosty users migrate from Win tho, like me. first option is RH - but i always try to work from cli rather than gui 07:39 < indi^> only way to learn the Principles 07:40 < chrn> I use redhat 9. I configured dhclient.conf to "prepend domain-name" and "prepend domain-name-servers" and it works when I issue "dhclient" from command line, but at reboot it ignores the .conf... Any ideas? 07:40 < Snafu_> i dont mind fancy ... i do mind rube goldberg scripting that makes your hair hurt attemting to follow it .. 07:40 < indi^> lol Snafu_ :) 07:41 < Snafu_> how are you to learn how linux works if the startup is a damn rubix cube ? 07:42 < indi^> well - that about sums it up for me. my first attempt was RH5 - and being win based i hadnt the first Foo Clue 07:42 -!- roedk [~roedk@62.79.81.200] has joined #ltsp 07:42 < indi^> couldnt even startx 07:42 < Snafu_> slack is a bare 5 scripts all in one location .. and they are linear .. any dolt could read them and type what he sees to the man command and follow how linux starts .. and learn quite a bit ... 07:43 -!- Prakash [~Prakash@202.9.172.132] has joined #ltsp 07:43 < indi^> but after manay false starts and a helping hand fro a linux mate, im totally without win now. apart from this - the g/f pc, which may go the way of the ltsp thing 07:44 < indi^> Snafu_ - is it viable to set ltsp up say at home - as a basis to learn? - i have a friend here in UK who is looking at this as a commercial venture. 07:44 < Snafu_> and the system should be presented as the bare kernel as the whole os ( because it is ) and a optional replaceable shell 07:44 < indi^> slack sounds good then 07:45 < Snafu_> with that and an init script tutor . a fellow has a good handle on how things work ... 07:45 -!- indi [indig0@host81-7-55-145.surfport24.v21.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:45 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 07:45 -!- Mundy___ [~mundy@dialup-101.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:45 < indi^> altho im not sure the g/f wants a pc in everyroom and the bog (john) 07:46 < Snafu_> and everything else that comes later . is so much easier if he has a good simplistic model of how things work 07:47 < Snafu_> learning unix takes .. what 30 years ? as in you can be older than the os and still not know everything ... 07:47 < morfic> indi^: i setup LTSP at home first, with one client and the server, then moved it on site, dont see a problem in that 07:47 < roedk> Hey, I've been using LTSP on dell Inspiron 2500 laptop and it's like a charm, BUT I can't seem to get lpp working correctly. It will boot on the lpp kernel but it won't display the progress graphics 07:47 < indi^> morfic - thanks 07:47 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Client Quit] 07:47 < indi^> its my only option right now so am keen to make something of it 07:48 < morfic> indi^: preparation is key to move it on site, get all hardware down, like know which client ahs which MAC has which gfxcard has which type mouse will ease things up 07:48 < Prakash> dear friends and experts i have some doubts 07:48 < roedk> Also its ask for correct terminal settings on boot, e.g. 80*25, 80*30.... 07:48 < morfic> if you dont know before you move it on site, prepare to gather this info first thing 07:48 < morfic> then you can sit down and fix up your lts.conf 07:49 < Prakash> can i install telnet and ftp package with ltsp 07:49 < morfic> then you cn try one client at a time, then you see how it works turning them all on at once 07:49 < indi^> morfic - yep, following so far 07:49 < Prakash> can i install telnet demon and ftp deamon with ltsp 07:49 < morfic> indi^: and by no means is that THE way to do it, its just what worked for me and what i find to be most organized 07:50 < morfic> telnet into server or into each client? 07:50 < Prakash> in to each client 07:50 < indi^> initially im looking at getting as cheap hardware as possible - just to get basics. 07:50 -!- g-paiva [~d-modolo@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 07:50 < Snafu_> client has no disk why would you do that ... 07:50 < morfic> im not saying its impossible, i just doubt its usefulness 07:51 < morfic> and ftp daemon on a diskless WS i would have to agree with snafu 07:51 < Prakash> i like install gdb server also 07:51 < Snafu_> course it possible .. ill so up a sshd kit probably .. 07:51 < Prakash> i ll be usefull for remote debugging 07:51 -!- g-paiva is now known as d-modolo 07:51 < Snafu_> sshd for doing callbacks for doing things like nfs mounts ... 07:51 < Prakash> how is it possible to install sshd kit in the client 07:51 -!- d-modolo [~d-modolo@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Client Quit] 07:52 < Prakash> i tried to install telnet server rpm 07:52 -!- g-paiva [~d-modolo@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 07:52 < Snafu_> or rather sshd as a rexecd 07:52 < Prakash> i couldnt install rpm packages 07:52 < Prakash> a 07:53 < Snafu_> course if ya needed no security initd would work ie touch a port to run script xxx 07:53 < Prakash> Any replies for me 07:53 < Prakash> can i come to pvt chat 07:53 -!- chrn [~charon@hardcore.coder.dk] has left #ltsp [] 07:54 -!- g-paiva [~d-modolo@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Client Quit] 07:55 < Snafu_> the client kit is rh7 rip its inetd telnetd and stuff if your client tree is too "thin" for you 07:56 < Prakash> sorry i couldnt get you 07:56 -!- d-modolo [~d-modolo@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 07:57 < Snafu_> i assume thats still the case .. the runtime libs for the client tree is redhat 7.1 ? i think 07:58 < Prakash> actually i m using redhat linux 9.0 as server 08:01 < andrea> anyone use a usb printer attached on a client??? 08:01 < Snafu_> rough for those new to unix and a poor grasp on english ... 08:02 < Prakash> tell me 08:03 < Prakash> ru ther 08:03 < Snafu_> they may xlate the menus and messages to russian but the source code will still be english .. 08:03 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-131.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 08:03 < amh> Praksh: nice colours. What's up? 08:03 < amh> Yuo want telnet to ws? 08:03 < amh> Take local_apps 08:04 < Snafu_> that package have the missing telnet inetd n stuff ? 08:04 < amh> xinetd I think 08:04 < Prakash> ok 08:04 < amh> For telnet access as root you need to modify stuff 08:04 -!- viric [~llbat098@25.Red-80-24-26.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:04 < amh> else only clients can telnet, when NIS is setup 08:04 < Prakash> i know that one friend 08:05 < amh> OK. Was it you yesterday I told to modify /etc/passwd? 08:05 < amh> (Brain in over-temperature mode, 35°C here :-) 08:05 < Prakash> today only i m here 08:05 < amh> so you have local apps installed 08:06 < Prakash> ok 08:06 < amh> and then modify /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/passwd, the line root:: needs a valid encrypted password and a valid shell 08:06 < Prakash> that local apps has telnetd and inetd 08:06 < Prakash> am i right 08:06 < amh> has telnetd and xinetd 08:07 < Prakash> wheather it is available in ltsp.org 08:07 < Snafu_> there is no 4.x kit for locapps but the 3.x kit will prob work unless there is lib version clash .. 08:07 < Prakash> ok 08:08 < morfic> Snafu_: i was just asked if you are some sort of AI! 08:08 < amh> What a compliment... 08:08 < Prakash> plz come to pvt chat 08:08 < amh> Prakash, who? 08:09 < Prakash> you 08:09 < Snafu_> well first i would need some actual inteligence present .. before one could wonder if it was artificiial or not ... 08:10 < morfic> Snafu_: so you say there is no intelligence present on your terminal? 08:10 * indi^ hides in the corner 08:10 < Snafu_> a stewed carrot has more snap on bad days .. terminal ? there are those that wish what i have was terminal 08:11 < morfic> Snafu_: and the number of those isnt small i hear 08:11 -!- frame [~frame@213-35-223-210-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:12 < Snafu_> well its like they say ... 99% of the lawyers make the rest look bad 08:12 -!- Mundy___ [~mundy@dialup-215.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has joined #LTSP 08:14 -!- Mundy [~mundy@dialup-161.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:16 < Snafu_> going against the traffic can be usefull tho, like my ltsp setup is backwards .. i have one screen and a pile of headless rexec accessed machines .. its the whole concept of ltsp turned backwards .. 08:17 < Snafu_> about the only flaw is some old sgi stuff uses irisGL/dgl and linux glx dont have that ... 08:20 -!- paza [ircuser@62.142.224.146] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:24 -!- Mundy__ [~mundy@dialup-131.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:25 < Snafu_> i guess nobody knows if 3.x and 4.x bets is using the same libs .. 08:28 < Snafu_> ok so the answer is no .. its built from scratch .. 08:29 < Snafu_> the older local apps kit should still work tho . older apps on newer libs is usually not a problem ( other way round usually is ) with the exception of the gcc 3.x 2.x issue with the c++ abi .. 08:31 < Snafu_> heh but he is using gcc 3 to build glibc 2.2 08:31 < Snafu_> so any c++ stuff from the old kit is probably broken 08:34 < Snafu_> http://radio.weblogs.com/0120124/ 08:38 < madctrl> hi all 08:39 < Snafu_> lo one 08:43 < noknow> hi all again 08:44 < noknow> done that rom boot fd 08:44 < noknow> but now stalls on searching dhcp 08:44 < noknow> :/ 08:44 < Snafu_> its a start ... it means the rom is working 08:44 < amh> Is the dhcpd running on the server? 08:44 < amh> Did you specify a filename in dhcpd.conf? 08:45 < noknow> on /etc 08:45 < amh> I think that's the two most common errors. 08:45 < noknow> dhcpd is running...started it with redhat-config-services 08:45 < indi^> thx for the help/chat/info dudes. bbl. cya laters 08:45 -!- indi^ [indig0@host81-7-56-172.surfport24.v21.co.uk] has quit [] 08:46 < noknow> wot i got is just dhcpd.conf.example :) 08:46 < noknow> erm... 08:46 < noknow> what needs to be uncommented? 08:46 < amh> That does probably not contain a filename "/vmlinuz.ltsp"; line, does it? 08:47 < madctrl> ahh! can't get tftp working under slackware. arrrgh!! working on.. 08:47 < noknow> it does 08:47 < noknow> twice 08:47 < amh> noknow: You could check /var/log/messages if there is any DHCPDISCOVER and DHCPOFFER messages 08:47 < noknow> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1"; 08:47 < noknow> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.9-ltsp-6"; 08:47 < amh> noknow: That's a bit annoying. 08:47 < Snafu_> look to the bottom of http://www.ltsp.org/instructions-3.0.html 08:48 < noknow> ok 08:48 < amh> If you take that, just update the ws001 with the hardware address of your client, and check if the IP addresses are OK for your setup 08:50 < noknow> ok 08:50 < Snafu_> madctrl the slack daemon can be anal about staying in /tftpboot 08:50 < noknow> now i have 08:50 < noknow> a dhcpd.conf 08:51 < noknow> that looks the way it should (or so it seems) 08:51 < noknow> but still searching 08:51 < Snafu_> madctrl the simple fix is to simply drop your kernels in that tree and fix your file paths 08:51 < noknow> there is nothing on /var/log/messages 08:52 < amh> OK. Have you restarted the dhcpd? 08:52 < noknow> .. 08:52 < amh> Sure that the IP addresses are OK and that dhcpd listens on the right ethernet interface of the server? 08:52 < madctrl> Snafu_: thanks. i'm going to try that now 08:53 < Snafu_> ya he shouls at least get the startup message 08:53 < amh> BTW these DHCPDISCOVER might be in /var/log/daemon.log or so too... depends on distro. Don't beat me :-) 08:53 < noknow> failed to start dhcp 08:53 < amh> With which error= 08:54 < noknow> The error was: Starting dhcpd: Internet Software Consortium DHCP Server V3.0pl1 08:54 < Snafu_> madctrl also you can try removing the /tftpboot/ portion of the path and dont start the path with a leading / since root for tftpd is inside the tftpboot dir ... 08:54 < noknow> Can't bind to dhcp address: Address already in use 08:54 < noknow> Please make sure there is no other dhcp server 08:54 < noknow> running and that there's no entry for dhcp or 08:54 < noknow> bootp in /etc/inetd.conf. Also make sure you 08:54 < noknow> are not running HP JetAdmin software, which 08:54 < noknow> includes a bootp server. 08:55 < Snafu_> he well killall dhcpd before ya start it again 08:55 < noknow> no dhcp running 08:55 < Snafu_> dhcpd 08:56 < noknow> dhcpd 08:56 < noknow> sorry :) 08:56 < Snafu_> so .. do you need the dhcpd 3.0 additions to the file ? 08:56 < noknow> there are no entries in /etc/inetd.conf 08:56 < noknow> i dont know, ... dhcpd wont start 08:56 < amh> What does netstat -l -p | grep dhcp say? 08:57 < noknow> nothing 08:57 < Snafu_> top of the dhcpd.conf ... 08:57 < Snafu_> ddns-update-style none; 08:57 < Snafu_> option option-128 code 128 = string; 08:57 < Snafu_> option option-129 code 129 = text; 08:57 < Snafu_> your file include those ? 08:58 < madctrl> Snafu_: when i do "nc localhost 69" i get connection refused from tftp. should it be like that? ;) 08:58 < amh> Snafu_: good point, but what about that "Can't bind" message? 08:58 < Snafu_> older daemon didnt need em ... new one does .. 08:58 < noknow> says that after option root-path 08:58 < amh> madctrl: May be. tftp is udp IIRC 08:58 < noknow> im using dhcpd from linux redhat 9 08:58 < amh> madctrl: Use the tftp program to test 08:58 < amh> noknow: So should be recent version, ok. 08:58 < madctrl> amh: i'm using the tftp program for testing but it's not going well.. 08:59 < Snafu_> mad and i assume you have killall -HUP inetd after you uncommented the tftpd line in inetd.conf 08:59 < madctrl> Snafu_: yes :) 08:59 < amh> noknow: can you call dhcpd by hand, like /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -cf /etc/dhcpd.conf eth0 --of course with your right interface and config file location 09:00 < Snafu_> tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd in.tftpd /tftpboot 09:00 < noknow> same error 09:01 < amh> madctrl: Here too netstat is your friend :-) netstat -l -p -n | grep 69 should show listening processes 09:01 < amh> madctrl: Is there in.tftp anywhere on your PC? 09:01 < amh> noknow: What does ifconfig eth0 give? 09:01 < noknow> normal..my ip 09:02 < noknow> should i paste here? 09:02 < amh> Which is.... 09:02 < madctrl> amh: yes, I have in.tftpd 09:02 < noknow> 192.168.1.205 09:02 < madctrl> Snafu_: should I not use the -s option? 09:02 < amh> noknow: Gotcha! 09:02 < noknow> :)? 09:02 < amh> noknow: Did you adapt dhcpd.conf to all have 192.168.1 network instead of 192.168.0 ??? 09:03 < noknow> yes 09:03 < Snafu_> ya my daemon is older than yours 09:03 < noknow> at install tyime 09:03 < noknow> on the CONFIG 09:03 < noknow> and the example now had it like that too 09:03 < noknow> i cp example to config 09:03 < amh> noknow: The shared-network workstaions too in dhcpd.conf? 09:03 < noknow> option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; 09:03 < noknow> option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255; 09:03 < noknow> option routers 192.168.1.205; 09:03 < noknow> option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.205; 09:03 < noknow> option domain-name "bms"; 09:03 < noknow> option root-path "192.168.1.205:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 09:04 < noknow> subnet 192.168.1.0 09:04 < Snafu_> bms isnt a domain name and 09:04 < Snafu_> ddns-update-style none; 09:04 < Snafu_> option option-128 code 128 = string; 09:04 < noknow> i see something on my host ws001 09:04 < Snafu_> option option-129 code 129 = text; 09:04 < noknow> it says fixed-address 192.168.1.1 09:04 < noknow> is that ok? 09:05 < amh> Snafu_: bms for a domain name should work 09:05 < Snafu_> top of the file needs those 3 lines 09:05 < amh> noknow: fixed-ip 192.168.1.1 should be OK. 09:05 < noknow> what ip is that? 09:05 < amh> Snafu_: Though the official standard would probably only allow .test or .invalid besides all valid domains... 09:05 < noknow> i got a machine with that ip on the network 09:05 < Snafu_> amh without a root domain ? weird .. why dont people go standard instaed of doing bug hunts in the resilver library you know what i mean ? 09:06 < amh> Snafu_: Of course, but most times these private domains are no problem though. OK, I use a real domain here, but "kfg" in my toy project works fine. 09:06 < noknow> if i take dhcpd.conf it starts ok ... 09:07 < amh> Snafu_: Until there is besides .firm and .info a .kfg too :-) 09:07 < amh> noknow: So you pasted the three additional lines and now it runs? 09:07 < noknow> no 09:07 < Snafu_> ya but it also assumes the root domain used is also shared by the host under a valid hostname .. 09:07 -!- andrea [~a@ziowall.cline.it] has quit [] 09:07 < noknow> 3 additional lines were already there 09:07 < noknow> downloaded it today 09:08 < amh> noknow: But it runs now, yeah? 09:08 < noknow> it only runs when there is no dhcpd.conf 09:08 < noknow> :/ 09:08 < amh> noknow: That's crazy. 09:08 < Snafu_> and a bet that fake root domain isnt in his resolv file search line etc .. 09:08 < noknow> whats ws002 09:08 < noknow> ? 09:08 < noknow> and ws00 09:08 < noknow> 1 09:08 -!- jjjj [~jjjj@216.174.41.86] has joined #ltsp 09:08 < Snafu_> as i said it need those 3 lines 09:08 < madctrl> jjj 09:08 < madctrl> j 09:08 < amh> Snafu_: for us, it is 09:08 < Snafu_> ddns-update-style none; withou tthat one it wont even start 09:09 < noknow> that came on the CONFIG file i downloaded in the tar.gz 09:09 < amh> Snafu_: I anyway recommend getting a cheap own domain to play with, .DE are below 6$ a year, so who cares? :-) And I have lots of subdomains for just toying around 09:09 < Prakash> gcc lib available for ltsp 09:10 < noknow> has 09:10 < noknow> filename /lts 09:10 < noknow> i have no folder with that name 09:10 < jjjj> i have my own .net form joker.com under 10 09:10 < noknow> like :/lts/vmlinuz 09:10 < Snafu_> amh when i see weird i see pain thats all .. its so much easier when thing are traditional ... fake domains are fine .. i use em i do zone tranfers for the fakes of my chums .. but they ARE setup clean and proper .. and things dont work right when things are messy 09:10 < jjjj> Snafu_ is right messy dns creates headaches 09:11 < amh> Snafu_: Professional touch is a sign of real class :-) Of course it must be done *right* 09:11 < amh> noknow: Look if there is /tftpboot/lts/. That should be used, there is a change root involved with the tftp server 09:11 < Snafu_> Fubar:/# host after.10net.net 09:11 < Snafu_> after.10net.net. has address 10.100.1.21 09:12 < noknow> that exists 09:12 < amh> noknow: So that's fine. 09:12 < amh> noknow: But you have to have a dhcpd running, else the ws won't even boot. 09:12 < noknow> should i change dhcpd.conf to that? 09:12 < amh> noknow: NO. 09:12 < jjjj> i dont have dns up my server and it works 09:12 < noknow> dhcpd wont start with dhcpd.conf on etc 09:12 < noknow> like something there crashing it 09:13 < amh> noknow: As I said, there is a change root. That means, when /lts/... is requested at the tftp server, he prepends /tftpboot for you 09:13 < noknow> ok apache like ok 09:13 < amh> noknow: Is there a directory /etc/dhcp something? 09:13 < Snafu_> yup a typo can abort it .. like a misplaced semicolon 09:13 < noknow> no 09:13 < noknow> no folder dhcp* on /etc 09:13 < jjjj> or } 09:13 < noknow> just the .conf 09:13 < noknow> its got two commented lines 09:14 < noknow> option option 128 09:14 < noknow> this is not a mac address 09:14 < Snafu_> they cant be commented 09:14 < noknow> ## option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; #This is NOT a MAC address 09:14 < noknow> ## option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0x300"; 09:14 < amh> noknow: You need at least the option-128 09:14 < Snafu_> those can be commented 09:14 < Snafu_> the fist is a magic number 09:14 < Snafu_> but also 09:15 < Snafu_> option option-128 code 128 = string; 09:15 < Snafu_> option option-129 code 129 = text; 09:15 < Snafu_> those must be in the top of the file 09:15 < amh> That magic number better should be set, I think. It doesn't matter anyhow, so remove the comment mark at the beginning of the line. 09:15 < Snafu_> ddns-update-style none; along with that one 09:15 < amh> noknow: How about pasting your dhcpd.conf in *complete*, so that we can have a look... 09:15 < noknow> ok 09:16 < noknow> here goes: 09:16 < noknow> # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd 09:16 < noknow> # 09:16 < noknow> # Make changes to this file and copy it to /etc/dhcpd.conf 09:16 < noknow> # 09:16 < noknow> 09:16 < noknow> ddns-update-style none; 09:16 < noknow> 09:16 < noknow> default-lease-time 21600; 09:16 < noknow> max-lease-time 21600; 09:16 < noknow> 09:16 < noknow> option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; 09:16 < noknow> option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255; 09:16 < noknow> option routers 192.168.1.205; 09:16 < noknow> option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.205; 09:16 < noknow> option domain-name "yourdomain.com"; 09:16 < noknow> option root-path "192.168.1.205:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 09:16 < noknow> 09:17 < noknow> option option-128 code 128 = string; 09:17 < noknow> option option-129 code 129 = text; 09:17 < noknow> 09:17 < noknow> shared-network WORKSTATIONS { 09:17 < noknow> subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { 09:17 < noknow> } 09:17 < noknow> } 09:17 < noknow> 09:17 < noknow> group { 09:17 < noknow> use-host-decl-names on; 09:17 < noknow> option log-servers 192.168.1.205; 09:17 < noknow> 09:17 < noknow> host ws001 { 09:17 < noknow> hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; 09:17 < noknow> fixed-address 192.168.1.1; 09:17 < noknow> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1"; 09:17 < noknow> ## option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; #This is NOT a MAC address 09:17 < noknow> ## option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0x300"; 09:17 < noknow> } 09:17 < noknow> host ws002 { 09:17 < noknow> hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; 09:17 < noknow> fixed-address 192.168.1.2; 09:17 < noknow> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.9-ltsp-6"; 09:17 < noknow> } 09:17 < noknow> } 09:17 < noknow> ~ 09:17 < noknow> changed back "bms" to "yourdomain.com" 09:18 < jstraw> noknow: can you use the paste bot for something that long in the future, onegaishimasu! 09:18 * jstraw is flooded... 09:18 < noknow> ok sorry 09:18 < amh> jstraw: The bot is not available, at least not from me.... so.... 09:18 < jstraw> hmm 09:18 < jstraw> amh: the pastebot was owned by mistik1 09:18 < noknow> can see it either 09:18 < Snafu_> sigh 09:19 < jjjj> hasnt been for a while 09:19 < jstraw> last I heard it was still working 09:19 < no_paste> "misato" has pasted test at http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/6 09:19 < jstraw> eh? 09:19 < jstraw> sure works 09:19 < Snafu_> next thing it will be something about not having shoes or shirt 09:20 < jstraw> Snafu_: go away 09:20 -!- mode/#ltsp [+o jstraw] by ChanServ 09:20 -!- mode/#ltsp [+q *!*@209.176.43.210] by jstraw 09:20 -!- mode/#ltsp [-o jstraw] by jstraw 09:20 < amh> jstraw: What did you do there? 09:20 < jstraw> man am I tired of the idiotic remarks 09:20 < jstraw> amh: quieted him 09:21 < jstraw> took his voice 09:21 < amh> jstraw: Well, no mocking against the mighty :-) 09:21 < amh> jstraw: But I only get pastebot.... : Could not locate remote server 09:21 < jstraw> amh: I have had to listen to him for 6 months 09:21 < jstraw> http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888 09:21 < amh> jstraw: I had no problem with him, but I've not been here so long. 09:21 < amh> mom, I'll test again 09:22 < jjjj> i get cant find host 09:22 < amh> Me neither 09:22 < jstraw> hmm 09:22 < jstraw> can you get geeksinthehood.net at all 09:23 < jstraw> daikayousai$ host geeksinthehood.net 09:23 < jstraw> geeksinthehood.net has address 67.81.198.160 09:23 < jjjj> i couldnt the other day 09:23 < jjjj> i am work, let my login to my home machine and try from there 09:23 < noknow> i can get t9o it 09:24 -!- lanius [heino@p508E1BA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta3 "CVS""] 09:24 < jjjj> hrm the dns lookup for geeksinthehood.net works at home but not here at work 09:24 < noknow> bad dns... 09:24 < amh> jstraw: Unavailable from three different locations in Germany, does not resolve 09:25 < noknow> so did anyone get to see my dhcpd.conf? 09:25 < amh> noknow: Yes. It looks fine, I think 09:25 < amh> And there is only one ethernet interface in the server with the 192.168.1.205, isn't it? 09:26 -!- Snafu_ [~afu@209.176.43.210] has left #LTSP [] 09:26 < noknow> yep 09:27 < amh> Entering /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 eth0 gives which error exactly - the same as before? 09:29 -!- monstro_sim [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has joined #ltsp 09:31 < amh> jstraw: now the pastebot resolves, but cannot be connected to! 09:31 < jstraw> odd 09:31 < jstraw> talk to mistik1 09:32 < jjjj> i am getting cant connect also 09:32 < amh> there it connects finally.. odd really 09:33 < madctrl> amh: can't get the tftp to working. I have changed changed so it start with the -s /tftpboot option. But I can still not get any files to be downloaded. 09:33 -!- manimay_ [~manimay@pD95447C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:34 < madctrl> netstat says 09:34 < madctrl> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:32769 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 119/rpc.statd 09:34 < madctrl> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 91/inetd 09:35 < monstro_sim> hi again :) 09:35 < monstro_sim> my dhcpd.conf can be accessed @ 62.105.85.229:8205 09:36 < monstro_sim> erm..no more obvious reasons why my dhcpd wont kickstart with it? 09:36 < monstro_sim> says address already in use 09:37 -!- frame [~frame@213-35-223-210-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has joined #ltsp 09:38 -!- monkeyboy [~geoffrey@greenblanket.ticom.com] has joined #ltsp 09:42 -!- loputo [~faxel@dialin-145-254-132-046.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ltsp 09:42 -!- manimay_ [~manimay@p50809420.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 09:43 -!- loputo [~faxel@dialin-145-254-132-046.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:44 < monstro_sim> can the dhcping come from another server? 09:45 < msinhore> I do not obtain to have access in none schemes floppy. Which are the necessary modulos in the configuration of lts.conf? 09:45 < msinhore> My lts.conf is: 09:45 < msinhore> [Default] 09:45 < msinhore> SERVER = 192.168.20.153 09:45 < msinhore> XSERVER = auto 09:45 < msinhore> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" 09:45 < msinhore> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" 09:45 < msinhore> X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 09:45 < msinhore> X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 2 09:45 < msinhore> XkbModel = "abnt2" 09:45 < msinhore> XkbLayout = "br" 09:45 < msinhore> USE_XFS = Y 09:45 < msinhore> LOCAL_APPS = Y 09:45 < msinhore> RUNLEVEL = 5 09:45 < msinhore> RCFILE_01 = floppyd 09:45 < msinhore> X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync 09:45 < msinhore> is correct? 09:46 -!- barasoft [~adriano@200-215-114-135.fnsce7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 09:48 -!- noknow [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:49 -!- Mundy___ [~mundy@dialup-215.224.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:49 < barasoft> Teste 09:49 -!- monstro_sim is now known as noknow 09:52 -!- jeff_at_abp [~jeff@66.147.11.46] has joined #ltsp 09:52 -!- [Snafu] [~snafu@l007098.zseriespenguins.ihost.com] has joined #LTSP 09:53 < [Snafu]> you around Jim ... 09:53 < jeff_at_abp> jammcq:would you have time to help me troubleshoot my "client hanging after loading kernel" now that linuxworld is over? 09:54 < jstraw> erm... 09:54 -!- mode/#ltsp [+o jstraw] by ChanServ 09:54 -!- mode/#ltsp [+q *!*@l007098.zseriespenguins.ihost.com] by jstraw 09:54 -!- [Snafu] [~snafu@l007098.zseriespenguins.ihost.com] has left #ltsp [requested by jstraw: "didn't you get +qed already?"] 09:56 < noknow> i know stupid question, but is the fixed address on host ws001 group the ip to give to any client? 10:00 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:06 < noknow> i give up...maybe ltsp dont work for network 192.168.1.0 10:08 < amh> noknow: Sorry was at phone. Back again here... :-) 10:09 < amh> Can you give what exactly ifconfig eth0 says? 10:10 < amh> jstraw: Did you really need to kick Snafu again? I know you don't like each other, but cannot you live with some comments from him? 10:14 < noknow> ok 10:14 < noknow> even if i have an empty dhcpd.conf dhcpd wont start 10:15 < noknow> can i paste it here?.. 10:16 < amh> It's three lines, isn 10:16 < amh> 't it? So just put them onto one, and noone will complain :-) 10:17 < noknow> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:84:3A:B3:F4 inet addr:192.168.1.205 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 10:17 < noknow> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 10:17 < noknow> RX packets:124300 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 10:17 < noknow> TX packets:71410 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:3390 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:46073394 (43.9 Mb) TX bytes:9246850 (8.8 Mb) Interrupt:11 Base address:0x3f00 10:19 < amh> That looks like what I expected. 10:19 < amh> And should be fine 10:19 -!- dmnokia [~Dark@gunes.bahcesehir.edu.tr] has joined #ltsp 10:20 < amh> Any running dhcp or bootp processes? (Use ps aux | grep dhcp or |grep boot to find out)... 10:25 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has quit ["Finalizando Cliente"] 10:27 -!- Prakash [~Prakash@202.9.172.132] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 10:27 < dmnokia> hi... I have trying to setup a pxe client. I download and install pxestuff then using this utility i create my bootable image "mkelf-linux --ip=rom /tftpboot/lts/bzImage-2.4.9-ltsp-6 >boot-ltsp-62" then change my /etc/dhcp.conf file. When the client boot I receive an error like that "Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 00:ff" I dont know what should I check 10:27 < amh> You need more parameters to mkelf-linux. Let me look... moment... 10:29 < amh> Sh*t don't find again. I think it had to do with setting --root= and --append= to reasoable values. Was on this channel yesterday or saturday I think. 10:30 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:30 < dmnokia> himmm 10:30 < dmnokia> let me check.. I will be here in 5 minutes :-) thx. amh 10:31 -!- dmnokia [~Dark@gunes.bahcesehir.edu.tr] has quit [] 10:33 -!- roedk [~roedk@62.79.81.200] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:33 -!- optiklenz [~jgabriel@4095.virtua.com.br] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:33 -!- optiklenz [~jgabriel@4095.virtua.com.br] has joined #ltsp 10:36 < noknow> no dhcp or boot 10:36 -!- Prakash [~Prakash@202.9.172.132] has joined #ltsp 10:37 < noknow> would any other server interfere with starting my dhcp? 10:37 < Prakash> Is it possible to boot a system wirelessly 10:37 < noknow> y does my dhcp start ok without any dhcpd.conf and fails the moment i have even a blank file with that name? 10:38 -!- dmnokia [~Dark@gunes.bahcesehir.edu.tr] has joined #ltsp 10:38 < amh> Prakash: Look for the wireless package on ltsp.org which means installing kernel and initrd to the workstation instead of booting over the wireless network. 10:39 < dmnokia> amh: I add the --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 parameter to mkelf-linux command 10:39 <@jstraw> amh: I'm not just doing this off hand 10:39 <@jstraw> amh: nor am I the only one who has asked for this too happen 10:40 < dmnokia> but my client gives the same response 10:40 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 10:41 < amh> dmnokia: Use --append="init=/linuxrc" --root="/dev/ram0" additionally, should work fine. 10:41 < amh> dmnokia: I had this trouble and Jim told me to do so... Some googling helped me to find theses 2 additions. Hope it's correct, give a hit! :-) 10:41 < dmnokia> amh: thx.. I am trying :-) 10:42 < Prakash> amh:any other spl. hardware required.. 10:42 < amh> A harddrive or floppy or cdrom or flash on the client side. 10:43 < Prakash> oh.. 10:43 < amh> There is AFAIK no wireless support with etherboot yet 10:43 <@jstraw> amh: right 10:43 <@jstraw> Prakash: etherboot cannot do pcmcia 10:43 < Prakash> what is that AFAIK 10:43 < dmnokia> amh: --root means --rootdir ?? 10:43 < Prakash> jstraw: ok 10:43 <@jstraw> dmnokia: it is what to mount the root fs from 10:43 < Prakash> i have two PC 10:44 <@jstraw> on the ltsp kernels it is an initrd on /dev/ram0 10:44 < Prakash> what i have to do for wireless network 10:44 <@jstraw> Prakash: go to ltsp.org's contrib section 10:44 <@jstraw> there is a howto on it 10:44 < dmnokia> amh: ok.. nut no --root option. --rootdir is avaible 10:44 < amh> jstraw: Cannot to PCMCIA *yet*. 10:44 < Prakash> jstraw:thanx 10:44 < amh> jstraw: That's what I spent my weekend with. 10:44 <@jstraw> amh: as far as I knew it wasn't in the works 10:44 < dmnokia> amh: mkelf-linux --append="init=/linuxrc" --root="/dev/ram0" --ip=rom /tftpboot/lts/bzImage-2.4.9-ltsp-6 >boot-ltsp-64 10:44 < dmnokia> Option root is ambiguous (rootdir, rootmode) 10:45 <@jstraw> dmnokia: root is root device 10:45 <@jstraw> it always has been 10:45 < amh> jstraw: And it's complicated as hell... It's not in the CVS as it didn't work yet. Somewhere in CIS detection I'm in error - but working on it 10:45 <@jstraw> amh: cool 10:45 <@jstraw> how small will it be? 10:46 < amh> jstraw: I think for i82365 - the only controller I support as I can only test this one - small, few k. Can only say when finished! :-/ 10:46 <@jstraw> hehe 10:46 < amh> dmnokia: Try putting append="init=linuxrc root=/dev/ram0" 10:46 * jstraw runs out for a moment 10:46 < dmnokia> jstraw: mkelf-linux command not have --root parameter 10:47 <@jstraw> dmnokia: it is in the append bit... amh has it 10:47 < dmnokia> amh: ok I understand 10:49 < dmnokia> amh: mkelf-linux append="init=linuxrc root=/dev/ram0" --ip=rom /tftpboot/lts/bzImage-2.4.9-ltsp-6 >boot-ltsp-66 10:49 < dmnokia> append=init=linuxrc root=/dev/ram0: file not found 10:50 < amh> sorry, needs a doubleminus in front of append --append="init=linuxrc root=/dev/ram0" 10:53 < dmnokia> amh: it worked now... let me check my client 10:54 * jstraw notes that it is odd for someone to need a specialty kernel ;) 10:55 <@jstraw> 99.9% don't need it :) 10:56 < amh> jstraw: You need it perhaps with a special NIC (like RTL8169 Gigabit up to the latest ltsp kit) or when you want powermanagement in the client 10:56 <@jstraw> ahh 10:56 <@jstraw> yea... 10:56 <@jstraw> but that is about all I can think of 10:56 < amh> jstraw: Like for turning of the machine remotely, ATX rulez! 10:56 <@jstraw> hehe 10:57 < amh> jstraw: It's constructed, admittedly. However it's better to have the possibility and near-to-never use it! Imagine WinCE in similar situation. 10:57 <@jstraw> yea 10:57 <@jstraw> I agree entirely 10:57 < jjjj> your could also do a custom kernel if all your clients are the same and you want to get rid of all the stuff the kernel doesnt need 10:58 < amh> and optimize in case they are PentiumPro CPU or so, and compile in the NIC module and make a custom LPP boot logo for your company 10:58 < jjjj> hehe 10:58 < jjjj> yep 10:59 < jjjj> or P4s 10:59 < jjjj> there are 15+ years of optimization between i386 and P4 11:00 < amh> And 15 minutes in booting a full blast linux 11:00 <@jstraw> amh: heh 11:00 < amh> good that ltsp is so fast. I like it. (At least on 486 it brings a real lot of time!) 11:01 <@jstraw> jjjj: the optimization doesn't matter at all on the clients really 11:01 <@jstraw> at least not until LTSP4 11:01 < jjjj> hehe 11:01 < jjjj> well i386 doesnt include any mmx 11:01 <@jstraw> so? :) 11:02 < jjjj> any pentium or higher with mmx would have some benefit with it compiled in 11:02 <@jstraw> all the stuff in the nfs mount on LTSP3 and below are i386 redhat binaries 11:02 <@jstraw> having a optimized kernel really matters little compared to an unoptimized X 11:03 < jjjj> true 11:03 < amh> Watching a game, having a bud.... SCNR 11:03 < jjjj> a game on monday afternoon? 11:06 < amh> jjjj: http://www.prosieben.de/programmguide/index.php?datum=2003-08-11&s=17 lists a tennis match later this afternoon... 11:07 < dmnokia> . 11:12 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662588-137.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:14 < amh> dmnokia: What a point are you trying to make? I just couldn't resist putting some offtopic, that's all :-) 11:15 < jjjj> and more sure tennis is "beer sport" 11:15 < jjjj> er i am not sure tenis is a "beer sport" 11:15 < amh> at this temperature no matter what is "beer sport"! Having still 35°C in my workplace, 33°C in the living room 11:16 < jjjj> what is that in F 11:16 <@jstraw> that is warm 11:16 <@jstraw> near 85-90 11:16 < amh> :-) 11:16 < jjjj> inside 11:16 < amh> yep 11:17 < jjjj> that when you wear at little clothes as possible 11:17 < jjjj> your computer doesnt like that 11:17 < dmnokia> amh: I am tring to setup a LTSP 4 beta server with a client 11:17 < amh> jjjj: It does, believe me. And right, I don't wear more than a shorts right now. It's 35°C = 95°F btw. 11:18 < dmnokia> my client is a fujitsu-siemes computer with pxe 11:18 < amh> That sounds nice 11:18 < dmnokia> amh: but I cant boot with it. I make an boot disk from rom-o-matic 11:18 < amh> Yep? 11:18 < dmnokia> now I am trying to boot my client :-( 11:18 < amh> What does it say? 11:19 < dmnokia> but will kick the computer in 5 minutes :-) 11:19 < dmnokia> amh: it dont load my pxe kernel now... 11:19 < amh> With romomatic, you don't need a pxekernel 11:19 < amh> You just take the vmlinuz.ltsp or whatever it is called as supplied with the standard ltsp set - I think LTSP4 has something like that too. 11:20 < amh> Etherboot makes the rest for you. At least it should! 11:20 < dmnokia> I think LTSP 4 is not working 11:20 < amh> What is the symptom of "not working"? 11:21 < dmnokia> after the install ltsp 11:21 < dmnokia> I install pxestuff.. shouldnt I ?? 11:21 < amh> You need not. 11:21 < amh> You can use etherboot and omit all that pxestuff. 11:22 < dmnokia> amh: any documataion or any toaster for it :-) 11:22 < dmnokia> I am very very beginner in ltsp 11:22 < amh> There is the possibility to go: Boot->PXE->PXEstuff->kernel or Boot->Floppy->Etherboot->vmlinuz file->kernel or Boot->PXE->Etherboot->vmlinuz file->kernel 11:23 < amh> I think LTSP4 is not so well documented yet, but I'm not on the bleeding edge, still keeping LTSP3 here. 11:23 < dmnokia> himmmm I should follow the leader and try LTSP3 :-) 11:23 < jjjj> you mean gushing edge 11:24 < amh> dmnokia: I'm no leader, and jammcq is probably using 4. 11:24 < dmnokia> but I cant reach the jammcq 11:24 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:25 < amh> jjjj: word not found error: gushing (in my brain). :-) 11:25 < amh> OK, so let's try to get you going on 4. 11:25 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.196.128] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:25 < jjjj> he answered a few emails this morning on the list server 11:25 < jjjj> amh: word not found? 11:27 < amh> I'm no native speaker. Don't know "gushing", that's all. For me, "bleeding edge" means "newest, even beta, stuff" 11:27 < jjjj> gushing means bleeding alot, so gushing edge would mean really really really new 11:27 < amh> At least it's in past-alpha stage 11:27 < jjjj> barely 11:28 < jjjj> i havent tried it, i rolled my own stuff 11:33 < noknow> bye all 11:33 -!- noknow [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 11:36 -!- barasoft [~adriano@200-215-114-135.fnsce7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 11:43 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: no_paste, TheLaw, Vee2d2, d-modolo, pattieja, gola, amh, t0m, ccjoe, Faithful, (+18 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 11:43 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: robbie, kVanQue, Bill_E_laptop, HiltonT, SmilieZ, Yngwie, frame 11:54 -!- WX [~chris@64.215.19.7] has joined #ltsp 11:57 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com] has joined #ltsp 11:57 -!- no_paste [geeks@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 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amh> mkay. what did you do? 14:38 < amh> LTSP3 or 4? 14:38 < andy4866> are you talking to me amh? 14:38 < amh> yep 14:38 < andy4866> if so, i used ltsp 3 14:38 < amh> fine 14:38 < amh> what did you change? 14:38 < andy4866> i saw the comment at the end of inittab 14:38 -!- WX [~chris@64.215.19.7] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:38 < amh> Which was what commented out? 14:38 < andy4866> well i used the ltsp_configure script 14:39 < andy4866> let me get the exact verbage, two secs 14:41 < andy4866> having some internet problems. really slow. but the last line of my 14:42 < andy4866> /etc/inittab says x:5: respawn/usr/xr116/bin/xdm -nodaemon which 14:42 < andy4866> was inserted by the ltsp installations script 14:43 < amh> You could take that out 14:43 < no_paste> "andyvan" has pasted here is the etc/inittab at http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/8 14:43 < andy4866> i commented it with a # at the beginning and uncommented the orginal line (prefdm) 14:44 < andy4866> which looked like the call for the login program 14:44 < amh> Which was your pref dm, kdm or gdm? 14:44 < amh> does it work on the server (if there is a display at all)? 14:44 < andy4866> i am using gnome 14:44 < amh> so gdm is your friend 14:44 < andy4866> oh, ok 14:45 < andy4866> the server works fine 14:45 < amh> [G]nome [D]isplay [M]anager 14:45 < andy4866> X that is, however 14:45 -!- Maldeto [bGates@dialup-166-114-154-97.scbbs-bo.com] has joined #ltsp 14:45 < andy4866> i have to start it by hand with "startx" 14:45 < amh> OK. So you need XDMCP to be enabled for gdm 14:45 < andy4866> hadnt heard of xdmcp, would it be running under ps-aux? 14:45 < amh> Then look if /etc/X11/prefdm exists. Should be a link, probably, to /usr/sbin/gdm or so 14:46 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:46 < amh> andy4866: You talk rubbish! :-) 14:46 < amh> ps-aux is the mouse/keyboard interface 14:46 < andy4866> the /etc/X11/prefdm exists just where you mentioned 14:46 < andy4866> sorry, i meant "ps -aux" 14:46 < amh> and xdmcp is a protocol over which remote display logins can be managed 14:46 < amh> oh, I see. 14:46 < amh> sorry :-) 14:46 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.196.128] has joined #ltsp 14:47 < amh> So /etc/X11/prefdm is a link to /some/where/gdm? 14:47 < jammcq> no 14:47 < andy4866> one sec, i will check 14:47 < jammcq> no /etc/X11/prefdm is a shell script 14:47 < amh> I'm no RH9 type, so I have to ask 14:48 < amh> jammcq: If you read: gdm seems not to come up automatically. 14:48 < jammcq> it should 14:48 < amh> for andy4866 14:48 < andy4866> sure enough it is a script 14:49 < amh> OK. It should run gdm for you. Can you execute by hand? 14:51 < morfic> jammcq: got a moment for a little chuckle? 14:52 < jammcq> sure 14:53 -!- budgee [~chatzilla@neo.ws.co.za] has joined #ltsp 14:53 < morfic> the ltsp box i have in austin, i forgot to set bios to reinstate last power condition in case of a powerfailure, i havent benn in austin for a long time so in july power went out thet client were looking fpr server, we told them to turn on server and guess what they did 14:53 < jammcq> umm, dunno 14:53 < morfic> they called the ISP, grandecom and they were dumb enough and came to turn it on for them 14:53 -!- semtex [~brendan@cD908889B.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ltsp 14:53 < jammcq> heh 14:54 < morfic> i have to put that on my todo list for the next visit ;P together with replacing 256MB with a 512MB stick 14:54 < morfic> ive been running 3 clients on 256MB since we havent made it out there in, well months 14:56 < amh> cool that it's that stable. We auto-turn down every evening because it's not needed in the night. Auto-turn-on at 7:30 works perfect for us. 14:56 < amh> So uptime < 12h always 14:57 < morfic> i suppose i could look into something like that 14:57 -!- andy4866 [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:57 < morfic> if i really get to take it down and ltsp4 progresses well i might redo the box, different distro, different ltsp, unless jammcq doesnt think ltsp4 is read for that yet 14:58 < amh> One thing about that resume-after-power-fail: Some manufacturers hide it in the bios (ECS K7S5A in some revisions). Have to unhide with AMIBCP or similar first. 14:58 < jammcq> LTSP-4 is ready now 14:58 -!- Maldeto [bGates@dialup-166-114-154-97.scbbs-bo.com] has quit [] 14:58 < morfic> amh: like my desktop at home has no such feature 14:59 < morfic> like final, or still beta 14:59 < morfic> i mean "good enough beta" type readiness? 14:59 < jammcq> the ltsp-4 code is final, it's the installer and ltspcfg tools that are beta 14:59 < morfic> ahhh 14:59 < amh> morfic: It's really cool what lots of setting features are behind the BIOS, hidden for normal users. 15:01 < morfic> amh: i know, or chipset feautres at that my old mobo had to have bank interleave turned on with setpci, which is what im doing now to turn on proper athlon-xp powersavings on my chipset, i went from idling at 48C to idling at 36C 15:01 < morfic> amh: know of such a tool for award bios? 15:01 < amh> moment, have to grep my harddrive. And it's LVM 160G :-) 15:01 < morfic> the installer worked a treat, i suppose its beta due to missing features like mirror select and all 15:02 < jammcq> yep 15:02 < morfic> cool 15:02 < jammcq> the installer just needs more people testing it 15:02 < jammcq> it's the ltspcfg that still needs some work 15:02 < morfic> what you had me run the other night does that include ltspcfg 15:02 < jammcq> umm, I don't think so. If you already had ltsp-3 running on your server, then ltspcfg isn't really necessary 15:02 < morfic> a central script that creates the proper dhcpd.conf starts the daemons needed on startup and all that? 15:03 < jammcq> you can download ltspcfg from http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.html 15:03 < morfic> well id be doing a fresh distro install, and it'd be a different distro 15:03 < jammcq> what distro ? 15:03 < morfic> ok ill have to check that out then 15:04 < morfic> if not rhl9 (from 8) then gentoo, if i have the box long enough i can distcc with my desktop to make it painless 15:05 < amh> morfic: Called modbin. Could be what you want, seems to be from award. 15:05 < morfic> let me google for it then 15:06 -!- budgee_ [~chatzilla@neo.ws.co.za] has joined #ltsp 15:06 -!- budgee [~chatzilla@neo.ws.co.za] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:07 -!- budgee_ [~chatzilla@neo.ws.co.za] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:07 < morfic> what about ltspcfg you think still has to change? 15:07 < morfic> do you see any problems in running ltsp4 on gentoo? 15:10 < jammcq> morfic: ltspcfg is still undergoing some development 15:10 < jammcq> ltsp-4 should run just fine on gentoo 15:11 -!- andy4866 [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 15:17 -!- lanius [heino@p508E3304.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:18 -!- andy4866beach [~andy@12-231-41-206.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 15:22 -!- jjjj [~jjjj@216.174.41.86] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 15:22 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: lanius 15:23 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: amh, andy4866, manimay_ 15:23 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: HiltonT, pattieja, madctrl, morfic, Bill_E_laptop, MetaCosm, jahroots, Vee2d2, Mundy_, remote, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 15:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: lanius, jammcq, DrEvil 15:23 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: t0m, ranger, TheLaw, parsley, TrAnCeFX, Faithful, jammcq, andy4866beach 15:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jahroots 15:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: morfic --- Day changed Mon Aug 25 2003 14:02 -!- ayanami_ [~ayanami@66.216.88.210] has joined #ltsp 14:02 -!- Topic for #ltsp: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ || LTSP is Linux World SF 2003's "Best Open Source Project" || Welcome LTSP 4 Users! 14:02 -!- Topic set by Lumiere [Mon Aug 18 14:16:56 2003] 14:02 [Users #ltsp] 14:02 [@jammcq ] [ drgalaxy] [ kVanQue ] [ OOps[x86] ] [ tcp ] 14:02 [@Lumiere ] [ Faithful] [ lanius ] [ pantz ] [ TheLaw ] 14:02 [@mistik1 ] [ frame ] [ lupo__ ] [ parsley_ ] [ TrAnCeFX] 14:02 [ ayanami ] [ gola ] [ m3thod__] [ pattieja ] [ tripz__ ] 14:02 [ ayanami_ ] [ jagman ] [ macros ] [ pr0m ] [ ufo_ ] 14:02 [ BadMagic ] [ jahroots] [ madctrl ] [ ragnar ] [ Vee2d2 ] 14:02 [ bjohnson ] [ jc227 ] [ manimay_] [ robbie ] [ Zaw ] 14:02 [ carlos-da-man] [ jhansk01] [ MetaCosm] [ slidesinger] 14:02 [ ccjoe ] [ jond3rd ] [ morfic ] [ SmilieZ ] 14:02 [ Damascene ] [ jstraw ] [ Mr_TRaNS] [ Snafu ] 14:02 [ drevil10 ] [ kinz ] [ no_paste] [ t0m ] 14:02 -!- Irssi: #ltsp: Total of 51 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 48 normal] 14:02 -!- Channel #ltsp created Sun Aug 3 16:30:45 2003 14:02 -!- Irssi: Join to #ltsp was synced in 22 secs 14:05 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.92.100.242] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 14:08 < BadMagic> mistik1: do you know what I have to do to get the local sound to work on the jammin? 14:09 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:09 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 14:13 < BadMagic> jammcq: you there? I've been adding libs to get my app running. Now it has a file it says it doesn't 14:13 < BadMagic> jammcq: any ideas? 14:13 <@mistik1> phew 14:13 <@mistik1> back 14:13 < BadMagic> mistik1: welcome back carter 14:13 <@jammcq> BadMagic: hey 14:14 <@mistik1> that's the last time I decide its a good idea to walk to my daughters school 14:14 <@jammcq> BadMagic: you prolly need to run ldconfig to setup the ld.cache.so. do this on the server: ldconfig -r /opt/ltsp/i386 14:14 -!- project9___ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 14:14 <@mistik1> BadMagic: should be no more than loading the drivers for the sound card 14:15 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:15 -!- project9___ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:15 < BadMagic> mistik1: I put the parameters that were listed on the sheet that came with the jammin in the lts.conf file. Is that what you mean? 14:16 -!- Lumiere [~misato@192.154.46.2] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:16 < BadMagic> mistik1: or the actual file... 14:16 <@mistik1> what does the section of lts.conf look like 14:16 < BadMagic> jammcq: that was it. complained that a couple of the files weren't a aymbolic link 14:17 < BadMagic> SOUND = Y 14:17 < BadMagic> SOUND_DAEMON = nasd 14:17 < BadMagic> SMODULE_01 = soundcore 14:17 < BadMagic> SMODUEL_02 = ac97_codec 14:17 < BadMagic> SMODULE_03 = via82cxxx_audio 14:17 <@jammcq> BadMagic: are you saying ldconfig worked ? 14:17 <@mistik1> hmm 14:17 < BadMagic> jammcq: yes the file that was there that it couldn' 14:17 < BadMagic> t find, it now does 14:17 <@mistik1> in this case however you wont need nasd 14:18 <@mistik1> and i'm not sure if ltsp4 rc.sysinit supports SMODULE yet 14:18 < BadMagic> mistik1: left in there for completeness unless it screws with local sound 14:18 <@jammcq> he could do just plain ole MODULE_01 14:18 <@mistik1> exactly 14:19 <@mistik1> and comment SOUND = and SOUND_DAEMON 14:19 <@mistik1> then boot to RUNLEVEL 3 and lsmod to see if they loaded 14:19 < BadMagic> #SOUND = Y 14:19 < BadMagic> #SOUND_DAEMON = nasd 14:19 < BadMagic> MODULE_01 = soundcore 14:19 < BadMagic> MODUEL_02 = ac97_codec 14:19 < BadMagic> MODULE_03 = via82cxxx_audio 14:19 <@mistik1> ok 14:19 <@mistik1> reboot the WS 14:20 < BadMagic> where do you set runlevel? 14:20 <@mistik1> same place 14:20 <@mistik1> RUNLEVEL = 3 14:20 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD951ED90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 14:20 < BadMagic> rebooting 14:20 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:21 < slidesinger> hi mistik1 14:21 <@mistik1> hey john 14:21 < slidesinger> hi jammcq 14:22 -!- ayanami [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:22 < BadMagic> mistik1: booted to xdm 14:22 < slidesinger> jammcq: Thanks for the Miles video. I'm going to watch it tonight. 14:22 -!- ayanami [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 14:23 <@jammcq> slidesinger: hey, no prob. I watched it again. really cool 14:23 <@mistik1> BadMagic: that's ok, that's the result of you session.d file 14:23 <@mistik1> just ctrl + alt + f1 14:23 < ayanami> grrrrrrrrrr 14:23 < ayanami> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 14:24 < BadMagic> ctrl + alt + f1 = nothing 14:24 <@mistik1> f2? 14:24 < BadMagic> ctrl + alt + f9 = cursor 14:24 <@mistik1> hmm 14:24 < BadMagic> f2 = f9 14:24 < BadMagic> nno login 14:24 < BadMagic> no shell 14:25 <@mistik1> add a shell to your session 14:25 <@mistik1> forgot this is lts4 here 14:25 < BadMagic> ? have xterm / konsole in X 14:25 < BadMagic> is that hwat you mnean? 14:26 <@mistik1> no 14:26 <@mistik1> sec 14:26 < BadMagic> k 14:27 <@mistik1> in the ws section add SCREEN_02 = shell 14:28 <@mistik1> I assume you already have SCREEN_01 = remote_x 14:28 <@jammcq> prolly has SCREEN_01 = startx 14:28 <@mistik1> ok 14:28 < BadMagic> jammcq is right 14:28 <@jammcq> BadMagic: did you clone the startx script ? 14:28 <@mistik1> my conf is pre cvs update 14:28 < BadMagic> jammcq: not yet 14:29 < BadMagic> started by replacing startx with my prog and giving it hte libs it complains about. 14:29 <@jammcq> ok, when you do, you'll want to replace that SCREEN_01 = startx with whatever your new script is 14:29 < BadMagic> haven't stopped complaining yet, but close 14:29 <@jammcq> ah 14:29 <@jammcq> I gotta run out for a bit. I'll be back in about 30 mins 14:29 <@mistik1> back to the shell now please 14:30 < BadMagic> jammcq: don't carry scissors facing up when you run. And no running by the pool! 14:30 < BadMagic> add you line, rebooting.... 14:30 <@jammcq> :) 14:30 <@mistik1> no need 14:30 <@mistik1> SCREENS are updated every 30 secs 14:30 < BadMagic> ???? wow! ????? 14:30 <@mistik1> that's one of the joys of ltsp4 14:30 < BadMagic> I like 14:31 < BadMagic> although I have to confess I find it joyfull to be able shut off and turn on without "it is now safe...." 14:31 <@mistik1> once you edit the lts.conf it will reread and you will have the new screen in 30 secs or less 14:31 < BadMagic> booted back up 14:31 < BadMagic> try the f2 again? 14:31 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.134] has joined #ltsp 14:31 <@mistik1> f2 should have a shell 14:31 < BadMagic> YEA! TH4ERE IT IS! 14:32 <@mistik1> lsmod 14:32 < BadMagic> lsmod = via82, ac97, soundcore, 8139, mii 14:32 <@mistik1> ok 14:32 <@mistik1> sound should work 14:32 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:32 < BadMagic> hmmm what would test? 14:33 < BadMagic> is alsa loaded? 14:33 <@mistik1> no 14:33 < BadMagic> oss? 14:33 <@mistik1> there is no alsa in the ltsp kernel 14:33 <@mistik1> i you have something that plays sound just play a sound 14:34 <@mistik1> s/i/if/ 14:34 < BadMagic> my qt app (qt in general) depends on nasd 14:34 <@mistik1> why? 14:34 <@mistik1> or rather how does it depend on nasd? 14:34 < BadMagic> that's just what the troll deemed 14:34 < BadMagic> if you use the Qt QSound class, it can olny play to nasd 14:35 < BadMagic> but that's ok for now, if I can get sound with mplayer 14:35 <@mistik1> must you use this class 14:35 < BadMagic> only for sound 14:35 < slidesinger> mistik1: you were right about bochs, though it is kind of cool, it is also quite sluggish in terms of performance. 14:35 <@mistik1> slidesinger: definately not ready for primetime 14:35 < BadMagic> I could re-write my own class I suppose, but for now the jamming just needs sound with the mplayer video (*.avi) files 14:36 <@mistik1> and mplayer wll work nicely 14:36 <@mistik1> I would love to build mplayer in LBE 14:36 < slidesinger> mistik1: actually I found it to be quite stable, but it seems to have limited application on the hardware I have available to me. 14:36 < BadMagic> k, back to getting my app running without login and with X 14:36 < BadMagic> ?LBE? 14:37 <@mistik1> LTSP BUild Environment 14:37 < slidesinger> mistik1: It needs more hardware than I can provide it. 14:37 < BadMagic> ya, I would love you to buil mplayer in LBE! 14:37 < slidesinger> mistik1: Think I'll stick with VMWare. 14:37 <@mistik1> heh 14:38 < BadMagic> is that where your working on nasd? LBE? 14:38 -!- Mr_TRaNS [~Thomas@pD9E1DF37.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:38 <@mistik1> yes 14:41 < BadMagic> mistik1: I think I'm getting closer. 2 questions 14:41 < slidesinger> jammcq: when you do the demo machine for linuxworld, which vmware product are you using to run the windows terminal server? 14:41 < BadMagic> 1: syslogd: cannot write to remote file handle on .... is that important? 14:41 <@mistik1> yes 14:42 < BadMagic> 2: my app (Qt based) says cannot connect to X server 14:42 < BadMagic> which doesn't suprise me, since I replaced screen01 = startx with screen01 = myapp 14:42 < BadMagic> jammcq sayin I need my own xinit? 14:43 <@mistik1> 1) edit /etc/sysconfig/syslog , add -r to the SYSLOGD_OPTIONS= line 14:44 < BadMagic> in /opt/ltsp? 14:44 <@mistik1> no 14:44 < BadMagic> k 14:44 <@mistik1> on the server 14:44 -!- ayanami is now known as Lumiere 14:44 <@mistik1> lemme see that line? 14:45 < BadMagic> I don't see the syslogd_options line 14:45 <@mistik1> show the contents of that file please 14:45 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 14:47 < BadMagic> ## Path: System/Logging 14:47 < BadMagic> ## Description: System logging 14:47 < BadMagic> ## Type: list(0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) 14:47 < BadMagic> ## Default: 1 14:47 < BadMagic> # 14:47 < BadMagic> # Default loglevel for klogd 14:47 < BadMagic> # 14:47 < BadMagic> KERNEL_LOGLEVEL=1 14:47 < BadMagic> ## Type: string 14:47 < BadMagic> ## Default: "" 14:47 < BadMagic> # 14:47 < BadMagic> # if not empty: parameters for syslogd 14:47 < BadMagic> # for example SYSLOGD_PARAMS="-r -s my.dom.ain" 14:47 < BadMagic> # 14:47 < BadMagic> SYSLOGD_PARAMS="" 14:48 < BadMagic> ## Type: string 14:48 < BadMagic> ## Default: -2 14:48 < BadMagic> # 14:48 < BadMagic> # if not empty: parameters for klogd 14:48 < BadMagic> # for example KLOGD_PARAMS="-2" for clean oops lines 14:48 < BadMagic> # 14:48 < BadMagic> KLOGD_PARAMS="-2" 14:48 < BadMagic> ## Type: list(syslogd,syslog-ng) 14:48 < BadMagic> ## Default: syslogd 14:48 < BadMagic> # 14:48 < BadMagic> # The name of the syslog daemon used as 14:48 < BadMagic> # syslog service: "syslogd", "syslog-ng" 14:48 < BadMagic> # 14:48 < BadMagic> SYSLOG_DAEMON="syslogd" 14:48 < BadMagic> ## Type: string 14:48 <@mistik1> rh9 ? 14:48 < BadMagic> ## Default: "/var/lib/dhcp/dev/log" 14:48 < BadMagic> # 14:48 < BadMagic> # The filename mentioned here will be added with the "-a ..." option as 14:48 < BadMagic> # additional socket via SYSLOGD_PARAMS when syslogd is started. 14:48 < BadMagic> # 14:48 < BadMagic> # This additional socket is needed in case that syslogd is restarted. Otherwise 14:48 < BadMagic> # a chrooted dhcpd won't be able to continue logging. 14:48 < BadMagic> # 14:48 < BadMagic> SYSLOGD_ADDITIONAL_SOCKET_DHCP="/var/lib/dhcp/dev/log" 14:48 < BadMagic> SuSE 8.2 14:49 <@mistik1> *sigh* 14:49 <@mistik1> SYSLOGD_PARAMS="-r" 14:49 <@mistik1> restart the syslog service 14:52 < BadMagic> don 14:56 < BadMagic> I've copied thet startx script, how do I get X to start without xdm? 14:58 <@mistik1> you need to edit that file 14:58 <@mistik1> at the buttom you will see 14:58 <@mistik1> if [ -w /proc/progress ]; then 14:58 <@mistik1> /usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${ACC_CTRL} \ 14:58 <@mistik1> -query ${XDM_SERVER} \ 14:58 <@mistik1> -xf86config ${XFCFG} \ 14:58 <@mistik1> vt${TTY} >/dev/tty3 2>&1 14:58 <@mistik1> else 14:58 <@mistik1> /usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${ACC_CTRL} \ 14:58 <@mistik1> -query ${XDM_SERVER} \ 14:58 < BadMagic> yep 14:58 <@mistik1> -xf86config ${XFCFG} \ 14:58 <@mistik1> vt${TTY} 14:58 <@mistik1> fi 14:58 <@mistik1> note the -query ${XDM_SERVER} 14:59 <@mistik1> you need to remove that 14:59 <@mistik1> just rip that line out both places 14:59 < BadMagic> yes, that is on the line above in my file... 14:59 < BadMagic> if [ "${XF_ARGS}" = "" ]; then 14:59 < BadMagic> XF_ARGS="-query ${XDM_SERVER}" 14:59 < BadMagic> fi 14:59 < BadMagic> if [ -w /proc/progress ]; then 14:59 < BadMagic> /usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${ACC_CTRL} \ 14:59 < BadMagic> ${XF_ARGS} \ 14:59 < BadMagic> -xf86config ${XFCFG} \ 14:59 < BadMagic> vt${TTY} >/dev/tty3 2>&1 14:59 < BadMagic> else 14:59 < BadMagic> /usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${ACC_CTRL} \ 14:59 < BadMagic> ${XF_ARGS} \ 14:59 < BadMagic> -xf86config ${XFCFG} \ 14:59 < BadMagic> vt${TTY} 14:59 < BadMagic> fi 15:00 < BadMagic> now reads 15:00 < BadMagic> #if [ "${XF_ARGS}" = "" ]; then 15:00 < BadMagic> # XF_ARGS="-query ${XDM_SERVER}" 15:00 < BadMagic> #fi 15:00 <@mistik1> ok 15:00 < BadMagic> if [ -w /proc/progress ]; then 15:00 < BadMagic> /usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${ACC_CTRL} \ 15:00 < BadMagic> ${XF_ARGS} \ 15:00 < BadMagic> -xf86config ${XFCFG} \ 15:00 < BadMagic> vt${TTY} >/dev/tty3 2>&1 15:00 < BadMagic> else 15:00 < BadMagic> /usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${ACC_CTRL} \ 15:00 < BadMagic> ${XF_ARGS} \ 15:00 < BadMagic> -xf86config ${XFCFG} \ 15:00 < BadMagic> vt${TTY} 15:00 < BadMagic> fi 15:00 < BadMagic> where do I tell the sever whta to run? 15:00 < BadMagic> some xinitrc file? 15:01 <@mistik1> you could start your app right after X starts 15:01 < BadMagic> how? from a runlevel? 15:01 < BadMagic> at the end of the startx file? 15:01 <@mistik1> remember this file IS supposed to start your apps 15:02 <@mistik1> it just happens to start X up too first 15:02 < BadMagic> k, try that 15:02 <@mistik1> we are not dealing with startx anymore :) 15:02 < BadMagic> right 15:02 <@mistik1> call it what it is so we dont cause confusion 15:04 < BadMagic> where would I find the logged output, I don't see my app 15:04 < BadMagic> my exe = /opt/ltsp/etc/screen.d/myapp 15:04 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 15:04 < BadMagic> how to addres with full path from the startstation script 15:04 < BadMagic> /etc/screen.d/myapp? 15:05 <@mistik1> yes 15:06 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-117-147-206.charterwv.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 15:06 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-148.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 15:07 < BadMagic> where can I check for messages / errors / and the like, I'm not seeing my app 15:09 <@mistik1> if it uses syslog it will be in the servers log 15:11 < BadMagic> hmm, i see some authentication mount request in the var/log/messages... but not the app 15:11 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.134] has quit ["brb, router upgrade"] 15:11 <@jammcq> BadMagic: did you write the app ? 15:11 < BadMagic> jammcq: yes 15:11 < BadMagic> jammcq: and even compiled 15:12 <@jammcq> put some printf's in it, to display what's happening 15:12 < BadMagic> I don't know that it is even loading 15:12 < BadMagic> all it does is show a form 15:12 < BadMagic> 10 lines code total... 15:12 <@jammcq> well, a printf at the beginning of main() would prove that 15:12 <@jammcq> what language ? 15:13 <@mistik1> c++ proly 15:13 <@mistik1> BadMagic: you did mention qt right? 15:14 <@mistik1> jammcq: looks like BadMagic just volenteered to write that new DM for us :) 15:14 < BadMagic> QT is C++ 15:14 < BadMagic> I am volunterring 15:14 <@jammcq> mistik1: can't put commands after the starting of X in the startx script 15:14 < BadMagic> what is DM 15:14 <@jammcq> display mgr 15:14 < BadMagic> kde = qt 15:14 <@mistik1> jammcq: really? 15:14 <@mistik1> hmm 15:15 <@jammcq> yeah, XFree86 runs and doesn't return to the script until you exit from X 15:15 <@mistik1> I really must get up on this new stuff 15:15 <@mistik1> ahhh 15:15 <@jammcq> the thing to do is NOT run XFree86 directly, but run xinit which will run the APP and the XFree86 binary 15:15 < BadMagic> jammcq: is there an xinitrc ? 15:15 <@jammcq> BadMagic: could be, but you shouldn't need it 15:15 < BadMagic> k, I'm all ears 15:15 <@jammcq> on the xinit command line, you can name your app and your xserver 15:15 <@mistik1> jammcq: what's the best way currently 15:16 <@jammcq> xinit 15:16 <@jammcq> he needs to steal an xinit from his host tho 15:16 <@jammcq> we don't yet supply it 15:16 <@jammcq> I tried building XFree86 will all the stuff turned on, but it fails due to a missing libpng 15:16 <@mistik1> libpng is extreemly easy to add bro 15:16 <@jammcq> yeah, just haven't done it yet 15:17 <@mistik1> ok 15:17 <@jammcq> been trying to keep customers happy 15:17 < BadMagic> libmng = not so easy 15:17 <@mistik1> I can send you my zlib package.def 15:17 <@jammcq> email it to me 15:17 <@mistik1> png will need zlib 15:17 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:17 <@mistik1> ok 15:17 < BadMagic> where should I copy xinit to? 15:18 <@jammcq> I see the 2.4.22 kernel has been released. I figure about 30 seconds and someone will be wondering when we'll have it ready for ltsp :) 15:18 <@jammcq> BadMagic: put it in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/bin 15:18 <@mistik1> jammcq: lol 15:18 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 15:18 < BadMagic> do you have the 2.4.22 kernel ready for ltsp? 15:18 <@jammcq> umm, nope 15:18 < BadMagic> was that 30 seconds? hehehe 15:19 < BadMagic> jamcq: have xinit 15:19 < BadMagic> have kwrite will script 15:19 < BadMagic> I've never use xinit directly before, on the kiosk I just replace everything in my xinitrc with only my app 15:20 <@jammcq> BadMagic: ok, in the startx script, instead of launching XFree86, you need something like this: 15:20 -!- Lumiere [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Connection timed out] 15:20 <@jammcq> /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit 'path_to_your_app' /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 15:21 < BadMagic> ok team, we're going in..... 15:21 <@jammcq> an easier way might be to just setup the workstation to run a shell 15:21 <@jammcq> then, type that command as I showed it, to see if X launches 15:22 <@jammcq> SCREEN_01 = shell 15:22 <@jammcq> then type the xinit command 15:22 < BadMagic> k, had the script done, letting it fire 15:22 <@jammcq> k 15:22 < BadMagic> didn't work 15:22 <@jammcq> ok, switch to SCREEN_01 = shell 15:22 < BadMagic> mistik1: still get the can't write 15:22 < BadMagic> to syslog 15:23 < BadMagic> changing to sheell 15:23 < BadMagic> shell 15:23 <@jammcq> ah, you need to fix your syslogd on your server 15:23 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD951ED90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://geneticnova.ath.cx/"] 15:23 <@jammcq> find the script that starts syslogd, and add a '-r' to the syslogd command line, then restart syslogd 15:23 < BadMagic> that is what mistik1 had me do.. 15:24 < BadMagic> brb 15:24 <@mistik1> did you reboot the WS after? 15:24 <@jammcq> ok, do this on the server: netstat -anp | grep ":514 " 15:24 <@mistik1> jammcq: sent 15:25 <@mistik1> I just made a tarball you can extract in LBEDIR 15:25 <@mistik1> it will make the zlib dirs in both lbe-src and ltsp-src 15:25 <@jammcq> tanks 15:25 <@mistik1> np 15:28 <@mistik1> I should go ahead and make a png too 15:28 <@jammcq> ooh, that would be sweet :) 15:28 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-148.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 15:28 <@mistik1> ok, i'm on it 15:28 <@mistik1> I guess we only need that in lbe-src to link against though 15:28 <@mistik1> hmm 15:28 <@mistik1> no 15:29 <@mistik1> we'll need both *unless* you can get whatever X needs it for to link staticly against it 15:29 <@jammcq> heh, forget linking X stuff statically 15:29 <@mistik1> ok 15:30 <@mistik1> we'll have a ltsp_libpng package then 15:30 < BadMagic> back 15:30 < BadMagic> netstating 15:31 < BadMagic> nothing 15:31 <@mistik1> whoa 15:31 -!- m3thod__ [~m3thod@alton.il24.207.152.168.charter-stl.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:32 -!- m3thod__ [~m3thod@alton.il24.207.152.168.charter-stl.com] has joined #ltsp 15:34 -!- project9___ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 15:37 < BadMagic> jammcq: I did the netstat and the command line didn't return anything 15:38 < BadMagic> mistik1: holy sh! the sound does work, had the volume all the way up, and mistyped something and got the console beep. Scared the BLEEP out of me! 15:40 < BadMagic> jammcq: on the xinit, gettign line 5: awk: command not found 15:42 < BadMagic> copied awk, now getting line 16: xinit4 No such file or directory 15:43 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD951ED90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:47 < BadMagic> copied xinit4 and now says now server "X" 15:47 < BadMagic> brb, running next door. 15:50 -!- ranger [~ranger@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has joined #ltsp 15:51 < ranger> is there a way to tell if a kernel is just a kernel or a kernel + initrd appended 15:51 -!- slidesinger [~jtatum@pcp03291665pcs.arnysm01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["Download Gaim [http://gaim.sourceforge.net/]"] 15:57 <@jammcq> heh 15:57 <@jammcq> hey ranger 15:57 <@jammcq> ranger: have you seen Irwin lately ? 15:57 < ranger> hey jammcq 15:57 < ranger> i saw him just before LW 15:58 <@jammcq> but not since ? 15:58 < ranger> nope, whats up? 15:58 <@jammcq> ah, just wondering 15:58 <@jammcq> I handed him something to give to you 15:58 < ranger> oh, I need to hunt him down then! 15:58 <@jammcq> :) 15:59 < ranger> we talked for 30 mins before he left for LW about cell phones 15:59 < ranger> jammcq, ever seen an initrd appended to a kernel before? 15:59 <@jammcq> yeah, I do that all the time 15:59 < ranger> is there a way to tell if a kernel has an initrd appended to it? 15:59 <@jammcq> actually, I use mknbi to do it for me, but I think that you can just cat them together 16:00 <@jammcq> did you using mknbi or cat ? 16:00 < ranger> we use addramdisk in ppc land 16:00 <@jammcq> hmm, dunno 16:00 <@jammcq> how big is the image ? 16:01 < ranger> well, this is more of a philosophical question; if i have a kernel, is it just a kernel or kernel-initrd 16:01 < ranger> and is there a command or signal to know? 16:01 <@jammcq> not that I'm aware of 16:01 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.134] has joined #ltsp 16:01 < ranger> crapola 16:04 <@mistik1> jammcq: sent 16:04 < ranger> hi mistik1 16:04 <@mistik1> zlib then libpng 16:04 <@mistik1> hey ranger 16:05 -!- Enderson [~kjaasd@200.199.55.42] has joined #ltsp 16:06 <@mistik1> jammcq: when a package is getting built in LBE CWD is the extracted paackage dir we exec ./configure and such in correct 16:06 <@mistik1> ie: libpng-1.2.5 16:07 <@mistik1> I need to know as libpng has no configure 16:07 <@mistik1> its just a cp scripts/makefile.linux makefile 16:07 <@mistik1> then make 16:07 <@jammcq> the current directory would be whatever you set BUILDDIR to 16:08 <@jammcq> if you don't have a BUILDDIR, I think it defaults to SOURCEDIR 16:08 <@mistik1> ok 16:08 <@mistik1> have at it then 16:08 <@mistik1> they're in your inbox 16:09 <@mistik1> jammcq: hehe, LBE is like the old double edged sword :) 16:10 <@mistik1> if we're not carefull we end up maintaining a full linux distro 16:10 <@jammcq> that's zackly what we have here 16:11 <@mistik1> heh 16:15 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.134] has quit ["sleepy time?"] 16:15 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #ltsp 16:18 < BadMagic> jammcq: do I need to make an X symlink? 16:18 <@jammcq> shouldn't need to, if you name the Xserver on the end of the cmd line 16:18 < BadMagic> I am and it is complaining 16:18 <@jammcq> well then 16:19 <@jammcq> try the symlink approach 16:19 < BadMagic> hmmm 16:20 < BadMagic> I guess there is a symlink 16:20 < BadMagic> /usr/X11R6/bin on jammin has X Sfree86 xinit & xinit4 16:20 < BadMagic> if I type ./xinit X 16:21 < BadMagic> says cannot execute binary file 16:21 < BadMagic> if I type ./xinit XFree86 says 16:21 <@jammcq> hmm 16:21 < BadMagic> giving up. 16:21 <@jammcq> you or xinit ? 16:21 < BadMagic> /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit4: No such file or direcotry (erno 2): UNABLE TO CONNTECT TO x SERVER 16:22 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:22 < BadMagic> /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit4: No such process (errno 3): Server error. 16:22 <@jammcq> hmm 16:23 <@mistik1> indeed 16:23 < BadMagic> and that one starts with X: X: cannot execute binary file 16:23 < BadMagic> also 16:27 < BadMagic> if I type ./xinit without any params, same thing 16:28 <@jammcq> ok, did you make the symlink ? 16:28 < BadMagic> there was one already there appearently 16:29 <@jammcq> ooh yeah, there is a symlink there 16:29 < BadMagic> and I am still getting the cannot write to remote file handle onip.address:514 16:29 <@jammcq> I guess 'make install' takes care of that 16:29 <@jammcq> did you restart syslogd on the server ? 16:29 < BadMagic> you want me to type make install? 16:30 <@jammcq> no 16:30 <@jammcq> when I did the make install when building X, it took care of that symlink 16:30 < BadMagic> ahh 16:31 < BadMagic> ready for a trip to MT? 16:31 <@jammcq> heh 16:31 < BadMagic> 16:31 < BadMagic> if you don't use xinit, how do you start x normally? 16:31 <@jammcq> well, on the thin client, type this: strace 16:31 < BadMagic> k 16:31 <@jammcq> did it find the binary ? 16:32 < BadMagic> just strace alone ? 16:32 <@jammcq> or complain that command not found 16:32 <@jammcq> yeah 16:32 <@jammcq> just to see if you have it 16:32 < BadMagic> it finds and give options 16:32 <@jammcq> it's part of the ltsp_debug package 16:32 <@jammcq> ok 16:32 < BadMagic> yep 16:32 <@jammcq> what is the name of your app ? 16:32 < BadMagic> cstation 16:32 <@jammcq> where is it ? 16:32 < BadMagic> /usr/local/cstation 16:33 < BadMagic> /usr/local/cstation/cstation 16:33 <@jammcq> and right now, if you type: /usr/local/cstation/cstation, what happens ? 16:33 <@jammcq> prolly an Xlib error 16:34 < BadMagic> I lied/ it is /usr/cstation/cstation 16:34 < BadMagic> and it says 16:34 <@jammcq> ok, so type that 16:34 < BadMagic> cstation: cannot connect to X sergver 16:34 <@jammcq> ok good 16:34 <@jammcq> cuz there is no Xserver running 16:34 < BadMagic> right 16:35 <@jammcq> ok, now type this: /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit /usr/cstation/cstation 16:35 -!- ranger [~ranger@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:36 < BadMagic> \xinit4: No such file or directory (errno 2): no Server "X" in Path 16:36 < BadMagic> ATH 16:36 <@jammcq> ok 16:36 <@jammcq> now, I see something I missed earlier. we need a '--' in the command line. type this: 16:36 <@jammcq> /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit /usr/cstation/cstation -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 :0 16:36 <@jammcq> that's 1 line 16:36 < BadMagic> says usr the -- option, or make sure that /usr/X11r7 bin is in hyour path and that X is a program or a link to the right type of srver for yourdisplay. Possible server names include?: 16:36 < BadMagic> ... 16:37 < BadMagic> quantity over quality when it comes to typeing 16:37 <@jammcq> sure 16:37 < BadMagic> than says giving uyp 16:37 < BadMagic> then the no such file errno 2 and no such process errno 3 16:38 <@jammcq> did you try the latest example that I just typed ? 16:38 <@jammcq> /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit /usr/cstation/cstation -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 :0 16:38 < BadMagic> nope didnt' see it 16:38 < BadMagic> trying... 16:38 <@jammcq> ok, try that 16:38 <@jammcq> :) 16:39 < BadMagic> we are getting closer, ] 16:39 < BadMagic> no screens found that time 16:39 <@jammcq> hmm 16:39 < BadMagic> need and XF86Config? 16:39 <@jammcq> yeah 16:39 <@jammcq> hmm 16:39 <@jammcq> do you have anything in /tmp ? 16:40 < BadMagic> compiled, hosts.equiv, lost*found mtab, syslog.conf, hostst, ioctl.save, mnt, resolv.conf, var 16:40 <@jammcq> ok 16:41 <@jammcq> ok, type this on the client: /etc/build_x4_cfg geode >/tmp/XF86Config 16:41 <@jammcq> we'll build you a config file :) 16:41 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit ["cya"] 16:41 < BadMagic> cool! it's there 16:42 <@jammcq> ok, now this: 16:42 <@jammcq> /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit /usr/cstation/cstation -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 :0 -xf86config /tmp/XF86Config 16:43 < BadMagic> k 16:44 < BadMagic> didn't work 16:44 < BadMagic> last lines = 16:44 < BadMagic> using cofnig file /tmp/XF86Config 16:45 < BadMagic> Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb' 16:45 <@jammcq> ugh 16:45 <@jammcq> ok 16:45 < BadMagic> (EE) No devices detected. 16:45 < BadMagic> Fatal server error: 16:45 < BadMagic> no screens found 16:45 <@jammcq> oh 16:45 <@jammcq> my mistake 16:45 <@jammcq> I was thinking you were on a Jammin-125 but you are using a jammin-150 16:45 <@jammcq> ok, then do this: 16:45 < BadMagic> yep 16:45 <@jammcq> ok, type this on the client: /etc/build_x4_cfg sis >/tmp/XF86Config 16:46 < BadMagic> hehhe 16:46 <@jammcq> then: 16:46 <@jammcq> /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit /usr/cstation/cstation -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 :0 -xf86config /tmp/XF86Config 16:46 < BadMagic> same couoldn't open rgb 16:47 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:47 <@jammcq> hmm, gotta figure out where rgb comes from 16:48 <@jammcq> was it rgb or rgb.txt ? 16:48 < BadMagic> I have to go to the store to buy some powered speakers to steal the amp out of them for the casino stations 16:48 <@jammcq> :) 16:48 < BadMagic> /usr/X11R6/lib/rgb 16:48 <@jammcq> i'll be around later if you are 16:48 -!- HiltonT [~HiltonT@dsl-43.131.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 16:49 < BadMagic> I'm stuck, but I think you have an exact idea what I want to do. 16:49 < BadMagic> what do you think the rgb thing is? 16:49 <@jammcq> yeah, you re very close 16:50 -!- Enderson [~kjaasd@200.199.55.42] has left #ltsp [] 16:50 <@jammcq> well, rgb.txt is a color mapping file for mapping color names to numeric values 16:50 <@jammcq> I dunno what rgb itself is 16:50 < BadMagic> hmmm 16:50 < BadMagic> should I try getting to work like before with xdm and XF86 file? 16:51 <@jammcq> no 16:51 <@jammcq> you are VERY close 16:51 < BadMagic> let you think about it a little? 16:51 <@jammcq> try stealing a copy of rgb.txt from your server 16:51 <@jammcq> it's just a text file 16:51 < BadMagic> and put it where? 16:51 < BadMagic> (heard that one before) 16:52 <@jammcq> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11 16:52 <@jammcq> it should be in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt 16:52 <@jammcq> if you had a decent distro, i'd have you run 'locate rgb.txt' :) 16:52 -!- project9___ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:53 < BadMagic> I can install locate if it you make you like SuSE better.... :) 16:53 <@jammcq> heh 16:53 <@jammcq> i'd rather just complain about it :) 16:53 < BadMagic> lol 16:53 < BadMagic> copied 16:53 <@jammcq> I wonder why locate isn't there already, it is very useful 16:54 < BadMagic> it has been in the past, I've used it. your right, it is usefull 16:54 < BadMagic> different error now 16:54 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 16:54 < BadMagic> just plain old says, 16:54 < BadMagic> (EE) No devices detected. 16:54 < BadMagic> then the ave 16:55 < BadMagic> Fatal server error: 16:55 < BadMagic> no screens found 16:55 <@jammcq> ok 16:55 <@jammcq> maybe we are using the wrong x driver 16:55 < BadMagic> hmmm 16:55 <@jammcq> oh, do this: 16:55 < BadMagic> brb 16:56 <@jammcq> do this: /sbin/pci_scan /etc/vidlist 16:56 <@jammcq> that will tell us which xserver you should be using 16:59 < BadMagic> k 16:59 < BadMagic> trident 17:00 < BadMagic> doesnt x4 auto detect? 17:01 < BadMagic> or is that ltsp that auto detects 17:02 <@jammcq> ltsp auto detects 17:02 <@jammcq> ah, trident 17:02 <@jammcq> ok, hang on 17:02 <@jammcq> ok, type this on the client: /etc/build_x4_cfg trident >/tmp/XF86Config 17:02 <@jammcq> that will build the trident config file 17:02 <@jammcq> then: 17:03 <@jammcq> /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit /usr/cstation/cstation -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 :0 -xf86config /tmp/XF86Config 17:03 <@jammcq> are you getting tired of typing ? 17:03 < BadMagic> IT WORKED IT WORKED IT WORKED~!!!!!!!] 17:03 <@jammcq> bwahahahahahahaha 17:03 < BadMagic> I never get tired of ctrl P 17:04 < BadMagic> how do I save the XF86Config somewhere I can modify 17:04 <@jammcq> yeah, lucky thing I included shell editing when I configure bash for LTSP :) 17:04 < BadMagic> didn't get my params in the lts.conf file 17:04 < BadMagic> you da man! 17:04 < BadMagic> I'd never be this far without ya 17:05 <@jammcq> ok, you want to save that config file ? 17:05 < BadMagic> yes 17:05 <@jammcq> you'll need to mount a file system read-write 17:05 < BadMagic> so I can change the resolution / scan rate 17:05 <@jammcq> the nfs-swap filesystem is a good one 17:05 -!- waap [~zxcvbnm@217.131.92.47] has joined #ltsp 17:06 < BadMagic> I have to run, will you /msg me the instructions so I can do tonight / tomorrow? 17:06 <@jammcq> yeah 17:06 <@jammcq> just turn on nfs-swap 17:06 < BadMagic> that and how to boot to my app 17:06 < BadMagic> how 17:06 <@jammcq> then you can write to that swap share 17:06 <@jammcq> I'll show you what you need to put in your clone of startx 17:06 <@jammcq> are you gonna be around tonight ? 17:07 <@jammcq> what's yer email addr ? 17:07 < BadMagic> I'll be back in a while 17:07 < BadMagic> not sure about tonight 17:07 < BadMagic> acsguy@wtp.net 17:07 < BadMagic> or brad@summitgaming.com 17:07 <@jammcq> k 17:07 < BadMagic> fantastik! 17:07 * BadMagic is getting VERY excited! 17:07 <@jammcq> me too:) 17:07 * BadMagic walked out of the room 17:14 <@jammcq> mistik1: hey bro, you here ? 17:14 <@jammcq> :q 17:14 <@jammcq> oops :) 17:16 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.36.26] has joined #ltsp 17:20 < robbie> mornings 17:23 <@jammcq> yo robbie dobbie 17:27 < robbie> moo 17:28 < jc227> ok - now I'm getting "mounting /devfs on /dev failed: No such device" 17:32 < robbie> he 17:36 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.92.100.242] has joined #ltsp 17:43 < BadMagic> jammcq: got your email 17:43 < BadMagic> looks straight forward enough 17:44 < BadMagic> will that make the XF86Config file on the fly also? 17:48 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.36.26] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 17:49 <@jammcq> BadMagic: yeah, it does create the XF86Config file for you 17:49 < BadMagic> k, not finding or something wrong goes past the screen too fase 17:49 < BadMagic> fast 17:50 < BadMagic> still can't write syslog 17:50 <@jammcq> ok, in your start_cstation script, at the bottom, add something like: read CMD 17:50 <@jammcq> and it will stop, and wait for the Enter key 17:51 < BadMagic> good little trick to know 17:51 < carlos-da-man> is the SMC wireless router any good? 17:51 < carlos-da-man> hi all ;) 17:51 < BadMagic> hmm saw it say something about generating 17:52 < BadMagic> but then on the screnn now says, unableto locatie open config file 17:52 <@jammcq> carlos-da-man: sorry, dunno about smc wireless router 17:52 < BadMagic> where does it get created? 17:52 <@jammcq> oh, sorry, we need to make a slight modification to the script 17:53 * mistik1 back 17:53 <@jammcq> hang on a sec 17:53 < BadMagic> np 17:53 < BadMagic> tried adding -xf86config /tmp/XF86Config and it did look for it there but not there... 17:55 <@jammcq> BadMagic: you need this: 17:55 <@jammcq> /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 :0 \ 17:55 <@jammcq> -xf86config ${XFCFG} 17:55 <@jammcq> notice the ${XFCFG} 17:56 <@jammcq> instead of the hardcoded /tmp/XF86Config 17:56 < BadMagic> booting 17:57 < BadMagic> hmm 17:57 < BadMagic> says using tmp/XF86Congig.1 17:57 < BadMagic> cant find 17:57 <@jammcq> gig or fig ? 17:58 < BadMagic> can't load .kb keymap falling back to pre-xkb 17:58 < BadMagic> wait 17:58 < BadMagic> could it be my mistake? 17:58 <@jammcq> prolly 17:58 <@jammcq> don't worry about the xkb message 17:58 < BadMagic> lol 17:58 < BadMagic> think it was... 17:58 < BadMagic> booting 17:59 < BadMagic> god damned thing worked! 17:59 <@jammcq> bwahahahahahahahaha 17:59 <@mistik1> sounds like you guys are making progress 17:59 < BadMagic> except the fonts on my form 17:59 <@jammcq> mwahahahaha 17:59 < BadMagic> shitya 17:59 < BadMagic> @! 17:59 <@jammcq> yeah, fonts prolly suck 17:59 < BadMagic> need to jet again.... 17:59 <@jammcq> heh 17:59 <@jammcq> busy dude 17:59 < BadMagic> tomorrow! 18:00 <@jammcq> i'll be here 18:00 <@mistik1> okie dokie 18:00 * BadMagic skips out of the office he is so happy! 18:00 <@mistik1> hahaha 18:01 <@jammcq> mistik1: hey, had trouble building libpng in lbe on my 7.2 box 18:02 -!- m3thod__ [~m3thod@alton.il24.207.152.168.charter-stl.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:02 <@mistik1> oh? 18:02 <@mistik1> what was the trouble? 18:02 <@jammcq> lemme get to it again 18:04 <@mistik1> ld 18:04 <@mistik1> shit 18:04 <@jammcq> gcc -o pngtest -march=i386 pngtest.o -L. -Wl,-rpath,. -L/usr/local/projects/lbe/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/projects/lbe/lib -lpng12 -lz -lm 18:04 <@jammcq> /lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `_dl_lazy@GLIBC_2.1.1' 18:04 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:07 <@mistik1> looking into it jim 18:08 <@jammcq> me too 18:08 <@jammcq> I tried adding LDFLAGS="-static" but still no go 18:08 <@mistik1> ok 18:08 <@mistik1> why do you think it would be linking against itself right there 18:08 <@mistik1> or is it? 18:09 <@jammcq> yeah, it's building a tool that it uses 18:09 <@mistik1> note the -long12 18:09 <@mistik1> ahh 18:09 <@mistik1> err 18:09 <@mistik1> -lpng12 even 18:09 <@jammcq> ah, -j ${CPUS} is causing some trouble 18:09 <@jammcq> there are a few things (like bash) that you can't build with multiple cpus 18:09 <@mistik1> some apps dont like that 18:10 <@mistik1> *nod* 18:10 <@jammcq> I set -j 1 and it fails, but differently 18:10 <@jammcq> gcc -march=i386 -c -o pngtest.o pngtest.c 18:10 <@jammcq> gcc -o pngtest -march=i386 pngtest.o -static 18:10 <@jammcq> pngtest.o: In function `png_debug_malloc': 18:10 <@jammcq> pngtest.o(.text+0x31d): undefined reference to `png_malloc_default' 18:10 <@jammcq> pngtest.o(.text+0x368): undefined reference to `png_malloc_default' 18:12 <@jammcq> one thing is it is building pngtest, then it is gonna try to run it 18:12 <@jammcq> but, we should be able to get it 18:12 <@mistik1> wtf, this is a puny lib 18:12 <@jammcq> we might just disable the testing 18:12 <@mistik1> yea 18:12 <@jammcq> wouldn't be the first time I did that :) 18:14 <@mistik1> hmm 18:18 <@mistik1> I'm really not seeing why this should be a problem inside of lbe 18:18 <@jammcq> it's a couple different things happening 18:18 <@mistik1> I see one 18:19 <@jammcq> 1) we need to have '-static' for lbe stuff 18:20 <@mistik1> are you talking generally or this package? 18:21 <@jammcq> lbe 18:21 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:21 <@mistik1> jammcq: I need to come spend a summer with you one year 18:21 <@jammcq> because we are building it in one environment (rh7.2) and executing it in a different environment 18:21 <@jammcq> i've got a room bro 18:21 <@mistik1> and have you pour some C into my brain 18:22 <@jammcq> we build in one environment and execute in another environment 18:22 <@jammcq> that's why -static is useful to us 18:22 <@mistik1> I see 18:22 <@jammcq> BUT, for some packages that try to execute something that is part of the package during the build, we have problems 18:22 <@jammcq> like pngtest 18:22 <@mistik1> and X 18:22 <@jammcq> YES 18:22 <@jammcq> ok 18:22 <@jammcq> here's part of the issue 18:23 <@jammcq> I se LDFLAGS="-static" 18:23 <@jammcq> BUT, I didn't realize that the makefile already had a use for LDFLAGS 18:23 <@jammcq> so my -static overruled what they needed 18:23 <@jammcq> this is what they had it set to: -L. -Wl,-rpath,. -L$(ZLIBLIB) -Wl,-rpath,$(ZLIBLIB) -lpng12 -lz -lm 18:24 <@jammcq> so, when I set it to -static, I broke it 18:24 <@jammcq> now, i've set LDFLAGS="-L. -Wl,-rpath,. -L$(ZLIBLIB) -Wl,-rpath,$(ZLIBLIB) -lpng12 -lz -lm -static" 18:24 <@jammcq> and it gets further 18:24 <@jammcq> it compiled pngtest just fine, but it is failing to run it 18:24 < carlos-da-man> why not -lstpstatic to make sure it will never collide with whatever they use? 18:24 <@jammcq> err 18:24 <@jammcq> maybe it is failing to build 18:25 <@jammcq> carlos-da-man: heh, I wish it were that easy my friend 18:25 < carlos-da-man> ;) 18:25 <@jammcq> we'd have to patch gcc to understand it :) 18:25 <@jammcq> gcc is black magic 18:25 <@jammcq> i'm not going near it 18:26 < carlos-da-man> so I should still do 3 when mdk 9.2 is out? 18:26 <@jammcq> yeah 18:26 < carlos-da-man> ok 18:26 <@jammcq> when is that coming out ? 18:26 < carlos-da-man> the last beta came out last wekk 18:26 <@jammcq> those guys are moving too fast 18:26 < carlos-da-man> 2 more weeks tops 18:27 < carlos-da-man> I bet they have automated much of the process 18:30 < carlos-da-man> b back later, ciao 18:30 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.92.100.242] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 18:32 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 18:37 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip22-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 18:40 <@mistik1> jammcq: sorry someone was at the door 18:41 <@mistik1> another Q 18:41 <@mistik1> is pngtest needed? 18:42 <@jammcq> well, I don't think so 18:42 <@mistik1> hehe 18:43 <@jammcq> pngtest won't link statically, cuz libpng12 isn't being created as a static lib (.o), only a shared lib, (.so) 18:43 <@mistik1> dewd, I completely understand your last few months with this LBE 18:43 <@jammcq> I was gonna say that I'm proud of the way you've assimilated how it works 18:44 <@mistik1> thanks 18:44 <@jammcq> your package.def files have been great 18:44 <@mistik1> guess what 18:44 <@jammcq> robbie's got it figured out too, which is pretty cool 18:44 <@jammcq> what ? 18:44 <@mistik1> just built the ltsp-src copy 18:44 <@mistik1> flawless 18:44 <@jammcq> how ? 18:44 <@mistik1> well it chroots remember 18:45 <@mistik1> Loading old catalog.dat file... 18:45 <@mistik1> Finished with libpng 18:45 <@mistik1> ############################################################################### 18:45 <@mistik1> Build started: Mon Aug 25 19:45:45 2003 18:45 <@mistik1> Build ended: Mon Aug 25 19:47:45 2003 18:45 <@jammcq> yeah, I expect that to build 18:45 <@mistik1> Number of cpus: 1 18:45 <@mistik1> Elapsed time..: 2:00 18:45 <@mistik1> did the zlib build in both places for you? 18:45 <@jammcq> ah, i'm seeing the problem 18:45 <@jammcq> yeah, zlib was no problem 18:46 <@mistik1> ok 18:46 <@mistik1> enlighten me oh great one 18:46 <@jammcq> the makefile is building pngtest both statically and dynamically 18:46 <@jammcq> for dynamic, it links against libpng12.so 18:46 <@mistik1> yes 18:46 -!- hdaalz [hdaalz@public1-stok3-4-cust13.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 18:46 <@mistik1> I see that 18:46 <@jammcq> for static, it links against libpng.a 18:47 <@jammcq> so, in the CONFIGURE script for libpng, i'm gonna use sed to copy the makefile, instead of copy the way you did 18:47 <@mistik1> we can pretty much do as we like with that makefile and have it as a patch 18:47 <@jammcq> in my sed script, i'll strip out the test 18:47 <@jammcq> hmm, true 18:47 <@jammcq> would be easier than sed 18:48 <@mistik1> sure 18:48 <@mistik1> since there is no autoconf 18:49 <@mistik1> hey 18:49 <@jammcq> huh 18:49 <@mistik1> I finnally learn how to do surgical editing with perl 18:49 <@jammcq> :) 18:49 <@mistik1> learned 18:49 <@mistik1> perl -pi -e is awesome 18:50 <@mistik1> found out how to do it on lines with regex chars and all 18:50 <@mistik1> dont even really need to escape them if you're changing the whole line 18:54 <@jammcq> ok, whos' da man ? 18:54 <@mistik1> heh 18:54 <@mistik1> lets have it bro 18:55 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip22-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:55 <@jammcq> i'm cleaning it up a bit before I commit it 18:56 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip22-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 18:58 <@mistik1> ok 18:59 <@jammcq> alright, i've got zlib and libpng commited in lbe-src 18:59 <@jammcq> gonna go play with ltsp-src now 18:59 <@mistik1> ltsp-src should be fine as is 18:59 <@jammcq> should I need to take out the -j ? 19:00 <@mistik1> I didn't 19:00 <@jammcq> well, i did, and it's fine 19:00 <@jammcq> i'll put it back in 19:00 <@jammcq> do you have multiple cpus ? 19:00 <@mistik1> try it with it in for ltsp-src and let me know 19:00 <@mistik1> not on the build box 19:00 <@mistik1> hence my last comment 19:00 <@jammcq> seems fine 19:01 <@jammcq> I think it was only a problem when we were trying to build pngtest before the libs were finished building 19:01 <@mistik1> ok 19:01 <@mistik1> shall I update? 19:02 <@jammcq> gimme a sec, i'll commit ltsp-src 19:02 <@mistik1> k 19:03 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 19:04 <@jammcq> mistik1: ok, update. i'm gonna try building xfree86 now 19:04 <@mistik1> k 19:11 -!- cientista_irado [~jack_apen@200.203.127.61] has joined #ltsp 19:12 < cientista_irado> anybody speak in portuguese? 19:12 <@jammcq> hmm, where's out brazilian friends tonight ? 19:12 <@jammcq> they speak portuguese 19:12 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.36.158] has joined #ltsp 19:14 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 19:15 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.36.158] has quit [Client Quit] 19:17 < cientista_irado> they already ltsp with dialed line? 19:17 <@jammcq> huh ? 19:18 <@jammcq> ltsp over a dial modem ? 19:18 < cientista_irado> yes 19:18 <@jammcq> sorry, no. it does NOT work over a dial up modem 19:19 <@mistik1> jammcq: I did change one thing with the INSTALL line 19:19 <@mistik1> libpng honors DESTDIR 19:20 <@mistik1> so we dont need all that ZLIBINC stuff on the make install 19:20 <@mistik1> you can safely change that to "make prefix=/usr DESTDIR=${INSTALLDIR} install" 19:21 <@jammcq> I thought the ZLIBINC and ZLIBLIB was so that libpng could find the zlib stuff 19:21 <@mistik1> yes 19:21 <@mistik1> dont need it at install though 19:21 <@jammcq> doh 19:21 <@jammcq> makes sense 19:22 <@jammcq> you talking lbe-src or ltsp-src ? 19:22 <@mistik1> both actually 19:22 <@jammcq> ok 19:23 < cientista_irado> another, problem, if another dhcp server in network based in NT server wiht utility this server? 19:23 <@mistik1> it will install to the prefix under DESTDIR 19:24 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:24 <@jammcq> INSTALL = make prefix=${INSTALLDIR}/usr \ 19:24 <@jammcq> DESTDIR=${INSTALLDIR} install 19:24 <@jammcq> is that right ? 19:27 <@mistik1> no 19:27 <@mistik1> prefix=/usr 19:27 <@jammcq> ah 19:27 <@mistik1> it will install to DESTDIR/usr 19:27 <@jammcq> INSTALL = make prefix=/usr \ 19:27 <@jammcq> DESTDIR=${INSTALLDIR} install 19:27 <@mistik1> yup 19:27 <@jammcq> that's the lbe-src version 19:27 <@jammcq> INSTALL = make prefix=/usr DESTDIR=${INSTALLDIR} install 19:28 <@jammcq> one liner 19:28 <@jammcq> INSTALL = make prefix=/usr DESTDIR=${LTSP_ROOT} install 19:28 <@jammcq> that's the ltsp-src version 19:29 <@mistik1> looks cool 19:29 <@mistik1> I love packages that allow for a package maintainer to remain sane :) 19:29 <@jammcq> ok, committed 19:30 <@mistik1> something is up over here 19:30 <@jammcq> oh ? 19:30 <@mistik1> maybe I dont fully understand cvs 19:30 <@jammcq> ok 19:30 <@jammcq> what's up ? 19:30 <@jammcq> let the cvs master help you 19:30 <@mistik1> I had my files in the lbe when I updated it did not pull down what was on the cvs 19:31 <@mistik1> it told me my files were in the way 19:31 <@jammcq> yeah, they are 19:31 <@mistik1> I had to remove my first 19:31 <@mistik1> why is that 19:31 <@jammcq> the version of zlib and libpng you had wasn't in cvs 19:31 < cientista_irado> jammcq, ltsp to be used in sun sparc with Linux Aurora based in Redhat 7.2 now installed 19:31 <@mistik1> should it not overwrite tho 19:31 <@jammcq> hmm, dunno 19:31 <@mistik1> hmm 19:31 <@jammcq> cientista_irado: is the sparc the server ? 19:32 < cientista_irado> yes 19:32 <@jammcq> well, ltsp should work ok, but you'll have to install it manually 19:32 <@mistik1> why? 19:32 <@jammcq> why what ? 19:33 <@mistik1> its rh 7.2 and you are only using bash to do the install right? 19:33 <@mistik1> why would it need manual install 19:33 < cientista_irado> i can used rpm -tb xxxxxx.gz 19:33 <@jammcq> cientista_irado: hmm, it's worth a try 19:33 < cientista_irado> to create rpm for sparcÅ› 19:33 <@mistik1> um 19:33 <@mistik1> dont think that will work 19:33 <@jammcq> but, i'll bet that the /etc/redhat-release file contains something different 19:34 <@mistik1> then trick it 19:34 <@mistik1> i did that several times 19:34 <@jammcq> ok mistik1, you show him how :) 19:34 <@mistik1> hehe 19:34 <@mistik1> Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) 19:34 <@mistik1> put that in the /etc/redhat-release 19:34 <@mistik1> that's all 19:35 <@jammcq> i'd put 7.2 in there 19:35 < cientista_irado> ohhh, yes 19:35 < cientista_irado> i know this 19:36 < cientista_irado> i have six machines to make this 19:41 < cientista_irado> what it worries me the established lean clintes in intel 19:45 < cientista_irado> jammcq!I find that it goes to have an incompatibility between the server and the clients, or not? 19:50 <@mistik1> jammcq: I would need to do cvs add lbe-src/zlib to add it 19:50 <@mistik1> but I dont have commit yet so I donno how that would work 19:50 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:50 <@jammcq> mistik1: no, just remove those dirs, and do this: cvs update -d 19:50 <@mistik1> I did 19:51 <@mistik1> I was just going over the cvs manuals 19:51 <@jammcq> ok, what happened ? 19:51 <@mistik1> its all good 19:51 <@jammcq> well, if you did a cvs add and I did a cvs add, i'm not sure what would happen 19:51 < cientista_irado> jammcq!!! 19:52 <@jammcq> cientista_irado: sorry, I don't understand your question 19:52 < cientista_irado> I think so, that it goes to have an incompatibility between the server and the clients, or not? 19:53 <@mistik1> there will be none if the clients are x86 19:53 <@jammcq> incompatibility ? what kind of clients are you running ? 19:53 <@jammcq> ltsp is currently for x86 clients 19:53 <@jammcq> we don't care about the server, it can be anything 19:53 <@jammcq> but the clients are x86 19:53 < cientista_irado> yes all client are x86 19:53 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #ltsp 19:54 <@jammcq> cientista_irado: then you should be ok 19:57 < cientista_irado> my /ftpboot, it will only have rpm's to x86? 19:58 <@jammcq> no, your /opt/ltsp/i386 will have stuff for x86's 20:00 < cientista_irado> another, problem, if another dhcp server in network based in NT server wiht utility this server? 20:00 <@jammcq> it will cause a problem 20:00 < cientista_irado> why? 20:01 <@jammcq> becaus it will respond to dhcp requests 20:01 <@mistik1> I really think you'd be better off with the tgz than the rpms in this case 20:03 <@jammcq> mistik1: xfree86 still fails to compile :( 20:03 <@jammcq> gcc -m32 -o xcursorgen -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -fno-strict-aliasing -ansi -pedantic -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wundef -L../../exports/lib xcursorgen.o -lXcursor -lXext -lX11 -lpng -Wl,-rpath-link,../../exports/lib 20:03 <@jammcq> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/3.2.3/../../../libpng.so: undefined reference to `deflate' 20:04 <@jammcq> libpng.so is looking for deflate, which is prolly in zlib, but maybe it couldn't find zlib 20:04 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 20:04 <@mistik1> ldconfig -r mebbe 20:04 <@jammcq> hmm, shouldn't need that for building, only for running, but here we go ... 20:06 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 20:08 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 20:08 < cientista_irado> my dhcp server, not it could not be off, I will have that to use it to answer request 20:08 <@jammcq> cientista_irado: are you going to use the NT dhcp server for LTSP clients ? 20:09 < cientista_irado> yes, i think so 20:09 -!- lemon [~vincentin@dialup9.vcn.bc.ca] has joined #ltsp 20:09 <@jammcq> cientista_irado: there is a problem with setting 'root-path' on NT dhcp server 20:10 < lemon> my workstation boot very slow 20:10 < lemon> while loading the kernel image file 20:10 < lemon> what's wrong? 20:10 <@jammcq> how long does it take ? 20:11 < lemon> i see the dots(.), it streaming very slow. 10 minutes past, just show 7 dots 20:11 <@jammcq> mistik1: hey, when zlib builds, it is building only the static libs, not the shared libs 20:12 <@jammcq> lemon: does it ever finish ? 20:12 < cientista_irado> I do not have choice, mine dhcp server answers 1000 customers for more than w2k 20:12 < lemon> not 20:12 <@mistik1> jammcq: ahh 20:12 <@jammcq> ok, it's not that it's slow, it is that it simply isn't working 20:12 <@mistik1> that would explain alot 20:12 <@jammcq> lemon: do this: iptables -L 20:12 < brainless> jammcq: howdy 20:12 <@jammcq> hey brainless 20:13 <@jammcq> brainless: how do you like LA ? 20:13 < brainless> jammcq: its nice! bit expensive though 20:13 < lemon> you mean i may block the tftp by iptables? 20:13 <@jammcq> lemon: yeah, lets check that 20:14 < lemon> now i can not check it, the enviroment is in office 20:14 < lemon> except iptables, what might cause this problem? 20:14 <@jammcq> well, that's gonna make it really hard to fix it 20:14 <@jammcq> maybe tftpd isn't configured to run 20:15 < lemon> how i check if tftpd is runing? what port it use? 20:15 <@mistik1> jammcq: me == dumbdumb 20:15 <@jammcq> it uses port 69 20:15 <@jammcq> do this: netstat -anp | grep ":69 " 20:15 < brainless> mistik1: thats my nick..... ;) 20:15 < lemon> ok 20:16 <@mistik1> jammcq: please add --static to the ./configure line of zlib 20:16 <@jammcq> mistik1: why ? we don't want static for zlib, do we ? 20:16 < lemon> what else? is it something wrong with cable, switch? 20:16 <@jammcq> lemon: dunno 20:17 < lemon> ok, i will try 20:17 <@mistik1> ignore me 20:17 < lemon> thanks 20:17 <@mistik1> lemme finish my show so my mind is all here 20:17 < cientista_irado> jammcq, mistick1, thanks for all, good night 20:18 -!- lupo__ [lupo@pD9E68784.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:18 -!- lemon [~vincentin@dialup9.vcn.bc.ca] has left #ltsp [] 20:18 <@jammcq> mistik1: got it. had to add --static to the configure line 20:19 <@mistik1> what I meant to say was --shared 20:19 -!- cientista_irado [~jack_apen@200.203.127.61] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:19 < jond3rd> hello all 20:19 <@mistik1> my dislexic finger said differently 20:20 <@mistik1> hey jond3rd 20:20 <@jammcq> hey jond3rd 20:20 < brainless> jond3rd: w00t 20:20 < jond3rd> wow!! you're all alive :) 20:20 <@jammcq> heh 20:21 < jond3rd> I haven't seen sbalneave for a long time 20:21 <@jammcq> yeah, he dissappears for long periods of time 20:22 * jond3rd smells a long period of inactivity again :) 20:22 < jond3rd> brainless: hey! how's LA ? 20:23 -!- lupo_ [lupo@pD9542F34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 20:23 < brainless> jammcq: its nice!!!!! expensive though 20:23 <@jammcq> yeah 20:24 <@mistik1> jammcq: you added --static to X? 20:24 <@jammcq> no 20:24 < jond3rd> brainless: I'm the one who is asking :) 20:24 < brainless> jond3rd: its nice!!!!!!!! expensive though ;) 20:24 <@jammcq> with X, we really don't want static 20:24 <@jammcq> it's just too big and ugly for that 20:24 < brainless> geez u guys shud use innovative nicks ..... like brainless ;) 20:24 <@mistik1> jammcq: where did you add static then? 20:24 * brainless hides 20:24 <@jammcq> huh ? 20:24 <@jammcq> I added --shared for zlib 20:25 <@mistik1> hehe 20:25 < jond3rd> brainless: I can still see your brain :) 20:25 <@mistik1> jammcq: looks like you're as bad as me 20:25 <@jammcq> heh 20:25 <@mistik1> <@jammcq> mistik1: got it. had to add --static to the configure line 20:25 <@jammcq> yeah, looking back, I see that :) 20:26 < brainless> jond3rd: hehe 20:27 < jond3rd> brainless: maybe i should change my nick to SNU (SCO Not Unix) :) 20:27 < brainless> jond3rd: :) atleast u wont get s(co)ued ;) 20:28 < jond3rd> haha 20:31 < jond3rd> if you already have ltsp-4 and you want also to install ltsp-4 to a differnt machine, do you only need to copy the content /var/cache/ltsp ? 20:31 -!- Enderson [~knoppix@200.97.161.148] has joined #ltsp 20:34 <@jammcq> jond3rd: yeah 20:36 < jond3rd> jammcq: ok, I'll try this on my RH9 20:37 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 20:46 <@mistik1> jammcq: how goes the build 20:46 <@jammcq> i'm digging through xfree86 to get it working with libpng 20:46 <@mistik1> ok 20:46 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has quit [] 20:50 <@jammcq> mistik1: during the build of xfree86, it builds xcursorgen, which relies on libpng. the Link line has '-lpng', but it doesn't have '-lz', therefore, it fails with undefined symbols, such as 'deflate', 'inflate' and others 20:50 <@mistik1> ahh 20:51 -!- david_ [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 20:51 <@mistik1> but how is this resolved normally? 20:51 <@jammcq> dunno, that's what i'm trying to figure out 20:51 <@mistik1> hmm 20:51 <@mistik1> a preload maybe? 20:52 < david_> Hello, Jim. How's it going? 20:52 <@jammcq> ok, get this. if I go into lbe/usr/lib, and do: ldd libpng.so, it shows only libc.so.6 and ld-linux-so 20:52 * david_ is in Charlotte. 20:52 <@jammcq> BUT, if I look at libpng in my /usr/lib directory, it also shows libz and libm 20:52 <@jammcq> hey david_ 20:52 <@jammcq> libpng needs to be built with the understanding that it relies on libz 20:52 <@jammcq> and libm 20:53 * jammcq is gonna look at the source rpm for redhat's libpng to see how it's built 21:00 -!- Enderson [~knoppix@200.97.161.148] has left #ltsp [] 21:04 -!- david_ [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 21:08 -!- david_ [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 21:09 <@jammcq> mistik1: do you remember the rpm command for rebuilding a binary rpm from the source rpm ? 21:12 < david_> rpmbuild -bb 21:12 <@jammcq> rpm --rebuild 21:12 <@jammcq> on a RH7.3 machine 21:16 <@jammcq> this is a real puzzle 21:17 <@jammcq> ya know that ZLIBINC and ZLIBLIB ? that's only used for building the pngtest and pngtest-static routines 21:17 <@jammcq> not for building the lib 21:17 <@mistik1> wth 21:20 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-3-212-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 21:21 <@jammcq> i'm getting closer 21:21 < ldog> waddup jammcq 21:22 <@jammcq> hey ldog just busy building X for ltsp-4 21:22 < ldog> coolness 21:22 < david_> Anything we can do to help? 21:22 <@jammcq> hmm, just digging through an ugly makefile 21:23 <@jammcq> couple more minutes and I should have the answer 21:23 -!- jc227 [~jc@wl-reznet.csumb.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:23 < david_> Does anyone listening have much Samba experience? I've run into a weird problem. 21:29 < david_> I have a Windows 98 machine that has a space in the user name (eg, "Bill Smith"). 21:29 < david_> If I sign in as another user, Access won't work. 21:30 < david_> Samba doesn't seem to care for usernames with imbedded spaces. 21:30 < david_> These Windows machines are going away soon, but I'd really like to get printer sharing working in the interim. 21:30 < david_> Can anyone point me to anything that might help? 21:32 -!- arnelgp [~arnel@203.177.1.3] has joined #ltsp 21:32 < arnelgp> hi :) 21:32 < ldog> david_: why do they need spaces in the usernames? 21:33 < arnelgp> is it posible to set bash, bashrc only available to root access only? 21:33 < arnelgp> is there any scripts or program that need bash? 21:33 < david_> ldog: I didn't set them up that way. However, several programs on the machine only work if I'm signed in with this specific name. 21:33 < ldog> ooh, that sucks 21:34 < ldog> can't say i've run into that problem before 21:34 < arnelgp> i have some users who use this program and do nasty on my server... 21:34 < david_> arnelgp: What does limitting bash to root get you? sh is almost as capable, and the scripts require that. 21:35 < david_> arnelgp: I think you can use PAM to prevent them from running bash, but they can still run sh. 21:35 < arnelgp> david_: yes, is it possible to set for root access only? 21:36 < arnelgp> david_: i have some geek students who run scripts to ping server by itself.. or make the cpu busier til it restart by itself 21:37 < arnelgp> david_: can you give me any site to setup PAM? what is it? 21:37 < david_> arnelgp: I have two suggestions: 21:37 < david_> arnelgp: 1) Kick them out for a week. 21:38 < david_> arnelgp: 2) Meet with them, explain to them that shared resources need to be treated with respect, and ask them to help you. 21:39 < arnelgp> david_: yes.. thank you for that.. they are a big help problem is if they get mad at me they simply do this nasty things... specially if i will limit access ang permision to them 21:39 < david_> arnelgp: Another idea is to set their memory and CPU limits lower than everyone else; if they do that, their script will get killed. 21:40 < arnelgp> david_: how can i set cpu and memory limits? 21:40 < david_> arnelgp: more /usr/share/doc/pam-0.75/txts/README.pam_limits 21:40 < arnelgp> ok 21:43 < david_> arnelgp: Instead of getting into a contest with them (they have a lot more free time than you do), put them to work. Find a hard problem on your network and get them to solve it. A sample task might be to build a redundance DNS server. 21:43 < david_> jammcq: how's X coming/ 21:44 < arnelgp> david_: thanks.. :) 21:45 <@jammcq> going well. I think i've got it licked 21:47 <@jammcq> the makefile in libpng 1.2.5 is kinda broken 21:47 <@jammcq> doesn't include info about libz in the shared object 21:47 <@jammcq> but the makefile for libpng 1.0.12 seems fine 21:47 <@jammcq> I tooks some stuff from 1.0.12 and plugged it into 1.2.5, and it now links properly 21:47 <@jammcq> now i'm building X again 21:48 <@mistik1> sweet! 21:48 <@jammcq> well, we'll know in about 30 minutes 21:49 <@mistik1> takes that long to get to the part the needs libpng? 21:50 <@jammcq> sadly, yes 21:56 <@mistik1> eghad! 21:58 < david_> I think Jim's using a spare 486 for his compile ;-) 21:58 <@jammcq> dual P3-1ghz with 2gb of ram and --cpus=4 :) 21:58 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 22:00 -!- tcp [~js@h218n2fls35o1009.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:00 -!- tcp2 [~js@h218n2fls35o1009.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 22:09 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 22:09 -!- waap [~zxcvbnm@217.131.92.47] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 22:17 -!- arnelgp [~arnel@203.177.1.3] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 22:18 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 22:33 -!- tcp [~js@h218n2fls35o1009.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 22:40 < david_> Good night, guys. 22:40 -!- david_ [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 22:50 -!- tcp2 [~js@h218n2fls35o1009.telia.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:55 <@jammcq> woooohooooooo XFree86 compiles clean now :) 23:02 <@jammcq> mistik1: hey, i'm heading to bed. You can do a cvs update -d, and get the latest, and give it a try 23:02 <@mistik1> rockin 23:02 <@jammcq> yeah, just gonna build the whole mess on my p4, and see what happens 23:04 <@mistik1> jammcq: before you go 23:04 <@jammcq> ya 23:04 <@mistik1> can i pass multiple package when i do --only 23:04 <@mistik1> -o 23:04 <@jammcq> yeah 23:05 <@jammcq> comma separated 23:05 <@mistik1> comma? 23:05 <@mistik1> ok 23:05 <@jammcq> (i think) 23:05 <@mistik1> I tried without 23:05 <@mistik1> did not work 23:06 <@jammcq> at least I think I created that functionality :) 23:06 <@mistik1> yes you did 23:08 <@mistik1> patch -p1 <../makefile.patch 23:08 <@mistik1> The next patch would create the file scripts/makefile.ltsp, 23:08 <@mistik1> which already exists! Assume -R? [n] 23:08 <@mistik1> what's this? 23:08 <@jammcq> hmm 23:08 <@jammcq> that shouldn't exist yet 23:08 <@jammcq> unless you created it 23:09 <@mistik1> I did not 23:09 <@mistik1> heh 23:09 <@jammcq> ah, do this: ./build --only=libpng --clean 23:10 <@mistik1> that's wierd 23:10 <@mistik1> it works 23:10 <@mistik1> but I made no such file, believe me 23:10 <@mistik1> odd 23:10 <@jammcq> but if you've already run this once, it got created for you 23:10 <@mistik1> ok 23:11 <@jammcq> ok, mine is building like a banshee 23:11 <@jammcq> i'm going to bed now 23:11 <@jammcq> see ya'll later 23:11 <@jammcq> mistik1: do another update. I'd forgotten to commit robbies pam stuff 23:11 <@mistik1> ok 23:12 <@mistik1> that's more like it 23:12 <@mistik1> libz and libm works great 23:13 <@mistik1> I should use this patch in my script 23:17 * mistik1 wonders how extensively robbie's tested this 23:17 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:21 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 23:44 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit [No route to host] --- Day changed Tue Aug 26 2003 00:02 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["2.6.0-test4-mm1"] 00:06 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:09 -!- chester [~Shadow@c210-49-97-20.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ltsp 00:29 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 00:40 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:45 -!- jstraw is now known as Lumiere 00:46 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #ltsp 01:07 < Faithful> Hey rastaman 01:13 -!- Yngwie_ [jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 01:18 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip22-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:24 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@cvip-as05-ppp104.cvip.net] has joined #ltsp 01:34 -!- TrAn