--- Log opened Mon Sep 01 00:00:00 2003 --- Day changed Mon Sep 01 2003 00:00 < jammcq> so, i'll see ya'll tomorrow 00:00 < jammcq> time for sleep 00:00 < mfdutra> g'night 00:00 < penguini> catch ya another time then - nite --- Log opened Mon Sep 01 00:00:24 2003 00:04 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit ["Give me liberty or give me something of equal or lesser value from your glossy 32 page catalog."] 00:06 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has quit ["Client exiting"] 00:13 -!- penguini [~peter@winax20-190.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 00:29 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@aspect2.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:30 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@aspect2.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ltsp 00:35 * mistik1 goes to bed now, even geeks must sleep sometime 00:36 <@mistik1> g`night all 00:38 -!- peter_ [~peter@dialup-227.85.221.203.acc50-wick-bne.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 00:38 < peter_> can blackbox or fluxbox run on ltsp? 00:39 -!- debhat [~aris@203.167.117.147] has joined #ltsp 00:40 < ks|wrk> peter_: yes, any x app can, even gnome & kde apps 00:41 < peter_> I'm having a hell of a time trying to get flux running...I've tried the howtos and all the docs, but nothing works...I know this is an ltsp help channel, but any ideas? 00:43 -!- manimay_ [~mani@pD9E6386D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 00:44 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, robbie, jhansk01 00:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jhansk01, robbie, SmilieZ 00:44 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by jordan.freenode.net 00:46 < ks|wrk> hmm, not off the top of my head 00:46 < peter_> fair enuf...thanks anyway 00:46 -!- manimay__ [~mani@p5080998F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:47 < peter_> if I stopped the box from going into runlevel 5, would that give me a console with ltsp (on a workstation)? 00:47 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:53 -!- peter_ [~peter@dialup-227.85.221.203.acc50-wick-bne.comindico.com.au] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 00:58 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:00 -!- robbie_ [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 01:02 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:02 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:03 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 01:08 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 01:28 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.98] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:40 -!- bill_c_ [~bill@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 01:48 -!- bill_c [~bill@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:48 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:50 -!- nick_2 [cs@203.130.216.73] has joined #ltsp 01:51 < nick_2> me 01:53 -!- dida [~xxxxx@202.183.2.28] has joined #ltsp 01:55 < dida> hi all 01:55 < dida> anyone awake? 01:55 < dida> jammcq: hi 01:56 < jagman> hi dida 01:57 < dida> hi 01:57 < dida> jagman 01:57 < dida> long time no chat 01:58 < jagman> yeah 01:58 < jagman> dida too busy to talk with me :) 02:00 < jagman> wow.. u make a big change, in this pre realesed 02:00 < jagman> once it installed, it runned perfectly 02:00 -!- debhat [~aris@203.167.117.147] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 02:01 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@aspect2.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:04 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 02:06 -!- tcragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has joined #ltsp 02:24 -!- cbp [thepyeguy@dialup-98.54.accessatc.net] has joined #ltsp 02:38 -!- frame [~frame@213-35-223-210-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has joined #ltsp 02:41 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:51 -!- dida [~xxxxx@202.183.2.28] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:52 -!- jagman [cs@203.130.216.73] has quit ["(null)"] 03:00 -!- kVanQue [~kvanque@213.237.70.59.adsl.vby.worldonline.dk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:07 -!- bintut [~bintut@203.215.79.195] has joined #ltsp 03:22 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 03:31 -!- cbp [thepyeguy@dialup-98.54.accessatc.net] has left #ltsp ["Leaving"] 03:50 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:50 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1D951.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 03:50 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 03:52 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 03:52 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 03:53 -!- bintut [~bintut@203.215.79.195] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 03:57 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #ltsp 03:58 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has joined #ltsp 03:58 -!- pucko [aj@d155.hn.student.liu.se] has quit ["User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's"] 04:13 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 04:44 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 04:50 -!- ufo_ [ufo@zzi.il.pw.edu.pl] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:52 -!- ufo_ [ufo@zzi.il.pw.edu.pl] has joined #ltsp 05:10 < Gilly> Hmm, having problem with setxkbmap in client machine, it says: Error loading new keyboard description, any ideas? 05:11 < Gilly> it works fine at server. 05:12 < Gilly> The command i'm trying to run is: setxkbmap fi 05:20 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 05:30 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 05:35 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:35 < Gilly> hmm, i think i got it working. 05:36 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 05:38 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit [Client Quit] 05:48 -!- __iceman__ [~sam@216.252.250.217] has joined #ltsp 05:50 < __iceman__> Has anyone ever tried installing an image and booting of the ST-320 "Jammin" terminal? 05:51 -!- lanius [heino@p508E26BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 05:59 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@trap.mebius.lv] has joined #ltsp 06:01 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 06:01 < keyur> hi 06:02 < keyur> sis 6215 is not working with ltsp 06:02 < keyur> why? 06:03 -!- ebb [0@82-44-185-88.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 06:03 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 06:03 < arkadi> which X server? 06:03 < keyur> i have set sis 06:04 < keyur> i have also tried with XF86_SVGA 06:04 < keyur> arkadi : my card is of SiS 6215 06:04 < Yngwie> use Xvesa 06:05 < keyur> Yngwie : just a minute 06:05 < keyur> i m trying it 06:07 -!- __iceman__ [~sam@216.252.250.217] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:11 -!- _iceman_ [~sam@216.252.250.217] has joined #ltsp 06:14 < keyur> Yngwie : in vesa 06:14 < keyur> it display with very bad colors 06:15 < keyur> Yngwie : what is problem with SiS but here 06:15 < keyur> vesa is not displaying very good colors 06:16 < keyur> arkadi : did u know the solution 06:16 < Yngwie> maybe your XF86Config file has low colour support? I think Sis works but it has to be XFree86 3.x! 06:16 < keyur> Yngwie : so what should be sollution now? 06:17 < _iceman_> would any people be interested in Linux Terminal Server management software - GUI application that allow an Administrator to manage user sessions etc... 06:19 < keyur> Yngwie : vesa works, but how can i now generate good colors 06:20 < Yngwie> open a terminal and try xf86config and answer the relevant questions it asks you. best way i feel 06:21 < keyur> Yngwie : how, i can't get it, can u give more discription on it 06:24 < _iceman_> ok, what about merging some NoMachine code with LTSP X_core 06:40 < ebb> hi whats the disadvanges of having terminals ? 06:44 < _iceman_> ebb: no disadvantage really? Only 1 maybe - when server is down one cant work 06:46 < _iceman_> ebb: why were you asking? 06:47 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 06:48 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 06:55 -!- penguini [~peter@winax29-a018.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ltsp 06:57 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 07:15 < ebb> performance the same ? 07:17 < _iceman_> ebb: perfomance is pretty much the same, mostly depends on the server. 07:17 < ebb> ok 07:18 < _iceman_> ebb: most PC can sufice as servers these days 07:18 < ebb> can you have more than 1 motherboard in a server ? 07:18 < ebb> to hold more proccessors ? 07:19 < _iceman_> ebb: plus, when you have several people login to the server, perfomance seeming improves on application loading etc, due to cached DLL or ".so" in this case, though your RAM may suffer 07:20 -!- samba117 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 07:21 -!- samba117 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Client Quit] 07:22 -!- coby2k [~thomas@pD95261DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 07:22 < coby2k> hya 07:22 < coby2k> anyone can help me with this? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=79857&highlight=ltsp+error&sid=f176b9eb5240aec62cf5253c4f208d5d 07:35 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 07:38 -!- kVanQue [~kvanque@213.237.70.59.adsl.vby.worldonline.dk] has joined #ltsp 07:39 -!- tazman [~tazman@ool-43507762.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 07:40 -!- kVanQue [~kvanque@213.237.70.59.adsl.vby.worldonline.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 07:40 -!- kVanQue [~kvanque@2001:1448:80:1e:0:0:0:1] has joined #ltsp 07:40 < arkadi> coby2k: xdm not running? 07:41 < arkadi> or doesn't listen to xdmcp.. 07:45 -!- penguini [~peter@winax29-a018.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 07:45 -!- _iceman_ [~sam@216.252.250.217] has quit ["Client exiting"] 07:51 -!- coby2k [~thomas@pD95261DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:01 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-99.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 08:01 -!- lanius [heino@p508E26BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta3 "CVS""] 08:36 < keyur> hi 08:37 < keyur> my SiS 6215 display card not working with ltsp 08:37 < keyur> why 08:37 < keyur> i m giving xserver = sis 08:37 < keyur> and if i give it as vesa then it display with very bad graphics colors 08:37 < keyur> why ........? 08:40 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has joined #ltsp 08:49 < keyur> hi 08:49 < keyur> arkadi : what is this problem 08:49 < keyur> ? 08:51 < arkadi> first, sis 4.x driver is for newer cards, second, if 3.3.6 XF86_SVGA doesn't work, just forget about this sub-$1 card and move on, don't waste your time, surely i don't know what the problem is. 09:09 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 09:24 -!- tazman [~tazman@ool-43507762.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Time to go"] 09:26 -!- gnubie [~admin@203.76.200.149] has joined #ltsp 09:27 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:27 < gnubie> anybody can help me here how to print from a diskless workstation using mandrake 9.1 the printers connected to a win9x boxes? 09:28 < gnubie> anyone? 09:38 -!- tcragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has quit ["Klient afslutter"] 09:40 < keyur> gnubie : ya, u can, for that u have to use samba 09:40 < keyur> using samba u can configure win 9x printer on ltsp 09:41 < keyur> and remember that win 9x printer must be set as network printer 09:41 -!- slidesinger [~jtatum@pcp03291665pcs.arnysm01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 09:45 -!- admin^o^ [~admin@203.76.198.175] has joined #ltsp 09:47 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 09:47 -!- administrator [~admin@203.76.200.125] has joined #ltsp 09:48 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:55 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:56 -!- admin^o^ [~admin@203.76.198.175] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:02 -!- gnubie [~admin@203.76.200.149] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:13 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@trap.mebius.lv] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:21 -!- administrator [~admin@203.76.200.125] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 10:36 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 11:08 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-99.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:17 -!- irc [~difrentpt@adsl-68-72-154-139.dsl.sgnwmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ltsp 11:18 -!- irc [~difrentpt@adsl-68-72-154-139.dsl.sgnwmi.ameritech.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:19 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 11:44 -!- farang-35 [~daniel@202.133.169.88] has joined #ltsp 11:47 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 11:50 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 11:52 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: no_paste, robbie_, ragnar, TheLaw, Vee2d2, chupacabra, gola, nick_2, t0m, Gilly, (+33 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 11:53 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @mistik1, drgalaxy, TrAnCeFX, tripz_, parsley__, no_paste, kVanQue, farang-35, g-paiva, slidesinger (+24 more) 11:53 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by clarke.freenode.net 11:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Mr_TRaNS, macros, gola, Gilly, chupacabra, pr0m, lanius^na, Faithful 11:54 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by brunner.freenode.net 11:58 -!- jahroots [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 11:58 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 12:02 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Client Quit] 12:03 -!- farang-35 [~daniel@202.133.169.88] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:14 -!- slidesinger [~jtatum@pcp03291665pcs.arnysm01.nj.comcast.net] has left #ltsp [] 12:17 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has quit [] 12:37 -!- ebb [0@82-44-185-88.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:46 < Federico2> bye 12:46 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 12:50 -!- manimay_ [~mani@pD9E6386D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 12:50 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-124.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 12:50 -!- manimay [~mani@pD9E6386D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 13:04 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-124.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:36 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 13:39 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:45 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 13:51 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.65.34] has joined #ltsp 14:12 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 14:13 -!- Carel [~Carel@cvstrat.xs4all.nl] has joined #ltsp 14:21 < Carel> Has anyone got an EPIA-M video running as client ? 14:35 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.14] has joined #ltsp 14:35 < prpplague> jammcq: ping 14:35 -!- Carel [~Carel@cvstrat.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 14:37 < jammcq> prpplague: pong 14:38 < Snafu> burp 14:45 < prpplague> jammcq: are you using ltsp style booting with any other devices? 14:46 < jammcq> hmm, besides thin clients ? 14:47 < prpplague> jammcq: ya, like other embedded devices 14:47 < jammcq> hmm, nope, but it shouldn't be hard 14:48 < prpplague> jammcq: right, i've already got a component audio device and a price check kiosk, just wondering if you'd done any 15:06 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 15:08 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-104-84.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 15:18 -!- duca [~duca@50C58B12.flatrate.dk] has joined #ltsp 15:20 < duca> Hi! Can I use the ltsp_initrd_kit-3.0.10 package to build a new kernel for ltsp 4? 15:21 < jammcq> sure, that's how I do it 15:22 < duca> Thanks a lot, do you have any experience with Via Epia and ltsp? 15:22 < jammcq> well, i've used some via motherboards, I don't know if it was the Epia or not 15:23 < duca> ok, I'll give it a try! - ones again, thanks! 15:28 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit ["Give me liberty or give me something of equal or lesser value from your glossy 32 page catalog."] 15:29 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 15:29 -!- duca [~duca@50C58B12.flatrate.dk] has quit [] 15:32 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-104-84.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 15:40 < prpplague> jammcq: any news on the hondurain thing? 15:44 < jammcq> prpplague: nope. i'm not so plugged into that 15:44 < prpplague> jammcq: oh ok 15:44 < jammcq> i'm kinda waiting to see what happens 15:44 < prpplague> jammcq: ok 15:44 < prpplague> jammcq: think rcc has it under control? 15:44 < jammcq> yeah 15:45 < jammcq> sounds pretty cool tho 15:48 < prpplague> jammcq: ya i it goes through, be some good money, and alot of press for ltsp 15:48 < jammcq> yeah, and good news for Linux in general 15:56 -!- efv3|aWY [~Thomas@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:58 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 15:58 <@mistik1> what's this? 15:58 < jammcq> huh ? 16:02 <@mistik1> hondurain 16:02 <@mistik1> what is it? 16:02 < jammcq> ah, some deal that prpplague has scoped out, and rcc is looking into providing some services to them 16:02 < jammcq> nothing firm yet 16:02 <@mistik1> oh 16:11 < Federico2> bye bye 16:13 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:15 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1D951.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:26 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-164-23.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 16:33 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:34 -!- Gilly [~btw@155-linus.pikabaana.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:40 -!- Fizzo [~Miranda@pD9FFAFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 16:40 -!- prpplague [~billybob@12.148.134.14] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 16:40 < Fizzo> Hello! 17:05 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-164-23.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 17:08 < mfdutra> does anyone know what time is in california now? 17:09 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 17:13 < jammcq> hey marlon 17:13 < jammcq> it is 3:17 in CA right now 17:13 < mfdutra> hey jammcq 17:13 < mfdutra> hmmm does it still DST? 17:14 < jammcq> yeah, until late October 17:14 < mfdutra> ahh 17:14 < jammcq> what time is it where you are ? 17:14 < mfdutra> 4:18pm 17:14 < Snafu> " its pitch black, you could be eaten by a grue " 17:14 < mfdutra> here is -0600 17:14 < jammcq> ah, here is -0400, 6:18pm 17:15 < mfdutra> is there the same time than NYC? 17:15 < jammcq> yessir 17:15 < jammcq> EDT 17:15 < mfdutra> i'm taking note the flights in my palm, but i get confused with several timezones 17:15 < mfdutra> i'll be in NYC on 8th 17:15 < jammcq> oh ? 17:15 < mfdutra> -0400 good 17:15 < jammcq> I didn't think you were going to NYC 17:16 < mfdutra> yes, because i have a transfer in JFK 17:16 < jammcq> ah 17:16 < mfdutra> just a transfer 17:16 < mfdutra> i'll stay 3 hours in the JFK airport 17:16 < jammcq> Costa-Rica -> SanFran -> NYC -> Sao Paulo -> Porto Alegra 17:16 < mfdutra> yessir!!! 17:16 < jammcq> wowwie 17:16 < mfdutra> Porto AlegrE 17:16 < mfdutra> :-) 17:16 < jammcq> heh 17:17 < mfdutra> between costa rica and sanfran there is a stop in guatemala 17:17 < mfdutra> but i don't leave the plane 17:17 < jammcq> wow 17:17 < mfdutra> 23 hours flying :( 17:17 < jammcq> too bad you don't have first-class seats 17:17 < mfdutra> i'll get to brazil broken 17:17 < mfdutra> yes 17:17 < Snafu> thats more than a few hrs with your ass in a jet . more than too much time to get totaly shitfaced on cognac 17:17 < mfdutra> but it's much more expensive 17:18 < jammcq> but, why can't you fly from Costa-Rica to Sao Paulo ? 17:18 < mfdutra> because buying round trip has been cheaper 17:18 < mfdutra> poa-sf-poa and sf-cr-sf 17:19 < mfdutra> weird, but... 17:19 < jammcq> yeah, I understand 17:19 < jammcq> how much time in SF ? 17:19 < Snafu> thats what happens when all the small carries get squezed out .. 17:19 < mfdutra> i get to SF on 7th, i sleep there and on 8th 12pm i go to NYC 17:20 < mfdutra> less than 24h 17:20 < Snafu> you would think it would be a short twin turbo prop ride .. but no ... the majors bounce your ass all over the earth ... 17:30 -!- Gilly [~btw@155-linus.pikabaana.net] has joined #ltsp 17:38 -!- tripz_ [~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se] has quit [Client Quit] 17:38 -!- tripz_ [~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se] has joined #ltsp 17:57 -!- parsley_ [[ZH+EyvP6y@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 17:57 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:10 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 18:23 -!- parsley__ [[qtGmffRfq@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:29 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:37 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.65.34] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:39 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:40 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:40 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has joined #ltsp 18:44 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.65.34] has joined #ltsp 18:59 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:01 -!- Fizzo [~Miranda@pD9FFAFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 19:07 < mfdutra> jammcq: do you like volcanos? 19:08 < jammcq> hmm, I don't think i've ever been asked that question before :) 19:09 -!- xultz [~xultz@cm-net-cwb-C8B0318C.brdterra.com.br] has joined #ltsp 19:10 < mfdutra> have you ever been to a crater? 19:10 < jammcq> nope 19:10 < jammcq> never 19:10 < mfdutra> close to the dangerous 19:10 < mfdutra> I HAVE!! :-) 19:10 < mfdutra> http://people.debian-rs.org/~marlon/gallery/volcan 19:11 < jammcq> wow, that's pretty cool 19:12 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.16.19] has joined #ltsp 19:12 < mfdutra> it's amazing 19:12 -!- xultz [~xultz@cm-net-cwb-C8B0318C.brdterra.com.br] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 19:12 < mfdutra> very beautiful 19:12 < dida> hi all 19:12 < mfdutra> the smell of sulfur is terrible 19:19 -!- penguini [~peter@winax20-113.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ltsp 19:20 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@aspect2.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ltsp 19:20 < penguini> ks|wrk: do you have a spy camera or something? 19:20 < ks|wrk> penguini: no :) 19:21 < ks|wrk> penguini: gut feeling i think. 19:25 -!- monkeydiver [lfesdail@ool-43517d01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 19:26 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.16.19] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:44 -!- lanius^na [~lanius@195.37.161.2] has quit [Client Quit] 19:46 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 19:50 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@pcp01563006pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:10 -!- monkeydiver [lfesdail@ool-43517d01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:19 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has quit ["Client exiting"] 20:21 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip41-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:35 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip41-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 20:38 -!- bloggsie [~chris@202-0-37-152.cable.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ltsp 20:40 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 20:44 -!- parsley__ [[Gk+OjdLMg@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 20:56 -!- parsley_ [[ZH+EyvP6y@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:06 -!- penguini [~peter@winax20-113.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 21:10 -!- arnelgp_ [~arnelgp@203.177.1.3] has joined #ltsp 21:20 -!- staft [~andre@host-98.tpo.com.br] has joined #ltsp 21:44 -!- parsley_ [[yVNlLuCqn@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 21:55 -!- parsley__ [[Gk+OjdLMg@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:59 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 22:06 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 22:12 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.65.34] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:18 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@aspect2.lnk.telstra.net] has left #ltsp ["cu"] 22:23 -!- staft [~andre@host-98.tpo.com.br] has quit ["Cliente saiu"] 22:48 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away 22:51 -!- bloggsie [~chris@202-0-37-152.cable.paradise.net.nz] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:53 -!- dida [~cymblot@202.155.146.2] has joined #ltsp 22:55 < dida> hi all 22:55 < dida> anyone awake? 23:27 -!- thav [~thav@12-218-233-53.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ltsp 23:28 < thav> anyone ever done smart card authentication for LTSP (or linux at all for that matter)? 23:37 -!- thav [~thav@12-218-233-53.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:41 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:41 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp --- Day changed Tue Sep 02 2003 00:04 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 00:10 -!- efv3|aWY [~Thomas@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:43 -!- manimay_ [~mani@pD954498F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 00:51 -!- manimay [~mani@pD9E6386D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:12 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:13 -!- jond3rd [~jon@202.8.246.83] has joined #ltsp 01:31 -!- dida [~cymblot@202.155.146.2] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 01:46 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 01:47 < keyur> hi 01:47 < keyur> i have got xfree 4.x 01:47 < keyur> and my ws has SiS 6215 display card 01:48 < keyur> but in xserver if i set SiS, then it does not display any screen 01:48 < keyur> and gives error 01:48 < keyur> But if i set vesa, then it shows with very bad graphics 01:49 < jond3rd> keyur: try to set sis instead of SiS 01:49 < jond3rd> keyur: and XSERVER = auto should work fine 01:50 < keyur> ya, i have tried it, jond3rd 01:50 < keyur> and i have tried auto also 01:50 < keyur> but both not work 01:51 < jond3rd> keyur: is your video card a pci one? 01:51 < keyur> jond3rd : yes 01:51 < keyur> it is pci one 01:52 < keyur> jond3rd : it works only with vesa and 24 bit color depth 01:52 < jond3rd> keyur: hmm, try to take a look at $LTSP_DIR/etc/vidlist for your chipset 01:52 < keyur> but it shows very large screen, icon which is not good one 01:52 < jond3rd> keyur: how about setting up a proper modelines? 01:52 < keyur> jond3rd : i have also look there 01:52 < keyur> and entry for sis 6215 is there with sis 01:53 < keyur> but it not works 01:53 < keyur> jond3rd : i have not tried with setting proper modelines 01:53 < jond3rd> keyur: then sis should work fine, try setting XSERVER = sis and also set X_MODE_0 = 800x600 01:53 < keyur> jond3rd : this is tested 01:53 < keyur> but not worke 01:54 < jond3rd> keyur: try to use one of the modelines here http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html 01:54 < keyur> jond3rd : ok, i m trying it, just a minute 01:57 -!- tcragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has joined #ltsp 02:09 -!- mSlicker [~matthew@t028124.turbonet.com] has joined #ltsp 02:09 < mSlicker> Hello.. 02:10 < mSlicker> Anyone get LTSP working on RH 9.0? 02:11 < mSlicker> My NFS does not seem to be mounting.. 02:12 < jond3rd> mSlicker: what's the log's says? 02:14 < mSlicker> The permissions are world readable.. The exports file is copied directly from the previous RH file that worked. 02:14 < mSlicker> The LTSP client isn't giving me any reason.. it just says it cannot mount. 02:15 < mSlicker> I followed all the directions.. I ensured everything is on that needs to be.. I restarted everything. 02:15 < jond3rd> mSlicker: the server's logs should give you a clue 02:15 < jond3rd> mSlicker: what's the content of your /etc/exports file? 02:16 < mSlicker> I gotta get it.. 02:16 < mSlicker> I'll be back in a few 02:16 < jond3rd> ok 02:16 < jond3rd> I hope few doesn't mean hours :) 02:20 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 02:22 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ 02:22 < keyur> jond3rd : it not works 02:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ 02:23 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: chester, robbie_, SmilieZ 02:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ 02:23 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by brin.freenode.net 02:23 < jond3rd> keyur: set RUNLEVEL = 3 than at the shell prompt, type sh /tmp/start_ws 02:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: robbie_, chester 02:23 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by simak.freenode.net 02:24 < jond3rd> keyur: it should tell you why X fails to start 02:25 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:27 < mSlicker> # 02:27 < mSlicker> /opt/ltsp/i386 *(rw) 02:27 < mSlicker> /opt/ltsp/i386.backup *(rw) 02:27 < mSlicker> jond3rd, that's what exports says.. 02:28 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: arc_ 02:28 < jond3rd> mSlicker: hmm, try t change it to seomthinge else like /opt/ltsp/i386 /(rw,no_root_squash,sync) 02:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: arc_ 02:30 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 02:32 < mSlicker> I modified exports, but I am not physicially in the lab to try it out. 02:33 < mSlicker> I will test it tomorrow.. Thanks.. I hope it does something. 02:33 < jond3rd> mSlicker: dont forget to do 'exportfs -ra' 02:33 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: frame 02:33 -!- Netsplit over, joins: frame 02:33 < mSlicker> jond3rd, what does that do? 02:34 < mSlicker> I can look it up.. of course.. 02:34 < jond3rd> mSlicker: it will tell to the system that you have made changes to your /etc/exports file 02:34 < jond3rd> mSlicker: same thing wiht lilo -v 02:35 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.22] has joined #ltsp 02:35 < mSlicker> Maybe that was the problem all along. I just restarted xinetd and everything else I knew to restart. 02:35 < mSlicker> I didn't restart that, though. 02:35 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jahroots 02:36 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ccjoe, jond3rd 02:36 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ccjoe 02:36 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+n] by tolkien.freenode.net 02:37 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jond3rd 02:38 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jahroots 02:39 < mSlicker> Any know if a fix for the mouse offsetting on Via boards? Like Eden ESP.... EPIA... 02:40 < mSlicker> Is this something fixed when you compile the kernel with Via bug fixes? 02:40 < mSlicker> Making a via LTSP kernel sounds kinda....maybe not perfectly fun. 02:42 < mSlicker> Geez... lots to learn and do.. 02:42 < mSlicker> Not much time to learn and do it.. 02:42 < mSlicker> Good night. 02:42 -!- mSlicker [~matthew@t028124.turbonet.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 02:54 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ccjoe 02:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ccjoe 03:00 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 03:21 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.22] has quit ["Client exiting"] 03:33 -!- dida [~cymblot@202.155.146.2] has joined #ltsp 03:36 -!- pucko [aj@d155.hn.student.liu.se] has joined #ltsp 04:02 -!- ebb [0@82-44-187-118.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 04:09 -!- keull [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has joined #ltsp 04:09 < keull> :) hello all 04:09 < keull> i can put my terminal clients with uk keyboard...but not wilisystem clients, anyone know anything about this? 04:10 < keull> and whats wrong with wilisystem webpage? :) 04:13 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:39 -!- keull [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:40 -!- keull [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has joined #ltsp 04:42 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@trap.mebius.lv] has joined #ltsp 04:50 -!- monstro_sim [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has joined #ltsp 05:09 -!- keull [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has quit [Client Quit] 05:10 -!- monstro_sim [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 05:25 -!- robbie_ [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [] 05:34 -!- lanius [heino@p508E3376.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 05:39 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 05:48 < dida> hi all 05:52 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 06:11 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #ltsp 06:12 -!- bjohnson|away [~bjohnson@ip41-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:15 -!- dida [~cymblot@202.155.146.2] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 06:24 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 06:31 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 06:33 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has joined #ltsp 06:48 -!- kszwed [~gw02103@239.b.009.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ltsp 06:59 -!- ebb [0@82-44-187-118.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:07 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 07:23 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 07:47 -!- tcragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has quit ["Klient afslutter"] 07:51 -!- tcragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has joined #ltsp 07:54 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@AP-202-70-101-51.compass.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 07:54 < nyophirdo> is it possible to determine in what particular pc are my users logged in 07:58 < kszwed> nyophirdo: "who" should tell you 07:59 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-169-93.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 07:59 -!- trix412 [baby08@AP-202-70-104-60.compass.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 08:02 -!- trix412 is now known as nyophirdo1 08:02 < nyophirdo1> is it possible to determine who is logged on in any of my clients 08:03 < kszwed> nyophirdo: "who" should tell you 08:04 < nyophirdo1> who only gives me the users logged in my machine but id like to know where are they logged in e.g. user a is logged in ws001 08:07 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: no_paste, ragnar, TheLaw, Vee2d2, chupacabra, gola, nick_2, t0m, Gilly, kszwed, (+38 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 08:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Lumiere, @mistik1, nyophirdo1, OOps, nyophirdo, blusyit, bjohnson, kszwed, jhansk01, g-paiva (+38 more) 08:07 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.*] by pratchett.freenode.net 08:08 < nyophirdo1> maybe i should recheck the who info 08:08 < nyophirdo1> tnx for the response 08:08 < arkadi> also try "w" command, output of "who" may vary, iirc 08:08 -!- nick_2 [cs@203.130.216.73] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:12 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has joined #ltsp 08:15 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@trap.mebius.lv] has quit ["Client exiting"] 08:17 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@AP-202-70-101-51.compass.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:47 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 08:48 < sbartleylinux> morning all.:) 08:51 -!- nyophirdo1 [baby08@AP-202-70-104-60.compass.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:55 -!- lanius [heino@p508E3376.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta3 "CVS""] 09:00 -!- MEtRIK [~gue@202.95.134.250] has joined #ltsp 09:14 -!- beansb [~josh@66-231-199-141.oxfordnetworks.net] has joined #ltsp 09:17 -!- keull [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has joined #ltsp 09:18 < keull> hi found out why I couldnt get uk keyb, was to do with settings in the desktop of windows 2003 :)) ltsp + willisystems are perfect 09:20 -!- Astaplastinquala [~chatzilla@213.26.12.7] has joined #ltsp 09:21 -!- Astaplastinquala [~chatzilla@213.26.12.7] has left #ltsp [] 09:28 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 09:34 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:38 -!- zx [~admin@202.155.120.141] has joined #ltsp 09:39 < zx> anybody has experience intermitten X lockup in clients? 09:50 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-169-93.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:00 < beansb> zz: Yes. Where does it lockup? 10:01 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: morfic 10:01 -!- Netsplit over, joins: morfic 10:02 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: chester, jhansk01 10:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jhansk01 10:06 -!- kszwed [~gw02103@239.b.009.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:09 -!- zx [~admin@202.155.120.141] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:09 -!- PleaseHELP [~pleasehel@c-66-94-biz2.mts.net] has joined #ltsp 10:09 < PleaseHELP> hello everyone 10:09 < PleaseHELP> Im having a problem... 10:10 < PleaseHELP> if I boot with the etherboot floppy, or an Intel PXE enabled NIC everything is fine... the trouble is, that the Intel cards are too expensive, and so I bought DLINK DFE 550's.... when the workstation boots, 10:11 < PleaseHELP> the client side indicates that the kernel cannot be found 10:11 < jammcq> do you have bootroms on the DFE 550's ? 10:12 < PleaseHELP> yes, the PXE portion works 10:12 < jammcq> ok, how are you doing pxe ? 10:12 < PleaseHELP> it boots, gets the IP and dies... 10:12 < jammcq> do this: grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf 10:13 < PleaseHELP> hmmm... 10:15 -!- tcragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has quit ["Klient afslutter"] 10:15 < PleaseHELP> PXE works with the Intel cards... 10:15 -!- PleaseHELP [~pleasehel@c-66-94-biz2.mts.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:16 -!- PleaseHELP [~pleasehel@c-66-94-biz2.mts.net] has joined #ltsp 10:16 < PleaseHELP> strange 10:16 < PleaseHELP> oky,,, I seem to have been disconectedf 10:16 < PleaseHELP> PXE works with the Intel cards... 10:17 < PleaseHELP> it seems to not work with the DLINK cards, the 550's do work with Linux... 10:17 < jammcq> well, can you do the 'grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf' command ? 10:17 < PleaseHELP> yes,,, I did, 10:17 < PleaseHELP> there are 2 lines uncommente 10:17 < jammcq> mind sharing the results ? 10:18 < PleaseHELP> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; 10:18 < PleaseHELP> sorry, I thought I did paste it... 10:19 < PleaseHELP> here is the server side error. 10:19 < PleaseHELP> Sep 2 16:10:24 linux2 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.143 to 00:05:5d:79:05:7f via eth0 10:21 -!- ebb [0@82-44-187-118.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 10:23 -!- ranger [~baude@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has joined #ltsp 10:23 < ranger> Greets all 10:23 < ranger> jammcq, u around? 10:24 < PleaseHELP> hmm... google seems to return a truck load of results when i search for that error... 10:25 < ranger> jammcq, got a customer here interested in ltsp on his Linux partition running on an iSeries. I know this worked at one time, any recent changes that would change that? or moving forward? 10:25 < ebb> heh 10:27 < beansb> PleaseHELP: In your /etc/dhcpd.conf file did you put the MAC address for the D-Link card in and put a filename entry (for that MAC address) that points to your LTSP kernel? 10:28 < jammcq> ranger: hey 10:28 < ebb> any one know if there a nfs swap patch for 2.4.22 kernel ? 10:28 < jammcq> ebb: hmm, haven't seen one yet 10:29 < ebb> okies 10:29 < ranger> jammcq, see my question? 10:29 < ebb> think 2.4.21 will work ? 10:29 < jammcq> yeah 10:29 < jammcq> ranger: yeah, it should work just fine 10:29 < ranger> jammcq, moving forward too? 10:29 < jammcq> ebb: are you asking if the 2.4.21 nfs-swap patch will work with 2.4.22 ? 10:29 < ebb> yes 10:30 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.151.155] has joined #ltsp 10:30 < jammcq> ranger: yeah, the iSeries just needs to provide dhcp, tftp, nfs and xdmcp 10:30 < jammcq> ebb; you'd have to try it. I suspect it wouldn't be much of a problem to port the 2.4.21 patch to work on 2.4.22 10:30 < ranger> jammcq, cool 10:30 < ebb> ok thnx 11:26 -!- ayanami_ [~ayanami@66.216.88.210] has joined #ltsp 11:26 -!- Topic for #ltsp: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ || LTSP is Linux World SF 2003's "Best Open Source Project" || Welcome LTSP 4 Users! 11:26 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Tue Sep 2 10:36:25 2003] 11:26 [Users #ltsp] 11:26 [ arc_ ] [ ebb ] [ keull ] [ parsley_ ] 11:26 [ ayanami ] [ frame ] [ kVanQue ] [ PleaseHELP ] 11:26 [ ayanami_ ] [ g-paiva_lunch] [ macros ] [ ragnar ] 11:26 [ BadMagic ] [ Gilly ] [ manimay_ ] [ ranger ] 11:26 [ beans ] [ gola ] [ MEtRIK ] [ sbartleylinux] 11:26 [ bill_c ] [ greendisease ] [ mistik1 ] [ SmilieZ ] 11:26 [ bjohnson ] [ HiltonT ] [ monkeydiver] [ t0m ] 11:26 [ ccjoe ] [ jahroots ] [ morfic ] [ TheLaw ] 11:26 [ ccscricket] [ jammcq ] [ Mr_TRaNS ] [ ufo_ ] 11:26 [ chupacabra] [ jhansk01 ] [ no_paste ] [ Vee2d2 ] 11:26 [ dobwan ] [ jond3rd ] [ OOps ] [ wftl ] 11:26 [ drgalaxy ] [ jstraw ] [ paperclip ] 11:26 -!- Irssi: #ltsp: Total of 47 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 47 normal] 11:26 -!- Channel #ltsp created Sun Aug 3 16:30:45 2003 11:26 -!- Irssi: Join to #ltsp was synced in 20 secs 11:27 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:32 -!- keull [~sonoro@62.105.85.229] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 11:32 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 11:35 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has quit ["Client exiting"] 11:38 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:39 -!- PleaseHELP [~pleasehel@c-66-94-biz2.mts.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:39 -!- PleaseHELP [~pleasehel@c-66-94-biz2.mts.net] has joined #ltsp 11:39 < PleaseHELP> K... so lets start this again... 11:40 < PleaseHELP> only this time, I will go and write down the specifics of the error message ... 11:40 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: yeah, sounds like a good plan 11:41 -!- g-paiva_lunch is now known as g-paiva 11:42 -!- cervajs [~instalac@priv.fpf.slu.cz] has joined #ltsp 11:42 -!- louhanbotak [~lagi@202.73.111.83] has joined #ltsp 11:42 -!- UselessKnowldge [~useless@oh-ironton-u1-c511a-11.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ltsp 11:43 < cervajs> hi all 11:43 < PleaseHELP> oky,,, 11:43 < cervajs> anybody who knows xfree compile options there? 11:44 < PleaseHELP> the machine starts, gets an IP and then... 11:44 < PleaseHELP> Trying to Load: pxelinux/CUA80088 11:44 < PleaseHELP> Trying to Load: pxelinux/CUA8008 11:44 < PleaseHELP> Trying to Load: pxelinux/CUA8008 11:44 < PleaseHELP> Trying to Load: pxelinux/CUA800 11:44 < PleaseHELP> Trying to Load: pxelinux/CUA80 11:44 < PleaseHELP> it does that, all the way to, 11:45 < PleaseHELP> Trying to Load: pxelinux/C 11:45 < PleaseHELP> then finaly, 11:45 < PleaseHELP> Trying to Load: pxelinux/default 11:45 < PleaseHELP> and stops with, 11:45 < PleaseHELP> Cannot find kernel image: linux 11:45 < PleaseHELP> Boot: 11:45 < cervajs> cat pxelinux/default 11:45 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: any further info for me? lol. hey, I just got my jammin150. gonna set it up today. 11:46 < PleaseHELP> cervajs, am I looking for anything in particular ? 11:46 < jammcq> it seems to be loading 'linux', instead of 'vmlinuz.ltsp' 11:46 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: cool. your Jammin-125 is going out today 11:46 < PleaseHELP> jammcq, there is a label statment in the default 11:46 < PleaseHELP> label linux 11:46 < sbartleylinux> cool. thx. 11:46 < UselessKnowldge> Hi. I'm having problems configuring LTSP 4. Where do you get the boot kernel? It's not in /tftpboot/lts or whereever like it usually is. 11:47 < PleaseHELP> but, I will try vmlinux.ltsp 11:47 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: you need to install a ltsp-3 kernel 11:47 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has quit ["Client exiting"] 11:47 < UselessKnowldge> Oh ok, thx. 11:47 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: when you get the prompt, can you hit the TAB key to get a list of kernels ? 11:48 < cervajs> jammcq: have you experience with configure xfree86 (before compilation) ? (heh, stupid question ;) ) 11:48 < jammcq> cervajs: like modifying how it is gonna compile ? 11:49 < PleaseHELP> jammcq no the prompt doesnt work... 11:49 -!- louhanbotak [~lagi@202.73.111.83] has quit [] 11:49 < PleaseHELP> where is the TFTP prefix set ? 11:49 < cervajs> jammcq: i need disable compilation od xgencursor (depends on png.h - not in lbe) 11:49 < PleaseHELP> on boot it says that the prefix is, /lts/pxe 11:49 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: what distro are you running ? 11:49 < cervajs> jammcq: now i modify makefiles, but ... 11:49 < PleaseHELP> redhat 8 11:50 < jammcq> cervajs: ah yes, png.h is NOW in lbe 11:50 < cervajs> jammcq: cvs? 11:50 < PleaseHELP> oh sorry, this is 7.3 11:50 < jammcq> cervajs: why are you building Xfree86 in lbe-src ? You should be building it in ltsp-src 11:50 < PleaseHELP> wow, thats old 11:50 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: ok, do this: grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 11:50 < PleaseHELP> i should use this opportunity to upgrade... 11:50 < jammcq> 7.3 isn't so old. It is the most stable of the redhats that i've encountered 11:51 < cervajs> jammcq: i build in ltsp-src, where are then includes (where want png.h)? 11:52 < jammcq> cervajs; ah ok 11:52 < PleaseHELP> hmm it seems that there isnt an xinted.d/tftp file 11:52 < jammcq> I ran into this problem building xfree86 in lbe-src, for another reason. You need to update your lbe to get libpng 11:52 < PleaseHELP> hmmm 11:52 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: you don't have /etc/xinetd.d/tftp ? 11:53 < PleaseHELP> strange... 11:53 < jammcq> yeah 11:53 < PleaseHELP> no I dont 11:53 < jammcq> how are you running tftp ? 11:53 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: do this: rpm -qa | grep tftp 11:53 < PleaseHELP> and, a locate tftp doesnt bring up anything that would indicate its even isntalled... how n the hell does that work ? 11:53 < cervajs> rpm -q tftp-server 11:53 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: makes me wonder how you are getting as far as you are 11:54 < PleaseHELP> rpm -qa | grep tft doesnt return anything at all 11:54 < PleaseHELP> honestly, other NICs do work... 11:54 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: are you sure you are on the LTSP server ? 11:54 < PleaseHELP> shite! 11:54 < PleaseHELP> ahem 11:54 < jammcq> :) 11:54 < PleaseHELP> never mind... I was ssh'ed to our proxy server 11:54 < PleaseHELP> ahem 11:54 < jammcq> bwahahahahahahahaha 11:55 < cervajs> :)) 11:55 < PleaseHELP> server_args -s /tftpbooyt 11:55 < PleaseHELP> typo 11:55 < PleaseHELP> yes.. I can be a dope from time to time.... 11:56 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:56 < PleaseHELP> first day of school,. its nuts around here 11:56 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.151.155] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:58 < UselessKnowldge> jammcq: I tried to install a 3.0 kernel rpm for my new 4.0 LTSP, but the rpm required LTSP 3.0 core, etc etc. 11:58 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: don't use the rpm, use the tgz 11:58 < jammcq> untar it, then run the install.sh script 11:58 < cervajs> jammcq: are you interested in integration 4.3.0 to lbe (as option) with my help 11:58 < cervajs> ? 11:58 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 11:59 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: where can I find the modules for the soundcard on the j150? 11:59 < jammcq> cervajs: I already had 4.3.0 working, but it doesn't support the mediagx chipset in the Jammin-125, so I dropped back to 4.2.99 while I sort that out 11:59 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: should be part of the standard kernel. It lists the modules you need on the sheet that we send with the unit 12:00 < sbartleylinux> hm. i added those lines to the lts.conf, the files are in my modules directory but I get an error message on ws boot up 12:00 < UselessKnowldge> jammcq: How do you untar a .tgz? It's not in gzip format and tar doesn't recognize it either. 12:00 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: tar -xvzf .tgz 12:01 < UselessKnowldge> That's what I did. I think I may have gotten a corrupt download. I'll try again. 12:01 < cervajs> jammcq: ok, but people with need of int keyb and 4.3.0 on server ... 12:01 -!- MEtRIK [~gue@202.95.134.250] has quit [] 12:01 < jammcq> cervajs: yeah, that's why we call it "beta" 12:01 < jammcq> we'll get to it 12:01 < jammcq> why doesn't 4.2.99 work ? 12:03 < cervajs> i dont know, i send mail to ltsp-discuss, imho bad comunication between X servers 12:03 < cervajs> man setxkbmap ; section USING WITH xkbcomp 12:04 < cervajs> sorry for my terrible english :( 12:06 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: this is what I get when doing insmod on via82cxxx_audio -- insmod via82cxxx_audio 12:06 < sbartleylinux> Using /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.9smp/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o 12:07 < sbartleylinux> /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.9smp/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: unresolved symbol unload_uart401_Rsmp_ecfdd9c9 12:07 < sbartleylinux> /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.9smp/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: unresolved symbol ac97_probe_codec_Rsmp_83a75e83 12:07 < sbartleylinux> /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.9smp/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: unresolved symbol uart401intr_Rsmp_6391d066 12:08 < sbartleylinux> /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.9smp/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: unresolved symbol probe_uart401_Rsmp_63d781ea 12:08 < sbartleylinux> /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.9smp/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: unresolved symbol midi_devs_Rsmp_b3ae63d0 12:10 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has joined #ltsp 12:11 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: do a modprobe instead of insmod 12:15 < PleaseHELP> did anyone answer the question about the TFTP prefix ? where is it set ? 12:15 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: yeah, I showed you in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 12:15 < jammcq> the '/tftpboot' on the server_args line 12:16 < PleaseHELP> oh,,, well if thats the case, then do you think that you can take a stab and figureing out why when the machine boots it says, TFTP prefix: /lts/pxe ? 12:16 < jammcq> yes, take a look at the 'filename' entry in /etc/dhcpd.conf 12:17 < PleaseHELP> oky 12:17 < jammcq> doesn't that say: /ltsp/pxe/pxelinux.bin ? 12:17 < jammcq> pxelinux.bin will look for the kernel in the same place as it found itself "/lts/pxe" 12:18 -!- adam0 [~adamp@213.177.232.154] has joined #ltsp 12:19 < PleaseHELP> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; 12:19 -!- adam0 is now known as adam 12:20 -!- adam is now known as AdamPalmer 12:21 < PleaseHELP> are there any client side settings that may need to be made on the NIC ? 12:22 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.9smp/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: init_module: No such device 12:22 < sbartleylinux> /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.9smp/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.9smp/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o failed 12:23 < sbartleylinux> /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.9smp/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: insmod via82cxxx_audio failed 12:27 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: why are you loading a 2.4.20-20.9smp kernel on your workstation ? 12:28 < jammcq> that is NOT an ltsp kernel my friend 12:28 < sbartleylinux> im not. that is the kernel on the server. 12:28 < jammcq> so why are you trying to load the via82cxxx_audio driver module on the kernel ? 12:28 < jammcq> s/kernel/server/ 12:29 < sbartleylinux> lol cuz I was not thinking it through.:) 12:29 < jammcq> ah, makes perfect sense 12:29 < sbartleylinux> The problem was that the j150 boots, but there was an error just before X that said it did not load completely 12:29 < sbartleylinux> was trying to figure that out. 12:30 < sbartleylinux> did not load sound completely that is 12:31 < PleaseHELP> hrmm 12:31 < PleaseHELP> I dont see too many differences with a working clients start up and the not working, with the exception of the PXE API versions 12:31 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: ok, what are the versions ? 12:32 < sbartleylinux> brb 12:32 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has quit ["Client exiting"] 12:33 < PleaseHELP> the one that works is, PXE API 0063 the one that doesnt work, PXE API 0212 12:35 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 12:36 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: on ws boot, get message that say "Sound is enabled in lts.conf, but it does not appear the sound package is loaded" 12:36 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 12:39 < PleaseHELP> hmmm 12:39 < PleaseHELP> this is terribly frustrating 12:41 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 12:42 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: ltsp kernel loading is vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-1. 12:44 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: ok, you didn't install the sound pkg 12:44 < jammcq> that's prolly cuz there isn't one yet for ltsp-4 12:44 < sbartleylinux> lmao. that would be the cause wouldnt it.:) 12:45 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.11 [Mozilla rv:1.2.1/20030225]"] 12:47 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: can I specify an option root-path for a workstation and have that take precedence over the one in the main pool? 12:47 < jammcq> yessir 12:47 < jammcq> works great 12:47 < sbartleylinux> I want to set a single workstation to use ltsp and leave the rest on ltsp-4. 12:47 < sbartleylinux> cool. 12:48 < PleaseHELP> argh 12:48 < PleaseHELP> could this have anything to do with the driver for the nic ? 12:48 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has quit ["Client exiting"] 12:48 < jammcq> PleaseHELP: you aren't even getting to the kernel, so it's not the driver 12:49 < PleaseHELP> hmmm 12:49 < PleaseHELP> well, thats progress 12:49 < PleaseHELP> Sep 2 18:18:55 linux2 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.143 to 00:05:5d:79:05:7f via eth0 12:49 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 12:51 -!- ayanami is now known as Lumiere 12:51 -!- duca [~duca@50C58B12.flatrate.dk] has joined #ltsp 12:51 < AdamPalmer> Does anyone know whether 'rdesktop' features sound? 12:55 < duca> I have some problems with building my own kernel, can anyone help? 12:57 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 12:59 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 12:59 < pLin_io> holas,, hi y'all 13:04 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 13:05 -!- WX [~chris@67.107.24.66.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #ltsp 13:06 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:06 < WX> hi 13:06 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 13:06 < WX> anyone here use icewm actively? 13:06 < UselessKnowldge> Ok. My workstation cannot mount the root directory. NFS says permissions denied, but I've checked all of the 4 things it suggests in the error message (NFS is running on server, workstation ip maps to hostname in /etc/hosts, address correct for NFS server, and root pathname is correct) 13:07 < WX> /var/log/messages shows permission denied? 13:07 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: do this: showmount -e 13:07 < WX> hi jim 13:07 < jammcq> hey chris 13:07 < WX> been gone for a while 13:08 < WX> new job... 13:08 < UselessKnowldge> jammcq: Export list for localhost.localdomain: 13:08 < jammcq> cool 13:08 < UselessKnowldge> And then nothing. 13:08 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: well, you've got a problem 13:08 < WX> hah yep 13:08 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: what do you have in /etc/exports ? 13:08 < WX> what's your /etc/exports show? 13:08 < UselessKnowldge> Nothing. 13:08 < jammcq> well, that won't work 13:08 < WX> gotta add the shares 13:08 < UselessKnowldge> Yeah ... I know. 13:08 < UselessKnowldge> haha 13:09 < UselessKnowldge> How do you add the shares? 13:09 < WX> haha 13:09 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: did you run the ltsp_initialize script when you installed ltsp ? 13:10 < UselessKnowldge> There wasn't one on my system after installation. Where should it be? 13:10 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: how did you install ltsp ? from tarball or rpm ? 13:11 < UselessKnowldge> From the internet ... version 4's setup script... 13:11 < jammcq> ah, ok you are using ltsp-4 beta 13:11 < jammcq> what is the IP address of your workstation ? 13:11 < UselessKnowldge> Yeah. 13:11 < UselessKnowldge> Do you mean what is the ip we want the workstation to have? 13:12 < jammcq> yeah, but if you are having an NFS perms problem, you are already assigning the IP address 13:12 < UselessKnowldge> 10.73.4.2 13:12 < jammcq> ok, you need to add a couple lines to your /etc/exports file 13:12 < jammcq> something like: 13:13 < jammcq> /opt/ltsp/i386 10.73.4.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash) 13:13 < jammcq> /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 10.73.4.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) 13:15 < UselessKnowldge> K, thx. Trying now. 13:17 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.11 [Mozilla rv:1.2.1/20030225]"] 13:18 < UselessKnowldge> It didn't work. I checked, and there is no /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles ...? 13:18 < jammcq> ok, you can do this: mkdir -p /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 13:18 < jammcq> then, you also need to do this: exportfs -ra 13:20 < duca> I'm trying to build a new kernel for my client, using the ltsp_initrd_kit, here is what I'm doing, dl kernel 2.4.21, patching it with the lpp and nfs swap patch doing the changes to the kernel source with "make menuconfig" doing a "make dep && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install". Next I'm using the buildk from the ltsp_initrd package, copy my new kernel to the tftp root, but when I boot my client I get a.... 13:21 < duca> kernel panic saying "try passing init= to the kernel" what do i miss here? 13:21 < duca> btw I'm using ltsp v.4 13:21 < UselessKnowldge> Thanks, jammcq. That worked. :) 13:21 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.169] has joined #ltsp 13:29 -!- duca [~duca@50C58B12.flatrate.dk] has quit [] 13:30 < pLin_io> jammcq: ltsp running in debian-sid, updated today after 3 months,, 265 Mb downloaded, (hmm,, all the main system files updates), restart kdm.... and all is working fine,,, XDD 13:31 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 13:32 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 13:33 -!- morfic_ is now known as morfic 13:38 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 13:53 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 14:05 -!- fortytwo [~fortytwo@h61n2fls34o1104.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 14:10 -!- beans [~josh@66-231-199-141.oxfordnetworks.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:11 < project9> can any one tell how to register to groupp 14:11 < ebb> hmmm maybe ill get this to work soon 14:12 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.151.121] has joined #ltsp 14:12 -!- Gilly [~btw@155-linus.pikabaana.net] has quit ["leaving"] 14:22 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.151.121] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:23 -!- cervajs [~instalac@priv.fpf.slu.cz] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030721]"] 14:24 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-171-64.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 14:28 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: kVanQue 14:29 -!- kVanQue [~kvanque@213.237.70.59.adsl.vby.worldonline.dk] has joined #ltsp 14:33 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.11 [Mozilla rv:1.2.1/20030225]"] 14:34 < UselessKnowldge> jammcq: We've got our workstation booting to an X screen using SCREEN_01=startx but how do we get it to then load a window manager (or another X program?) We tried adding "twm &" as the last line of the screen.d/startx script, but it did not start. 14:35 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: it should be contacting your LTSP server, getting an xdmcp session on that 14:35 < jammcq> none of the X programs run locally. it's all on the server 14:35 < jammcq> if you are getting a blank gray screen, then you prolly don't have your display mgr configured properly 14:36 < UselessKnowldge> Oh ok, yeah, I should've thought of that. 14:44 -!- adam0 [~adam0@host81-129-95-239.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ltsp 14:45 -!- parsley__ [[1jdxMtUxU@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 14:57 -!- arkadi [~arkadi@195.2.117.81] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:58 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:03 -!- parsley_ [[omhFxukxH@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:12 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://geneticnova.ath.cx/"] 15:14 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:16 -!- Trooper [~Trooper@c32051.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #ltsp 15:17 -!- Trooper [~Trooper@c32051.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:22 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:23 -!- wftl [~WFTL@199.243.185.147] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta1 "Eve's Avatar""] 15:24 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:33 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-171-64.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 15:36 < ragnar> jammcq: ping 15:37 < ragnar> hmmm, am i around? 15:37 * ragnar is back (gone 05:02:49) 15:37 < ragnar> now i am 15:37 < jammcq> ragnar: pong 15:37 < ragnar> have ytou heard about a thin client system called nymph? 15:37 < jammcq> no, tell me about it 15:37 < ragnar> apparently IBM is testing it here 15:38 < jammcq> hmm 15:38 < ragnar> it is included in Mandrake and SuSE 15:38 < jammcq> hmm 15:38 < ragnar> I could not find anything on the web 15:39 < bill_c> nymph? not the best ibm name for a product i heard :) 15:39 < ragnar> a guy called Michael brown of Fen Systems in the UK (?) is the author 15:39 < jammcq> ah 15:39 < bill_c> i know michael, good guy 15:39 < jammcq> I know Michael. I didn't know his thing was called nymph 15:39 < ragnar> using clusterfs 15:39 < jammcq> i've played a bit with it on Mandrake. It was interesting, but seemed limited 15:39 < ragnar> ok, IBM is singing and dancing in circles, beats LTSP hands down. I'm sceptical 15:39 < jammcq> relies on a fairly powerful workstation with lots of ram 15:40 < ragnar> ok, but less bandwidth usage 15:40 < jammcq> yeah, doesn't use nfs for root 15:40 < jammcq> but other than that, once the client is booted, it would be the same bandwidth 15:40 < ragnar> ok, then IBM has it wrong 15:41 < bill_c> shouldn't be a big diff, you nfs busybox 15:41 < jammcq> seems like it 15:41 < ragnar> not the first time 15:41 < ragnar> jammcq: you said limited? 15:41 < jammcq> yeah, requires BIG thin clients 15:42 < jammcq> no way to run it on a 32mb client 15:42 < ragnar> ok. hardware is cheap these days, i hear them say 15:42 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:42 < bill_c> not when your a US school :) 15:42 < jammcq> yeah, it is, but what about all those old Pentium and 486's out there 15:43 < jammcq> cheap is one thing, free is yet another 15:43 < ragnar> oh, i agree. 15:43 < ragnar> it's not me you need to convince :-) 15:43 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:43 < jammcq> heh 15:43 < ragnar> but since i could find zilch on the technology, i thought i'd ask 15:44 < jammcq> the nymph guys can have their fun. if what they have is truly useful, we'll grab it and fold it into ltsp 15:44 < ragnar> heh 15:44 < bill_c> they joy of gpl 15:44 < jammcq> nymph is already using some of my ltsp stuff anyway 15:44 < ragnar> ok? 15:44 < bill_c> speaking of folding in, I made some progress on client hardware detection 15:45 < jammcq> cool, what are you detecting ? 15:45 < bill_c> usb, and if usb mouse is used 15:45 < jammcq> ah, sweet. i've got a use for that 15:45 < bill_c> oh and agp 15:45 < jammcq> agp shouldn't be a problem. it's just PCI 15:46 < bill_c> i've got it all working in pieces, just trying to tie together 15:46 < jammcq> how about USB keyboards ? 15:46 < UselessKnowldge> jammcq: How do I kill zombie client sessions? My thinclient keeps crashing because the server says it has too many open sessions already. :-S 15:46 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: are you running GDM ? 15:46 < bill_c> for the most part keyboards too 15:46 < UselessKnowldge> jammcq: Yeah 15:46 < jammcq> heh 15:46 < jammcq> how did I know :) 15:47 < jammcq> you can crank up the number in gdm.conf, but I'd prefer to switch to KDM 15:47 < UselessKnowldge> Should I use kdm or something? 15:47 < bill_c> Uselessknowdge: that was the first thing jamm ever helped me with 15:47 * jammcq has helped alot of people with that :) 15:47 < bill_c> its default is 16 connections 15:47 < UselessKnowldge> Ok. I just picked gdm arbitrarily. I'll make the switch. Thanks. :) 15:47 < bill_c> i like gdm, make the change and it all works 15:48 < UselessKnowldge> Does kdm handle killing off sessions or whatever? 15:48 < jammcq> yes 15:48 < jammcq> kdm handles that properly 15:48 < jammcq> gdm should, but somehow, still doesn't 15:48 < bill_c> http://66.148.191.147/ for gdm login with purty pictures 15:49 < ragnar> bill_c: heh, that's cool. Java? 15:49 < bill_c> jammcq: when i get last of rcscript in for hd schtuff I'll send to ya, maybe you can help me then with the x script 15:49 < bill_c> ragnar: vnc viewer 15:49 < ragnar> it does work sort of, a bit lag though :-) 15:49 < bill_c> yeah crappy inet connection 15:50 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:51 < ragnar> jammcq: there's another thing i've beaten my head against. Remember thos Lex VIA Eden boxes? I can't get USB to work on them 15:51 < jammcq> hmm 15:51 < ragnar> Keeps saying can't register the device 15:51 < ragnar> whatever i stick into it 15:51 < ragnar> pen, mouse, palm cradle, you name it 15:51 < ragnar> kernel issue? 15:51 < jammcq> you could try the ltsp-discuss list. Julius may have seen that problem 15:52 < bill_c> which usb driver you loading for it? 15:52 -!- fortytwo [~fortytwo@h61n2fls34o1104.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:52 < ragnar> ummm, off the top of my head usb-uhci, usbcore, 15:52 < ragnar> what else 15:52 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:52 < bill_c> try the alternate uhci mod 15:53 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:53 < bill_c> i have a 500 mhz eden, and it uses the alternate uhci module 15:53 < ragnar> usb-ohci? 15:53 < ragnar> and usb-storage, that's it 15:54 < ragnar> plus fat, vfat, msdos, scis and whatnot 15:54 < ragnar> bill_c: ok, mine's 533 via eden 15:54 < bill_c> try uhci insteal of usb-uhci 15:55 < ragnar> eh? not usb-uhci, just uhci? 15:55 < bill_c> yeah, via chipsets prefer the alternate driver 15:56 < ragnar> hmmm, canæt find it in jammcqs kernel 15:56 < bill_c> pull down his init package and its easy to roll your own 15:56 < ragnar> but then it's only 3.0.7 or 2.4.19 15:57 < ragnar> yea, time's the only problem. But i need to get round to it. 15:57 < bill_c> use the 3.0.10 kernal package and init scripts and you can building a .21 15:57 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:57 < ragnar> jammcq: have you got your .config handy for the latest ltsp v3 kernel? is just ohci in there? 15:58 < jammcq> CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=m 15:58 < jammcq> CONFIG_USB_UHCI=m 15:58 < jammcq> CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT=m 15:58 < jammcq> CONFIG_USB_OHCI=m 15:59 < bill_c> hmm should i get the silver jag or the blue 15:59 < bill_c> i hate that commericial, makes me feel like crap :) 15:59 < ragnar> right, thanks jammcq, i need my own then 15:59 < ragnar> what, a gpl jag? where? 15:59 < jammcq> bill_c: you mean the ford taurus with some extra trim ? 16:00 < bill_c> haha yeah 16:00 < ragnar> ah, you americans. commercial as en ad. 16:00 < bill_c> yeah an ad is on paper :) 16:01 < UselessKnowldge> jammcq: I switched to using kdm, but now my workstations all crash when they boot into X... saying something about "Manager unwilling, host unwilling." I set "Enable=true" in the kdmrc file. Know what's up with that? 16:01 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 16:02 < UselessKnowldge> (Enable=true under the xdmcp section of kdmrc, that is) 16:02 < ragnar> thanks again for the help, guys. I'm off to bed 16:02 -!- ranger [~baude@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:02 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: yuo need an entry in /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess that starts with a '*' 16:02 < jammcq> it is commented out by default 16:02 * ragnar is away: Off to greener pastures 16:03 < jammcq> g'nite 16:04 < UselessKnowldge> Thx alot. That worked. heh 16:04 < bill_c> you should sell answers for a nickle, would be a billionaire 16:12 < UselessKnowldge> Ok. For my NEXT question, why doesn't autologin work? I've setup kdm using the kdmrc entries as specified on the ltsp site, but they're still booting to a graphical login prompt. 16:15 -!- ebb [0@82-44-187-118.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:16 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EF53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:18 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:22 < UselessKnowldge> Ideas? Anyone? Jammcq? Get too tired of my questions? lol 16:24 < bill_c> http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/autologin_kdm.html 16:24 < UselessKnowldge> Yeah. That's what I used. 16:25 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:25 < bill_c> i've never done autologin, so thats all I can offer :) 16:25 < UselessKnowldge> I added the [X-ws001:0-Core] entry, but it's still giving me a prompt. 16:25 < UselessKnowldge> Thanks, though. hehe 16:30 < UselessKnowldge> Found the answer. You may be interested in changing the tutorial on the web site. 16:30 -!- lemon [~lemon@bkg830uly23lj.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ltsp 16:30 -!- lemon is now known as ltsp_newbie 16:30 < UselessKnowldge> It needs the fully-qualified hostname. Instead of [X-ws001:0-Core], I had to put [X-ws001.ltsp:0-Core] 16:31 < ltsp_newbie> hello there, does anybody has idea of error message "no dhcpd-eth0.info"? 16:34 < UselessKnowldge> Ok. Now... how would I go about starting my own program instead of KDE? 16:36 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:36 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 16:42 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip41-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 16:42 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:46 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:46 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has joined #ltsp 16:47 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 16:54 -!- samba117 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 16:56 < samba117> jammcq:is any one using video on thin clients ?/is it possible 16:56 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:57 -!- Mr_TRaNS [~Thomas@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 16:59 -!- Mr_TRaNS [~Thomas@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:01 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 17:09 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:10 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 17:13 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 17:18 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://geneticnova.ath.cx/"] 17:19 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 17:20 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E191.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:22 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.169] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:30 -!- ltsp_newbie [~lemon@bkg830uly23lj.bc.hsia.telus.net] has left #ltsp [] 17:34 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.44] has joined #ltsp 17:35 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:38 < jammcq> samba117: "video" explain 17:41 < robbie> ?? 17:41 < robbie> hi jim 17:41 < jammcq> hey robbie 17:41 < robbie> the carpet man is in my office right now :) 17:41 < jammcq> robbie: you did some scanner stuff, didn't you ? 17:41 < robbie> pc is in the dining room 17:41 < jammcq> heh 17:41 < robbie> jammcq: yep, works very well 17:41 < robbie> i got it running in a couple places now 17:41 < robbie> i guess i should try get it in ltsp4 17:42 < jammcq> I wanna buy a scanner. anything special I should look for ? 17:42 < robbie> HP 17:42 < jammcq> is USB ok ? 17:42 < robbie> HP sorta sponsors the sane project 17:43 < robbie> ya 17:43 < jammcq> cool 17:43 < robbie> http://www.mostang.com/sane 17:43 < robbie> they have a list of compatible scanners 17:44 < jammcq> I was just at OfficeMax today, looking. they've got HP and Visioneer 17:44 < jammcq> looking at the sane page, I see ALL of the visioneers are UNSUPPORTED 17:44 < robbie> http://panda.mostang.com/sane/sane-mfgs.html#VISIONEER 17:45 < robbie> one col thing about sane is it also supports generic v4l, so video cameras are also supported 17:45 < robbie> havent used that bit though 17:46 < jammcq> I guess if I go with HP USB, I better take the list with me. they show several of them as not supported 17:47 < robbie> look sso 17:47 < robbie> theres also a sane-twain interface that allows you to hook windows boxes to a sane scanner over the network 17:47 < jammcq> well, this is a project for a customer 17:47 < jammcq> they've got a need for scanning documents in, and I'll store them in a database 17:48 < robbie> aha 17:48 < jammcq> then, they need to display the docs on the screen, or print them 17:48 < robbie> from nix ? 17:48 < jammcq> they have about 25 LTSP terminals and about 50 Windows PCs 17:48 < jammcq> all served by a Unix box 17:48 < robbie> well sane should work well 17:48 < jammcq> so, I should be able to use an Xserver on the windows boxes for displaying the images 17:48 < robbie> you can choose from gui or console frontends 17:49 < bill_c> i have 60 terminals using scanner hanging off one of the terminals 17:49 < jammcq> all the scanning will be done using LTSP terminals 17:49 < bill_c> using hp usb scanner 17:49 < jammcq> prolly 17:49 < bill_c> works very well 17:49 < jammcq> probably several scanners scattered around the office 17:49 < robbie> i guess on that note i should make some package.defs for sane on ltsp4 17:49 < jammcq> heh 17:50 < robbie> sane supports choosing scanner 17:50 < robbie> its one of those GPL projects thats been done very well 17:50 < jammcq> well, I need to get a scanner and start playing 17:50 < bill_c> install gimp first and sane will install scripts hooking into gimp 17:50 < jammcq> do I need gimp ? 17:50 < robbie> no 17:51 < bill_c> no xsane will do job 17:51 < jammcq> k 17:51 < bill_c> but its nice to have 17:51 < robbie> and you can use console 17:51 < robbie> scanimage 17:51 < jammcq> well, in January, i'll be upgrading their SCO box to a nice big Linux box 17:51 < robbie> haha 17:51 < jammcq> I may have to wait until then before I can complete this project 17:51 < bill_c> bleh 17:51 < robbie> poor sco, they just got fined in germany 17:51 < jammcq> saw that 17:51 < bill_c> yeah 10,000 17:51 < jammcq> makes me giggle 17:52 < jammcq> 10k is nothing to them 17:52 < robbie> thats 14 linux licenses they got fined :) 17:52 < bill_c> yeah not with ms backing them 17:52 < robbie> probably their entire linux profit to date LP 17:52 < robbie> :P 17:52 < robbie> even 17:52 < jammcq> there's some speculation that HP is one that purchased the Linux license from sco, but i'd be really surprised 17:53 < bill_c> yeah i don't see that something they would do 17:53 < jammcq> well, HP was singled out by SCO, when they said that SCO would definately NOT be going after HP 17:54 < jammcq> so why would SCO say that, makes me wonder 17:54 < robbie> HP is a funny linux 'partner' 17:54 < bill_c> they did merge with compaq :) 17:54 < robbie> i was lucky to have a chat with Bdale Garbee at Linuxconf last year 17:54 < jammcq> well, HP certainly has alot of Linux guys on their team 17:54 < robbie> he is one of the parisc and ia64 guys 17:54 < jammcq> yeah, I've spent lots of time with Bdale 17:55 < bill_c> i don't get to meet anyone :( 17:55 < robbie> had some funny stories to tell :) 17:55 < jammcq> met him down in Brasil, and then spent more time with him in Ottawa 17:55 < robbie> like when the linux and hp guys had their OS ready for ia64 17:55 < jammcq> he's now a VP at hp 17:55 < robbie> back in 5 17:56 < bill_c> epson has good scanner support as well 17:58 < robbie> anyhow on the day of the great onturning of the ia64 box, hp guys went first, it wouldnt boot and they ran off with their hard drive to fix whatever it was 17:58 < robbie> when they got back, bdale and the linux guys were playing xgalaga :) 18:02 < bill_c> wee, got ltsp and openmosix working 18:02 < robbie> you guys hear telstra (.au telco monopoly) is switching desktops to linux :) 18:02 < jammcq> yes, I ready about that 18:02 < robbie> about the only good thing i've heard about them in 10 years 18:02 < jammcq> I scanned the article, looking for ltsp, but didn't see anything 18:03 < robbie> ya 18:03 < robbie> they seem to be using wyse terms 18:03 < jammcq> wyse thin clients, or good ole wyse-60 terminals ? 18:03 < robbie> jammcq: went to a talk by the local MYSQL AB guy the other night 18:03 < robbie> duno 18:03 -!- samba117 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 18:04 < robbie> very interesting how they model their business to allow companies to use GPL with their proprietry stuff and not have to worry about GPL 18:06 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:06 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 18:06 < robbie> carpet man is almost done :) 18:07 < jammcq> yeah, Mysql has a local guy ? 18:07 < jammcq> err, Mysql AB 18:07 < jammcq> I've met the 2 founders of Mysql AND Mysql AB 18:08 < robbie> well as he mentioned, they are a distributed comapny 18:08 < robbie> Arjen Lentz 18:08 < robbie> he works from home and runs the mysql training here in South East Queensland 18:08 < jammcq> Oh, I know David Axmark and Monty Weidenus 18:08 < robbie> hehe, SE QLD Mysql office resides in a little laptop :) 18:08 < MetaCosm> man founders :) 18:08 < robbie> ooh ohh 18:09 < MetaCosm> s/man/many 18:09 < robbie> jammcq: did i tell you i had a chat to one of the guys on the Linuxconf.au papers commitee last sat night :) 18:09 < robbie> guess who i put in a good work for? 18:09 < robbie> word even 18:10 < jammcq> ooooooh 18:10 < jammcq> sweet 18:11 < robbie> if you make it down you would probably get along well with Raymond Smith 18:11 < robbie> hes the guy who organised me to do my talk last year, one of the more socialy well adjusted geeks round these parts 18:11 < robbie> and president of our unix group 18:13 < MetaCosm> bah 18:13 < MetaCosm> socially well adjusted 18:13 < MetaCosm> who needs it! 18:13 < robbie> hehe 18:13 < robbie> snafu 18:13 -!- WX [~chris@67.107.24.66.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:13 < MetaCosm> give me a Paul Flint anyday -- completely insane, works at the pentagon, has the attention span of a 3 year old, is around 40-50 years old and has children, a wife and a nice home 18:13 < MetaCosm> and has managed to stay 18:13 < robbie> i'd like to meet snafu in person, guys like him are often rather quiet face to face 18:13 < MetaCosm> totally insane 18:14 < robbie> jammcq: ive got sane built for ltsp4 18:14 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:15 < robbie> jammcq: hey no xinetd ? 18:15 * robbie builds that too 18:15 < MetaCosm> you think snafu would be quiet in real life? 18:15 * MetaCosm somehow doubts that :) 18:16 < robbie> well typicaly online extroverts are making up for being quiet in person 18:16 < bill_c> btw ltsp4 is really slick, good work all 18:18 -!- Spec [~Spec@washdc3-ar5-4-64-184-054.washdc3.elnk.dsl.genuity.net] has joined #ltsp 18:19 < Spec> Hello, it seems whenever three or more clients try to "mount the root file system" all the clients stop working (lag-seeming), and tcpdump goes "Crazy", is this a common problem? If so, what's the solution? 18:23 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:27 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:32 < jammcq> robbie: i'm back. got interrupted by a ph call 18:32 < jammcq> so, you got xinetd built yet ? 18:32 * jammcq is surprised that we didn't have that already 18:32 < robbie> just downloaded it 18:33 < jammcq> bill_c: hey, glad to hear you like ltsp-4 18:34 < jammcq> all we gotta do is finish it 18:35 < robbie> jammcq: xinetd is built 18:35 < arc_> jammcq: I have a way to set the keyboard "dinamicly" to the script that start the X windows on the remote terminals 18:35 < robbie> have to make config though 18:35 < robbie> unless you already have one you want to use 18:35 < jammcq> config for what ? 18:35 < jammcq> arc_: I don't understand what you have 18:35 < robbie> for xinetd 18:35 < arc_> jammcq: hum... 18:36 < jammcq> robbie: ah, I don't have one now, you can create it 18:36 < jammcq> if you'd like :) 18:36 < arc_> jammcq: I have a way to set the keyboard layout 18:36 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:36 < robbie> jammcq: we could use the config from ltsp3 ? 18:36 < jammcq> robbie: sure 18:36 < jammcq> arc_: are you talking ltsp-3 or ltsp-4 ? 18:36 < arc_> jammcq: 3 18:37 < robbie> hmm, so would the config be included in the same dir as xinetd package.def or in the ltsptree ? 18:38 < jammcq> the config would be in the ltsp-src/xinetd, along side the package.def 18:38 < robbie> okeys 18:38 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 18:40 < robbie> jammcq: you including rexec, rsh and rlogin in ltsp4 ? 18:41 < bill_c> robbie: ssh would be nice if possible :) 18:41 < robbie> ssh to the terminal ? 18:42 < bill_c> yeah 18:42 < robbie> too ? 18:42 < bill_c> I use ssh to the terminals for openmosix and ltsp 18:42 < jammcq> robbie: yeah, we don't have the r utils yet, but need them 18:42 < robbie> ok 18:44 < Spec> jammcq: When 3 or more of my clients boot up at the same time the entire lab freezes (except for the server), and the three booting clients stop at "mounting root filesystem". Is there a cure for this? 18:45 < bill_c> any interesing errors in message log? 18:45 < Spec> no 18:45 < Spec> tcpdump goes crazy though 18:45 < bill_c> what distro/version 18:46 < Spec> debian-stable, ltsp verson = 3 18:47 < bill_c> hmm got me, maybe someone else will come along that knows 18:48 < Spec> thanks anyways 18:48 < jammcq> Spec: i've heard some people having trouble with nfs on debian 18:48 < jammcq> something about kernel vs userspace nfs 18:48 < jammcq> but typically, they couldn't get any clients booted, until they got that straightened out 18:48 < Spec> well, half the lab boots 18:48 < Spec> if i do it one by one 18:48 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 18:49 < Spec> and then the rest kinda dies as said 18:49 < bill_c> Spec: in gentoo /etc/conf.d/nfs is the nfs config file, in there you can control how many nfs servers start, don't know if debian has something similiar, or if it even matters. 18:51 < Spec> doesn't exist. 18:51 < Spec> I think i'll try k12ltsp again...and hopefully have better luck. 18:51 < jammcq> k12ltsp is on Redhat tho 18:51 < Spec> I know, i'll install it onto a different harddrive. 18:52 < bill_c> # Number of servers to be started up by default 18:52 < bill_c> RPCNFSDCOUNT=8 18:52 < bill_c> is the setting, maybe you see that in some other nfs file 18:52 < Spec> I'll go check. 18:54 < Spec> I can't seem to find it. 18:55 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 18:57 -!- Spec [~Spec@washdc3-ar5-4-64-184-054.washdc3.elnk.dsl.genuity.net] has quit ["k12ltsp time."] 19:12 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [] 19:12 -!- ufo__ [ufo@zzi.il.pw.edu.pl] has joined #ltsp 19:15 -!- ufo_ [ufo@zzi.il.pw.edu.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:17 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 19:24 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.44] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:25 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.44] has joined #ltsp 19:37 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 19:37 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.16.30] has joined #ltsp 19:37 < dida> hi all 19:37 < dida> is jim here? 19:38 < jammcq> hey dida 19:40 < dida> hi 19:40 < dida> i've made new version of my billing system 19:40 < jammcq> cool 19:41 < dida> i'll send the file to you soon 19:41 < jammcq> ok, great 19:41 < dida> what's your email again? 19:42 -!- monkeydiver [lfesdail@ool-43517d01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:47 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.16.30] has quit ["Client exiting"] 19:52 * greendisease is away: ironing shirts, unfortunately 20:05 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 20:10 -!- Rahl [Rahl@washdc3-ar5-4-35-124-068.washdc3.elnk.dsl.genuity.net] has joined #ltsp 20:11 < Rahl> k12ltsp yielded the same results, that leads me to believe it's a hardware problem, but i can't think of what would cause such a problem... 20:11 -!- Rahl is now known as Spec 20:12 < jammcq> could be a switch problem 20:12 < jammcq> not handling collisions very well 20:12 < jammcq> have you cycled the power on the switch ? 20:13 < Spec> I switched the switched 20:13 < Spec> both switches i have yield same results 20:14 < Spec> Does redhat handle gigabit ethernet adapters well? Because that's the only other thing I can think of that might possibly be a problem.. 20:14 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.44] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:15 < jammcq> I dunno about gigabit 20:15 < jammcq> i'm sure it handles some of them just fine 20:15 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.44] has joined #ltsp 20:15 < Spec> Well, at any rate, this isn't a common problem i take it. 20:18 -!- Spec [Rahl@washdc3-ar5-4-35-124-068.washdc3.elnk.dsl.genuity.net] has quit ["ah well."] 20:19 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has quit ["Client exiting"] 20:23 -!- parsley_ [[NlpSBzqtz@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 20:25 -!- Zeus [~user@200.89.52.143] has joined #ltsp 20:25 < Zeus> hi 20:26 -!- parsley__ [[1jdxMtUxU@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:27 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 20:31 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 20:34 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 20:34 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:53 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 21:06 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-3-212-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 21:16 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.44] has quit ["Client exiting"] 21:58 -!- bjohnson_ [~bjohnson@ip229-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 22:06 -!- robbie_ [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 22:06 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:12 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:25 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip41-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:27 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 22:59 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["back to 2.00GHz"] 23:02 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:26 -!- penguini [~peter@winax19-128.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ltsp 23:27 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@139.130.102.2] has joined #ltsp 23:29 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.43] has joined #ltsp 23:32 -!- mjk [~mimp@ool-435650c0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 23:33 < Zeus> I have a doubt, I can use the cd-rom unit of a terminal ? 23:34 -!- mjk [~mimp@ool-435650c0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:43 < bill_c> yes 23:44 < Zeus> yes!!! 23:44 < Zeus> and the floppy ? 23:44 < bill_c> yeah 23:44 < bill_c> download the mtools package from ltsp.org 23:44 -!- UselessKnowldge [~useless@oh-ironton-u1-c511a-11.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:44 < bill_c> there sare some how-to's in the contrib and doc's area 23:47 < Zeus> thnx man 23:50 < Zeus> I can't found the package 23:52 < bill_c> ltsp_rmedia-3.0.1-i386.tgz 23:52 < Zeus> thnx 23:52 < bill_c> or ltsp_floppyd-3.0.tar.gz 23:53 < Zeus> are the same ? 23:53 < bill_c> check out both, i think rmedia is cdrom and floppy don't remember 23:53 -!- mjk [~mimp@ool-435650c0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 23:53 < Zeus> oki 23:54 < mjk> How do I start x or twm autologin and start an application? 23:55 < bill_c> http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/autologin_kdm.html 23:55 < Zeus> We now have a document describing how to configure KDM to allow auto-login. --> that can help you mjk 23:55 < Zeus> uff 23:55 < Zeus> bill_c: :) 23:56 < bill_c> i have most the docs bookmarked :) 23:56 < mjk> I think kdm would be overkill though, would the doc help with twm? 23:56 < mjk> Maybe I just don't understand the difference between gdm, kdm and twm :) 23:57 < mjk> is kdm for kde? 23:57 < Zeus> mjk: kdm != kde 23:57 < bill_c> you can mix and match 23:57 < bill_c> kde is written by kde people 23:57 < bill_c> gmd by gnome 23:57 < Zeus> I'm using kdm and gnome :) 23:57 < bill_c> but i use gdm with kde 23:57 < Zeus> gdm 23:57 < bill_c> gdm might be causeing me some login zombies 23:58 < bill_c> so I might swith to kdm and see if probs go away 23:58 < Zeus> hye bill_c 23:58 < bill_c> i don't know if twm supports autologin 23:58 < mjk> but in order to use kdm I would need some kde libraies no ? 23:58 < Zeus> I can't found the doc to cdrom :( 23:58 < Zeus> mjk: yup 23:59 < bill_c> i think you can treat the cdrom like the rmedia 23:59 < mjk> hmm I was looking to keep the install to a minimum since it was just one app I need to launch :( --- Day changed Wed Sep 03 2003 00:00 < bill_c> install doesn't affect the clients any 00:01 < mjk> that true too :) 00:01 -!- penguini [~peter@winax19-128.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 00:01 < mjk> is ltsp based out of the east coast or w coast? 00:01 < bill_c> dev's are all over, jamm is in midwest i think 00:02 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@139.130.102.2] has quit ["cu"] 00:02 < mjk> does anyone know of a lug in CT? 00:03 < bill_c> i think www.linux.org has a link to a bunch of lugs 00:03 < mjk> does anyone want some cool ltsp clients? 00:03 < mjk> you would have to come pick them up but they would be free 00:03 < mjk> in CT 00:03 < mjk> check it out 00:03 < mjk> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/ 00:04 < mjk> I sold all those but now I got a new shipment and thought I would donate some if anyone is interested 00:05 < bill_c> they look cool, but I'm far from ct :( 00:06 < bill_c> are they very loud? 00:07 < mjk> no actually they are fairly quite, I have several running and have actually removed the fanssince the aluminum is more then sufficiant at cooling the internals 00:12 < Zeus> juas 00:13 -!- bjohnson_ is now known as bjohnson 00:14 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 00:17 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has joined #ltsp 00:20 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip229-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:21 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:25 < mjk> goodnight 00:25 -!- mjk [~mimp@ool-435650c0.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ltsp [] 00:31 < Zeus> bill_c: where are you from ? 00:36 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:37 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has joined #ltsp 00:37 < Zeus> hi mistik1 00:43 -!- manimay__ [~mani@p50808F4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 00:48 -!- manimay_ [~mani@pD954498F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:53 -!- Faithful [~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 00:55 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 00:55 < Zeus> uff 00:55 < Zeus> good night everybody 00:56 -!- brainless is now known as brainless_afk 00:56 -!- brainless_afk is now known as brainless_zzzz 01:00 -!- spacejock [~ester@i009-070.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ltsp 01:02 < spacejock> I'm installing an LTSP setup to a local school (donating my time and hardware). I wondered whether there are any online resources explaining how to fix KDE menus for all users, etc? 01:14 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.43] has quit ["Client exiting"] 01:14 -!- spacejock [~ester@i009-070.nv.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 01:23 -!- Zeus [~user@200.89.52.143] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:23 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:10 -!- brainless_zzzz [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:16 < MetaCosm> spacejock -- what level of school ? 02:35 -!- mSlicker [~matthew@adm235077.urel.wsu.edu] has joined #ltsp 02:37 < mSlicker> kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount fs on 01:00 02:37 < mSlicker> What's this mean?? 02:37 < mSlicker> Anyone? 02:37 < mSlicker> Is this a problem with my LTSP kernal image? 02:38 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 02:39 < mSlicker> Anyone know what this means: kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount fs on 01:00 02:42 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has joined #ltsp 02:56 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 02:57 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 02:57 -!- robbie_ [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:01 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 03:15 -!- AdamPalmer [~adamp@213.177.232.154] has quit [] 03:32 < mSlicker> kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount fs on 01:00 03:33 < mSlicker> Anyone know what to do?? It's the latest RH distro.. 03:42 -!- fortytwo [~fortytwo@h61n2fls34o1104.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 03:46 -!- PleaseHELP [~pleasehel@c-66-94-biz2.mts.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:25 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 04:39 -!- aflinta [aflinta@printserver.komandos.krakow.pl] has joined #ltsp 04:39 < aflinta> hi 04:39 < aflinta> how can I setup USB mouse on workstation with ltsp 3.0? 04:45 -!- tripz__ [~ville@as13-5-6.ld.bonet.se] has joined #ltsp 04:48 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 05:04 < fortytwo> anyone here uses the "skolelinux" projekt? 05:04 < fortytwo> (ie. a debian ltsp server.) 05:06 -!- mSlicker [~matthew@adm235077.urel.wsu.edu] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 05:07 < fortytwo> guess everybodys working and stuff 05:07 < fortytwo> well, i come back later 05:20 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:20 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has joined #ltsp 05:37 -!- ebb [0@82-44-187-118.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 05:38 < ebb> hi ppl 05:38 < ebb> dont worry that dont mean i got a question ;) 05:40 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:49 < robbie> hey Yngwie 05:51 < Yngwie> hey Robbie, when you in Sydney? 05:51 < robbie> duno 05:51 < robbie> have to wait for the customer to be ready 05:51 < robbie> i just got my office carpeted today, has that nice smell like a new house :) 05:51 < robbie> and its toasty warm 05:52 < Yngwie> yeah always nice. rolled around on it yet? 05:52 < robbie> haha, no 05:52 < robbie> short pile 05:52 < robbie> i still have an ingrained fear of my office floor, have had concrete for 9 months 05:52 < Yngwie> ok. we have had major meetings with Sun. they are really making a push into education in NSW 05:52 < robbie> and it was a shitty concrete 05:52 < robbie> nie 05:52 < robbie> nice even 05:53 < robbie> i see telstra is comitted to moving to linux desktop 05:53 < Yngwie> i see where they are putting out their own brand of linux. 05:53 < Yngwie> yeah telstra uses SUN One as their underlying platform 05:53 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:54 < Yngwie> doing any ltsp installs? 05:55 < robbie> did one a little while ago 05:55 < robbie> quoting on another soon 05:55 < Yngwie> biggish ones? 05:55 < robbie> none use linux desktop, i use ltsp to support win2k term services 05:55 < robbie> smallish, round 10 terms 05:56 < Yngwie> do you use ltsp to boot windows clients using www.wilisystem.org or your own scripts? 05:56 < robbie> own 05:56 < robbie> ive incorporated them into ltsp4 05:56 < robbie> and just added sane to ltsp4 this morning 05:56 < robbie> needs to be tested though 05:57 < Yngwie> you have incorporated the scripts in ltsp 4? 05:57 < robbie> yes 05:57 < robbie> you just specify a screen for rdesktop 05:58 < Yngwie> the load on the ltsp server would be minimal too! 05:58 < robbie> very, i use it to provide email and file and print services and authentication for the terminal server 05:58 < robbie> the 2k box is just an app server 05:58 < Yngwie> getting warmer up your way 05:58 < robbie> ya 05:58 < Yngwie> great isnt it 05:59 < Yngwie> friday in Sydney is 25 deg 05:59 < robbie> ooh 05:59 < Yngwie> are your w2k term serv's 2000 or 2003? 06:00 < robbie> 2000 06:00 < t0m> what are the advantages of using ltsp to support win2k term services? 06:01 < robbie> will use 2003 soon, just waiting for high colour to go into rdesktop stable 06:01 < robbie> you dont need a bunch of shitty win98 clients 06:01 < t0m> true, does it work for citrix as well? 06:01 < Yngwie> i dont know how M$ can market "thin client" when you need to have a windows client on your machines. joke 06:01 < robbie> well you could incorporate the citrix supplied client , yes 06:02 < robbie> rdp is excellent 06:02 < t0m> nice 06:02 < robbie> specialy over a slow network 06:02 < robbie> though X's network transparency kills rdp on a lan 06:02 < t0m> rdp is the ms protocol ? 06:02 < robbie> specialy running opengl apps :) 06:02 < robbie> like quake :) 06:02 < robbie> well its a protocol they use 06:03 < t0m> www.wilisystem.org <= that url doesn't seem to be working 06:04 < t0m> robbie: are you doing a lot of ltsp-related business? 06:04 < robbie> a bit, it forms a small part of my business 06:04 < Yngwie> http://www.wilisystem.com/ 06:05 < t0m> hmm .. all images are broken :( 06:06 < Yngwie> hmm strange 06:07 < Yngwie> hey robbie, are you scripts on www.ltsp.org for dowenload? 06:07 < robbie> no 06:07 < Yngwie> ok. 06:07 < robbie> they should be in ltsp4 though 06:07 < robbie> Yngwie: i had to do a very ugly hack to get them working in ltsp3 properly 06:08 < robbie> in ltsp4 they are incorporated in nicely 06:08 < Yngwie> ok. is ltsp4 much better than 3 performance wise or just installation method 06:08 < robbie> basicly i had to slip in a set of incompatible libraries 06:08 < robbie> well rdesktop will perform alot better 06:09 < Yngwie> ok thats what i want. obviosuly use need a pxe kernel for that too. 06:09 < robbie> no 06:10 < robbie> etherboot will work 06:10 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 06:11 < Yngwie> no floppy drives on my clients 06:12 < Yngwie> is it hard to set up pxe boot kernels 06:12 < fortytwo> aha, there's a .ebuild for ltsp4 in gentoo 06:12 < fortytwo> gonna try. 06:12 < Yngwie> emerge -? 06:13 < fortytwo> emerge emerge -pv /usr/portage/net-misc/ltsp-core/ltsp-core-4.0_beta1.ebuild 06:13 < fortytwo> sweetness. 06:13 < Yngwie> how do you compare gentoo to other distros forty? 06:15 < fortytwo> Yngwie: i like it. 06:15 < fortytwo> it's clean. 06:15 < fortytwo> got good docs (important for me) 06:15 < robbie> its be excellent for desktop machines 06:15 < fortytwo> bsd like "portage" system 06:15 < robbie> it'd even 06:16 < robbie> duno if i'd use it for a server though 06:16 < Yngwie> just all that compiling is slooooooooooow 06:16 < robbie> major upgrades can be devastating 06:16 < robbie> Yngwie: its slow on old boxen 06:16 < fortytwo> and it's easy to get everything optimized (lik specifing -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer etc as CFLAGS to gcc) 06:16 < robbie> but look at the satisfaction of a roll your own ! :P 06:16 < fortytwo> Yngwie: well, use grp then 06:17 < Yngwie> fair enough i suppose 06:17 < fortytwo> you can use precombiled stuff too. 06:17 < robbie> fortytwo: funny enough, i saw a story where an optimised gentoo box performed markedly slower than a debian install 06:17 < fortytwo> compiled. 06:17 < robbie> which was odd 06:17 < fortytwo> robbie: it iss. 06:17 < fortytwo> is 06:17 < robbie> it is slower ? 06:17 < fortytwo> robbie: thats not my exeprince at all. 06:17 < robbie> ya, well thats not what i would expect either 06:18 < fortytwo> my gentoo boxes feels faster (never made any benchmarkin though) 06:18 < robbie> you running 2.6 ? 06:18 < fortytwo> not yet no 06:18 < fortytwo> still 2.4.21 06:18 < robbie> its quite workable for a desktop box, i been using it for a while now 06:18 < robbie> burning cd's is the best 06:18 < robbie> no more dev=1,1,1, just dev=/dev/hdb 06:18 < robbie> with dma :) 06:18 < fortytwo> i use it for my desktop and for fileserver / webserver. 06:19 < fortytwo> and i still use bsd for other stuff like firewall and trafficshaper. 06:20 < fortytwo> got a question; i just looked at the "skolelinux" projekt site (debian with a new installer and ltsp); they use "SSL/TLS based authentication" 06:20 < fortytwo> how's that possible with xdmcp? 06:21 < robbie> good point 06:21 < fortytwo> (guess you could use stunnel etc) 06:21 < robbie> its not 06:21 < fortytwo> ah, wierd 06:21 < fortytwo> gott check that out. 06:21 < robbie> ipsec from server to client :P 06:22 < fortytwo> robbie: you could do that. 06:22 < fortytwo> not to reccomend for a thin client though, - will be slow on old hw. 06:22 < robbie> ya 06:23 < fortytwo> btw, the best thing with gentoo is that stuff is updated. i like that 06:23 < fortytwo> no more add all sorts of unofficial apt sources just to install new stuff. 06:26 < ebb> hi i compiled my kernel for my terminals and i want to add the ramdisk to it how do i do this the documentation does not say 06:27 < ebb> i got my bzImage 06:27 < robbie> download the ltsp_initrd kit 06:27 < ebb> got it 06:28 < robbie> read the build script 06:30 < fortytwo> there will be ipsec support for ltsp4? 06:31 < fortytwo> i read that on the mailinglist now? 06:31 < fortytwo> seems cool. 06:32 < ebb> ok working now ta 06:32 < ebb> m8 06:39 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:39 < ebb> getting this now ./buildk: line 498: mknbi-linux: command not found 06:39 < ebb> ls: /ltsp_initrd_kit/vmlinuz-2.4.21: No such file or directory 06:42 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 06:46 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 06:52 < ebb> hmm i would of thought the initrd kit would come with mknbi-linux 06:54 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 06:54 < fortytwo> ebb: you need to install syslinux etc. 06:55 < ebb> where that ? 06:55 < fortytwo> emerge sys-apps/syslinux 06:55 < fortytwo> or whatever 06:55 -!- heino [heino@p508E29F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 06:55 < fortytwo> (depending on your distribution) 06:56 < ebb> thnx forty two 06:57 < ebb> hmm no emerge cmd 07:00 -!- drzero [~abo@130.226.232.144] has joined #ltsp 07:01 < fortytwo> ebb: what dist 07:01 < ebb> slackware 07:01 < fortytwo> (emerge is for gentoo) 07:01 < fortytwo> ebb: go find a slackware package or the source 07:01 < ebb> okies thnx 07:03 < fortytwo> http://www.slackware.com/pb/?vers=slackware-current&set=a 07:03 < fortytwo> or choss right ver of slackware 07:03 < fortytwo> and download and install syslinux 07:05 < drzero> I have installed ltsp-core-3.0.9-r3 on a gentoo server and I can boot my two testclients but I can't get danish keyboard to work. I have set XkbModel=pc105, XkbLayout=dk and XkbSymbols=dk but it still goes for US, and backspace doesn't work.. anybody know how to get it to work? 07:05 < jammcq> drzero: on your server, do this: ldconfig -r /opt/ltsp/i386 07:06 < ebb> hmm still no mknbi 07:06 < drzero> jammcq: won't that disrupt other programs on the server?.. shouldn't it be somewhere in the start scripts for the clients? 07:07 < jammcq> no, not if you do the '-r /opt/ltsp/i386', that causes it to chroot to that dir 07:07 < jammcq> can't do it in the startup script of the client, cuz /opt/ltsp/i386 is mounted read-only 07:07 < drzero> jammcq: okay, I'll try it.. 07:07 < jammcq> it should be part of the ltsp installation, but isn't 07:09 < drzero> jammcq: no dice, still got the same problem.. 07:09 < jammcq> hmm, that works for everyone else 07:09 < drzero> jammcq: Do I need to restart X on the server afterwards or something like that? 07:09 < ebb> cant i just download a package for mknbi-linux ? 07:09 < jammcq> nope, just reboot the client 07:10 < jammcq> did you reboot the client ? 07:10 < drzero> jammcq: I did that and the problem is still there.. 07:10 < jammcq> can you email your lts.conf file to me at jam@ltsp.org ? 07:10 < jammcq> ebb: you need mknbi-linux ? Go to the etherboot website. that's where it is 07:10 < morfic> greetings 07:10 < drzero> jammcq: sure thing, 2 seconds.. 07:11 < ebb> thnx jammcq 07:11 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 07:11 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has joined #ltsp 07:12 -!- parsley__ [[me65m5ReZ@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 07:12 < drzero> jammcq: sent.. 07:12 < jammcq> drzero: received 07:13 < jammcq> drzero: are you sure the clients know their own hostname ? 07:13 < jammcq> which client are you working on ? 07:14 < drzero> jammcq: yes, I have fiddled with XSERVER for test1 and test2 to make them start (Xfree 4.1 won't autodetect their gfx cards :( ) .. I am working on test1 right now 07:14 < jammcq> ok 07:16 < jammcq> drzero: can you do this: grep root-path /etc/dhcpd.conf 07:17 < drzero> gorm root # grep root-path /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf 07:17 < drzero> option root-path "130.226.232.135:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 07:17 < jammcq> ok 07:17 < jammcq> check the timestamp on /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ld.so.cache 07:18 < jammcq> lets see if it got updated by ldconfig 07:18 < drzero> jammcq: it did.. 14:13 today is it's timestamp 07:18 < jammcq> hmm 07:19 < jammcq> it should just work 07:19 < jammcq> and you've completely rebooted the client ? 07:20 < drzero> jammcq: I just tried switching to VC1 on the client and there is an Xkb error there.. 2 secs.. 07:20 < jammcq> try setting RUNLEVEL=3 07:20 < jammcq> and booting 07:21 < drzero> jammcq: xkbcomp error: Cannot open "compiled/server-0.xkm" 07:21 < jammcq> hmm 07:21 < drzero> jammcq: to write keyboard description 07:21 < drzero> there is one more.. 07:22 < drzero> cannot find file "aliases" 07:22 < jammcq> ok, do this on the server: cd /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb 07:22 < jammcq> then, do this: ls -l compiled 07:23 < drzero> ls: compiled: No such file or directory 07:23 < jammcq> ok, type this: ln -s /tmp/compiled compiled 07:23 < drzero> and then reboot the client? 07:23 < jammcq> yeah 07:24 < drzero> it works! 07:24 < jammcq> heh 07:25 < jammcq> I wonder if there's something missing in the gentoo pkg 07:25 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 07:25 < jammcq> it should have created that symlink for you during install 07:25 < drzero> next problem: the screen flickers on both clients when it is in X .. any idea what could be wrong? 07:25 < jammcq> maybe frequency 07:25 < jammcq> i've gotta run tho 07:25 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 07:25 < drzero> jammcq: I have upgraded and downgraded between ltsp3 and 4 so it's probably why the symlinks are missing.. 07:26 < jammcq> hmm, could be, I suppose 07:26 < jammcq> anyway, i'll be back in about 2 hrs 07:26 < drzero> jammcq: okay, I'll fiddle with the frequencies then, thanks for your help!! 07:27 -!- parsley__ [[me65m5ReZ@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:28 -!- parsley__ [[vMw82ZNEp@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 07:29 -!- parsley_ [[NlpSBzqtz@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:37 < ebb> doh i fudged it up 07:45 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 07:51 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-3-212-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:02 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-198.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 08:02 -!- fortytwo [~fortytwo@h61n2fls34o1104.telia.com] has quit ["brb"] 08:06 -!- Federico3 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 08:06 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:07 -!- yo_linux [~michael@202-6-154-161.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 08:08 < yo_linux> hey, anyone using G3 macs as ltsp terminals? 08:09 < yo_linux> I'm trying to find a kernel and xserver for them, but it 'aint easy' 08:10 -!- drzero [~abo@130.226.232.144] has quit ["Client exiting"] 08:11 -!- yo_linux [~michael@202-6-154-161.ip.adam.com.au] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 08:23 -!- Federico3 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 08:25 < ebb> whoooo it boots to X , now i can enjoy getting my X display to work 08:26 < ebb> the troubleshooting guide is more like extra instructions for me lol 08:29 -!- Sandalia [~Sol@200-163-077-008.gnace7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 08:29 < Sandalia> oi gente. 08:29 < Sandalia> estou com problemas na configuração do ltsp. tem alguem que pode me ajudar ? 08:30 < Sandalia> i am need to help for ltsp. 08:30 < Sandalia> hello 08:30 < Sandalia> my mouse don function 08:31 < Sandalia> my mouse don't function 08:31 < Sandalia> i dont login 08:31 < Sandalia> help 08:36 -!- Sandalia [~Sol@200-163-077-008.gnace7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:47 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has joined #ltsp 08:51 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 08:55 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 08:56 -!- Zeus [~user@200.89.60.36] has joined #ltsp 08:57 < Zeus> hi! 08:57 -!- greendisease [~jack@209.88.193.216] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 09:03 -!- ebb is now known as ebb-away 09:03 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 09:11 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 09:14 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 09:30 -!- ebb-away is now known as ebb 09:39 -!- parsley_ [[MXHw15m0E@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 09:45 -!- UselessKnowldge [~useless@oh-ironton-u1-c511a-11.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has joined #LTSP 09:47 < UselessKnowldge> I'm using kdm on LTSP4 and having it autologin. Anyone know how I could make my program start up instead of KDE or Gnome, so users could just turn on the workstation and then use my program? 09:47 < ragnar> jammcq: do you know if anyone has set up an apt-rpm repository for LTSP rpms? 09:48 < Federico2> apt-rpm? 09:49 < jammcq> ragnar: sorry, I don't know of any 09:49 < jammcq> although, you might check with eric harrison of k12ltsp 09:50 < jammcq> UselessKnowldge: you need to follow the startup scripts 09:50 < jammcq> look in /etc/X11/xdm/xsession 09:51 -!- parsley__ [[vMw82ZNEp@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:53 < ragnar> jammcq: ok, thanks. A project for a rainy day 09:54 < ragnar> Federico2: apt as an overlay on rpm. gives you apt-get install and friends on RPM-based systems. 09:55 < Federico2> tnx ragnar 10:18 < ragnar> hmmm, I'm making a new kernel on 2.4.22, running builldk gives a number of Unresolved symbols 10:18 < ragnar> should i worry? 10:18 < jammcq> yeah 10:18 * ragnar worries 10:19 < ragnar> the unresolved symbols relate to nic drivers, it seems 10:19 < jammcq> did you start with my .config file ? 10:19 < UselessKnowldge> k, I tried erasing all of the stuff at the end of Xsession where it chooses whether to start KDE or Gnome or whatever and tried just adding "exec twm &" to see if it would run that program. It doesn't. It crashes then restarts and goes to a login prompt. 10:19 < ragnar> yes, from 3.0.10 10:20 < ragnar> but there are some changes in the source kernel tree, asm is moved to a number of subdirs 10:20 < ragnar> so i copied yours to .config, ran make menuconfig and saved 10:20 < jammcq> you should run "make oldconfig" 10:20 < jammcq> before anything else 10:20 < ragnar> then edited Makefile to get at EXTRAVERSION and did the ususal stuff 10:21 < ragnar> jammcq: uh, ok 10:21 < jammcq> AND, you should edit the EXTRAVERSION before running make menuconfig 10:21 < ragnar> yes, did that 10:22 < ragnar> so i'm off again. make mrproper 10:22 < jammcq> :) 10:22 < ragnar> then edit Makefile? 10:22 * ragnar has not doen this in a while 10:23 < ragnar> vi Makefile 10:23 < ragnar> :wq 10:23 < ragnar> make menuconfig 10:24 < ragnar> change nothing, just saving to get right .config for this kernel 10:24 < ragnar> make oldconfig 10:24 < ragnar> jammcq: OK so far? 10:26 -!- g-paiva is now known as g-paiva_lunch 10:30 < jammcq> ragnar: do the 'make oldconfig' BEFORE the 'make menuconfig' 10:31 < ragnar> right. Should I then before this again have copied your config-file to .config? 10:33 < jammcq> hmm 10:33 < jammcq> I probably would grab a fresh copy of .config 10:34 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 10:34 < ragnar> ummm, if remember right make oldconfig sets up a new .config from arch/i386/defconfig? 10:35 < jammcq> hmm, I don't think so 10:35 < jammcq> I think it simply reads .config 10:35 < jammcq> but, worth trying, I suppose 10:35 < ragnar> ah, no, it sets off make config 10:35 < ragnar> don't want that 10:36 < jammcq> huh ? 10:36 < jammcq> I think you do want that 10:36 < jammcq> you need to go through the options, it will prompt you for what has changed 10:36 < ragnar> well, that was my first reaction too :-) 10:36 < ragnar> make mrproper; make oldconfig 10:37 < jammcq> doesn't make mrproper delete .config ? 10:37 < ragnar> yes 10:37 < jammcq> ok, then: make mrproper; cp xxxx .config; make oldconfig 10:37 < ragnar> and it seems make oldconfig wants to create a new .config by running make config. 10:37 < ragnar> I get this: 10:37 < ragnar> Math emulation (CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION) [N/y/?] 10:37 < ragnar> MTRR (Memory Type Range Register) support (CONFIG_MTRR) [N/y/?] 10:37 < ragnar> Symmetric multi-processing support (CONFIG_SMP) [Y/n/?] 10:37 < ragnar> Multi-node NUMA system support (CONFIG_X86_NUMA) [N/y/?] (NEW) 10:37 < ragnar> and lost more 10:38 < jammcq> right 10:38 < ragnar> lots more 10:38 < jammcq> yeah 10:38 < jammcq> it should be prompting you for what has changed since the last kernel 10:38 < ragnar> ok 10:38 < jammcq> that's how i've always assumed it worked 10:38 < ragnar> so perhaps not hte whole shebang then 10:41 < ragnar> oooh, Allow direct I/O on NFS files 10:57 < ragnar> jammcq: i still get unresolved symbols. I'm using the ltsp_initrd_kit-3.0.10 10:58 < ragnar> are there any catches? like i have my source kernel tree in /usr/src/linux/ while the EXTRAVERSION is something else? 10:59 < jammcq> shouldn't matter 11:00 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-198.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 11:03 < ragnar> the error is e.g. 11:03 < ragnar> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /mnt/initrd/lib/modules/2.4.22-sl-ltsp-1/kernel/drivers/net/8139too.o 11:03 < ragnar> depmod: crc32_le 11:03 < ragnar> depmod: bitreverse 11:03 < ragnar> so i'm going to try to remove this crc32_le then 11:07 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 11:09 -!- g-paiva_lunch [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:13 < ragnar> no success 11:13 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-0962.bb.online.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 11:19 -!- brainlessdumb [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 11:23 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:25 < ebb> wooo done it 11:25 < ebb> first ltsp terminal 11:25 < ebb> for me that is 11:25 < ebb> lol 11:26 < Zeus> :) 11:34 -!- brainlessdumb [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has quit [] 11:35 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:40 -!- philq [~philq@public1-stok4-5-cust36.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 11:40 < philq> Hey everyone, could I ask for some help? 11:41 < Damascene> just ask. 11:41 < philq> Thanks - I've downloaded the lbe for LTSP 4, done ./build all in the directory, but I can't find out for the life of me how I install the compiled programs! 11:42 < philq> Sorry if I missed something... 11:42 < Damascene> hm... sorry not as familiar with ltsp itself, just infrastructure adn general areas. :( 11:42 < philq> oh well 11:43 < Damascene> the developers do lurk here though 11:43 < philq> if I leave the question there someone might see it and give advice 11:43 < Damascene> right 11:43 < Damascene> so just be patient. 11:43 < philq> will do, thanks for you help though, damascene 11:45 -!- MetaCosm_ [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:50 < philq> ok, I'm stupid 11:50 < philq> it was installed, just that the kernel wasn't copied to /tftpboot 11:54 -!- ebb [0@82-44-187-118.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:57 -!- philq [~philq@public1-stok4-5-cust36.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [] 11:57 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:02 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.52.201.199] has joined #ltsp 12:02 < carlos-da-man> hi all 12:09 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.52.201.199] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 12:26 -!- heino is now known as lanius 12:39 < Federico2> bye 12:39 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 12:58 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-160-249.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 13:05 -!- UselessKnowldge [~useless@oh-ironton-u1-c511a-11.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:17 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@p508755C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 13:23 -!- heino [heino@p508E2D2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 13:30 -!- lanius [heino@p508E29F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:37 -!- chupacabra [~mike@adsl-64-218-162-197.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit ["BitchX: the cootiless client"] 13:38 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-0962.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 13:50 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 13:50 -!- __OOps__ is now known as OOps 13:54 < ragnar> jammcq: i gave up on the kernel building, the 3.0.10 kernel had the modules i needed anyway. i've got the usb dok working now, using robbie's autofs/samba package 13:56 < ragnar> but i've got some questions regarding permissions on the device that gets set up 14:01 -!- bill_c_ [~bill@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 14:02 -!- bill_c__ [~bill@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 14:03 < ragnar> bill_c: thanks for enlightening me on the alternate usb uhci driver. I've got the usb disk-on-key working now 14:06 < bill_c__> np, usb is tricky, thats why i'm trying to get it to autodetect on the clients 14:07 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 14:07 < ragnar> k. do you also know how to control the permissions on the device files that get set up? I need them to be 777. 14:09 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:15 < bill_c__> devices on the client? 14:16 < ragnar> yes, once the usb pen is inserted it sets up /dev/scsi/.../part1 and /dev/sda1 is a symlink to that 14:16 < bill_c__> you would prob have to ask jamm that, but I would poke around the rc-scripts, might need to add a funtion to do that 14:18 < bill_c__> when that client boots, it reads the lts.conf looking for its entry, prob could add some flag inside there, and then edit the rc-script (if thats the right one) to do chmod on that workstations filesystem 14:18 < ragnar> hmmm 14:18 -!- bill_c [~bill@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:19 < bill_c__> but check jamm or robbie might know for sure 14:19 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #ltsp 14:19 -!- bill_c_ [~bill@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:19 < ragnar> yes, i'll try to catch robbie tomorrow. 14:19 -!- MetaCosm_ [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:19 -!- bill_c__ is now known as bill_c 14:20 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 14:38 -!- parsley__ [[awR1zI9L+@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 14:39 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 14:59 -!- parsley_ [[MXHw15m0E@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:26 -!- aflinta__ [aflinta@printserver.komandos.krakow.pl] has joined #ltsp 15:26 -!- aflinta [aflinta@printserver.komandos.krakow.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:30 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@p508755C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 15:30 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:33 -!- TrAnCeFX [gjsbbb@h-66-167-59-230.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has joined #ltsp 15:40 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-160-249.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:45 -!- staft [~Andre@200.180.223.26] has joined #ltsp 15:53 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-0962.bb.online.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 16:06 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 16:11 -!- heino is now known as lanius 16:11 -!- greendisease [~jack@82.166.105.11] has joined #ltsp 16:14 < Faithful> 20:54:58 up 198 Days (4772h), load average: 0.00 0.00 0.00 16:27 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 16:28 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:37 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.151.65] has joined #ltsp 16:46 -!- mzungu [~tony@mlango.nbi.dtske.com] has joined #ltsp 17:02 -!- greendisease [~jack@82.166.105.11] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:19 -!- staft [~Andre@200.180.223.26] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:21 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 17:24 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD951E44D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 17:29 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.151.65] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:32 -!- mzungu [~tony@mlango.nbi.dtske.com] has left #ltsp [] 17:33 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 17:38 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:40 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:40 -!- morfic_ is now known as morfic 17:49 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 17:50 -!- lanius [heino@p508E2D2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta3 "CVS""] 17:52 -!- oob [oob@otaku.freeshell.org] has joined #ltsp 17:53 < oob> hello 17:55 < oob> i have a boundless technologies thinclient, it has a 4Mb flash disk with DOS installed 17:56 < oob> booting pocket linux from a floppy configures the NE*000 interface properly, however rom-o-matic roms booting from the floppy hang the system and .COM roms running from the flash DOS disk reboot the system 17:57 < oob> question: what could be cuasing rom-o-matic roms to misfunction if the dirver is correct ? 17:59 -!- _Dickinson_ [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has joined #ltsp 18:00 < _Dickinson_> hi.... 18:00 < _Dickinson_> does anyone know any way to use the PVFS with ltsp??? 18:03 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.65.69] has joined #ltsp 18:03 -!- brainless [brainless@isdsal109pc113.ics.usc.edu] has joined #ltsp 18:04 < brainless> hello people 18:17 -!- _Dickinson_ [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:18 -!- brainless [brainless@isdsal109pc113.ics.usc.edu] has quit [] 18:25 -!- _Dickinson_ [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has joined #ltsp 18:27 -!- Mr_TRaNS_ [black@pD951ED3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 18:29 < _Dickinson_> there is any way to use ltsp with the PVFS ( paralel virtual file system))??? 18:32 < jammcq> _Dickinson_: LTSP is thin clients. how would/could that interact with PVFS ? 18:36 -!- parsley__ [[awR1zI9L+@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:36 < _Dickinson_> :) 18:36 < _Dickinson_> hum... 18:37 < _Dickinson_> mosix+ltsp+pvfs 18:37 < _Dickinson_> ltsp to boot linux via pxe... mosix to make a cluster... and pvfs to make a BIG distributed filesystem 18:38 -!- parsley__ [[PxYoBSV6R@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 18:39 < _Dickinson_> as the matter of fact i was thinking in a virtual/networked raid 5 18:39 < jammcq> well, anything is possible 18:40 < _Dickinson_> or it´s a bad idea? 18:40 < jammcq> could be a good idea. what problem are you trying to solve with it ? 18:41 < _Dickinson_> I was thinking of you 18:41 < _Dickinson_> ;P just kiddind 18:41 -!- Zeus [~user@200.89.60.36] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:41 < jammcq> the kinds of apps that most people run with LTSP aren't very well suited to Mosix 18:41 < jammcq> most of the apps are things like Mozilla and OpenOffice 18:41 < jammcq> using lots of shared memory 18:42 < _Dickinson_> hum.... 18:42 < jammcq> mosix is more for things like compute bound programs. rendering video frames, solving complex matrix problems 18:43 < _Dickinson_> i´ve tryed out the clusterknoppix... it uses ltsp+mosix in a knoppix cd 18:43 < _Dickinson_> http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/ 18:44 < _Dickinson_> alocate dinamicaly a cluster... 18:44 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD951E44D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:45 < jammcq> yeah, very useful in a scientific setting, but not so useful for business or schools 18:46 < _Dickinson_> ok... 18:46 < _Dickinson_> gotta go.. 18:46 < _Dickinson_> back in 30min 18:46 < _Dickinson_> %) 18:46 -!- _Dickinson_ [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has left #ltsp [] 18:54 < oob> boot rom hangs. help? 18:58 -!- efv3|aWY [black@p50875B4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 19:13 -!- efv3|aWY_ [black@pD9E1D991.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 19:16 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@bgp01034173bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 19:17 -!- Mr_TRaNS_ [black@pD951ED3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:26 -!- _Dickinson_ [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has joined #ltsp 19:26 < _Dickinson_> i'm back 19:26 < jammcq> i'm jim 19:26 < _Dickinson_> lol 19:27 < _Dickinson_> r u jim mcquillan 19:27 < _Dickinson_> ? 19:28 < jammcq> yessir 19:28 < _Dickinson_> i'm a fan of yours 19:28 < jammcq> cool :) 19:30 < _Dickinson_> how can Icontributewith ltsp? 19:30 < jammcq> well, lots of ways 19:30 < _Dickinson_> stayng farfron it? 19:30 < jammcq> you can help us code, you can help us with docs 19:30 < jammcq> or staying far from it :) 19:31 < jammcq> you can help offer assistance to people trying to use it 19:32 < _Dickinson_> i've instaled it on 2 big networks.... a industry and a university 19:32 < oob> particularly as it isn't particularly forthcomming right now 19:32 -!- efv3|aWY [black@p50875B4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:32 < _Dickinson_> how about translating the docs and www to brazilian portuguese? 19:32 < jammcq> yeah, you can help make it more "forth coming" :) 19:33 < jammcq> we have a translation team, and you are welcome to join it 19:33 -!- oob [oob@otaku.freeshell.org] has left #ltsp [] 19:38 < Faithful> I'm getting frustrated with Mozilla crashing 19:39 < jammcq> Faithful: why is it crashing ? 19:39 < jammcq> it has been working very very well for me 19:57 < jond3rd> hello all 20:09 -!- deo [~dorneles@200-203-012-232.cslce7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 20:10 < _Dickinson_> gotta go.... 20:10 < _Dickinson_> have a f*&* delphi class 20:11 < _Dickinson_> jammcq: was a pleasure talking to you 20:11 < jammcq> :) 20:11 -!- _Dickinson_ [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has left #ltsp [] 20:16 -!- efv3|aWY_ [black@pD9E1D991.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:20 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:27 < jond3rd> jammcq: u there ? 20:27 < jammcq> yo 20:27 < jond3rd> jammcq: got some questions here regarding xhost 20:27 < jond3rd> I've got this error 20:27 < jond3rd> _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 20:27 < jond3rd> what's that? 20:28 < jammcq> what are you trying to do 20:28 < jond3rd> jammcq: i'm trying to launch a remote X application to my box 20:29 < jammcq> from a different server than the LTSP server ? 20:29 < jond3rd> yeah 20:29 < jond3rd> I thought it's just simply doing xhost + then set the $DISPLAY environment then launch the apps 20:30 < jammcq> you have to run xhost on the LTSP server 20:30 < jammcq> did you ssh or telnet to the other server ? 20:30 < jond3rd> telnet 20:30 < jammcq> heh 20:30 < jammcq> ok, you either need to use xhost to allow that server to display things on your thin client 20:30 < jammcq> or you could simply disable access control altogether 20:31 < jammcq> OR, you could use SSH to get to the other server, and that would take care of forwarding your X stuff 20:31 -!- parsley_ [[3N9dVUiVp@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 20:31 < jond3rd> hmm, lemme do first xhost on my LTSP server 20:32 < jammcq> you MUST be logged in from your thin client to the LTSP server to use xhost 20:33 < jond3rd> in that case I need to go out here first then boot my thin client which happened to be this machine I'm using 20:34 < jond3rd> be right back 20:34 -!- jond3rd [~jon@202.8.246.83] has quit ["Client exiting"] 20:35 -!- parsley__ [[PxYoBSV6R@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:37 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:40 < Faithful> jammcq I'm running moz 1.4 but it maybe the java plugin or flash that is doing it 20:41 < Faithful> didya see that I pasted before ? 20:54:58 up 198 Days (4772h), load average: 0.00 0.00 0.00 20:41 < Faithful> I love it 20:41 < jammcq> yeah, I saw that. Go ahead and try that with a Windows box :) 20:42 < Faithful> ya, karboom after 198 hrs ;) 20:44 < jammcq> did it crash ? 20:44 < jammcq> oh 20:44 < jammcq> never mind 20:44 < jammcq> 198 hrs vs 198 days :) 20:55 -!- jond3rd [~gabriel@solidservice.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 20:58 < jond3rd> jammcq: it's working on my LTSP thin client :) 20:58 -!- bloggsie [~chris@202-0-37-152.cable.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ltsp 20:58 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DD75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 21:02 < jond3rd> jammcq: but it doesn't work on the server :( 21:04 < jond3rd> brb need to test something 21:04 -!- jond3rd [~gabriel@solidservice.com.ph] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 21:19 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 21:22 < jond3rd> jammcq: It's now roking even on my LTSP server :) 21:22 < jond3rd> s/roking/working 21:23 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip229-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 21:30 -!- parsley__ [[pz2aITJEq@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 21:43 -!- parsley_ [[3N9dVUiVp@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:51 < bloggsie> Hi, I have a dhcp server running on the network already. Can I continue to use it? 21:52 < jammcq> sure 21:52 < jammcq> well, maybe 21:52 < jammcq> is it another Linux box ? 21:53 < bloggsie> yes, the IPCop firewall 21:53 < jammcq> do you have real control over that dhcp server ? I mean, can you add a 'next-server' option, and can you add a 'root-path' entry ? 21:54 < bloggsie> Sorry, I dont know. Yet more rtfm i'spose? 21:54 < jammcq> yeah 21:54 < jammcq> and you'll need to add a 'filename' entry too 21:55 < bloggsie> ok tnx. Does this mean that both dhcp servers run as sibling or do I turn the ltsp one off? 21:55 < jammcq> turn the ltsp dhcp server off 21:56 < bloggsie> ok 21:56 < bloggsie> I am running Gentoo, and I'm a bit flummoxed as to how tho start the ltsp daemon? 21:57 < bloggsie> on the server machine. 21:57 < jammcq> well, that could be because there is on LTSP daemon 21:57 < jammcq> ltsp is NOT a program 21:57 < bill_c> did you install ltsp with emerge? 21:57 < bloggsie> yes 21:57 < jammcq> it's a distro that sits in a distro 21:57 < jammcq> s/is on/is no/ 21:58 < bloggsie> oh. penny dropped 21:58 < bill_c> did you do etc-update after install 21:58 < bloggsie> not yet 21:58 < bloggsie> sorry yes I updated the /eyc files 21:58 < bill_c> terminals won't work till you do etc-update and merge in the config changes for 21:58 < bloggsie> s/eyc/etc 21:59 < bill_c> you would need to restart nfs, dhcp after changes 21:59 < bloggsie> Would it be best if I stopped the dhcp server in the IPCop and used the ltsp one instead? 22:00 < bill_c> it would be easier for the time, till you know everything works, then go back and try ipcop 22:00 < jammcq> well, that's up to you. But, for a first-time LTSP deployment, it's prolly a good idea 22:01 < bloggsie> thank you. I'll do a bit more reading and come back with the next problem doubtless. 22:01 < jammcq> :) 22:01 < bloggsie> tnx 4 your time 22:16 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 22:40 -!- root [~root@203.131.141.57] has joined #ltsp 22:56 -!- staft [~Andre@host-98.tpo.com.br] has joined #ltsp 23:07 -!- staft [~Andre@host-98.tpo.com.br] has quit ["Cliente saiu"] 23:16 -!- root [~root@203.131.141.57] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:42 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-3-212-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 23:46 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:52 -!- bloggsie [~chris@202-0-37-152.cable.paradise.net.nz] has quit ["Client exiting"] --- Day changed Thu Sep 04 2003 00:22 -!- i8088 [~sam@203.131.141.57] has joined #ltsp 00:23 < i8088> i've installed the newest ltsp on my server but where can i find dhcpd.conf? 00:23 < i8088> anyone who can help me here? 00:24 -!- i8088 [~sam@203.131.141.57] has left #ltsp [] 00:30 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip229-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:43 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit ["leaving"] 00:44 -!- manimay_ [~mani@pD9544B28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 00:47 -!- manimay__ [~mani@p50808F4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:02 -!- jahroots [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:09 -!- jahroots [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 01:51 -!- dida [~deny_dr@203.130.222.145] has joined #ltsp 02:07 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 02:16 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has joined #ltsp 02:16 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 02:17 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/quitmsg.pl"] 02:19 -!- [fabian] [cs@203.130.216.73] has joined #ltsp 02:19 -!- [fabian] is now known as jagman 02:21 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has joined #ltsp 02:34 -!- tcragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has joined #ltsp 02:38 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@gw.linuxhelp.com.au] has joined #ltsp 02:52 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 03:28 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.65.69] has quit ["Client exiting"] 03:36 -!- frame [~frame@213-35-223-210-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has quit [Client Quit] 04:10 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1108.blotto.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 04:15 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1108.blotto.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 04:18 -!- dida [~deny_dr@203.130.222.145] has quit [] 04:27 -!- lanius [heino@p508E2911.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 04:33 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:52 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:13 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 05:26 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 05:26 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@bgp01034173bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 05:27 < keyur> hi, i have a isa rtg video card, which is best suitable xserver for it 05:31 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 05:32 -!- jagman [cs@203.130.216.73] has quit ["(null)"] 05:53 < aflinta__> hi 05:54 < aflinta__> how can I setup USB mouse on workstation with ltsp 3.0? 05:58 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #ltsp 05:59 < ldog> aflinta__: the lts.conf ? 06:03 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:06 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit ["brb"] 06:06 -!- morfic [~U3N@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 06:40 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 06:48 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 06:49 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1229.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 06:51 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has joined #ltsp 06:51 -!- Yngwie_ [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 06:52 < bails> HI all, I have an issue with a client it downloads the kernel does the pivot root gets to building xf86config and then falls over with net dev eth0 transmit timed out, nfs server 192.168.0.254 not responid still trying 06:52 < bails> any ideas? 06:54 < tcragnar> is the nfs server running? 06:55 < bails> yep 06:56 < bails> I can mount via nfs from my Zaurus fine 06:56 < bails> I've googled and it seems this problem has happened before, but i cant find an answer 06:57 < tcragnar> ok 06:57 < tcragnar> what does the log on the server say about connections from the client? 06:59 < bails> rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws001:793 06:59 < bails> for /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 06:59 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has joined #ltsp 07:03 < tcragnar> what aboout for the root file system? 07:03 -!- greendisease [~jack@82.166.105.11] has joined #ltsp 07:06 < bails> same authenticated mount reqeust blah... /opt/ltsp/i386 07:11 < tcragnar> hmmm 07:11 < tcragnar> is it just one of several clients? 07:11 < tcragnar> what type of client is it? short on RAM? 07:14 < bails> no 32MB Ram only client I have at home 07:15 < bails> P166 32M I've tried another rtl8139 but same thing happens 07:16 < bails> hold on I stick another client on 07:22 < bails> weird this one works fine 07:23 < bails> I wonder if the RAM in the other client is shot 07:35 -!- parsley_ [[WucHFNiJY@149.84.162.214] has joined #ltsp 07:37 < tcragnar> bails: you could have ram probs 07:39 * greendisease is away: I'm busy 07:39 < bails> well I've swapped the Ram / NIC /soundcard into another box and that works fine 07:39 < bails> so I dont think its the RAM 07:40 < bails> I have a similar problem at another sitte (a pub) where 1 client hangs doing the pivot root with the same nfs messages 07:45 * greendisease is back (gone 00:06:04) 07:46 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 07:49 < tcragnar> the pivot root switches the root fs from ramdisk to nfs. most likely it's to do with memory 07:52 < bails> I agree I'll change the memory in the client in the pub cheers for your help tcragnar 07:52 -!- parsley__ [[pz2aITJEq@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:57 < tcragnar> bails: np 07:57 < tcragnar> :-) 07:58 < bails> 8-) 07:58 < tcragnar> heh, i'll have a bitter in one of those pubs :-) 07:58 < bails> OK you'll have to make your own way to Bristol though ;-P 08:00 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-36-170-87.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 08:01 -!- greendisease [~jack@82.166.105.11] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:17 -!- bails [~bails@modem-1229.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 08:21 -!- ebb [0@82-44-187-118.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 08:25 < ebb> hi is is safe just to turn terminals off ? 08:26 < tcragnar> ebb: yes, after the user has logged out 08:26 < ebb> okies thnx 08:28 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 08:32 -!- greendisease [~jack@82.166.105.11] has joined #ltsp 08:46 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 08:50 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DD75.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:50 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DD75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 08:55 < jammcq> tcragnar: hey, you there ? 08:55 < tcragnar> yes 08:56 < tcragnar> morning 08:56 < jammcq> did you ever figure out your kernel building problem ? 08:56 < tcragnar> no 08:56 < jammcq> I was thinking that maybe you are running out of space in the initrd image 08:56 < tcragnar> it kept saying unresolved symbols 08:56 < jammcq> and it isn't able to copy all of the modules 08:56 < ebb> hi jammcq i got my ltsp working thnx for all your help 08:56 < jammcq> ya see, that's the kind of stuff I think about when taking a shower :) 08:56 < tcragnar> ok, so increase the size of the image? 08:56 < jammcq> ebb: hey, cool 08:57 < jammcq> tcragnar: yeah, it's one of the questions that comes up during buildk 08:57 < jammcq> also, the number of inodes 08:57 < tcragnar> i remember. thanks for thinking about me in the shower 08:57 < jammcq> I wasn't thinking about YOU :) 08:57 < ebb> lol 08:57 < jammcq> I was thinking about LTSP :) 08:57 < tcragnar> hehehe, an american with a sense of humor :-) 08:58 < tcragnar> jammcq: did you see my posting about perms on the device files? 08:59 < jammcq> yeah, I saw the question. did anyone answer ? 08:59 < tcragnar> not yet, and robbie has not been on irc today 08:59 < jammcq> I'm thinking there is some magic you can put in the devfsd.conf file to take care of the problem 08:59 < tcragnar> i looked there, but there was nothing i remotely understood. 09:00 * tcragnar probably needs to take a shower too 09:00 < jammcq> yeah, that's beent he problem i've had. not easy to see how it works 09:01 < tcragnar> um 09:02 < tcragnar> jammcq: no, the size is not the problem, there seems to be plenty both space and inodes 09:02 < jammcq> hmm, back to the shower :( 09:03 < tcragnar> these are the lines: 09:03 < tcragnar> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /mnt/initrd/lib/modules/2.4.22-sl-ltsp-1/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o 09:03 < tcragnar> depmod: crc32_le 09:03 < tcragnar> depmod: bitreverse 09:04 < jammcq> hmm, I need to try building it myself, I guess. Just to see if it happens here too 09:04 -!- deo [~dorneles@200-203-012-232.cslce7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:05 < tcragnar> but i don't know what those crc32_le and bitreverse thingies are. They are not modules that I built 09:06 < tcragnar> i have crc32.o, but no crc32_le 09:06 < jammcq> hmm 09:07 < tcragnar> it could be a config problem, i could try just some standard config stuff and see what happens 09:07 < jammcq> maybe try cleaning out /lib/modules/2.4.22-sl-ltsp-1, and then run 'make modules_install' again 09:07 < tcragnar> yeah, i was actually on my way to do that :-) 09:07 * tcragnar sshs into the wild blue yonder 09:12 * tcragnar enjoys the wonders of dual hi speed compile boxen 09:15 -!- deo [~dorneles@200-203-012-232.cslce7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 09:19 < tcragnar> jammcq: yep, it works now 09:19 < jammcq> ya!!! 09:20 < jammcq> what fixed it ? 09:22 < tcragnar> well, i started with a blank config, just made some few changes and recompiled 09:23 < tcragnar> now i need to test with your config, and see if that works. could be some debris left in the module tree 09:26 < tcragnar> make mrproper; cp config-sl-ltsp-1 .config; make oldconfig; make dep bzImage modules modules_install 09:36 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@as04-ppp71.cvip.net] has joined #ltsp 09:36 < tcragnar> and boom, no joy 09:37 < keyur> hi, currently i have sett my server as P-IV , 1 GB ram and all network connection are on switch, right now there are 11 users, but they feel it is too slow, 09:38 < keyur> 8 of them are on 32 mb ram and p-200 and 3 of them are celron 1.7ghz 128 mb ram 09:38 < keyur> what should i do, and why it is to slow, 09:39 < keyur> my users are using open office 1.1 and evolution 1.4 09:39 < keyur> only this things are used by them 09:39 < keyur> 7 of them r having 100mbps card, and 4 r having 10mbps card 09:39 < keyur> server is having 100mbps card 09:40 < keyur> why ? to slow 09:42 < Mr_TRaNS> keyur: do u use ICEWM? 09:43 < Mr_TRaNS> or which windows manager did u use? 09:45 < keyur> i m using gnome 09:46 < keyur> Mr_TRaNS : my kde shows very bad fonts thats why 09:47 < Mr_TRaNS> mhmm i would change to a small windows manager like icewm 09:48 < keyur> Mr_TRaNS : so if i change my window manager then it will increase speed that u think 09:48 < keyur> so problem is of window manager 09:48 < Mr_TRaNS> yeah.. kde and gnome use a lot of memory and resourcen 09:49 < keyur> but how's other window manager, will it have all this application , and network printer facility 09:49 < keyur> because gnome and kde having lots of such facility, and easy for end user 09:50 < Mr_TRaNS> u can add all what u need in icewm and heh it has nice skins (like winXP *G) 09:50 < keyur> and userfriendlyness is must needed because my users r new to linux 09:58 < Federico3> I suggest fluxbox 09:58 < Federico3> it's very beautiful and clean 09:59 < Federico3> I think most window managers can confuse newbies 10:02 < tcragnar> jammcq: what are the definite must-haves for an ltsp kernel? 10:06 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:07 < Federico3> It's a crazy idea to "move" a graphical session from a client to another without closing and reopening all the apps? 10:09 -!- tcragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has quit ["Klient afslutter"] 10:11 -!- ebb [0@82-44-187-118.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:14 < project9> jammcq:hi how r u 10:14 < project9> i want to setup 3 ltsp server with celeron 1ghz with 512 ram can i share load load automatically all will be using openoffice/mozilla/gaim/dictionary..how do i confiure it 10:19 < Federico3> project9: do you want to share load in real time? 10:19 < Federico3> or simply to distribute clients on servers? 10:20 < project9> what do umean by real time ?pls expalin 10:20 < project9> yes i want to dis.,load 10:22 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-36-170-87.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:22 < Federico3> I mean... do you need that a graphical session can be moved from a server to another? 10:24 < Federico3> if a server is handling some too resource-consuming clients 10:25 < Federico3> shall a client "be moved" on another server? 10:25 < Federico3> project9? 10:25 < project9> yes 10:26 < project9> if one server is busy another server should take load automatically even client login to that server 10:27 < Federico3> "that server" means the first? 10:28 < Federico3> I suggest to use openmosix... 10:29 < project9> ic 10:29 < project9> did u used openmosix 10:30 < project9> i tryed but couldent get right config pls help me on that some one sueggest to use LVS 10:31 < Federico3> sorry, gotta go home now :( 10:31 < project9> how to setup ip-mapping to server to server and for clients 10:31 < Federico3> bye 10:31 < project9> pls 10:33 < project9> ok 10:33 < project9> bye 10:33 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 10:37 -!- TrAnCeFX [gjsbbb@h-66-167-59-230.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:38 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 10:40 -!- Faithful [~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:47 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 10:47 < pLin_io> holas,, hi y'all 10:50 < arc_> pLin_io: :P 10:51 < pLin_io> ups.. hi arc_, capullín/on 10:51 < pLin_io> XD 10:51 < arc_> hehehe 10:53 < pLin_io> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/04/business/media/04ADDE.html 10:53 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 10:57 -!- greendisease [~jack@82.166.105.11] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:59 -!- lanius [heino@p508E2911.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0-beta3 "CVS""] 11:02 -!- ebb [0@82-44-187-118.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 11:06 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-3-212-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 11:09 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@as04-ppp71.cvip.net] has quit ["Money talks, bullshit walks..."] 11:15 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #ltsp ["Terminando cliente"] 11:17 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 11:49 -!- mjeannot [~jbmgba@cable-213-132-152-25.upc.chello.be] has joined #ltsp 11:50 -!- mjeannot [~jbmgba@cable-213-132-152-25.upc.chello.be] has left #ltsp [] 11:55 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@193.156.199.2] has joined #ltsp 11:58 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 12:03 < GodFodder> ping jammcq 12:03 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 12:07 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 12:07 -!- twk_b [~twk-b@dsl-edge-208-38-4-i60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ltsp 12:07 < twk_b> hello, what port should tftp be running on ? i followed the doc from gentoo.org but tftp doesnt seem to be working 12:11 < ragnar> 66 or 67 udp i think 12:12 < ragnar> no, 69 tcp and udp 12:12 < ragnar> hint: grep tfpt /etc/services :-) 12:13 < ragnar> s/tfpt/tftp/ 12:18 < twk_b> ok well 12:18 < twk_b> i have nothing running on that port 12:19 < twk_b> xinetd] Started working: 1 available service 12:19 < twk_b> it seems to think tftp is available though 12:20 < twk_b> if u nmap yourself do u see 69 open? 12:21 < twk_b> on whatever server is running your tftp server i mean 12:24 < Federico2> hi all 12:34 -!- twk_b [~twk-b@dsl-edge-208-38-4-i60-cgy.nucleus.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:39 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:39 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 12:46 -!- twk_b [~twk-b@dsl-edge-208-38-4-i60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ltsp 12:49 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 12:49 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:51 < BadMagic> hi all 12:54 < BadMagic> jammcq: you there? 12:54 < BadMagic> mistik1: you here? 12:57 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 13:29 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-174-253.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 13:29 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 13:31 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [] 13:38 -!- HiltonT_au [~HiltonT@dsl-90.128.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 13:38 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@193.156.199.2] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 13:49 -!- TrAnCeFX [ypwlvy@h-66-167-211-60.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has joined #ltsp 13:49 -!- HiltonT [~HiltonT@dsl-220.131.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has quit [No route to host] 13:53 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DD75.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 13:57 -!- twk_b [~twk-b@dsl-edge-208-38-4-i60-cgy.nucleus.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030805]"] 13:58 -!- wftl [~salmar@375dial2-port-188.dial.telus.net] has joined #ltsp 13:58 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 13:59 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:00 < wftl> Hey all! Where do I find the RPM for the Jammin 150 (just got one) sound modules 14:11 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 14:11 -!- MetaCosm_ [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 14:12 -!- johnx [~johnx@375dial2-port-188.dial.telus.net] has joined #ltsp 14:14 < johnx> Hello wftl 14:15 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 14:15 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:15 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-174-253.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 14:15 < wftl> Hello johnx 14:16 -!- johnx [~johnx@375dial2-port-188.dial.telus.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:16 -!- staft [~Andre@200.180.223.26] has joined #ltsp 14:16 < jammcq> BadMagic: hey, you there ? 14:17 < jammcq> wftl: you shouldn't need a special rpm. the sound modules are included in the latest ltsp kernels 14:17 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:22 < wftl> jammcq: Thanks. I didn't know that last part, but I am currently downloading the latest kernel. 14:24 < wftl> jammcq: one other thing. What is that long thin slot on the front of the Jammin 150? 14:27 < jammcq> wftl: there is an optional smart card reader that can be installed inside 14:27 < jammcq> i've got one on order, to begin tinkering with it, to make it work with ltsp 14:39 -!- linuxpoet [~Joshua@64.146.135.109] has joined #ltsp 14:39 < linuxpoet> Salut all 14:39 < linuxpoet> I have two quick questions 14:40 < jammcq> ok 14:40 < linuxpoet> Is a PXE based card required for LTSP? If not can I just boot off a CDROM? 14:40 < linuxpoet> I have a scenario where we will have two clients and one server 14:40 < Damascene> linuxpoet: No. You can boot off of floppy -> Nic. 14:40 < Damascene> Or you can buy a NIc with the proper eprom 14:40 < jammcq> you can use an etherboot bootrom, or a etherboot floppy 14:40 < Damascene> I'd use the floppy option 14:40 < Damascene> it's very fast to get a quick proof of concept down 14:40 < linuxpoet> You can't use a etherboot cdrom? 14:41 < jammcq> and, you can boot from CD. There's a howto floating around the email archives for doing the CD 14:41 < Damascene> hm yeah i'd imagine you could do etherboot from cd. 14:42 < linuxpoet> Ok good. This will be very cool if we can pull this off 14:42 < linuxpoet> The initial install is just one server and 2 clients 14:42 < linuxpoet> but if it is successfull, I get to install it into a 60 client insurance agency 14:43 < Damascene> nice 14:44 < linuxpoet> As I review however 14:44 < linuxpoet> It looks like if I have a PXE capable nic (such as an Intel Pro) I can just configure the nick to tftp the needed info right off the server. Is that correct? 14:44 < Damascene> linuxpoet: Yeah. 14:44 < linuxpoet> DAMN! 14:44 < Damascene> Literally worked out of the box for me. 14:45 < Damascene> However, your motherboard has to support PXE booting to some degree. 14:45 < Damascene> i.e some very old motherboards or bad motherboards will supress the PXE bootagent. 14:45 < Damascene> I think 14:45 < linuxpoet> Well most current boards do... such as an MSI Kt4V 14:45 < Damascene> Yes, most do, but some people like using old machines to act as the client, so just warning you. 14:45 < Damascene> My old 440BX Asus board does it though! ;) 14:45 < linuxpoet> I have to be honest. That has to be the coolest thing in the world 14:45 < Damascene> Literally out of the box, yeah! 14:45 < linuxpoet> Well if it is very old, then I can just use the boot cdrom then 14:46 < linuxpoet> I would like to take this moment in history and thank all the little people that have made this possible ;) 14:46 < Damascene> Oh yeah it is very cool. Although I had some slight issues with it haha... but I'm sureyou wont' have them. 14:46 < Damascene> My problem was I had TWO intel nics on the system, and the PXE boot would register one of them first, but when booting, it would boot off of the "otehr" NIC so I ahd to swap the cables back and forth haha 14:48 -!- lumi [~Omega@CPE00c0f02a0b5f-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ltsp 14:49 < lumi> jammcq: wftl asked you about a long thin slot on the Jammin 150. I didn't catch the answer (lost connect) 14:49 < jammcq> wftl: there is an optional smart card reader that can be installed inside 14:52 -!- freethinker [~WFTL@CPE00c0f02a0b5f-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ltsp 14:52 < freethinker> jammcq: lumi: Thanks to both. Smart card, huh? 14:52 < freethinker> Sounds interesting. 14:52 < jammcq> yeah 14:52 < freethinker> Any practical applications for it yet. 14:52 < freethinker> ? 14:52 < jammcq> could be fun 14:52 < jammcq> we are thinking it would be useful for user authentication and session management 14:53 -!- absor [~rodrigo@148.245.23.108] has joined #ltsp 14:54 < freethinker> So, you could have the workstations in a library (or some such place) and use the smart card to autologin or provide pre-paid access? 14:54 -!- wftl [~salmar@375dial2-port-188.dial.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:54 < jammcq> yeah, that's the plan 14:54 < absor> hello! the LTSP is the right place to start if i'm trying to run linux on a bunch of TeleVideo's Thin Client 7370's right? 14:54 < freethinker> Way cool 14:54 < jammcq> absor: I don't know anything about the televideo 7370's 14:55 < absor> i don't know much either, but i think it has a cyrix media gx processor. 300mhz. 14:55 < jammcq> well, maybe it would work. you'd need to get a linux kernel into it 14:56 < jammcq> any idea if it does PXE ? 14:56 -!- parsley_ [[WucHFNiJY@149.84.162.214] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:57 -!- parsley_ [[ROOozV7Pp@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 14:58 < absor> uh... i dunno... what's PXE? 14:59 -!- MetaCosm_ [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 14:59 < jammcq> it's a bootrom technology from Intel. lots of newer motherboards have it in the bios 15:00 < linuxpoet> What would we think is the minimum ram for a client? Reasonable ram that is. I assume very small 15:00 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 15:00 < absor> hmmm... let me check. But what if it does PXE? 15:01 < linuxpoet> ? 15:02 -!- freethinker [~WFTL@CPE00c0f02a0b5f-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ltsp [] 15:07 < jammcq> linuxpoet: 32mb is pretty good in a thin client. 16mb works if you turn on nfs-swap 15:07 < jammcq> absor: if you have PXE, you can use that to download a linux kernel 15:11 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-40-188.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 15:12 < absor> oh! would that mean that i no longer have to burn eeproms? 15:12 < jammcq> right 15:12 < absor> that worries me much! oh, that would be great! 15:14 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:14 < Federico2> Is swap useful for a client that only act as a graphic terminal? 15:14 < lumi> jammcq: when trying the sound, I get "ltsp_kmod's are not instlaled. Please install them" 15:14 < jammcq> Federico2: only useful if the client needs swap 15:14 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 15:14 < jammcq> lumi: which sound package have you installed ? 15:15 < lumi> I've got the latest kernel. Do I need anyhing else? 15:15 < jammcq> yeah, you need a sound package 15:16 < jammcq> lumi: are you using LTSP or K12LTSP ? 15:16 < lumi> How do I get this package. I'm using 3.0 LTSP 15:16 < jammcq> go to http://www.ltsp.org/instructions-3.0.html 15:16 < jammcq> in the upper right corner of the page is a bunch of packages 15:16 < jammcq> grab the sound package 15:17 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:18 < lumi> I have that sound package, but it dies with the kmod error when I try to install 15:18 < jammcq> ok, when you installed the kernel package, did you install from rpm or tgz ? 15:18 < lumi> rpm 15:18 < jammcq> hmm 15:19 < lumi> \.10 15:19 < jammcq> you should definately have the kernel modules 15:19 < lumi> hmm 15:19 < jammcq> do this: ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules 15:19 < lumi> there are 2 kernels. one has -lpp in hte name 15:19 < jammcq> don't worry about -lpp 15:19 < lumi> In the rpm, I mean 15:19 < jammcq> that's ok 15:20 < lumi> so I don't need the ltspsound package? 15:20 < jammcq> yes, you do 15:20 < lumi> Okay, but it doesn't install from the install script. 15:20 < jammcq> do this: ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules 15:21 < lumi> I get 2 directories - 1 says 2.4.21-ltsp-1 and the other is the -lpp one 15:21 < jammcq> ok, so you have the kenrel modules 15:22 < jammcq> what is the name of the sound package you installed ? 15:22 < lumi> ltspsound-0.1c 15:22 < jammcq> I pointed you to the one on the insructions-3.0.html page, and ltspsound-0.1c is NOT on that page 15:22 < jammcq> GO to http://www.ltsp.org/instructions-3.0.html 15:23 < jammcq> find the ltsp_sound-3.0.1 package and install that 15:24 < lumi> Got the package 15:25 < lumi> Thanks. I'll give it another shot now 15:29 -!- parsley_ [[ROOozV7Pp@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:30 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:31 -!- morfic [~U3N@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 15:32 -!- linuxpoet [~Joshua@64.146.135.109] has left #ltsp [] 15:32 -!- lumi [~Omega@CPE00c0f02a0b5f-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ltsp [] 15:32 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #ltsp 15:33 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 15:39 -!- parsley_ [[8i5kZJGOP@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 15:48 -!- drzero [~drzero@213.237.27.10.adsl.ksa.worldonline.dk] has joined #ltsp 15:50 < drzero> I have a working LTSP3 server which runs with danish keyboard layout on all clients - there are however a few users who wish to use Dvorak layout instead, and since they roam I can't hardcode single clients to use dvorak, so I thought it would be possible to have KDE change the layout but even though KDE has set it to dvorak it is still danish keyboard. Anybody know how to achieve the desired effect? 15:54 < absor> jammcq: I can't find enough info on this terminals. How can I tell if they can PXE? 16:00 < Federico2> drzero: have you tried to change 16:00 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-40-188.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:01 < Federico2> the /etc/ for the client's linux? 16:01 < Federico2> kde runs on the server, not the client 16:02 -!- Yngwie_ [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it."] 16:08 -!- Zeus [~user@230-42-89.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ltsp 16:08 < Zeus> hello 16:14 -!- absor [~rodrigo@148.245.23.108] has quit ["brb"] 16:14 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:19 < Federico2> bye 16:20 < Zeus> bye 16:20 < Zeus> :) 16:20 < Federico2> :) 16:20 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:23 -!- drzero [~drzero@213.237.27.10.adsl.ksa.worldonline.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:23 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:26 -!- rallat [~rallat@140.Red-213-97-24.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 16:26 < rallat> hi! 16:27 < rallat> I have a problem with openoffice and display env :) 16:29 -!- parsley_ [[8i5kZJGOP@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:29 -!- parsley_ [[bIFB3YSHT@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 16:33 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit ["ttyal"] 16:38 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip229-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 16:43 -!- staft [~Andre@200.180.223.26] has quit ["Cliente saiu"] 16:44 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 16:48 -!- linuxpoet [~Joshua@64.146.135.109] has joined #ltsp 16:49 -!- linuxpoet [~Joshua@64.146.135.109] has left #ltsp [] 16:49 < rallat> the openoffice window display at the first terminal that execute it 16:50 -!- absor [~rodrigo@148.245.23.108] has joined #ltsp 16:51 < absor> hello! I found a config option on my thin client. It says "upgrade firmware". Do you think I could use this to copy a kernel onto the teleClient? 16:52 < absor> the dialog box hints of a url 16:57 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 16:57 < carlos-da-man> hi+ 16:57 < carlos-da-man> anybody in? 16:58 < carlos-da-man> I just attended at an LTSP workshop in Guadalajara http://fsl.glo.org.mx/ 16:58 -!- BadMagic [~BadMagic@lanip030.summitamusement-gw.bil.oneeighty.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:58 < carlos-da-man> Ill upload pics in a minute 17:03 -!- adam0 [~adam0@host81-129-95-239.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [] 17:05 -!- asker [~root@200.71.58.39] has joined #ltsp 17:07 -!- BadMagic [~BadMagic@lanip030.summitamusement-gw.bil.oneeighty.com] has joined #ltsp 17:07 < asker> hello, is there any issue with I810 video cards? 17:08 < asker> cause we couldn't make a Intel 810 work with the K12ltsp distro.. 17:09 < carlos-da-man> asker http://email.riverdale.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12ltspdig/965.html 17:10 < rallat> With the same user, the openoffice windows appears on the first terminal executes openoffice 17:11 < carlos-da-man> rallat huh? 17:11 < asker> carlos da man.... but i mean the intel Chip is on the client 17:11 < rallat> I execute openoffice for firstime in a terminal 17:11 < rallat> after execute openoffice in a second terminal and the window appears in the first terminal :D 17:12 < carlos-da-man> well I know you are not the only one with the problem, I recall someone mentioning it here before so you should try the mailing list archives http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ltsp-discuss 17:12 < carlos-da-man> rallat use different user names 17:13 < carlos-da-man> thats what user naes are for 17:13 < rallat> I can't :( 17:13 < carlos-da-man> useradd? 17:13 < rallat> noo 17:14 < rallat> because I need the same user for all the terminals 17:14 < rallat> because the kdm need to know the user to autologin 17:18 < carlos-da-man> rallat nyou must autologin an username per terminal 17:18 < carlos-da-man> thats why you can add many autologin lines ;) 17:19 < rallat> in the kdmrc ? 17:19 < carlos-da-man> yep 17:20 -!- gadi [~romm@h-66-166-99-234.NYCMNY83.covad.net] has joined #ltsp 17:20 < rallat> mmmm 17:20 < rallat> interesting... 17:20 < carlos-da-man> 8) 17:20 < carlos-da-man> examples even match usernames to workstation names if I recall 17:21 -!- gadi [~romm@h-66-166-99-234.NYCMNY83.covad.net] has left #ltsp [] 17:22 -!- ebb [0@82-44-187-118.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:24 -!- linuxpoet [~Joshua@64.146.135.109] has joined #ltsp 17:30 < absor> rodrigo@web0.ath.cx 17:30 < absor> pos ahi la llevo, acabo de empezar hoy, y tengo dudas bien cruentas! 17:30 < absor> oops, sorry. 17:31 -!- absor [~rodrigo@148.245.23.108] has left #ltsp [] 17:45 -!- linuxpoet [~Joshua@64.146.135.109] has left #ltsp [] 17:45 -!- _Dickinson_ [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has joined #ltsp 17:46 < _Dickinson_> jammcq: my hero 17:46 < _Dickinson_> lol 17:46 -!- rallat [~rallat@140.Red-213-97-24.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:46 < carlos-da-man> wheres jammcq? 17:50 < _Dickinson_> dunno 17:50 < _Dickinson_> carlos da man brazil?? 17:51 < carlos-da-man> _Dickinson_ yo soy de Mexico lindo y querido! 17:51 < _Dickinson_> heheheh 17:51 < carlos-da-man> heh 17:51 < _Dickinson_> e eu sou do brasil! 17:51 < carlos-da-man> solo hablo español and I can also speak english 17:52 < carlos-da-man> Today I stole the show at an ltsp workshop here http://fsl.glo.org.mx/ 17:52 < _Dickinson_> me too... but portuguese in place of spanish 17:52 < _Dickinson_> le me see 17:52 < carlos-da-man> kewl 17:55 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:56 < _Dickinson_> cool 17:56 < _Dickinson_> my university sux :/ 17:57 < _Dickinson_> theres just 1 laboratory with linux.. 17:57 < _Dickinson_> they don't care about free software 17:59 -!- asker [~root@200.71.58.39] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:00 < mistik1> they dont care about giving a *proper* education sounds closer to the point :) 18:02 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:02 < _Dickinson_> quite right 18:02 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.206] has joined #ltsp 18:03 < _Dickinson_> now we r having a class about flash... 18:03 < _Dickinson_> where is php?? and database access?? 18:03 < mistik1> the bane of the internet 18:03 < _Dickinson_> flash is for woman 18:04 < carlos-da-man> _Dickinson_ add a linux ltsp server only to each windows lab and boot terminals from a file.com 18:04 < _Dickinson_> webdesign 18:04 < mistik1> flash is for lazy people who dont know how really build website but eat your bandwidth with thier spam 18:04 < _Dickinson_> I have already did it! 18:04 < _Dickinson_> but in another university that I'm the system admin 18:05 < carlos-da-man> bluefish, screem, quanta plus, mozillla composer, got them all in a cute little menu ;) 18:05 < _Dickinson_> people that never listened about linux... using openoffice... 18:05 < _Dickinson_> this sounds like music to me 18:05 < carlos-da-man> mistik1 cheer me becuase I attender to an ltsp workshop at fsl.glo.org.mx 18:06 < carlos-da-man> _Dickinson_ I run a cyber cafe, most ppl just dont care 18:06 < mistik1> carlos-da-man: you deserve the Nick :) 18:06 < carlos-da-man> and thats ok 18:06 < mistik1> You are da man 18:06 < carlos-da-man> hehe 18:06 < carlos-da-man> Ill post pics in a minute 18:09 < _Dickinson_> cool 18:13 < _Dickinson_> carlos-da-man is the workshop running right now? 18:14 < carlos-da-man> nope, its 6:10 rn and it was at 1-3 18:15 < carlos-da-man> the highlight of the day was unplugging the lan cable, moving the mouse arround and plugging the lan back to see if ir really takes the session back hehehh 18:16 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:17 < _Dickinson_> and it tooked? 18:17 < carlos-da-man> yes of course, they where speachless with that one ;) 18:18 < _Dickinson_> i didn't know that... 18:18 < _Dickinson_> i'll try it 18:18 < _Dickinson_> lol 18:18 < carlos-da-man> when they saw the screen moving fast doing everythihg that was clicked they where cheering out loud! 18:18 < carlos-da-man> ohh yeahh its fun! ;) 18:19 < carlos-da-man> even when the lab is full of users typing into unsaved ooo docs ;) they all start complaining out loud and when it comes back they keep on typin totally clueless on what happened 18:24 < carlos-da-man> can you see the pics here? http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es/rlst?.dir=/&.src=gr&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es/lst%3f%26.dir=/Taller%2bde%2bLTSP%2ben%2bfsl.glo.org.mx%26.src=gr%26.view=t 18:26 < carlos-da-man> I am 4748 18:28 < carlos-da-man> thats an actual ISA ne2000 card with its eeprom ready for the demostration on a 486 http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es/vwp?.dir=/Taller+de+LTSP+en+fsl.glo.org.mx&.dnm=DCP_4751.jpg&.src=gr&.view=t&.hires=t 18:37 < _Dickinson_> what is the id and password? 18:47 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 18:48 -!- parsley__ [[GAKvNdVXb@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 18:49 < _Dickinson_> carlos-da-man: username and password 18:49 < _Dickinson_> ? 18:49 -!- rahmi [~rahmi@xqdug51.cm.chello.no] has joined #ltsp 18:51 < rahmi> language is my question ;) 18:51 -!- ayanami [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 18:51 < carlos-da-man> ohh register as yahoo users ;) 18:51 < rahmi> redhat 9 running norwegian tastatures 18:52 < rahmi> they dont comply with my LANG 18:52 < _Dickinson_> gimme yours ;) 18:52 < _Dickinson_> lol 18:53 < rahmi> no_NO hehe 18:53 < carlos-da-man> lol! 18:54 < _Dickinson_> gotta go... 18:54 < _Dickinson_> latter i'll come back 18:54 < carlos-da-man> ok 18:54 < _Dickinson_> seeya 18:54 -!- _Dickinson_ [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has left #ltsp [] 18:54 -!- monkeydiver [~deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 18:55 < rahmi> i love english channels aa ae oe is boring to use in no channels 18:57 -!- waap [~zxcvbnm@217.131.90.62] has joined #ltsp 19:02 < rahmi> no as in no_NO 19:03 -!- Lumiere [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:03 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 19:06 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:06 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 19:09 -!- Zeus [~user@230-42-89.adsl.terra.cl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:11 -!- ayanami [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:13 -!- waap [~zxcvbnm@217.131.90.62] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 19:13 -!- parsley_ [[bIFB3YSHT@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:31 -!- greendisease [~jack@82.166.105.11] has joined #ltsp 19:36 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 19:47 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 19:48 < carlos-da-man> hio 19:48 < carlos-da-man> hi 19:48 < carlos-da-man> who is in here? 19:48 < jammcq> well, I guess I am 19:50 -!- omio [~omio@adsl-154-108-127.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #ltsp 19:50 < omio> hello 19:50 < jammcq> hello 19:50 < carlos-da-man> jammcq hi 19:51 < carlos-da-man> is that a robot? 19:51 < carlos-da-man> anyways 19:51 < jammcq> what ? 19:51 < omio> hmm when i boot up my workstation it gets the dhcp fine 19:51 < omio> but when tries to get the kernel with tftp says file not found 19:51 < jammcq> omio: ok, what distro ? 19:52 < carlos-da-man> Jim I have created an spanish group for you tu please add to the website groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es 19:52 < omio> mandrake 19:52 < jammcq> isn't there already a #ltsp-spanish ? 19:52 < omio> 9.1 19:52 < jammcq> omio: ok, do this: grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf 19:52 < omio> mistik1 was helping me 19:52 < omio> at efnet 19:52 < omio> already did that 19:53 < omio> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-1"; 19:53 < omio> filename "/tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-1"; 19:53 < jammcq> ok, well I wasn't there to see it, and if you want me to help, then you'll do it again :) 19:53 < carlos-da-man> jammcq I also attended fsl.glo.org.mx and put pics here http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es/lst 19:53 < omio> heh yeah 19:53 < jammcq> omio: why do you have 2 different filename entries ? 19:53 < omio> first one is the one im using 19:53 < jammcq> are you sure ? 19:53 < omio> yes 19:54 < omio> very. 19:54 < jammcq> oh yeah, mandrake puts things in a different place. 19:54 < omio> well it came like that default 19:54 < jammcq> omio: do this: grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 19:54 < carlos-da-man> jammcq there was an LTSP workshop and I helped a lot 19:54 < jammcq> carlos-da-man: cool 19:54 < omio> but the absolute path is in /tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-dffdfd 19:54 < jammcq> omio: do this: grep server_args /etc/xinetd.d/tftp 19:54 < omio> doin it 19:54 < jammcq> k 19:55 < omio> server_args = -s /var/lib/tftpboot 19:55 < jammcq> heh 19:55 < jammcq> there ya go 19:55 < carlos-da-man> mandrake problem solving herer http://geocities.com/cucnews/#008 19:55 < omio> what? 19:55 < jammcq> you need to edit /etc/xinetd.d/tftp and change the '-s /var/lib/tftpboot' to be: '-s /tftpboot' 19:55 < omio> ahhh 19:55 < omio> thank god 19:55 < jammcq> heh 19:56 < jammcq> then, once you've changed that file, do this: service xinetd restart 19:56 < omio> yeah 19:56 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 19:56 < omio> let me do it thanks 19:56 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD9E1DDF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 19:57 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD9E1DDF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 19:57 < omio> time to test 19:58 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-3-212-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 19:58 < omio> worked! 19:58 < jammcq> heh 19:59 < omio> thanks 19:59 < omio> but. 19:59 < omio> hangs at syslogd 19:59 < omio> heh 19:59 < omio> fix one comes another 20:00 < jammcq> ok, do this: grep SYSLOGD_OPTIONS /etc/sysconfig/syslog 20:00 < omio> SYSLOGD_OPTIONS="-m 0 -r" 20:00 < jammcq> ok, have you rebooted since loading LTSP ? 20:00 -!- _Dickinson_ [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has joined #ltsp 20:00 < omio> huh? 20:00 < _Dickinson_> back to the cave 20:00 < omio> rebooted which machine 20:00 < jammcq> omio: i'm just wondering if you've restarted syslogd 20:00 < jammcq> the server 20:01 < omio> nope. 20:01 < jammcq> ok, do this: service syslog restart 20:01 < omio> do i shutdown the workstation? 20:01 < omio> first 20:01 < jammcq> no 20:01 < omio> k 20:01 < jammcq> don't worry about that yet. 20:01 < jammcq> restart syslogd, then reboot the client 20:02 < omio> hmm cant find it 20:02 < omio> service i mean 20:02 < jammcq> huh ? 20:02 < jammcq> it was there when you restarted xinetd 20:03 < _Dickinson_> hi jammcq: my hero! 20:03 < _Dickinson_> lol 20:03 < jammcq> heh, hey _Dickinson_ 20:03 < jammcq> whassup ? 20:03 < _Dickinson_> yo pickup the phone 20:03 < omio> pffft 20:03 < omio> i put d at the end my bad 20:03 < _Dickinson_> %) 20:04 < omio> its the little things that bite us in the ass 20:04 < omio> done. 20:04 < jammcq> reboot the client, lets see what happens 20:04 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 20:04 < omio> k 20:05 < carlos-da-man> why cant vnc get the font server? 20:05 < _Dickinson_> hey carlos-da-man: where is my password? 20:05 < jammcq> carlos-da-man: sorry, I don't use vnc 20:05 < carlos-da-man> heh, register as a yahoo user to see the pics, its a 3 step process 20:06 < omio> still hangs 20:06 < carlos-da-man> jammcq did you like my forum? 20:06 < _Dickinson_> I've already have one... 20:06 < omio> starting syslogd....... 20:06 < carlos-da-man> then login _Dickinson_ 20:06 < jammcq> omio: ok, in your lts.conf file, set RUNLEVEL = 3 20:06 < jammcq> carlos-da-man: sorry, havne't looked yet 20:06 < jammcq> been busy :) 20:06 < _Dickinson_> it gimme an error 20:06 < omio> k 20:06 < _Dickinson_> which is the address? 20:07 < omio> do i have to restart anything? 20:07 < _Dickinson_> jammcq: I'm ready to translate the installation guide... 20:08 -!- rahmi [~rahmi@xqdug51.cm.chello.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:08 < _Dickinson_> use cvs?? copy the page and translate using html?? 20:08 < jammcq> _Dickinson_: it's not in cvs 20:08 < omio> what you trying to translate to? 20:08 < jammcq> which install guide are you talking about ? 20:09 < _Dickinson_> brazilian portuguese 20:09 < omio> esssh 20:09 < mistik1> omio: sorry I had to cut out on you but I see you found good company 20:09 < mistik1> and yes that is my name 20:10 < carlos-da-man> groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es 20:10 < jammcq> hey mistik1 20:10 < mistik1> Hey jim 20:10 < _Dickinson_> http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html <- this 20:10 < omio> cool 20:10 < omio> well it booted all the way........... 20:11 < omio> thanks alot guys 20:11 < _Dickinson_> just copy and use an html editor then send via mail to you?? 20:11 < jammcq> _Dickinson_: that's the full docs. that is all done in sgml, using DocBook 20:11 < mistik1> omio: you got a desktop? 20:11 < omio> could of help you translate to spanish.. 20:11 < jammcq> you really need to join the LTSP-translations team 20:11 < omio> mistik1 command line 20:11 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 20:11 < omio> no x for now 20:11 < jammcq> we've got tools for building the html, pdf, ps and txt from sgml 20:12 < omio> oh crap 20:12 < _Dickinson_> where can i get it? 20:12 < omio> how is this supposed to look? 20:13 < jammcq> _Dickinson_: get what ? 20:14 < _Dickinson_> join the translate team... 20:14 < jammcq> http://www.ltsp.org/mailinglists.php 20:14 < jammcq> go to that page and sign up 20:14 < _Dickinson_> :) 20:14 < jammcq> the sgml source and tools are in the package called 'ltsp_doc_kit-0.3.tgz', on the ltsp download page 20:15 < _Dickinson_> thx 20:15 < omio> hmmm is this like i install stuff now? 20:15 < jammcq> go ahead and join the mailing list. Send a message introducing yourself. David Johnston is the leader of the team. I suspect you'll get a reply from him 20:15 < jammcq> omio: install what ? 20:15 < _Dickinson_> carlos-da-man: which is you? 20:16 < omio> hmmm is it supposed to have like the apps on the server? 20:16 < omio> or is this like independent 20:17 < jammcq> omio: did you get a graphical login ? 20:17 < jammcq> or a shell prompt ? 20:17 < omio> shell 20:17 * jammcq forgot he told omio to set RUNLEVEL = 3 :) 20:17 < carlos-da-man> _Dickinson_ Im the one in gray 20:17 < jammcq> ok, do this: sh /tmp/start_ws 20:18 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 20:18 < omio> jammcq i want runlevel 3 20:18 < jammcq> why ? 20:18 < jammcq> runlevel 3 on the workstation is for diagnostics mode only 20:18 < omio> dang. 20:18 < omio> might as well have to 20:18 < jammcq> what do you want to do ? 20:19 < omio> i just want to irc and code 20:19 < omio> maybe use lynx here and there 20:19 < jammcq> well, your choices are 4=telnet mode, 5=gui mode 20:19 < jammcq> either way, you'll be logging into the server to do your work 20:19 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:19 < omio> so it has to be 4 or 5 20:20 < jammcq> or you can do something custom 20:20 < jammcq> but there's no application software running on the thin client 20:20 < jammcq> it's all on the server 20:20 < jammcq> the client only runs the Linux kernel, and either a telnet client or an Xserver 20:20 < omio> ok 20:20 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 20:21 < omio> so i have to go to 4 20:21 < omio> or 5 20:21 < jammcq> are you asking which to use ? 20:21 < omio> 3 ddiagnostics 20:21 < omio> no just makeing sure 20:21 < jammcq> k 20:21 < jammcq> 3=diag, 4=char, 5=gui 20:22 < omio> yeah 20:22 < _Dickinson_> jammcq: have you ever thought to port ltsp to *bsd? 20:22 < jammcq> in LTSP-4, we're adding lots more 20:22 < omio> jammcq you created ltsp? 20:22 < jammcq> _Dickinson_: yeah, talked about it a few times, but at this point, I need to focus on getting everything we want in Linux 20:22 < jammcq> omio: yup 20:22 < omio> wow. 20:22 < _Dickinson_> omio: hes my hero! lol 20:23 < omio> i think im getting the best help in the world right about now. 20:23 < jammcq> heh 20:23 < omio> no offense mistik1 20:23 < omio> yer great too 20:23 < omio> :) 20:23 < jammcq> heh, mistik1 is damn good too 20:23 < carlos-da-man> _Dickinson_ there is very good documentation on diskless terminals with BSD 20:23 < omio> yes he took me thru the entire install 20:24 < carlos-da-man> but BSD heads are still proud of doing things s the hard way 20:24 -!- jstraw is now known as Lumiere 20:24 < omio> so why did i boot to diagnostics mode? 20:26 < jammcq> omio: cuz sometimes i've seen, when it hangs at 'starting syslog', if we switch to runlevel 3, it boots fine. then, if you switch back to rl 5, it continues to work fine. 20:26 -!- macros [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:26 < omio> oh a little bug in the software? 20:27 < omio> heh 20:27 < omio> let me switch it back 20:27 < jammcq> I haven't had the time to figure out why this happens. Usually the first thing we do to troubleshoot is switch to runlevel 3, then, myseriously, the problem goes away 20:28 < omio> oh 20:30 -!- parsley__ [[GAKvNdVXb@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:31 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.206] has quit ["Client exiting"] 20:31 < omio> wow dude worked. 20:31 -!- macros [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has joined #ltsp 20:33 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 20:34 < omio> so why did you decide to make this? 20:36 < omio> well guess every one is gone well thanks alot to every one and thanks for making such an awsome project 20:36 < jammcq> omio: the full story is on the LTSP.org website. but, basically, we had a customer who needed some terminals. we tried various solutions but couldn't get any of them to give us exactly what we needed, so we created our own 20:36 < omio> bye 20:37 < omio> oh yer still alive 20:37 < omio> heh 20:37 < jammcq> yeah, sometimes we get distracted for a few minutes 20:37 < jammcq> omio: where are you located ? 20:37 < carlos-da-man> jammcq I created yahoos ltsp-es forum because many people at the workshop complained that this forum is in spainsh, of course they are too shy to ask in spanish, so my forum is at least a proposition similar to the german speaking one 20:37 < omio> florida miami 20:37 < jammcq> carlos-da-man: yeah, too bad you have to create a yahoo account 20:38 < jammcq> omio: ah, nice and warm down there. I'm at the other end of I-75 20:39 < omio> heh 20:39 < omio> so thats hmm 20:39 < omio> i dont have a map 20:39 < jammcq> detroit 20:39 < omio> wow. 20:39 < omio> far 20:39 < jammcq> not quite the end of I-75 20:40 < omio> so you speak spanish? 20:40 < jammcq> no, not me 20:40 < jammcq> carlos-da-man is the spanish dude 20:40 < omio> ahh 20:41 < jammcq> heh, here in the midwest, the only language we learn is american english :) 20:41 -!- parsley__ [[l0Kze8K4g@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 20:41 < jammcq> the only spanish I know is: No habla Espaniol 20:41 < jammcq> mistik1: hey, you still around ? 20:41 < _Dickinson_> lol 20:41 < omio> heh 20:41 < _Dickinson_> jammcq: here is another one 20:41 < _Dickinson_> nao falo portugues 20:41 < jammcq> heh 20:42 < jammcq> and, I've been to Spain AND Brazil, and still, I haven't learned the languages 20:42 < omio> heh 20:42 < jammcq> prolly alot of spanish down in Miami, eh ? 20:42 < omio> alot 20:43 * jammcq wishes he had taken spanish in high school. would be very helpful these days 20:43 < omio> yeah well i was born with spanish 20:43 < jammcq> back in school, it just didn't seem important 20:43 < omio> my first language but i started losing it 20:43 < omio> i can write spanish =/ 20:43 < omio> can't* 20:44 < _Dickinson_> the most intersting part that spanish from mexico is differento than argentina,paraguay 20:44 < _Dickinson_> gotta go... 20:44 -!- _Dickinson_ [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has left #ltsp [] 20:44 -!- arc_ [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #ltsp ["Terminando cliente"] 20:44 < omio> i know cuban spanish 20:45 < omio> jammcq how old are ya? 20:45 * jammcq is an old fart, 42 20:45 < omio> heh 20:45 < omio> very. 20:45 * omio young fart, 16 20:45 < jammcq> i've prolly got kids your age 20:45 < jammcq> heh, yep. Got a 16yr old daughter 20:46 < omio> :P 20:46 < jammcq> she just got her drivers license a few months ago. scares the hell out of me 20:46 < omio> ahhh crap 20:46 < omio> i remembered have to make an appointment 20:46 < omio> but i dont go out much. 20:47 < omio> does she like computers? 20:47 < jammcq> yeah, all my kids are very computer literate 20:47 < omio> cool they use linux? 20:47 < jammcq> oh yes 20:47 < jammcq> but, I confess, we do have some windows here too 20:48 < omio> heh its a must these days 20:49 < omio> so you used to play around with PDP's? 20:49 < jammcq> uhh, no, i'm not quite that old :) 20:49 < omio> heh 20:49 < omio> those where in the 1960's 20:49 < bill_c> pdp? 20:49 < omio> hmmm 20:49 < omio> yeah yer right 20:50 < omio> well i played around with apple II's 20:50 < omio> heh 20:50 < omio> bill_c yes 20:50 < omio> the matter of fact unix was coded on a pdp 20:50 < omio> i think PDP-7 or 11 20:51 < omio> same with B and NB and C 20:52 < omio> well got homework 21:08 -!- TrAnCeFX [ypwlvy@h-66-167-211-60.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has quit ["Hmmm. EPIC4-1.1.12 (578) has another bug. Go figure..."] 21:15 < carlos-da-man> jammcq still here? 21:17 -!- david_ [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 21:17 < david_> Hello, Jim. 21:17 < jammcq> carlos-da-man: hey 21:18 < jammcq> david_: hey 21:19 < david_> Does anyone remember anything odd about digital NVidia video cards? 21:19 < jammcq> hmm, not me 21:20 < bill_c> kde peep's, when a user doesn't logout (ie turns computer off), kdeinit and other programs like openoffice or evolution keep running on server, and won't work the next time they log in. 21:20 < david_> A client came up with an NV5 TnT2 Riva connected to a 15" flatpanel; the specs say the flatpanel runs at 1024x768, but whenever I start X the display goes nuts (looks like an overdriven CRT 21:20 < bill_c> anyone have any ides how to kill their old session when logging in? 21:21 < jammcq> bill_c: are they using KDM or GDM ? 21:21 < bill_c> i've tried both 21:21 < bill_c> same prob 21:21 < jammcq> i've never seen the problem with kdm, but gdm causes that all the time 21:22 < bill_c> yeah I had heard that, so I tried it with kdm today 21:22 < david_> bill_c: could you run a cleanup script on logout? GDM has /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/*, not sure about KDM. 21:22 < david_> I've been having problems with oafd not exiting; everything else exits fine. 21:23 < david_> kill `ps -aef| grep ^$USER | cut -c10-15` kills every process belonging to $USER 21:24 < jammcq> or, you could use pkill 21:24 < david_> You need to be careful with that, though; if they're signed in on two terminals, you'll kill the other session. 21:24 < jammcq> but, they shouldn't log in on 2 terminals using the same user id 21:24 -!- omio [~omio@adsl-154-108-127.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit ["i hate homework"] 21:24 < jammcq> that causes all sorts of other problems 21:25 < bill_c> wow never knew about pkill, jamm always has some nifty command 21:25 < carlos-da-man> david_ http://geocities.com/cucnews/suicide.html 21:25 < david_> agreed, multiple sessions do cause problems. 21:25 < david_> Thanks for the tip on pkill, I'll try it out 21:25 < bill_c> yeah kde goes nuts with multiple sessions 21:25 < jammcq> so does gnome 21:25 < jammcq> and mozilla 21:26 < bill_c> i'll try a pkill script pre and post login and see if that clears it up 21:26 < david_> It will also kill backgrounded jobs the user wanted to leave running, which may or may not be a problem for you. 21:27 < bill_c> not a prob for me, these are terminals in computer lab, don't need users running background jobs 21:27 < bill_c> evolution will keep checking your email in the old session, sucks when using imap (my imap server only allows 1 connection to mailbox) 21:28 < bill_c> so hopefully the post session script will get fired if you just turn your computer off 21:28 < jammcq> well, should be easy to test 21:28 < bill_c> hehe yeah 21:31 < david_> Jim, what's new? Did you ever finish that build you were working on? 21:32 < jammcq> build ? I don't remember now 21:32 < jammcq> been busy tho 21:34 < david_> I seem to remember jokes about X builds on a "rinky-dink" four-way server. 21:51 -!- parsley_ [[0Y1v5xgxP@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 21:56 * david_ found the NVidia docs on the XFree86.org site 22:00 -!- david_ [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 22:01 -!- parsley__ [[l0Kze8K4g@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:04 < jammcq> mistik1: hey, you around ? 22:04 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 22:10 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 22:43 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.16] has joined #ltsp 22:47 < mistik1> am now 22:48 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:52 < jammcq> mistik1: hey 22:52 < jammcq> we've got some of our friends who keep disconnecting/reconnecting but never talking 22:53 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 22:54 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 22:54 < jammcq> morfic: hey, you really there ? 22:55 < morfic> yes 22:55 < morfic> box just went boom 22:55 < morfic> guess the XP got tired of the router being the only going boom 22:55 < jammcq> morfic: how come you keep disconnecting/reconnecting ? 22:55 < jammcq> happens a whole lot 22:56 < jammcq> are you on dialup ? 22:56 < morfic> router networking dies 22:56 < morfic> this was the desktop 22:56 < morfic> but its usualy router 22:56 < jammcq> several times a day ? 22:56 < morfic> P166/32MB 22:57 < morfic> seems i hit some fun OOM Killer obscurity 22:57 < morfic> yes i disconnect go to work 22:57 < morfic> irc from work 22:57 < morfic> lose connection 22:57 < morfic> reconnect 22:57 < morfic> and to make it al more fun i had 2 lockups on desktop *TODAY* 22:57 < morfic> :) 22:58 < morfic> ever seen a box going from doing nat/firewall fine, then BOOM no ping reply from it, connection REFUSED, not timing out 22:58 < morfic> it runs but networking is DEAD 22:58 < morfic> my connection is tight, its my router thats ill :( 22:59 < morfic> in ocotber i get a new case for desktop, then the old POS case il put my tbird750 w/ 768MB on and swoosh have a tight router :) 22:59 < morfic> 22:59 < morfic> ;) 23:05 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.16] has quit ["Client exiting"] 23:17 < bill_c> morfic: I have same problem with iptables/nat setup 23:17 < morfic> there was a thread about OOM Killer 23:17 < morfic> it might not kill the offending app/hog 23:17 < morfic> it could kill an essential process 23:18 < morfic> if i understood them right 23:18 < bill_c> that makes sense, I'll have to turn on heavy logging and see if thats my prob 23:18 < morfic> so right now im trying to compile 2.4.22-aa1 23:18 < morfic> as andrea is working on fixing that 23:18 < morfic> and i recompiled thttpd i had 2.20b 2.23beta1, man so many fixes since my version 23:19 < morfic> and today my box locked up after someone checked a icewm screenshot on my http 23:19 < bill_c> yeah we are using ltsp in a couple computer labs, and when iptables goes down, 60 desktops can't get to internet 23:21 < morfic> i stunnel/tinyproxy though it to www/irc form work 23:21 < morfic> luckily freenode has a ssl server 23:22 < morfic> jammcq: thats when i return with walledcity.de then im at work and router is dead 23:27 -!- deo [~dorneles@200-203-012-232.cslce7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:27 -!- deo [~dorneles@200-203-012-232.cslce7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 23:40 -!- Lumiere [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:45 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:50 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] --- Day changed Fri Sep 05 2003 00:02 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip229-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:11 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:18 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 00:31 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:34 -!- sm0ke [kentz@12-233-236-2.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 00:39 -!- manimay_ [~mani@pD9544B28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:44 -!- manimay_ [~mani@pD9E634DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 00:45 -!- Kevin [~kevin@66.97.194.6] has joined #ltsp 00:47 < Kevin> Is anyone here that has loaded Win4Lin 5.0 on ltsp? I've downloaded win4lin 5.0 but am wondering about the best way to install it. Help?? 01:15 < Kevin> Is there a converstation going on elsewhere that I'm missing? Anyone with experience in ltsp and win4lin that could help? 01:17 < morfic> X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "SilkenMouse" "true" 01:17 < morfic> is that possible? 01:17 < morfic> or 01:17 < morfic> X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = '"SilkenMouse" "true"' 01:17 < morfic> or anyway? 01:18 < morfic> jammcq: ping 01:19 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:19 < Kevin> anyone help with ltsp & win4lin? 01:29 -!- matthewct [~matthewct@adm235077.urel.wsu.edu] has joined #ltsp 01:29 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 01:30 < matthewct> Anyone know what to, trying to boot and I get these errors: 01:30 < matthewct> mount: NFS failed: Bad file number 01:31 < matthewct> NFS: mount program didn't pass remote addrss! 01:32 < matthewct> mount: Mounting 192.168.1.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument 01:32 < jond3rd> matthewct: what do you have in your /etc/exports file ? 01:33 < matthewct> /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash) 01:34 < jond3rd> matthewct: from that you should already know why NFS fails to mount :) 01:34 < matthewct> /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) 01:34 < matthewct> Everything else is a comment.. 01:34 < jond3rd> matthewct: you need to fix /etc/exports file 01:34 < Kevin> Anyone with ltsp and win4lin experience? 01:35 < jond3rd> Kevin: hey!, how's your pxe problem? 01:35 < Kevin> got it solved..on to other things 01:36 < Kevin> jond3rd: I've now downloaded win4lin but am a little stuck on how to install it. 01:36 < matthewct> I fixed it.. 01:36 < matthewct> Thanks.. 01:36 < jond3rd> Kevin: hmm, haven't use win4lin 01:37 < jond3rd> matthewct: is it ok now? 01:37 < Kevin> jond3rd: there is the command? sitting there of "win4lin-install" but I don't know how to invoke it 01:38 < matthewct> Yeah.. I copied an older copy of exports that worked for another one I had... I different lab. 01:38 < matthewct> Thanks... 01:38 < Kevin> I typed it, but it says command not found. 01:38 < matthewct> I feel good now.. Now I need to get rdesktop installed. 01:38 < jond3rd> matthewct: no probs :) 01:44 -!- morfic__ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 01:44 -!- matthewct [~matthewct@adm235077.urel.wsu.edu] has quit ["Client exiting"] 01:44 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:45 -!- morfic__ is now known as morfic 01:48 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 01:52 < Kevin> Last chance for some lucky person to tell me how to invoke the command "win4lin-install" ?? 01:55 -!- Kevin [~kevin@66.97.194.6] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 02:01 -!- Depok_DiZZy_Cauz [~si_nno@203.130.222.100] has joined #ltsp 02:04 -!- Depok_DiZZy_Cauz [~si_nno@203.130.222.100] has left #ltsp [] 02:11 -!- dida [~si_nno@203.130.222.100] has joined #ltsp 02:15 -!- nick_1 [cs@203.130.216.73] has joined #ltsp 02:15 < nick_1> jagman2 02:15 -!- nick_1 is now known as jagman2 02:16 -!- dida [~si_nno@203.130.222.100] has left #ltsp [] 02:23 -!- monkeydiver [~deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Gone diving in code/network"] 02:59 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 03:00 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 03:24 -!- jon_ [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 03:24 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:31 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 03:31 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has joined #ltsp 03:32 < Federico3> hi 03:47 -!- jagman2 [cs@203.130.216.73] has left #ltsp [] 03:48 -!- noam [~noam@DSL212-235-66-81.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ltsp 03:48 < noam> hi :) 03:49 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD9E1DDF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 03:49 < noam> I'm pretty much new to all this. I wonder, once I mount the root with an initrd, when the loading completes, will the root filesystem be remounted with NFS? 03:49 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD9E1DDF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 03:53 < noam> aight, I just answered my question 03:53 < noam> thanks 04:02 -!- jagman2 [cs@203.130.216.73] has joined #ltsp 04:19 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has joined #ltsp 04:22 -!- semtex [~semtex@195.159.154.114] has joined #ltsp 04:33 -!- jon_ [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:45 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 04:47 -!- sm0ke [kentz@12-233-236-2.client.attbi.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:53 -!- noam [~noam@DSL212-235-66-81.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:56 -!- jon_ [~jon@202.8.246.83] has joined #ltsp 05:04 -!- jon_ [~jon@202.8.246.83] has quit ["Client exiting"] 05:04 -!- greendisease [~jack@82.166.105.11] has quit ["Client exiting"] 05:07 < semtex> hei, any easy way to broadcast a message to all terminals, have tried wall [message] but doesnt seem to work 05:13 -!- jond3rd [~jon@solidservice.com.ph] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:17 < semtex> maybe wall works in kde? can it work in icewm? or can something else? 05:18 < Federico3> wall works only on a console 05:18 < semtex> ok, any idea what to use in ice? 05:38 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 05:45 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 05:59 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it."] 06:00 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 06:22 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 06:25 -!- semtex [~semtex@195.159.154.114] has quit ["Klienten avslutter"] 06:34 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 06:36 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has joined #ltsp 07:00 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 07:08 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 07:15 -!- parsley__ [[Dnu4cjDLs@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 07:16 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 07:17 -!- parsley_ [[0Y1v5xgxP@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:24 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 07:26 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 07:44 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:51 -!- Galorin [~richard@dial-62-64-200-173.access.uk.tiscali.com] has joined #ltsp 07:53 < Galorin> I've got a 3com 3c905c-tx card that I want to use with LTSP. I've got everything except the config.ne2000 file a howto says I need to use to make the card compatable with etherboot 07:56 < Galorin> where can I get this file from, or has the problem with this particular card been worked around? 08:00 -!- misato [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 08:04 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-172-209.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 08:13 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 08:20 < Galorin> anyone else have access to the config.ne2000 file? 08:31 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-3-212-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:35 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 08:39 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 08:40 -!- Galorin [~richard@dial-62-64-200-173.access.uk.tiscali.com] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 08:42 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DDF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 08:54 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 09:05 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@cvip-as05-ppp134.cvip.net] has joined #ltsp 09:27 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:28 -!- Chip33az [~chip33az@cpe-66-1-75-128.az.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ltsp 09:33 < Chip33az> Besides using .deb packages to install, are the install steps similar to the ones listed for Redhat? 09:35 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-172-209.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 09:43 -!- Chip33az [~chip33az@cpe-66-1-75-128.az.sprintbbd.net] has left #ltsp [] 09:58 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-0962.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 10:01 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 10:02 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 10:04 < project9_> i setup openmosix with rh 9 and put one node but node is not showing is MOSMON how do i check my openmosix is working 10:12 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@cvip-as05-ppp134.cvip.net] has quit ["Money talks, bullshit walks..."] 10:30 -!- r4nd0m1z [~peter@142.179.173.112] has joined #ltsp 10:33 < r4nd0m1z> I'm having trouble booting a box with a Matsushita-Kotobuki ATI floppy (optical?) drive -- regular floppy drive doesn't work at all. Any ideas? 10:35 < r4nd0m1z> all I get with the ATI drive is 0000.0000 10:35 < r4nd0m1z> but it'll boot a windows boot disk OK 10:42 < jammcq> r4nd0m1z: what is on the ATI drive ? 10:46 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 10:47 < r4nd0m1z> jammcq: what is on it? 10:48 < r4nd0m1z> sorry, don't know what you mean by "on". It's a floopy drive 10:49 < r4nd0m1z> the floppy contains the dfe538 boot rom 10:49 < jammcq> ah 10:49 < jammcq> you said it is an 'Optical floppy' 10:49 < jammcq> does it take a standard 1.44" floppy disk ? 10:50 < r4nd0m1z> ahh, well it's a floppy...but it has "class 1 laser" stickers on it 10:50 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 10:50 < r4nd0m1z> yes it takes standard 1.44" floppy disks 10:50 < jammcq> ok, how did you make the floppy image ? 10:50 < jammcq> dd, cp, cat ... 10:50 < r4nd0m1z> cat... 10:50 < jammcq> show me the command line you used 10:51 < r4nd0m1z> cat eb-5.0.5-dfe538.lzdsk > /dev/fd0 (on a different machine) 10:51 < jammcq> well, that should do it. I usually do: dd if=eb.... of=/dev/fd0 10:52 < jammcq> but both should work. Can you try another disk ? 10:54 < r4nd0m1z> same 10:54 < r4nd0m1z> tried 3 others -- no diff 10:54 < jammcq> hmm 10:54 < jammcq> I suspect a problem with the floppy drive 10:55 < jammcq> can you try booting the other linux machine from the floppy you made ? 10:55 < r4nd0m1z> OK, brb 10:59 < r4nd0m1z> yup, disk boots another box fine 11:00 < jammcq> well, there ya go 11:00 < jammcq> hw problem 11:00 < r4nd0m1z> maybe, except that it'll boot a windows boot disk OK 11:00 < r4nd0m1z> just not a boot ROM 11:00 < jammcq> oh yeah 11:01 < r4nd0m1z> it's got me ... 11:01 < jammcq> well, etherboot has a bootloader in front of it. the bios knows how to load the bootloader, then the bootloader takes over and reads the rest of the image from the floppy. maybe there's an incompatibility between the etherboot bootloader and the particular hardware you have 11:02 < r4nd0m1z> that must be it 11:02 < jammcq> well, sounds good, anyway :) 11:02 < r4nd0m1z> heh 11:03 < r4nd0m1z> what I can't figure out is why the box doesn't work with an ordinary floppy in it 11:04 < r4nd0m1z> drive 11:05 < r4nd0m1z> and there's nothing in the BIOS for the IDE drive (that I can see) that disables an ordinary floppy drive 11:13 < r4nd0m1z> jammcq: well thanks for the help. At least I know I'm not doing something stupid :) 11:33 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-41-188.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 11:34 -!- carlos_ [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 11:35 < carlos_> hi all 11:35 < carlos_> hola a todos 11:37 -!- carlos_ [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Client Quit] 11:45 < r4nd0m1z> jammcq: found out that the floopy drive I have is a LS-120 superdisk (120 Mb) 11:46 < carlos-da-man> r4nd0m1z Id like to make those kind of discoveries once in a while ;) 11:48 < r4nd0m1z> haha...now to figure out why it doesn't boot the dfe boot ROM 11:49 < carlos-da-man> does the workstation have any other type of media? 11:49 -!- wftl [~salmar@CPE00c0f02a0b5f-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ltsp 11:50 < carlos-da-man> jammcq are you in there? 11:50 < r4nd0m1z> yeah...CD-ROM 11:51 < carlos-da-man> r4nd0mlz why not booting from CD-ROM? >;) 11:51 * r4nd0m1z light finally goes on 11:51 < carlos-da-man> huh? 11:51 < r4nd0m1z> of course...never tried that before 11:52 -!- TrAnCeFX [mplufq@h-66-167-211-60.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has joined #ltsp 11:52 < r4nd0m1z> I just burn the boot ROM to the CD? 11:53 < carlos-da-man> jammcq Id like to make it into your front page news: September 5, 2003 - Spanish support forum Carlos Urbieta has setup a support site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es to offer help for those speaking Spanish 11:55 < carlos-da-man> r4nd0m1z let me look for a dof for you but in my theory (I have read some people have done it though) just burn an "el torito" bootable CD-ROM and the program will ask for a floppy image to use for booting into, so that image just needs a 'sys a:', your 'nic.com' and 'autoexec.bat' executing it 11:56 < jammcq> carlos-da-man: okie dokey. take a look at http://www.ltsp.org 11:56 < carlos-da-man> thanks! 12:01 < carlos-da-man> btw Jim I posted the pictures I took yesterday into the forum in case your like to see me 12:01 < carlos-da-man> you´d 12:01 < carlos-da-man> like to 12:01 < jammcq> I can't look at the forum, I don't have a yahoo account 12:05 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 12:10 < misato> hey jammcq 12:11 < jammcq> hey misato 12:11 < jammcq> how's school ? 12:11 < misato> get any pictures from SF? 12:11 < misato> good 12:11 < misato> WEEEEEKEEENDDDD! :) 12:11 < jammcq> yeah ? passing anything ? 12:11 < misato> yea 12:11 < misato> I think 12:12 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 12:13 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-41-188.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:27 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 12:35 < wftl> Is there an LTSP performance tuning guide or some such thing? I find that some workstations seem a tad slow, particularly when running something like OpenOffice. Redraws seem to drag 12:36 < misato> wftl: can you describe your setup 12:36 < misato> (cause there is no definative guide) 12:37 < wftl> The setup is an IBM server running RH 7.3 with LTSP 3.0 packages. The thin clients are Jammin 125s with 17 inch flat panels. 12:39 < wftl> There is tons of memory on the server (1 gig) with 25 users, but only 6 thin clients at this time. 12:40 < wftl> We find that the redraw in particular seems to slow down quite dramatically at times. 12:40 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.170] has joined #ltsp 12:42 < jammcq> wftl: sounds like a networking issue maybe 12:42 < jammcq> are you running 100mbit ? 12:43 < wftl> I thought so, but we may have some old routers here. Let me have a quick look around 12:44 < wftl> I'm at a customer site and things are a bit messy back there. I'll be a minute. ;0 12:44 < wftl> ;) 12:46 < BadMagic> jammcq: hello! help? 12:46 < BadMagic> hi all 12:46 < jammcq> hey BadMagic 12:46 < BadMagic> having a small problem I bet you could fix in a second 12:46 < jammcq> ok, tell me about your problem 12:47 < BadMagic> I want to get rid of the ram drive 12:47 < BadMagic> I added the second jammin 12:47 < jammcq> ok 12:47 < BadMagic> and got my video compressed to 5MB and it still looks awesome 12:47 < BadMagic> so, I went into dhcpd.conf and remmed out the option 128 & 129 lines, added the mac of the new jammin 12:48 < jammcq> ok 12:48 < BadMagic> edited the lts.conf file and remmed out the ramdrive = 12:48 < jammcq> k 12:48 < BadMagic> and now they both come up with no screens found 12:48 < jammcq> bwahahaha 12:48 < jammcq> any chance you mucked up the XSERVER setting in lts.conf ? 12:48 < BadMagic> hang on, going to undo the file copy to ramdrive 12:48 < jammcq> ah 12:49 < jammcq> i'll bet you are filling the 1mb ramdisk with your image 12:49 < jammcq> not having any room for the XF86Config file that gets built 12:50 < BadMagic> remming out the rcfile_01 = did the trick! 12:50 < BadMagic> thanks for figuring it out for me hehehehe 12:50 < jammcq> heh, nice and easy 12:50 < jammcq> BadMagic: when is the show in vegas ? 12:50 < BadMagic> also, I NEED to disable the screen blaking 12:50 < jammcq> hmm 12:50 < jammcq> ok 12:50 < BadMagic> everything MUST be done by end of day Mon. 12:50 < jammcq> lemme check the settings 12:51 < jammcq> you still using LTSP-4 ? 12:51 < BadMagic> yepper 12:51 < jammcq> good boy 12:51 < BadMagic> arf 12:51 * BadMagic tail wags feverishly 12:52 < BadMagic> did it on the kiosk with.... 12:52 * jammcq throws brad a scooby snack 12:52 < BadMagic> setterm -blank 0 12:52 < BadMagic> xset s off 12:52 < BadMagic> xset s noblank 12:52 < BadMagic> xset -dpms 12:52 < BadMagic> added those to the load_files script and complains on boot about not finding setterm or xset 12:53 < jammcq> well, setterm is a console command, not for X 12:53 < jammcq> xset isn't there, cuz you didn't build it. Although it is in the latest ltsp-4 builds. but don't worry about that. There's a setting we can add to the XF86Config file to disable that 12:53 < jammcq> lemme research it for a sec 12:53 < BadMagic> right, I believe that it will still kick in on an x session 12:53 < r4nd0m1z> carlos-da-man: OK...following instructions from: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/ltsp/Etherboot-On-CDR-HOWTO.txt I get Size of boot image is 16 sectors -> mkisofs: Error - boot image './boot/boot.img' is not the an allowable size. Any ideas? 12:54 < BadMagic> jammcq: perfect! awaiting your return 12:55 < jammcq> BadMagic: ok, you need to edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg 12:56 < BadMagic> am I going to have to re-compile? 12:56 * BadMagic looks scared 12:56 < jammcq> no 12:56 < jammcq> just need to add a couple lines 12:57 < BadMagic> k, there 12:57 < wftl> Hey jammcq: Yep. All old 10 mbit hubs. Looks pretty darn likely. 12:57 < wftl> Not a switch in sight 12:57 < jammcq> wftl: well, there ya go 12:58 < jammcq> BadMagic: they've moved some of the options around between X3.3.6 and X4.3, i'm trying to check the options. it might just be a couple simple settings in lts.conf that we can add 12:58 < BadMagic> jammcq: you da man, standing by 12:59 < jammcq> BadMagic: looks like the default is 10 minutes, does that seem about right ? 12:59 < jammcq> hang on, a truck just showed up 12:59 < BadMagic> sure, but don't want any at all.... 12:59 < BadMagic> no problem 13:00 < BadMagic> jammcq: they just went blank from the boot you helped with with just now. might be exactly 10 mins or a little less 13:01 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 13:05 < carlos-da-man> r4nd0m1z Id use xcdroast instead of mkisofs, at least thats how I know how to use it, juat choose eltorito, it will ask for floppy.img etc... 13:07 < r4nd0m1z> ah, OK 13:11 < jammcq> BadMagic: ok, based on the XFree documentation, it's hard to see which section needs the options. So, we just need to try it and see. 13:11 < jammcq> edit your build_x4_cfg script 13:13 < jammcq> BadMagic: you with me ? 13:13 < BadMagic> jamcq: sorry, here 13:14 < jammcq> heh 13:14 < jammcq> ok, edit your build_x4_cfg script 13:14 < BadMagic> have it open 13:14 < jammcq> go down to around line 260 13:14 < jammcq> see the 'Section "Screen"' ? 13:14 < jammcq> almost at the end of the file 13:14 < BadMagic> 250: Device "My Video Card" in Section Screen 13:15 < jammcq> yeah 13:15 < BadMagic> there 13:15 < jammcq> k, you need to add a couple of lines in that section. right after the: Monitor "My Monitor" line 13:15 < jammcq> add this: 13:16 < jammcq> Option "BlankTime" "0" 13:16 < jammcq> Option "StandbyTime" "0" 13:16 < jammcq> Option "SuspendTime" "0" 13:16 < jammcq> option "OffTime" "0" 13:16 < jammcq> those 4 lines should do the trick 13:17 < ragnar> jammcq: did you get the kernel compile going? 13:17 < BadMagic> jammcq: got them, was there any for dpms 13:17 < jammcq> ragnar: haven't spent any time on it yet 13:17 < BadMagic> when I was plaing wt the kiosk 13:17 < ragnar> jammcq: ok 13:17 < BadMagic> event thought I disabled all the rest, util I disabled dpms, it still blanked 13:17 < jammcq> BadMagic: the last 3 options are for dpms mode 13:18 < ragnar> i could get to work with a minimal config, but not with a full one 13:18 < BadMagic> jammcq: perfect! 13:18 < jammcq> well, try it, lets see how perfect it is :) 13:18 < BadMagic> jammcq: you da man! 13:28 < BadMagic> jammcq: just got done showing off! hehehehe have both jammins plaing video in perfect sync, and good quality!!!!! 13:28 < jammcq> heh 13:28 < jammcq> gotta love that :) 13:28 < BadMagic> jammcq: going to lunch now, so we'll see what happens when I come back on the blanking 13:28 < jammcq> k 13:29 < BadMagic> brb 13:32 < ragnar> jammcq: when i stick in a usb thing into the tc, is it devfsd that creates the new device /scsi/host..../part1? 13:33 < jammcq> yessir 13:33 < ragnar> ok. and devfsd.conf configs it? 13:33 < jammcq> yessir 13:33 < ragnar> k 13:34 < ragnar> tnx, i thought so, but better be sure 13:40 < wftl> jammcq: last bit of info for you. Set up ntop to get network stats and at a very quiet time (right now half the people have gone), the network usage is 7.3 mbps on a 10 mbps network. 13:41 < jammcq> wftl: are you running some screensavers ? 13:41 * ragnar leaves to test if REGISTER scsi/host.*/bus.*/target.*/lun.*/generic PERMISSIONS 0.0 644 13:41 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-0962.bb.online.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 13:41 < wftl> jammcq: I'm sure users are running any number of things, including screesavers 13:42 < jammcq> on the thin clients ? 13:42 < wftl> Yep 13:42 < carlos-da-man> jammcq got my first mail from a teacher in spain, I will help him n 2 weeks once hes got time to install ltsp on a junio high 13:42 < jammcq> ok, there's your network performance going down the drain 13:42 < wftl> S'okay. I've convinced management to purchase some 100 mbit switches 13:42 < wftl> They'll be here early next week. 13:43 < jammcq> wftl: good, but TURN OFF THOSE SCREENSAVERS 13:43 < jammcq> even on 100mbit, it will kill your network 13:48 < wftl> Will do. I'll go and beat up on the users 13:52 < carlos-da-man> wftl just delete the screensaver files 14:03 < misato> rpm -e xscreensaver 14:03 < misato> apt-get remove xscreensaver 14:03 < misato> need any others 14:05 < wftl> They are all running KDE,so the screensavers are part of the addon package 14:06 < wftl> Gotta go folks. Thanks for all the help 14:06 -!- wftl [~salmar@CPE00c0f02a0b5f-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ltsp [] 14:17 < BadMagic> jammcq: no blankie! 14:17 < jammcq> thats a good thing :) 14:21 < carlos-da-man> heh 14:21 < jammcq> BadMagic: you can do the same trick on your kiosks 14:21 < jammcq> instead of messing around with xset 14:27 -!- howto_lpr [~root@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has joined #ltsp 14:31 -!- howto_lpr [~root@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:45 -!- howto_lpr [~root@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has joined #ltsp 14:45 -!- howto_lpr [~root@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:54 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:54 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 14:57 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 14:57 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 14:58 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:58 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-0962.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 15:09 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@148.76.64.170] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:20 < BadMagic> jammcq: shit! one of the jammins just blinked! 15:25 < BadMagic> jammcq: you there? 15:53 < jammcq> hey 15:53 < jammcq> BadMagic: what's up ? 15:53 -!- brainless [brainless@dotslvl202pc403.ics.usc.edu] has joined #ltsp 15:55 -!- bill_c_ [~bill@66.148.191.147.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #ltsp 15:58 < brainless> hey guy 15:58 < brainless> guys 15:58 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:58 < jammcq> hey brainless 15:59 < brainless> jammcq: how is it going? 15:59 < jammcq> going well, how's school out in LA ? 15:59 < brainless> pretty good and expensive :) 16:00 < jammcq> are you learning anything ? 16:00 < brainless> a little bit..... mostly probability theory and computer organization 16:01 < brainless> hows LTSP coming along? 16:01 < jammcq> coming well. I wish I had more time to focus on it 16:02 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 16:02 < brainless> what are the projects your are focussing on? 16:02 < jammcq> stuff for customers 16:02 < jammcq> custom programming things 16:03 < brainless> thats nice! 16:05 < bill_c_> yup the customers money is always right 16:05 < jammcq> well, I do have to keep a roof over my head :) 16:05 < bill_c_> nah roofs are overrated 16:06 < brainless> jammcq: u have more than that. and even if u don't, u can always stay with me as long as u like 16:06 < jammcq> well, here in michigan, roofs are pretty important 16:06 < bill_c_> yes they are, i'm in kc, we need em too 16:10 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DDF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:14 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 16:17 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 16:24 < BadMagic> jammcq: fyi I was still blinking.... 16:24 < jammcq> blanking ? 16:24 < BadMagic> yep 16:24 < jammcq> after how long ? 16:25 < BadMagic> I add the setterm command to the rcfile and used my client app to call the xset commands 16:25 < BadMagic> seems like 5 mins 16:25 < BadMagic> and only if certain things are happening 16:25 < BadMagic> seems like 16:25 < jammcq> I thought you left for lunch, and came back and it was still not blanking 16:26 < BadMagic> that's true 16:26 < jammcq> are you running a window mgr ? 16:26 < BadMagic> thats what I mean about if only certain things are happening 16:26 < BadMagic> no window mgr 16:26 < jammcq> how are you starting X ? 16:26 < jammcq> with that xinit thing we setup ? 16:26 < BadMagic> from the modified startx script using xinit 16:27 < BadMagic> you showed me how to do 16:27 < jammcq> and what progs are you runnin g? 16:27 < BadMagic> just my client that in turn calls mplayer and now xset 16:27 < jammcq> and why are you calling xset ? 16:28 < jammcq> you shouldn't need it with the options we added to build_x4_cfg 16:29 < BadMagic> jammcq: I agree, however, they went blank again since and I can't have that happen 16:29 < jammcq> right, but did xset fix it ? 16:30 < BadMagic> jammcq: trying to cover all posibilies 16:30 < BadMagic> jammcq: haven't seen a blank yet.. but seems flaky (didn't at lunch, did later) 16:30 < BadMagic> jammcq: might have been the non-X terminal shutting off. 16:31 < BadMagic> jammcq: I don't think that the mother boards in the jammin could be doing it 16:31 < BadMagic> I remember seeing something funky like that on the kiosk also 16:31 < BadMagic> where it didn't actually stop blanking until I used all 4 commands (1 setterm 3 xset) 16:31 < BadMagic> who knows.... 16:32 < BadMagic> would be more than happy to track down EXACTLY what's what when the show is over... 16:32 < jammcq> maybe there's more options we could add to XF86Config 16:32 < jammcq> sure, do what you gotta do for now 16:32 < BadMagic> jammcq: if you find more options, I'll add them. can't tell it too many ways not to blank! hehehe 16:33 < jammcq> sure. I've gotta run out for a bit. I'll see about it later. I'll probably add code, so that we can specify the screen blanking via the lts.conf file 16:34 < jammcq> i'll be back in 30 16:34 < brainless> bye 16:41 -!- brainless [brainless@dotslvl202pc403.ics.usc.edu] has quit [] 16:50 -!- heino [heino@p508E39F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 17:14 -!- ccscricket [~^^bunnyo@h24-83-234-227.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:18 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Gone diving in code/network"] 17:27 -!- r4nd0m1z [~peter@142.179.173.112] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:28 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-36-168-52.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 17:29 -!- heino [heino@p508E39F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:30 < carlos-da-man> hi brainless 17:38 -!- bill_c_ [~bill@66.148.191.147.nw.nuvox.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:42 -!- lalala [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has joined #ltsp 17:44 -!- lalala [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has left #ltsp [] 17:45 -!- lalala [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has joined #ltsp 17:56 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-36-168-52.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 17:57 < deo> guys, anyone have any tips to use sis900 and davicom9102 cards? I can't get them to work... but two realteks 8029 worls like a charm... ;-) 17:59 < jammcq> "can't get them to work" you need to be more specific 17:59 < jammcq> cuz both the sis900 and davicom9102 cards are known to work with LTSP and Etherboot 18:06 -!- lalala [~Miranda@1-061.cscgo700-3.telepar.net.br] has left #ltsp [] 18:06 < deo> davicom and sis900 stays at "Searching for server (DHCP)" and my ltsp server does't receives an DHCP request... 18:08 < jammcq> do you see a link light on the card ? 18:08 -!- brainless [brainless@dotslvl202pc414.ics.usc.edu] has joined #ltsp 18:08 < carlos-da-man> hi brainless 18:09 < carlos-da-man> seen my pics latelly? 18:09 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 18:09 < brainless> carlos-da-man: url plz 18:10 < carlos-da-man> ltsp.org front page news, login as yahoo user (FREE) and click on pictures 89 18:10 < deo> jammcq: they work perfectly if I boot machine and set a static ip... 18:10 < jammcq> deo: are you using etherboot ? 18:10 < carlos-da-man> brainless latest news 18:11 * brainless hop 18:11 < deo> jammcq: yep 18:11 < jammcq> what version and which etherboot module ? 18:12 < deo> jammcq: 5.2.0 - davicom9102 and sis900 18:13 < brainless> carlos-da-man where r the pics? 18:13 < jammcq> deo: maybe go back and try the 5.0.x version 18:14 -!- HiltonT_au [~HiltonT@dsl-90.128.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:14 < brainless> got it 18:15 < deo> jammcq: good tip... let'me try... ;-) 18:21 -!- brainless [brainless@dotslvl202pc414.ics.usc.edu] has quit [] 18:21 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:23 < Federico2> bye 18:23 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:24 -!- HiltonT [~HiltonT@dsl-90.128.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 18:26 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 19:13 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip229-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 19:15 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away 19:40 -!- jond3rd [~jon@202.8.246.83] has joined #ltsp 19:41 -!- zeus [~user@6-34-89.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ltsp 19:41 < zeus> hi 19:46 < zeus> I'm making a new kernel to one of my linux terminal, but get an error: not a valid image 19:46 < jammcq> did you use the buildk script ? 19:47 < zeus> nop, 19:47 < zeus> where is that script ?? 19:47 < jammcq> did you use mknbi-linux to tag the kernel ? 19:47 < zeus> nop :( 19:47 < jammcq> well, I guess that explains it 19:47 < jammcq> you need the ltsp_initrd_kit 19:48 < jammcq> did you use my .config file build your kernel ? 19:49 < zeus> nop, I made a new config :P 19:49 < jammcq> I strongly suggest you start with my .config, it will make your life much easier 19:49 < jammcq> AND, you need to use the ltsp_initrd_kit to create the initrd image and tag the kernel 19:49 < jammcq> you also will need the mknbi-linux program from the etherboot download page 19:50 < zeus> I have mknbi-linux and I gonna start again :P 19:50 < jammcq> do you have the right mknbi-linux ? 19:51 < jammcq> make sure it is the one from the Etherboot project, NOT the netboot project 19:51 < zeus> how can I know 19:51 < zeus> I made apt-get install mknbi 19:51 < jammcq> ok, just make sure it is the right now 19:51 < jammcq> s/now/own/ 19:52 < jammcq> what version is it ? 19:52 < zeus> Unknown option: version 19:52 < zeus> :P 19:52 < jammcq> hmm, does apt have a way of showing version ? 19:52 < zeus> Version: 1.4.0-1 19:52 < jammcq> ah, I think that is a good one 19:53 < jammcq> the mknbi from netboot is something like 0.9 19:54 < zeus> ajaja 19:55 < zeus> guau :P 19:55 < zeus> it's working :P 19:57 < zeus> :( 19:57 < jammcq> oops 19:57 < zeus> no! error, it's not woking for me 19:58 < zeus> buildk use a pre-.config file ?¿ 19:58 < zeus> or make a new file ? 20:00 < jammcq> the ltsp_initrd_kit includes the .config that I used to create the ltsp kernels. you need to copy that to your kernel src directory, and run: make oldconfig 20:00 < jammcq> then, go ahead and make any changes to your config 20:00 < jammcq> and then compile the kernel and modules 20:00 < jammcq> Don't forget to edit the Makefile and change EXTRAVERSION 20:00 < zeus> I made that change 20:01 < jammcq> to something like '-ltsp-zeus-1' or something like that 20:01 < zeus> I'm using -ltsp-patyta :) 20:01 < jammcq> and once you've built the kernel and the modules, then you need to run the buildk script and answer the questions 20:02 < zeus> where is the .config file ot ltsp_initrd_kit ? 20:02 < zeus> I can't found it 20:04 < jammcq> it's something like 'config-2.4.21-ltsp-1' 20:04 < jammcq> or somethnig like that, I don't recall what I named it 20:04 < jammcq> but it is NOT .config 20:04 < jammcq> it is renamed with the version in it 20:07 < zeus> oki 20:07 < zeus> I get it 20:07 < zeus> uf I have a client on my ciber :P 20:14 < zeus> what mean overlaps etherboot ? 20:14 < jammcq> huh ? 20:14 < jammcq> never heard of that before 20:15 < zeus> ..(NBI) segment [some hexa numbers] overlaps etherboot [more hexa numbers] 20:16 < jammcq> are yu using buildk ? 20:16 < zeus> yup 20:17 < zeus> after use buildk even the last image doesn't work :( 20:20 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:22 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 20:34 < zeus> Number of inodes to allocate in initrd filesystem [300]: --> what I have to put here ? 20:42 < jammcq> zeus: you can just leave it at the default of 300 20:42 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 20:42 < jammcq> hey GodFodder 20:43 < zeus> jammcq: thanx :) 20:46 < zeus> mm could be an error of mknbi-linux ?? 20:55 -!- bjohnson|away is now known as bjohnson 21:00 < zeus> mm 21:00 < zeus> my mknbi version have an error or I don't know but my kernels image doesn't wok :/ 21:01 < zeus> what can I do ?? 21:01 < zeus> jammcq: you can send me a kernel image ? 21:12 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:34 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 22:53 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 22:58 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 23:00 -!- zeus [~user@6-34-89.adsl.terra.cl] has quit ["brb"] 23:08 -!- bloggsie [~chris@202-0-37-152.cable.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ltsp 23:10 < bloggsie> Hi, Ive got the ltsp as far as running the X11-Server on the client - stippled screen and the X. but it stopps there. How to I get the Display manager of choice to start? Tnx 1-^6. 23:11 < bloggsie> We're running Gentoo on the ltsp sever 23:20 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 23:31 < bloggsie> monkeydiver: Hi. 23:31 < monkeydiver> hiya 23:31 < bloggsie> Ive got the ltsp as far as running the X11-Server on the client - stippled screen and the X. 23:32 < bloggsie> but that's as far as it gets. Got any ideas? 23:33 < monkeydiver> nah 23:33 < bloggsie> Oh well ... 23:33 < jammcq> bloggsie: do you have a display manager running ? 23:35 < bloggsie> jammcq: Do you mean on the ltsp client or on the server? 23:35 < jammcq> on the server 23:35 < bloggsie> yes 23:35 < jammcq> which one ? 23:35 < bloggsie> kdm 23:35 < jammcq> ok, find your kdm config file and enable xdmcp. 23:36 < jammcq> should be called kdmrc 23:36 < bloggsie> ok thanks. 23:37 < monkeydiver> hey jammcq have you tried any of the gigabit ethernet cards? 23:40 < jammcq> monkeydiver: I have a new server that contains a e1000 gigabit card, but i've not been able to get it working 23:40 < jammcq> and I don't have a gigabit switch yet 23:41 < monkeydiver> ok. i was looking for some feedback on the performance. i wil just have to bite the bullet and experiment 23:51 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away 23:54 -!- bloggsie [~chris@202-0-37-152.cable.paradise.net.nz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:54 -!- jond3rd [~jon@202.8.246.83] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:56 -!- bloggsie [~chris@202-0-37-152.cable.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ltsp --- Day changed Sat Sep 06 2003 00:30 -!- arabe [1000@200.77.30.249] has joined #ltsp 00:31 < arabe> Some one have a install script for slackware 9.0 ? 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10:11 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 10:12 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.148.57] has quit [] 10:23 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:33 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 10:44 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 10:44 < Federico2> ciao 10:48 < chip33az> Hello? 10:48 < chip33az> Sorry, I am new to IRC 10:49 < Federico2> hi... 10:49 < chip33az> I set up LTSP last night and I think it is extremely slick. 10:50 < jammcq> :) 10:50 < jammcq> we think so too 10:50 < chip33az> I have an idea to use it in the kitchen, but I don't know what type of thin client to purchase. 10:50 < chip33az> Any help? 10:51 < Federico2> I loved LTSP the first time a client booted 10:51 < Federico2> chip33az: the old you don't use 10:51 < Federico2> chip33az: the old pc don't use 10:52 < chip33az> It was easier to set up than I thought. 10:53 < chip33az> Since I am tight on space on my kitchen desk, I don't have the space for a PC, hence a thin client would be best. 10:54 < chip33az> I have seen some on the LTSP website, but I see people selling a bunch on eBAY. 10:54 < jammcq> well, you would want to make sure it works with ltsp 10:54 < Federico2> how about mounting the case under the desk? 10:55 < jammcq> something like the old Iopener would be good, but the screen is pretty crappy 10:55 < jammcq> 10" tft 10:55 < jammcq> maybe a Jammin-125 and a 15" flat screen would be good 10:55 < chip33az> I'm looking at a flat screen than can also act as a TV. 10:56 < chip33az> I think I saw the Jammin 125 for $250 at the website. 10:56 < jammcq> yeah, we've got some used models for sale 10:58 < chip33az> Now that I have the server set up, I would simply plug the Jammin onto my network and it should work? 10:58 < jammcq> yep 10:58 < jammcq> you'd just need to add an entry to your dhcpd.conf file for that station 10:59 < chip33az> similar to the PC I did last night. I had the PC set up as PXE, I assume that the DHCP setup would be just as easy. 10:59 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:59 < jammcq> it's actually a bit simpler. 10:59 < jammcq> the Jammin-125 uses Etherboot 11:00 < chip33az> I tried the DHCP setup on my PC and all it did was say I didn't have enough memory to run. 11:00 < jammcq> huh ? 11:01 < chip33az> I read somewhere on the Internet that it had to do with the PC starting off with only 640K when it first launches. 11:02 < jammcq> running what OS ? 11:02 < chip33az> None, the laptop is able to boot from PXE, DHCP, RPL and NetWare. It is a Latitude LS. 11:02 < jammcq> ok, so you set it to PXE, what were you trying to load with PXE ? 11:03 < chip33az> I started off with DHCP and got the memory error, so then I downloaded the extra file for PXE and got it working. 11:03 < jammcq> ok 11:04 < jammcq> in this case they are trying to use DHCP as a boot technology, rather than just as a way to obtain an IP address 11:04 < jammcq> even with PXE, you are still using DHCP 11:05 < chip33az> I saw that as it booted up. 11:05 < chip33az> I think this is great. 11:06 < chip33az> Now I just need the thin client and a LCD monitor with TV tuner built in. 11:10 < Federico2> or external :) 11:11 < chip33az> One last question. Does the Jammin 125 support wireless mouse and keyboard (wishlist). 11:11 < keyur> hi, i got problem with my ltsp, it is too slow now with 15 w.s. 11:12 < jammcq> chip33az: are you talking about the wireless mouse that has a little base station that plugs into a ps2 port ? 11:12 < keyur> my server is p-IV , 1.5 ghz, 1 GB ram, my network is connected thru switch 11:12 < jammcq> keyur: what window manager 11:12 < keyur> jammcq : gnome 2.0 11:12 < jammcq> keyur: use Icewm, it will be MUCH faster. Or, add more ram to the server 11:12 < keyur> and it is simple and good for my new user 11:13 < jammcq> keyur: and make sure you disable the screen savers. that will kill your network 11:13 < keyur> jammcq : my screen saver r disabled, but with 15 user 1 gb is more then enough 11:14 < keyur> don't u think? 11:14 < jammcq> not with Gnome 11:14 < jammcq> gnome and kde require LOTS of ram 11:14 < jammcq> what kind of disk in the server ? 11:14 < keyur> jammcq : Icewm is user friendly? 11:14 < jammcq> depends on your definition of user-friendly 11:14 < jammcq> works fine for my users 11:15 < Federico2> jammcq: have you ever tried fle 11:15 < jammcq> nope 11:15 < Federico2> jammcq: have you ever tried fluxbox? 11:15 < Federico2> ;))) 11:15 < jammcq> keyur: what kind of hard disk in the server ? 11:15 < keyur> jammcq : hard disk ? then it is baracoda 7500 rpm faster one, 80 gb 11:15 < jammcq> scsi or ide ? 11:16 < keyur> ide 11:16 < jammcq> ok, that is a big problem 11:16 < jammcq> 15 users all being served by an ide drive is a real performance bottleneck 11:16 < jammcq> Federico2: nope, haven't tried fluxbox 11:16 < keyur> so, i should take scsi disk 11:16 < jammcq> keyur: definately 11:17 < keyur> jammcq : can u give me very good configuration for my server 11:17 < keyur> with atleast 25 to 30 users can work betterly 11:17 < jammcq> keyur: it all depends on what software they are running. 11:18 < jammcq> but, the RAM is the most important. once you get enough of that, then the Hard disk is probably the 2nd most important. and then the CPU 11:18 < jammcq> and Dual CPU is good 11:18 < keyur> they r going to run open office 1.1 and evolution 1.4 most probebly 11:18 < jammcq> when you say it is too slow with 15 users. what is it that seems slow ? 11:19 < jammcq> loading programs ? 11:19 < jammcq> drawing screens ? 11:19 < jammcq> moving the mouse ? 11:19 < keyur> jammcq : loading program, and printing is too slow 11:19 < jammcq> yeah, that would be disk or memory 11:19 < keyur> it takes 7 minutes just to load open office 11:20 < keyur> and for printing takes 5 minutes 11:20 < jammcq> when you have 15 users running, then try running the 'free' command to see how much free memory and how much swap is being used 11:20 < keyur> jammcq : i have already used system monitor with shows all memory is used with swap is also used 11:21 < jammcq> then you need to add more ram 11:21 < keyur> and some times processing touch to 100 % and average is between 20 to 40 % 11:21 < jammcq> what distro are you running ? 11:21 < keyur> jammcq : it is rh 8.0 11:21 < jammcq> try running: sar -r | more 11:22 < jammcq> err 11:22 < jammcq> make that: sar -u | more 11:22 < keyur> what it shows? 11:22 < jammcq> can you try it now ? 11:22 < keyur> right now no user is loged in because it is night time here and my ltsp server is also down 11:22 < keyur> but i can up it, if it help me 11:23 < jammcq> well, do you have another Linux box you can try that on ? 11:23 -!- chip33az 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need any extra change in ltsp, or linux kernel, 11:51 < keyur> or it is just rpm package 11:52 < jammcq> you'll have to check the Icewm webpage for info on that 11:52 < jammcq> I did it a long time ago, and built it from source 11:52 < jammcq> but I think there is an rpm package you can install 11:53 < keyur> and jammcq, what will be other sollution, which will give me speedy access 11:53 < jammcq> more ram and faster disk 11:54 < keyur> jammcq : and some time when use suddenly shut off computer then it gives XDMCP fatal error, maximum session open 11:55 < jammcq> that is a problem with GDM 11:55 < keyur> how to deal with it, i m right now changing its host name 11:55 < jammcq> you should use KDM instead 11:55 < keyur> but with kdm i m not getting good font support 11:55 < jammcq> huh ? 11:55 < jammcq> shouldn't matter 11:55 < jammcq> don't confuse KDM with KDE 11:56 < jammcq> you can still use Gnome-2.0, but use KDM for logging in 11:56 < zeus> kdm != kdm 11:56 < zeus> : 11:56 < zeus> plop 11:56 < zeus> kdm != kde 11:56 < keyur> haa , i think kdm is kde 11:56 < keyur> too fool 11:56 < keyur> ok, jammcq how to use kdm, or any change which allow me to use kdm 11:57 < zeus> you can use gdm like loging manager and kde as window manager :) 11:57 < keyur> oh no, i come to know it just now, thank zeus, 11:57 < keyur> but how to use kdm instead of gdm 11:57 < jammcq> keyur: edit your /etc/sysconfig/desktop 11:58 < jammcq> add a line that says: DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE 11:58 < keyur> jammcq : yes, then 11:58 -!- rainstaiN [mistik1@nobody.has.shellz.l1k3.us] has joined #ltsp 11:58 < jammcq> the kill gdm, and kdm should start automatically 11:58 < jammcq> assuming you have it installed 11:59 < keyur> jammcq : it shows DESKTOP = GNOME 11:59 < jammcq> that's ok 11:59 < keyur> so i should change it to kde 11:59 < jammcq> no 11:59 < jammcq> add the new line 11:59 < jammcq> leave DESKTOP=GNOME 11:59 < jammcq> and add DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE 11:59 < keyur> oh, i have to add this 11:59 < mistik1> kdm no? 11:59 < jammcq> no, it is confusing 11:59 < jammcq> you have to say KDE 12:00 < jammcq> but that will cause it to load KDM 12:00 < jammcq> wierd 12:00 < mistik1> hmm 12:00 < jammcq> hey mistik1 12:00 < mistik1> heya 12:00 < keyur> yes jammcq, i get it 12:10 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 12:11 < keyur> jammcq : ok , bye and thanks 12:11 < keyur> thanks to all, it is midnight now for me 12:11 < jammcq> good nite 12:14 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 12:14 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ltsp ["Leaving"] 12:15 -!- gola [~k0la@nurkkapala.netikka.fi] has joined #ltsp 12:32 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 12:38 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 12:55 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-104-24.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 13:33 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@cvip-as03-ppp40.cvip.net] has quit ["Money talks, bullshit 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'Photo', I have not tried openmosix because I am on a 10BaseT lan with 200 Mhz workstations 15:31 < project9_> ic 15:32 < carlos-da-man> project9_ read on dude http://www.k12ltsp.org/ltsp-om5.html 15:33 < project9_> r u busy now days 15:37 < carlos-da-man> project9_ nah not much, why? 15:37 < project9_> not seen for long days 15:38 < project9_> i was looking u for some help 15:39 < carlos-da-man> what about? 15:39 < project9_> icewm 15:39 < carlos-da-man> solved it already or do you still have doubts? 15:39 < project9_> ya 15:39 < carlos-da-man> what was it? 15:40 < project9_> how do i run office and other application i can't see icons 15:42 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@bgp01034173bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 15:43 < carlos-da-man> interesting, Mandrake does menus for me, when it installs programs with urpmi, the apps appear on kde, gnome, fluxbox, icewm, windowmaker and even enlightenment, so I dont know about that one, how did you solve that? 15:45 < project9_> i write Xsession with 1 line exec command thats it 15:48 < carlos-da-man> ca I see that line? 15:57 < project9_> which line 15:58 < project9_> brb 15:58 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 15:58 < carlos-da-man> ' i write Xsession with 1 line exec command thats it' 16:09 -!- MaTrixKx [~matrix@vsat-148-63-64-226.c002.t7.mrt.starband.net] has joined #ltsp 16:09 < MaTrixKx> que tal... 16:09 < MaTrixKx> buenas tardes linuxeros 16:09 < MaTrixKx> llegando del fsl gdl jalisco 16:13 < MaTrixKx> nadie 16:13 < carlos-da-man> yo estuve en tl taller de ltsp 16:13 < MaTrixKx> llegando del fsl gdl jalisco 16:13 < MaTrixKx> llegando del fsl gdl jalisco 16:13 < carlos-da-man> MaTrixKx 16:13 < carlos-da-man> ahi estabas? 16:13 < MaTrixKx> quie eres?? 16:13 < carlos-da-man> carlos urbieta 16:13 < MaTrixKx> el del ciber?? 16:13 < carlos-da-man> asi es 16:14 < MaTrixKx> haaa 16:14 < carlos-da-man> hoy me encontre al chilango que hablo de beowolf 16:14 < MaTrixKx> orale soy el chavo que estaba detras de ti 16:14 < carlos-da-man> quedo de venir en la noche, todavia esta en gdl 16:14 < MaTrixKx> haa 16:14 < MaTrixKx> con que nick?? 16:14 < carlos-da-man> chido ehh 16:14 < carlos-da-man> sabe 16:14 < MaTrixKx> si lo conosco.. 16:15 < MaTrixKx> conversamos chido un muy buen rato 16:15 < carlos-da-man> vino cono otros weyes a ver museos al centro 16:15 < MaTrixKx> esta pesado este guey... 16:16 < carlos-da-man> pk? 16:16 < MaTrixKx> sabes en que trabaja??? 16:16 < carlos-da-man> no 16:17 < carlos-da-man> un bato que iba vcon el dijo que iba a implementar ltsp en una universidad sin recur$o$ 16:17 < MaTrixKx> construye custers con bewolf 16:18 < MaTrixKx> es director de ing. en una empresa gringa de clusters y diseño de sl 16:18 < carlos-da-man> jejeje no creas que es pesado ehh, ahora veremos si abre su mente e implemente openmosix en vez de perder el tiempo con bw 16:18 < MaTrixKx> pues.. 16:19 < MaTrixKx> segun hasta lo que yo he leeido openmosix es mas caseron que bw 16:19 < carlos-da-man> MaTrixKx pero el mismo profe dijo, con OM te ahorras el tiempo de programar el comportamiento, en vez de hacer tanta chamba con BW, y recuerda que yo mensione al cluster de OSX, mis repetos porque cualquier pendejo te lo deja funcionando en 15 min 16:21 < carlos-da-man> osea con todo respect le dijimos pendejo por no haberse actualizado de BW OM todavia 16:21 < carlos-da-man> MaTrixKx estas? 16:22 < MaTrixKx> no entiendo tu pregunta?? 16:22 < carlos-da-man> cual pregunta? 16:22 < MaTrixKx> olvida... 16:22 < carlos-da-man> to tal es otro tema, con BW no puedes LTSPear o si? ;) http://www.k12ltsp.org/ltsp-om5.html 16:23 < carlos-da-man> recuerdo que tenias una bronca con tu ltsp 16:23 < MaTrixKx> pues si es cierto 16:23 < MaTrixKx> y la verdad es que ya leei la doc de ltsp.org y ni madres 16:23 < carlos-da-man> como va la cosa? 16:24 < MaTrixKx> bueno lo mas acercado que leei es lo de la conexion de red 16:24 < carlos-da-man> ya viste que estoy en la portada de ltsp.org? 16:24 < MaTrixKx> en el documento de ltsp.org en la seccion de solucion de problemas se describen algunos de mis problemas 16:24 < carlos-da-man> que tarjeta de red es exactamente? 16:24 < MaTrixKx> pero pues no son posibles 16:24 < carlos-da-man> todo es posible ;) 16:25 < carlos-da-man> erp, quieres ver las fotos que saque? 16:25 < MaTrixKx> si fera un problema con la red no podria estar conectado a internet, ni poder utilizar la intranet ni el mail!! 16:25 < MaTrixKx> ovio 16:25 < MaTrixKx> haa sale 16:26 < carlos-da-man> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es/ 16:26 < carlos-da-man> entra como usuario YAHOO, si no eres usuario te registras de a grapa 16:26 < carlos-da-man> ya adentro le picas a 'Photos' 16:29 < carlos-da-man> el bato de atras es el que me encontre DCP_4758 16:29 < carlos-da-man> MaTrixKx como vas? 16:30 < MaTrixKx> por que en yahoo?? 16:30 < MaTrixKx> que no es mejor un espacio en algun server *nix con un subdominio!! 16:30 < MaTrixKx> pero bueno voy... 16:30 < MaTrixKx> con el tedioso registro 16:33 < carlos-da-man> MaTrixKx te das con un FreeBSD? ;) http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=geocities.yahoo.com 16:34 < carlos-da-man> MaTrixKx este es el bueno http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=groups.yahoo.com 16:39 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@p508759DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 16:48 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@p508759DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:58 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@p508759DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 17:01 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@p508759DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:07 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@p508759DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 17:07 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@p508759DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 17:19 < Federico2> bye bye 17:20 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:34 -!- tester99 [~tester99@65.222.175.100] has joined #ltsp 17:35 -!- tester99 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[www.fullt.net]"] 07:26 < project9_> is any one using ltsp +openmosix 07:26 < project9_> with rh 9 07:26 < project9_> i have a problem pls help me 07:27 -!- duca [~duca@50C58B12.flatrate.dk] has joined #ltsp 07:29 -!- HunT_GuY [HunT_GuY@202.88.149.100] has joined #ltsp 07:29 < duca> Hi everyone! I got some problems with LTSP and XFree86, could anybody help? 07:30 < duca> please :) 07:40 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:48 -!- HunT_GuY [HunT_GuY@202.88.149.100] has quit [] 07:52 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 07:53 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Client Quit] 08:00 < duca> My problem is, I have compiled and installed a new version of XFree86 to my ltsp-4 tree, so it could support my Via Epia (castlerock) grapichs card. All works perfect as long as I let ltsp build the XF86Config file, but if I add "XSERVER = via" to my lts.conf, I get a "Fatal server error: No screen found", how do I fix it?? 08:05 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-3075.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 08:14 -!- ragnar_ [~ragnar@ti221110a080-2989.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 08:14 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-3075.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:22 -!- ragnar__ [~ragnar@ti221110a080-3789.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 08:31 -!- ragnar_ [~ragnar@ti221110a080-2989.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:38 -!- greendisease [~jack@82.166.105.11] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:09 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 09:09 -!- duca [~duca@50C58B12.flatrate.dk] has quit [] 09:10 < project9_> i have two server how do i put it on network for 12 nodes 09:11 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.150.125] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:23 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 09:28 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@210.23.169.173] has joined #ltsp 09:29 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 09:31 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip229-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:31 < nyophirdo> hi ... im currently setting up a small ltsp and the problem is that my clients randomly fails to boot up properly 09:31 < nyophirdo> at times it gives a keyboard not detected or screen flickers when i switch to runlevel 5 09:32 < nyophirdo> i believe the settings for ltsp is ok since they do boot up sometimes ... id like to ask if uve encoutered the same problems 09:32 < nyophirdo> and what possible solutions can u give if faced with such ... im using a duron with asus p4sdr mobo 09:32 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip229-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 09:37 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away 09:41 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@210.23.169.173] has quit ["its freakin hard 2 show every1 dat im doin juz fyn w/o u wen deep down insyd im not. and dat i have 2 smyl wen i can barely h] 09:42 * monkeydiver is back (gone 10:38:45) 09:51 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EC2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 09:51 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 10:08 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-175-69.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 10:14 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 10:15 < Federico2> hi 10:15 < Federico2> ciao 10:57 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 11:03 -!- zeus [~user@200.89.60.73] has joined #ltsp 11:04 < zeus> hi 11:08 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 11:15 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 11:16 < carlos-da-man> I put a nice little pic you might like it http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es/ 11:20 < ebb> lol shame bout power supply 11:20 < zeus> hi carlos-da-man 11:23 < ebb> hmmm nice 11:26 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 11:33 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-175-69.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 11:58 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 12:00 < project9> any one one setup openmosix with ltsp and redhat 9 12:00 < project9> pls help me i had some problem 12:14 < ebb> a computer needs a x86 proccessor to run ltsp right ? 12:18 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 12:23 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 12:36 -!- bjohnson|away is now known as bjohnson 12:42 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 12:45 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away 13:09 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:21 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-205.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 13:49 < madctrl> will it work good to have a LARGE 64-bit server with, say 32 GB RAM and a lot of users. If each user uses 50 mb of ram a server like this could take about 600 users.. 13:50 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 13:51 < madctrl> hi carlos 13:51 < Federico2> madctrl: mind about disk bandwidth 13:53 < madctrl> yeah, it would be good with a lot of fibre disk or something like that 13:54 < Snafu> also poor economy a large machine at the top of the performance curve can be more expensive than 6 smaller ones that together have more power 13:55 < carlos-da-man> hi madctrl 13:55 < Federico2> I agree with Snafu 13:55 < madctrl> I'll think you are right Snafu 13:55 < Snafu> Geek Drool boxes really only make sence when you have a really large app that cant be spread out .. like a large sql server 13:55 < carlos-da-man> SnafuF, ederico2 indeed, ltsp-openmosix is the wave of the future 13:55 < madctrl> but it fun to think about the extreme ;) 13:56 < carlos-da-man> Snafu mysql is clusterable 13:58 < Snafu> and mosix is nice but not really needed and im fond of the word simple ... Carlos Yes ! sql will cluster .. but you must then publish to the other members .. like mosix more complex .. the hi end box for sql is worth the drop in complexity ( and its problems ) but for lots of little jobs .. like users ... that dont need it .. even mosix can be done without 13:59 < Snafu> instead let em use the host chooser and choose their home box 14:00 < Snafu> the idea that mosix would move my browser to another cpu and then mozilla would be reading its cache over a busy wire .. i dont think i would like that ... 14:01 < Snafu> i would rather go to the host chooser and just pick one where the load shows to be less ... 14:03 < Snafu> 64bit machines wont always be expensive tho .. amd's hammer will soon be as common as durons and tbirds .. 14:04 -!- trancefx [xaygjk@h-66-167-211-60.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has quit ["Hmmm. EPIC4-1.1.12 (578) has another bug. 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( or write some values to /proc and tell the kernel to reserve lots of ram for cache ) all that cache can make up for over taxed disk i/o 14:17 < Snafu> and while the top shelf board and chip is on the exponetial and tall part of the price curve .. it might not be all that steep for very long .. 14:17 < madctrl> ok. have amd released the new chip with support for 8 cpu's? 14:17 < Snafu> competition rocks ... when your the consumer ;=) 14:17 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 14:18 -!- nekane [~Debian@139.Red-80-24-202.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 14:18 < pLin_io> holas,, hi y'all 14:18 < pLin_io> hi nekane 14:18 < Snafu> well wont 8 chips on a board garranty that you pay out the nose ? 14:18 < nekane> ues 14:18 < nekane> yes 14:19 < Snafu> but a 64bit board in a single will probably be close to every day clone price before long .. 14:20 < Snafu> i have some smp boxes here ... heheheh they are really old ones ... pent pro's got for scrap price 14:20 -!- nekane [~Debian@139.Red-80-24-202.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 14:21 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 14:21 < madctrl> I also have an old pentium smp. but it won't start anymore.. 14:23 < Snafu> prob needs the parts reseated ot the cmos os corrupt .. 14:24 < Snafu> beyond:~# grep pro /proc/cpuinfo 14:24 < Snafu> processor : 0 14:24 < Snafu> Physical processor ID : 942551050 14:24 < Snafu> processor : 1 14:24 < Snafu> Physical processor ID : 942551072 14:24 < Snafu> processor : 2 14:24 < Snafu> Physical processor ID : 1633907488 14:24 < Snafu> processor : 3 14:24 < Snafu> Physical processor ID : 1728734572 14:25 < Snafu> you can pick up thos quad cpu rack mount compaq proliants complete with their hotplug raid and ECC ram for cheap 14:26 < Snafu> but today ... a 1g amd duron chip that also goes for scrap these days will blow it away .. well except on i/o where that triflex based box is still very muscular even by todays standards 14:27 < madctrl> nice. then imagine some opterons instead of pentiums and 4 GB of RAM per cpu 14:28 < Snafu> yes the amd hypertransport tech ... once used fully ... intell dont have anything like it ... its why those that know what it is think amd will dominate once they are in top gear with production of that tech .. 14:29 < madctrl> how dows it work? 14:29 < madctrl> does 14:29 < Snafu> o dont know of any similar on the new wintell ia64 boards to address hypertransport .. 14:30 < Snafu> its amd's new super speed interconnect ... seperate from the FSB ... its faster than the FSB .. its Serial !! 14:30 < madctrl> nice! 14:31 < Snafu> its like the idea of converting ata to serial ata .. basically the same thing ... 14:31 < madctrl> ok 14:31 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-205.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:31 < Snafu> you should read up on the opteron hypertransport . ( its only on the smp version of the chips ) 14:31 -!- jaco [~jaco@165.165.132.7] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:32 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-205.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 14:35 < Snafu> they have gone serial for the same reason serial ata did ... unthinkable in the days when gigabit parts to xmit and read a hi speed line like that did not exist .. where you are avoiding the problems of time alighnment of many parr lines of a buss by going serial ... 14:36 < Snafu> look at the traces under todays cpus ... and you will see traces that intentually waste time with a sqwiggly path .. so that all of them are the same electrical length .. 14:37 < Snafu> because a shorter path the bits will arrive early and the longer will be late .. so they are forced to do all this fancy board artwork .. and this is at todays 100/500 mhz FSB speeds 14:38 < Snafu> imagine attempting to design for a many/gb speed buss and line all the bits up in time .... to several devices at that .. 14:38 < Snafu> and with 64 wires ? well you see why they went serial 14:40 < Snafu> its cheaper and technically easier ( now that microwave speed IC tech is common ) to save on the board artwork and problems and go with mind boggling speed on a serial path .. 14:41 < Snafu> todays wifi cards are done with parts called MMIC's ( Microwave Module IC ) 14:42 < Snafu> that same tech is what made the hammer hyper transport possible 14:42 < Snafu> and hehehe intell has nothing like it .. they didnt see it comming i guess 14:43 < Snafu> that same tech can have you running 10gbit signals over your serial ata wire if they wanted to ... 14:45 < Snafu> anyhow thats what amd did .. and you wonder of the FSB wont go away next generation ... where a serial buss and mind smoking bit rates wont become the standard .. 14:45 < Snafu> no doubt when our chips move from silicon to diamond . 14:46 < Snafu> IC's on diamond is the next new thing ... now that we can grow diamond wafers almost as easy and cheap as silicon wafers ... 14:47 < Snafu> heh where a noremal chip temp will be twice what would melt a silicon cpu into smoking goo 14:47 < madctrl> interesting listen to you but i think i need to sleep now. 14:48 < Snafu> heh ... 14:48 < Snafu> Snafu .... keyboard diareaa 14:48 < madctrl> hehe 14:51 * madctrl is away: zzz 14:52 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 14:52 < Snafu> i want my AMD Diamond substrate platinum interconnect 40 gighz 16 way SMP with 4 tb of ram ... complete with the nvidia hypertransport liquid reality card with 64gb and wall mural cold plasma flatscreen .... 14:53 < Snafu> ill have to save my pennies for my UT VR sensory suit .. 14:53 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@129.8.216.104] has joined #ltsp 14:57 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 14:57 < project9> carlos:hi how r u 14:57 < |^JaMeS^|> carlos is da man 14:58 < project9> is any one setup openmosix 14:58 < project9> if any pls help me i have some problem 14:58 < bill_c> i have on gentoo 14:59 < project9> bill_c:on redhat do u have any idea ? 15:00 < bill_c> its just a kernel patch so shouldn't be much diff 15:00 < project9> my mosctl status 2 (node) is down but server is up and node 2 is ltsp client working ok 15:00 * |^JaMeS^| will be installing gentoo on an unwanted p2 400, 192 mb ram box tomorrow 15:01 < project9> how gentoo and redhat is differant ..operation wise 15:01 < project9> bill_c:any idea what could be wrong 15:01 < bill_c> did you make openmosix patched kernel for clients? 15:02 < bill_c> gentoo has a ports based package management 15:03 < project9> no 15:03 < project9> pls explain 15:03 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-205.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:04 < bill_c> every computer that you want to participate in the omosix cluster needs to have the openmosix patch 15:04 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-205.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 15:04 < bill_c> james: p2 400 is going to take a while :) 15:04 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-162-205.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Client Quit] 15:04 < |^JaMeS^|> bill, hehe...i got time 15:05 < project9> how do i create a patch 15:05 < |^JaMeS^|> bill, my dept was gonna throw it away, so i might as well keep it and make good use of it 15:05 < project9> i put entary in openmosix.amp 15:05 < project9> i put entary in openmosix.map 15:05 < bill_c> unless you built a new kernel for the clients it won't work if entered in the map, will show as down 15:06 < bill_c> theirs a couple guides on www.openmosix.org that talk about using ltsp and omosix 15:06 < project9> pls explain how do i make patch to kernel 15:07 < project9> ya i saw them but they are very old ltsp 2 15:07 < project9> and old openmosix version where they was using old format like mosix.map 15:08 < bill_c> http://www.lpmo.edu/~daniau/ltsp-mosix/ 15:08 < bill_c> http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ltsp-omr4-1.html 15:09 < bill_c> i don't use the map, i use autodiscovery 15:12 < project9> yes dear friend i saw this i am using rpm pkg and this is a sourace and based on 2.1 15:13 < bill_c> ltsp 3, k12ltsp 2.1 are the same 15:13 < bill_c> version of ltsp doesn't matter anyways, openmosix a kernel patch and userland tools 15:14 < bill_c> all the kernels in the cluster must have the patch 15:14 < bill_c> in those docs is how to get the terminals kernel patched 15:14 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951EC2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 15:18 < project9> ic pls wait i will check 15:19 < zeus> I have a new terminal!!! :P 15:19 < zeus> I'm happy 15:19 < zeus> :P 15:21 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:23 < Federico2> bye bye 15:24 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:26 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 15:37 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 15:39 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 15:39 < carlos-da-man> jammcq? 15:39 < carlos-da-man> you in there? 15:49 < |^JaMeS^|> yo carlos 15:49 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:49 < |^JaMeS^|> you da man 16:38 -!- monkeydiver [~deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Gone diving in code/network"] 16:44 -!- lupo__ [lupo@pD9542B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 16:56 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 16:57 -!- project9 [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:58 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-171-197.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 17:05 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-3-212-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 17:24 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 17:25 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:38 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:46 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-171-197.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:49 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 17:49 < sbartleylinux> hey to all.:) 17:52 < sbartleylinux> Is there a way to load GLX as part of a workstation XF86Config? 17:53 < lupo__> there is a X4_MODULE_?? option for lts.conf 17:54 < lupo__> i.e. 17:54 < lupo__> [workstation1] 17:54 < lupo__> X4_MODULE_01="glx" 17:54 < sbartleylinux> lupo__: will try that. 17:55 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:58 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jahroots, no_paste, Snafu, parsley__, zeus, mistik1 17:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: zeus, Snafu, mistik1, parsley__, jahroots, no_paste 17:59 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by calvino.freenode.net 17:59 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 18:00 < sbartleylinux> lupo__: thx. that resolved that error.:) 18:00 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 18:00 < sbartleylinux> Now, I get Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display 18:01 < jammcq> cool 18:02 < sbartleylinux> hey jammcq: how goes it? 18:02 < jammcq> good, you having fun ? 18:02 < sbartleylinux> lol. yep. 18:02 < sbartleylinux> as usual. 18:02 < sbartleylinux> BUSY though.:) That IS a good thing. 18:02 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: hey, did you see we've got some used Jammin-125's for sale ? 18:03 < sbartleylinux> I did see that. How many? 18:03 < jammcq> I think ther'es about 25 left 18:03 < sbartleylinux> k. will see what I can dream up for a use for them.:) 18:03 < sbartleylinux> lol. 18:04 < sbartleylinux> I am trying to play around with running a game today over ltsp. 18:05 < sbartleylinux> Is there a way to pass the XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD parameter to the workstation config? 18:05 < jammcq> hmm, dunno 18:06 < jammcq> prolly just another x module yuo need to load 18:06 < jammcq> someone has definately done glx on ltsp in the past 18:06 < sbartleylinux> i got glx loaded with a tip from lupo__. 18:06 < sbartleylinux> then the message about XiG started 18:09 -!- morfic_ is now known as morfic 18:10 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 18:11 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: what is the line to change default color depth to 16 for workstations? 18:11 < jammcq> X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16 BUT, the default is 16 18:11 < sbartleylinux> even on j150? 18:12 < sbartleylinux> jammin-150 even.:) 18:13 < jammcq> yeah, the default in LTSP is 16 18:13 < sbartleylinux> k. 18:13 < sbartleylinux> hm 18:13 < jammcq> doesn't matter which hardware 18:14 < mistik1> wow 18:14 < mistik1> I love OSS 18:14 < morfic> OSS > ALSA 18:14 < morfic> or Open source software? 18:14 < mistik1> the latter 18:15 < mistik1> I just found an old program I used to use, its been through a name change and all that 18:15 < mistik1> the thing is I had done some hacks on the app and submitted it this is years ago 18:16 < mistik1> I just got the new app, hack is still there, so i'm guessing it was not such a hack afterall 18:16 < morfic> cool 18:17 < mistik1> remember cdrtoaster? 18:17 < mistik1> tcl/tk burning app 18:17 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: is there someplace where it is documented how exactly the workstation XF86Config file gets created and built? 18:19 < mistik1> the file is created when the workstation boots by the rc.setupx script which is called by rc.local the variables in the lts.conf are read to set certain params in the file that gets created 18:20 < mistik1> I believe the full documentations explains this 18:20 < sbartleylinux> mistik1: thx. 18:24 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:35 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@129.8.216.104] has quit ["Money talks, bullshit walks..."] 18:35 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:39 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 18:52 -!- zeus [~user@200.89.60.73] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:20 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-169-185.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 19:29 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 19:36 -!- Nidsamin [~mtuthill@pc2-rdng5-6-cust201.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ltsp 19:36 < Nidsamin> Hey guy's. I wonder if anyone can help. I'm looking for a cheap board that does PXE. 19:39 * Nidsamin Sobs 19:39 < jammcq> Nidsamin: are you talking about a motherboard or a network card ? 19:39 < Nidsamin> motherboard.. 19:40 < Nidsamin> I've looked at my local Etailer and all the major brands seem to skip PXE support. 19:41 < jammcq> well, if the motherboard has an embedded eepro100, then it probably also has pxe support built-in 19:41 < Nidsamin> Have you seen thier spec pages? how am i going to find that out? 19:41 < jammcq> no, just that's been my experience 19:42 < jammcq> I would expect it to be listed in the spec page tho 19:43 < Nidsamin> well I just wish that Asus/Aopen/MSI/Gigabyte listed it as PXE!! 19:43 < Nidsamin> the only support i've found was from PCChips/ASrock (same company) 19:44 < Nidsamin> and i hate thier boards 19:46 * Nidsamin wonders why Thinclient isn't more popular with the micro/flexATX designs 19:56 < Nidsamin> has anyone got a recomendation? as i'm three manuals down and still had no luck 19:58 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD9E1DCF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 19:58 -!- NoUse [~ejfiii@12-207-122-89.client.attbi.com] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 20:09 -!- zeus [~user@200.90.220.72] has joined #ltsp 20:16 -!- zeus [~user@200.90.220.72] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:18 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-169-185.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:19 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 20:19 < carlos-da-man> hola 20:19 < carlos-da-man> hi 20:19 < jammcq> hey 20:19 < carlos-da-man> I put a picture on the front page, how do you like it? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es/ 20:20 < jammcq> cool 20:20 < carlos-da-man> jammcq I also got my first visitor from the dominican republic ;) 20:20 < jammcq> cool 20:20 < carlos-da-man> jammcq I have a seroius problem with my ltsp 20:22 < carlos-da-man> 6 days ago and again today any restarted X just stayed on a black screen, logged in users still work but once they logout the screen just remains black and I have had to reboot the server to make the hole LTSP work 20:22 < jammcq> which display mgr are you using ? 20:22 < carlos-da-man> GDM 20:22 < jammcq> heh 20:22 < jammcq> why why why why ? 20:22 < carlos-da-man> am I doomed to KDE? 20:22 < jammcq> no 20:22 < jammcq> KDE is a desktop environment 20:22 < jammcq> not a display mgr 20:23 < jammcq> GDM is a display mgr, KDM is a display mgr 20:23 < jammcq> don't confuse a display mgr with a desktop environment 20:23 < jammcq> use KDM as your display mgr and GNome as your desktop 20:23 < carlos-da-man> http://www.themedepot.org/showarea.php4?area=11 this is the kewl reason, I exchange GDM themes every 2 or 3 days 8( 20:24 < carlos-da-man> is there a way to restore GDMs functions? 20:24 < jammcq> GDM is broke 20:24 < carlos-da-man> sorry, am I doomed to go KDM? 8( 20:24 < jammcq> the sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll move on and spend your time productively 20:25 < carlos-da-man> you are right about GDM, in fact this happens every since I upgraded so Ill go back to my previous GDM 8( 20:25 < jammcq> NO NO NO 20:25 < jammcq> just use kdm 20:25 < jammcq> solves all of those problems 20:25 < carlos-da-man> but KDM is not as cool as GDM when it comes to graphical themes 8( 20:26 < jammcq> ok, you need to make a decision. do you want something that works or do you want something pretty. it's up to you. 20:26 < carlos-da-man> btw nautilus already got on my nerves, now Im testing konqueror but it gives me a weird error message 20:27 < carlos-da-man> weird error message on a few users and my carlos user´s konqueror works ok 8/ 20:27 * jammcq prefers mozilla 20:27 < carlos-da-man> as a file manager? 20:27 < carlos-da-man> is it possible? 20:27 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["icewm-1.2.13pre2"] 20:27 * jammcq doesn't use a filemgr 20:28 < jammcq> that's what xterm is for :) 20:28 * carlos-da-man poners, good point 20:28 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 20:28 < carlos-da-man> morfic good to see ya! long time no see 20:29 < bill_c> add kill -9 0 to the end of your session script, and most of your problems will go away 20:29 < carlos-da-man> is there a command line option to make mozilla open a users home dir? 20:29 < morfic> yeah, how's life 20:29 < carlos-da-man> 'kill -9 0'? whath´s the '0' for? 20:29 < bill_c> mozilla, openoffice, evolution all leave nasty stray processes 20:30 < bill_c> kill -9 0 at end of /etc/X11/Sessions/ kills all those stray's 20:30 < carlos-da-man> what about all of those funky processes that will not leave with kill -9 not killall? 20:30 < carlos-da-man> but why 0? 20:30 < bill_c> this has caught those for me, sice it runs when the X11 session ends 20:32 < bill_c> i have ltsp servers in a couple 60 terminal computer labs (900 kids) and all the stray processes, made be stop offering mozilla 20:32 < bill_c> till the kill -9 0 20:32 < carlos-da-man> http://geocities.com/cucnews/suicide.html whouldn´t this be better? 20:32 < bill_c> now they all can use mozilla, open office and evolution all they want 20:33 < morfic> carlos-da-man: try it all? 20:34 < bill_c> carlos-da-man: that script works at a different time 20:34 < carlos-da-man> really? 20:34 < carlos-da-man> hmmm 20:34 < bill_c> kill -9 0 at the end of the session script, will only kill the stray process when the user's X11 session ends 20:34 < bill_c> this script would be run by root, to kill processes 20:34 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 20:35 < bill_c> pkill -U would do the same 20:35 < bill_c> stole pkill from jammcq the other day :) 20:35 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has quit [Client Quit] 20:35 < jammcq> although kill -9 0 seems interesting. 20:36 < carlos-da-man> kewl 20:36 < jammcq> the '0' causes kill to kill all of the processes in the current process group 20:36 < jammcq> that's different from all the processes owned by that user id 20:36 < carlos-da-man> pkill -U juat made a client of mine whine rith now! ehehehe 20:36 < bill_c> works very well, I have had 30 kids just turn off terminals with mozilla open, and no stray's 20:36 < jammcq> using GDM ? 20:36 < bill_c> gdm and kdm 20:36 < bill_c> i like gdm better, but using kdm right now 20:37 < carlos-da-man> so where exactly whould kill -9 0 go? 20:37 < carlos-da-man> Ill miss GDM 20:37 < bill_c> in gentoo /etc/X11/Sessions/Default 20:37 < bill_c> not sure where distro's put session files 20:38 < bill_c> or /etc/X11/Sessions/kde3.1.2 for me 20:38 < bill_c> make it last line, that script is ran one line at a time 20:38 < bill_c> so when session ends, either by terminal shutdown, or just turning off, it will call the kill -9 0 at end 20:40 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 20:40 < sbartleylinux> Anyone good with CUPS on here? 20:41 < bill_c> carlos-da-man: gdm from site works very well, but I'm using kdm till I get some other annoyances fixed 20:42 < bill_c> i use cups with all my servers, but haven't really done anything besides setup printer in it 20:44 < sbartleylinux> bill_c: trying to figure out how to get a printer that is not listed in the available model's list to show up. 20:44 < sbartleylinux> I think you should just have to add the ppd file to the system and it should show but it is not working that way. 20:45 < bill_c> you have to put it where it expects to find it, then you need to restart cups 20:45 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 20:45 < bill_c> i use cups + foomatic, and had to restart cups after adding all the foomatic ppds 20:45 < sbartleylinux> I have done that but it still does not show up in the model list. 20:46 < sbartleylinux> The odd part is that I had done this on my LTSP server in the past. The server was on RH7.3 when I did it. 20:46 < carlos-da-man> ohh so kill -9 0 will be written in the same file where GNOME or KDE is written, ie Sessions/kde etc 20:47 < sbartleylinux> I recently upgraded the LTSP server to 9 and now, that system is also not showing the printer in the model list. 20:47 < bill_c> carlos-da-man: yeah should be at end 20:47 < bill_c> sbartleylinux: what printer is it? 20:48 < sbartleylinux> Konica 7165 20:48 < sbartleylinux> ppd is the 7060-US.ppd 20:49 < bill_c> ok you prob need to install the foomatic rpm 20:50 < sbartleylinux> it is already. foomatic-2.0.2-15.1 20:52 < GodFodder> sbartleylinux: Were you at the LTSP booth in San Fan this summer 20:52 < sbartleylinux> GodFodder: yes I was. 20:52 < jammcq> heh 20:52 < sbartleylinux> heh jammcq 20:52 < GodFodder> sbartleylinux: Are you the guy who's got a letter or two missing in his first name? 20:53 < sbartleylinux> GodFodder: :) Yep. that would be me.:) 20:53 < GodFodder> Do you know who I am? 20:53 < sbartleylinux> GodFodder: no, should I? 20:54 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: hey, show the GodFodder some respect 20:54 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: LOL.:) 20:54 -!- |Mavic| [~mavic@pool-151-197-184-58.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #ltsp 20:54 < GodFodder> sbartleylinux: Ron Colcernian, good to see/talk to you! 20:54 < sbartleylinux> lmao 20:55 < GodFodder> sbartleylinux: What's the abbrev lmao mean? 20:55 < sbartleylinux> GodFodder: laughing my *** off. 20:55 < GodFodder> Ya, we did have fun! 20:56 < sbartleylinux> GodFodder: how have you been? 20:56 < GodFodder> Been good, working way too hard. 20:56 < sbartleylinux> likewise. I am over 80hrs for this week. 20:57 < GodFodder> sbartleylinux: Hey did you ever help that lady from europe? The one you met at the BOF. 20:57 < sbartleylinux> I exchanged one email with her and have not heard anything since then. 20:58 < GodFodder> sbartleylinux: too bad, it sounded like a great opportunity. 20:58 < sbartleylinux> yep, but, I really dont think she needed much help. 20:58 < sbartleylinux> she already had linux servers in place and just simply needed to install/config ltsp. 20:59 < sbartleylinux> put boot disks in the win. workstations and reboot them. 20:59 < sbartleylinux> I think she went away much more confident in her ability to accomplish what she needed. 21:00 < GodFodder> sbartleylinux: that good, hope she was successful 21:00 < sbartleylinux> me too. If not, i expect I will get a mail with questions.:) 21:00 < GodFodder> sbartleylinux: why you working 80 / week? 21:00 < sbartleylinux> 60 hours at my day job and another 22 with my own company. 21:01 < sbartleylinux> probably spend another 2-3 today on my day job too. 21:01 < GodFodder> sbartleylinux: you will be very successful, I think Jim and I would tell you that's what it takes at times 21:01 < bill_c> jammcq: you should sign up as a amazon.com affiliate, I buy 1 or 2 books a month, ltsp would get a little just just for linking to them 21:02 < sbartleylinux> I think I will forward that comment on to my wife.;) 21:02 < jammcq> bill_c: hmm, interesting 21:03 < GodFodder> sbartleylinux: ya, your wife needs to join the same club jim's and my wife joined, "The missing working husband's support group" 21:03 < sbartleylinux> lol. exactly. 21:03 -!- zeus [~user@200.90.220.72] has joined #ltsp 21:04 < zeus> hi 21:04 < bill_c> wow xchat 2.0.3 lets you start name and tab to complete it 21:05 < sbartleylinux> bill_c: pretty cool huh. 21:05 < bill_c> the wonders of the tab key 21:05 < jammcq> hmm, BitchX has always done that 21:05 < sbartleylinux> lol 21:05 < bill_c> i like my purty gui 21:08 < bill_c> i got usb detection working, catches most mice and kb's 21:10 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: you remember my issue the other day with up2date? 21:10 < jammcq> ya 21:10 < jammcq> bill_c: oooooh, cool 21:10 < sbartleylinux> i put my ws back to ltsp3 and up2date works. 21:10 < jammcq> huh ? 21:10 < jammcq> makes no sense 21:10 < sbartleylinux> seems like the font issue is something with ltsp4 21:15 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: were you trying to run up2date from an LTSP workstation ? 21:16 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: yes. I use a jammin-150 as my ws. I ssh to a Linux Server and run up2date on the remote server. 21:17 < sbartleylinux> It works under the ltsp3 tree 21:17 < sbartleylinux> when I set the ws to ltsp-4, i get the following message 21:17 < sbartleylinux> RuntimeError: Could not create GdkFont Object 21:18 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:18 < sbartleylinux> Helvetica-Bold-R-Normal--12-*-*-*-e-*-ISO8859-1 21:18 < sbartleylinux> is in the line before that 21:19 < sbartleylinux> with a gtkloadfont command 21:19 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 21:21 < sbartleylinux> Is there a way to have the screen of a ws set to show on my ws? This way, I could have the output of the other ws booted into ltsp-4 showing in a windows on my screen??? 21:23 < sbartleylinux> i.e. I could boot one ws into ltsp-4 and then type a command to redirect the X session to a remote screen for viewing? 21:23 < sbartleylinux> The remote screen could be my ws booted into ltsp-3? 21:25 -!- bjohnson|away is now known as bjohnson 21:27 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: ? 21:31 < sbartleylinux> anyone? 21:31 < GodFodder> i'm here 21:31 * jammcq is on the phone 21:31 < zeus> jaja 21:31 < zeus> me too I'm here 21:31 < sbartleylinux> GodFodder: glad to here it.:) I was thinking i had lost connection. 21:32 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: np. 21:40 -!- geo-r0x [soucomovc@200.216.171.71] has joined #LTSP 21:54 -!- GodFodder [~rcc@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 22:02 < sbartleylinux> be back in a few 22:03 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:20 < sbartleylinux> k. back. 22:20 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 22:25 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 22:27 < carlos-da-man> 'Could not read network connection list. /home/wiza/.DCOPserver_mr_ferrari.checa.ath.cx_0 please make sure the program "dcopserver" is running' 22:28 < carlos-da-man> what´s that? 22:28 < zeus> hi carlos-da-man :) 22:28 < carlos-da-man> zeus hi 22:28 < carlos-da-man> what`s up zeus? 22:29 < zeus> I'm downloading Debian GNU/Hurd 22:29 < zeus> :) 22:30 < zeus> I'm happy, just need 30h to finish :P 22:31 < carlos-da-man> zeus can hurd LTSP? 22:31 < zeus> don't know 22:31 < zeus> anyone can answer that question ?? 22:32 < jammcq> LTSP is 'Linux Terminal Server Project'. why do people want to run it on other things ? 22:32 < carlos-da-man> hehehe 22:32 < zeus> :P 22:32 < zeus> jammcq: why not ? 22:33 < jammcq> people forget that the 'L' in LTSP stands for Linux 22:33 < jammcq> oh, it could work 22:33 < carlos-da-man> at least Im happy I can LTSP on MAC 22:33 < zeus> I want to prove 22:34 < carlos-da-man> jammcq 'Could not read network connection list. /home/wiza/.DCOPserver_mr_ferrari.checa.ath.cx_0 please make sure the program "dcopserver" is running' what could it be? it comes up when users try to run konqueror in IOceWM 22:34 < carlos-da-man> zeus fun 22:34 < jammcq> DCOPserver is part of KDE 22:34 < zeus> yup 22:34 < jammcq> probably the k12osn mailing list would be a good place to get help on that 22:47 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: do you have time to walk through the ltsp-4 font issue? 22:48 < sbartleylinux> is there a way to redirect the screen output from one ws to a diff ws? 22:50 -!- brainless [~asa@c-24-30-101-108.we.client2.attbi.com] has quit [] 22:51 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: what kind of redirection are you looking for ? 22:51 < jammcq> something like a vnc ? 22:51 -!- MrDarkUser [~chatzilla@chi-tgn-goi-vty27.as.wcom.net] has joined #ltsp 22:52 < sbartleylinux> no, was wondering if there was a way i could have a ws booted with ltsp-4 and have it's screen redirected to my ws which is booted in ltsp-3. 22:52 < jammcq> sorry, doesn't make sense to me 22:52 < sbartleylinux> lol. 22:52 < sbartleylinux> not surprising as I am having trouble explaining it myself. 22:52 < sbartleylinux> my ws is booted and i am logged in using ltsp-3. 22:53 < jammcq> the screens are coming from the server 22:53 < jammcq> ltsp-3 and ltsp-4 simply get a kernel and an Xserver into the workstations memory 22:53 < sbartleylinux> I want a diff ws in a diff room booted in ltsp-4. 22:54 < jammcq> ok, you can have both ltsp-3 and ltsp-4 on the same server 22:54 < sbartleylinux> I then want to be able to tell the server to send the ltsp-4 images to a window on my ltsp-3 ws so I can troubleshoot the ltsp4 issue from my ltsp3 ws. 22:54 < sbartleylinux> kind of like pcanywhere/vnc but ws to ws or more accurately server x session to server x session 22:54 < jammcq> BUT, there's no such thing as an LTSP-4 image 22:55 < sbartleylinux> sorry. symantic 22:55 < jammcq> both ltsp-3 and ltsp-4 connect to the server 22:55 < sbartleylinux> images meaning what would be displayed to the ltsp-4 screen 22:55 < jammcq> the server is running XDM or KDM or GDM 22:55 < sbartleylinux> xdm 22:55 < jammcq> well, it's take a look at your font problem 22:56 < sbartleylinux> k. 22:56 < jammcq> did you install the ltsp-4 fonts package ? 22:56 < sbartleylinux> i followed the wget installation 22:56 < sbartleylinux> instructions 22:56 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 22:56 < jammcq> one of the components to install is the 'ltsp_x_addtl_fonts' 22:56 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-3-212-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 22:57 < sbartleylinux> how do i tell if it actually installed it? 22:57 < jammcq> look in /var/cache/ltsp 22:57 < jammcq> look for ltsp-x-fonts-* 22:58 < sbartleylinux> ltsp-x-core-0.02-0-i386.tgz 22:58 < sbartleylinux> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18708112 Aug 6 08:17 ltsp-x-fonts-0.02-0-i386.tgz 22:58 < sbartleylinux> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12185230 Aug 6 08:17 ltsp-x-fonts-100dpi-0.02-0-i386.tgz 22:58 < jammcq> that -100- is the additional fonts 22:58 < sbartleylinux> k. 22:58 < jammcq> so, you prolly have it 22:58 < jammcq> installed 22:58 < sbartleylinux> hm 22:59 < sbartleylinux> is the helvetica font included in that? 22:59 < jammcq> hmm, dunno, lets go look 23:01 < sbartleylinux> seems to have helvB* for ISO8859-1 which is what I believe it was having trouble with. 23:01 < jammcq> where are you looking ? 23:01 < jammcq> ah, in the 100 23:01 < sbartleylinux> yes. 23:01 < jammcq> the problem is, you aren't even using the -100 fonts 23:02 < jammcq> I wonder why the helv* fonts didn't get included in the 75dpi fonts 23:03 < keyur> hi, jammcq i have set kdm and it works, but now when i open /etc/sysconfig/desktop file, it doesn't shows DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" line there 23:03 < keyur> why? 23:03 < jammcq> keyur: dunno 23:04 < keyur> then how to take back gdm display manager 23:04 < jammcq> how did you tell it to use KDM ? 23:04 < keyur> just by changing it to, DISPLAYMANAGER="GNOME" 23:04 < jammcq> setting DISPLAYMANAGER="GNOME" made it use KDM ? 23:05 < keyur> then DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM" directly ? 23:05 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: true. 75 does not have helv. 100 does. however, the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts directory does not contain a 100dpi directory. So, that would make me think that the ltsp-x-fonts-100dpi did not actually get installed. 23:05 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: could be 23:06 < jammcq> but even if it did get installed, it won't use the 100dpi fonts by default 23:06 < carlos-da-man> are there nice themes for kdm? 8( 23:06 < sbartleylinux> you said that i am not using the -100 fonts. is that a default? if so, can I change so that i am using them and install the 100 fonts. 23:06 < keyur> jammcq : how to rallback to gdm now, when i want 23:06 < jammcq> using 100dpi fonts requires a couple of of settings 23:06 < sbartleylinux> and, will it allow to use both 75 and 100 at same time or only one of them? 23:07 < jammcq> keyur: read the /etc/X11/prefdm file, it is the one that determines which Display mgr is going to be used 23:07 < jammcq> sbartleylinux: I think only 1 23:07 < jammcq> you have to start XFree86 with a -bpp 100, I think 23:09 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:10 < keyur> jammcq : yes, i there they have write that if DISPLAYMANAGER=GNOME then they use gdm, if it is KDE then they use kdm, if they use xdm then they use xdm 23:11 < jammcq> yeah 23:12 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:15 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 23:15 < carlos-da-man> whats gdmsetups kdm counterpart? I dont want user names to be seen at ws logins 23:17 -!- |Mavic| [~mavic@pool-151-197-184-58.phil.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:23 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 23:23 < sbartleylinux> bummer. 23:23 < sbartleylinux> sorry. did i miss any of your input there jammcq? 23:25 < sbartleylinux> jammcq: So, if the fonts are missing from the ltsp-4 75dpi, is there an easy way to add them? 23:25 < jammcq> well, i'm digging into it now. the package.def file is setup to include the helv fonts in the ltsp-x-fonts package, but for some reason, they just ain't there 23:25 < sbartleylinux> hm. odd. 23:25 < jammcq> i've tried rebuilding the package, and each time, no helv fonts 23:25 < jammcq> :( 23:25 < jammcq> ya 23:29 < sbartleylinux> well, I am going home finally. I will check in with you later to see how it goes with the fonts. thx for all your help. 23:29 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has quit ["Client exiting"] 23:31 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 23:36 -!- geo-r0x [soucomovc@200.216.171.71] has quit ["A verdadeira amizade é aquela que lembrança não apaga, a distância não separa, a maldade nao destroi #r0xclan"] 23:44 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away 23:44 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 23:45 < carlos-da-man> what is this 'access automaytically after X dies' or something in KDe control center > access administrator > misc > various > 23:46 -!- bjohnson|away is now known as bjohnson 23:47 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Client Quit] 23:55 -!- aflinta__ [aflinta@printserver.komandos.krakow.pl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:55 -!- aflinta_ [aflinta@printserver.komandos.krakow.pl] has joined #ltsp 23:57 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away --- Day changed Mon Sep 08 2003 00:01 -!- bjohnson|away [~bjohnson@ip229-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:06 -!- zeus [~user@200.90.220.72] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:41 < aflinta_> /wc 00:41 -!- aflinta_ [aflinta@printserver.komandos.krakow.pl] has left #ltsp [] 00:47 -!- manimay_ [~mani@p50808F0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 00:58 -!- manimay [~mani@pD9544365.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:25 -!- AlohaWolf [~alohawulf@cpe-66-75-99-232.socal.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 01:26 < AlohaWolf> I got a question, what is the minimum that the Workstation will run on and run Xwindows? 01:41 -!- MrDarkUser [~chatzilla@chi-tgn-goi-vty27.as.wcom.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.5a/20030615]"] 01:49 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:53 < Nidsamin> Does anyone know of any MATX motherboards that can netboot using intergrated LAN? 02:02 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 02:03 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 02:09 -!- AlohaWolf [~alohawulf@cpe-66-75-99-232.socal.rr.com] has left #ltsp ["Wulfie be gone!"] 02:09 -!- lavoro [~lavoro@host181-44.pool8174.interbusiness.it] has joined #ltsp 02:11 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 02:12 -!- tcragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has joined #ltsp 02:12 < lavoro> after booting Linux, my box says: starting dhclient, mounting /opt/lspt/i386 as root and do nothing more 02:14 < lavoro> sending a ping to the workstation, it replies correctly 02:15 < tcragnar> lavoro: check that the NFS service is running and properly configured to accept the connection from the thin client 02:16 < lavoro> the NFS is running, what about configuring the client? 02:17 < tcragnar> the client is configured using lts.conf 02:17 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 02:19 -!- lavoro [~lavoro@host181-44.pool8174.interbusiness.it] has left #ltsp [] 02:20 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:20 < tcragnar> lavoro: check the log on the server for messages about connections from the client 02:24 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:31 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 02:56 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 02:57 < project9_> what is....... SVGA:16Bpp not support for this chipset 03:03 < tcragnar> exactly what it says :-) 03:09 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 03:13 -!- Nidsamin [~mtuthill@pc2-rdng5-6-cust201.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:16 -!- bucksemtex [~semtex@195.159.154.114] has joined #ltsp 03:18 < project9_> tcrangnar:sorry i was gone to attend phone 03:19 < bucksemtex> hei, any help on how to send a message to all terminals, using icewm so i cant use "wall message", any help? 03:19 < project9_> a configration device found ,but display mode couldnt be resolved 03:21 -!- jond3rd [~jon@202.8.246.83] has joined #ltsp 03:26 < tcragnar> project9_: you have an odd graphics card, maybe. 03:26 < project9_> i am getting this problem with two cards agp as well as pci 03:28 < tcragnar> which cards? 03:29 < tcragnar> you may have to experiment a little with XFree86 modules to get the right one if the cards cannot be set up automagically 03:32 < bucksemtex> ja, en del festing :-) 03:32 -!- bucksemtex [~semtex@195.159.154.114] has quit ["Klienten avslutter"] 03:32 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:33 < Snafu> http://www-124.ibm.com/linux/projects/minilibc 04:46 -!- bucksemtex [~semtex@195.159.154.114] has joined #ltsp 04:49 < bucksemtex> anybody know how i can send message to all icewm terminals? 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06:12 < nelius> help topic 06:13 -!- Yngwie [~jsimovic@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has left #ltsp [] 06:57 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:57 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:02 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 07:02 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has joined #ltsp 07:04 < keyurbhatt> hi tom 07:05 < keyurbhatt> how r u? 07:07 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD9E1DCF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:15 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has joined #ltsp 07:20 -!- tcragnar [~ragnar@193.91.146.34] has quit ["Klient afslutter"] 07:22 -!- parsley__ [[Dnu4cjDLs@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:28 -!- parsley [[DfQaWG6nI@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 07:44 -!- bucksemtex [~semtex@195.159.154.114] has quit ["Klienten avslutter"] 07:47 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 07:48 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DCF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 07:59 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 08:04 < nelius> is somebody out there who can help my with compiling lbe 08:07 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 08:09 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.145.247] has joined #ltsp 08:10 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.145.247] has left #ltsp [] 08:11 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 08:14 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 08:17 -!- ayanami [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 08:25 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:28 -!- misato [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:41 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 09:07 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 09:13 -!- david [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 09:15 < david> Does anyone have experience with NVidia 5 (RIVA TNT2) cards and flat panel displays? 09:17 < nelius> yes, me 09:18 < david> nelius: The panel docs say 1024x768 is the native resolution. 09:18 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@210.23.248.37] has joined #ltsp 09:19 < david> No matter what resolution I use, the top third of the image appears on the bottom third of the screen. 09:19 < nyophirdo> hi! im currently having a big problem with our ltsp setup.. it was previously working ok but when we upgraded from rh7.3 to rh9 it started eating out a lot of mem resources 09:20 < nyophirdo> earlier this afternoon with only 10 users it was able to consume 512 mb memory + 2 GB swap which restarted the server 09:20 < nelius> david: i had equal probs. with that card. I had to insert a modline with exactly the values out of the manual from the pannel 09:20 < nyophirdo> can u give me any tips on how to detect the source of the problem (is it an application or rh memory management) 09:21 < Snafu> "rh memory management" heh 09:21 < nyophirdo> seems like theres a leak somewhere ... but i dont know how to detect a leak 09:22 < nyophirdo> or verify if theres actually a leak 09:22 < Snafu> redhat memeory managment ? i mean rh do make some patches but i doubt they replace the VM system 09:23 < Snafu> so if you want to watch netscape suck all ram why not just run top ? 09:23 < Snafu> hit caps M and just watch ? 09:24 < david> nyophirdo: 'top' will show you where your system resources are going. 09:24 < nyophirdo> actually i noticed that some processes are still there even when the user has already logged out 09:24 < david> nyophirdo: gtop will do it graphically, but it needs more resources. 09:24 < david> nyophirdo: are you using gdm?> 09:25 < nyophirdo> yes 09:25 < nyophirdo> in order to save on memory .. i actually had to shift my users from kde/gnome to icewm 09:25 < Snafu> David so monitor ram with a mem pig ? hehheheh funny 09:26 < david> ;-) he he he he 09:26 < Snafu> And dave its likly your nvidia driver ,,, 09:27 < nelius> have some of u experience with compiling lbe? 09:28 < nyophirdo> may i ask if theres anyone here who uses rh9 as their os ... whats a typical memory/# of user ration 09:28 < nyophirdo> may i ask if theres anyone here who uses rh9 as their os ... whats a typical memory/# of user ratio 09:28 < Snafu> not to mention ... that the flat panel prob runs at a slower refresh .. ( they are slow screens anyway, so 90 mhz dont help ) 09:28 -!- morfic- [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #ltsp 09:29 < Snafu> ny running NetMempigscape 7 or the smaller 4.x ? or the thinner mozilla or that thinner konq ? or lynx ? 09:30 < Snafu> and rh9 isnt an os 09:30 < Snafu> rh do make some kernel patches but i doubt they replace the VM system 09:31 < nyophirdo> basically my clients are using openoffice, mozilla, evolution, LinNeighborhood ... theyve been using these when it was in rh7.3 and i had no problems 09:31 < david> nyophirdo: rh9, like any linux, is very flexible. Are you using GDM, KDM, or XDM for your display manager? Are you using Gnome, KDE, or something else? 09:31 < david> Are you using Netscape, Mozilla, or Galeon? 09:32 < Snafu> the differences will be a fatter userspace .. they are prob running gcc 3.x c++ stuff and its immature by compare 09:32 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:32 < Snafu> not to mention nescape 7 is a total pig even before it leaks and all of them leak .. 09:32 < david> I'm running RH9 on my servers, and do not have any memory problems at the moment. 09:32 < morfic-> Snafu: how to find whats causing a P166/32MB to lose connection after ~10hours of uptime, all network connectivity is lost, sometimes i can ping into the lan but nothing can ping the router, when i look with ps aux nothing seems to be using crazy amounts of ram, yet it seems the OOM Killer kill sof my networking, just a guess based on alkml thread about OOM Killer sometimes killing of behavin/essential stuff while not touching hogs like netscap 09:32 < morfic-> e (bad example the router has no xfree86) 09:33 < david> Snafu: Do you feel strongly about Netscape 7? ;-) 09:33 < nyophirdo> david : would u mind if i ask for the memory consumption - # of client ratio 09:33 < morfic-> david: no snafu feels strongly, dont limit his strong feelings to netscape 09:33 < nyophirdo> david : just to give me a rough estimate as to the correct memory requreiments 09:34 < morfic-> david wouild be wise to A) not answer that or B) include a scenario including WM/DE and apps used 09:35 < nelius> nyoph...: i think it's really hard to make estimations even so only rough estimations, caus it depends dramediously on your apps 09:36 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:36 < morfic-> the apps, the window managers involved 09:36 < Snafu> yeah im pretty democratic .. if i single out netscape 7 .. it improperly reduces the proper disdain i have for all the other memeory theaving pork written by those that have the latest quad opteron/32gb donated to them .. 09:36 < david> nyophirdo: I don't mind telling you what my memory usage is, but it won't help you. 09:37 -!- keyurbhatt [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:37 < Snafu> look at the new gnome its gotten so fat esp with anti alias it cant be used for ltsp 09:37 < nyophirdo> nelius : yes i agree ... but from a guy whose upgraded and formatted an ltsp server and still gets unsatisfactory performance ... ill take every bit of info 09:37 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has joined #ltsp 09:37 < david> Hey, Jason! How are you? 09:37 < nyophirdo> Snafu : so gnome is a no no ? so gnomes already as resource hungry as kde? 09:37 < morfic-> nyophirdo: when you installed rhl9 did you chose a server install? 09:38 -!- xnyx [~xnyx@c-66-94-biz2.mts.net] has joined #LTSP 09:38 < xnyx> heyas 09:38 < morfic-> nyophirdo: gnome,kde are nonos imho 09:38 < nelius> have u tried to estimate with "top" whats going on in ure system? 09:38 < Snafu> but why arnt you watching top ? it can be one use only causing all the problems .. 09:38 < nyophirdo> its actually customized ... tried to limit the apps as much as possible 09:38 < morfic-> nyophirdo: *box would be nice, but icewm is probably best choice if you have (ex)windows users on your system as it will make them feel most comfortable 09:38 < Snafu> one session of netscape can suck all ram ... all by itself if run long enough ,,, 09:39 < nyophirdo> nelius : yes ive been running top and all i see are multiple instances of kdeinit, nfsd, bonobo-moniker ... still have to find out what these apps are (especially the bonobo) 09:39 < morfic-> nyophirdo: just woindering if you can turn off unneeded daemons as it installs a butload as 'server' 09:39 < nyophirdo> and if nfsd really has to have so many instances 09:39 < Snafu> Nyop and think about setting ULIMIT limits on ram usage .. 09:39 < morfic-> nyophirdo: get a slim WM, get a slim browser, i guess you wont get around OOo 09:40 < nelius> nyo...: when ure running to, hit shift+m and than u can se what it is 09:40 < nyophirdo> im currently endorsing icewm and galeon ... unfortunately our security guard (which has a thin client) cant adjust to the no drag drop approach 09:40 < nyophirdo> so hes an exception and uses gnome instead 09:41 < morfic-> no drag drop? 09:41 < morfic-> drag drop where/for what 09:42 < david> nyophirdo: It sounds like you've done a lot to keep memory usage down, so let's try figuring out where your memory is going. 09:43 < morfic-> nyophirdo: which version of icewm and are you using icewmbg? 09:43 < david> nyophirdo: Run top, and then type M (not m). This will sort processes by memory usage. What are your top memory users? 09:43 < xnyx> anyone got any ideas how I would determine if a given system (DELL Optiplex 100, built 1994 pentium 133) would not work with PXE 09:43 < Snafu> yeah the new kde seems to be a shitstorm of demons 09:43 < morfic-> icewmbg had a leak which was fixed in 1.2.13pre1 1.2.13pre2 has a fix to make icewm-session now finally work properly 09:44 < morfic-> so snafu is the best written AI we have seen? 09:46 < nyophirdo> david : im currently connecting to my ltsp server via ssh and acc to top python run by root is on the top of the list w/ 8% 09:46 < morfic-> david: top then M is what i need to do when i get home, my P166/32MB gentoo router dies after no more than 20 hours of use 09:46 < Snafu> Morf define written ... as opposed to the army-of-monkeys ( actually we used preschoolers on a diet of free choice hershey bars ) 09:46 < nyophirdo> the funny thing is that theres supposed to be no more users in the office .. since its already 11 pm 09:46 < morfic-> yeah ssh is one of my biggest consumers on the P166 09:46 < nyophirdo> but i see several processes that were supposed to be killed when the users logged out 09:47 < morfic-> nyophirdo: latenight session of pron by VP 09:48 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 09:48 < nyophirdo> right now it lists 6 users (including about 3 of my opened shell console ... i forgot to logout) and uses 415 MB RAM and 94 MB swap 09:49 < Snafu> Governments need armies to protect them against their enslaved and oppressed subjects. -- Leo Tolstoy 09:49 < Snafu> Users dont use ram procs do .. what user they belong to only identifies them further 09:50 < Snafu> as i said ... run top caps M and watch 09:50 < xnyx> anyone know if its possible for a desktop to be "pre PXE" enough that it wont work ? 09:50 < Snafu> why isnt it simple to look at pigs sorted by declining ram usage ? 09:50 -!- zeus [~user@200.89.52.143] has joined #ltsp 09:51 < Snafu> a pre pxe "desktop" ? 09:51 < david> nyophrido: If you run top, then M, what are the top five processes listed? 09:51 < xnyx> yeah... I have 30 old Dell P 133's and it seems that PXE wont work on them 09:51 < nyophirdo> Snafu : acc to dec ram usage : python 8 %, soffice 4.7 %, mozilla 4.6 %, mozilla 4.5 %, nautilus 1.2 % 09:51 < Snafu> pxe has nothing to do with window decorations ... 09:52 < xnyx> im not refering to windoz.. im refering to "Desktop PC" 09:52 < Snafu> so you have a leacky python script ... 09:52 < xnyx> as opposed to laptob PC etc... 09:52 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 09:52 < Snafu> that a python script is sucking more than a browser .. is quite alarming ... yes ? 09:53 < Snafu> and who owns that pythin proccess ? 09:53 < nyophirdo> Snafu : root 09:53 < morfic-> in top hit c and see the command line for it, maybe it gives you a clue as to what its meant to do 09:54 < Snafu> heheh some p o crap subst for a c written daemon .. or some fellas rootkit perhaps 09:54 < Snafu> there should not be any python script running as root .. 09:55 < Snafu> unless redcrap co has gone even further insane ... 09:55 < Snafu> somebody might need shooting over there 09:55 < nyophirdo> Snafu / morfic : cant quite see the whole process since the display gets cut off ... so should i roast the damn memory pig and give it a kill 09:55 < Snafu> how does an xterm get "cut off" ? 09:56 < morfic-> he like i wouldnt know how to scroll in it? 09:56 < Snafu> and yeah i would grep inside init.d and find what the fuq is running python as root ... 09:57 < Snafu> what asshole would do that ? my machine might be a 486 .. and they want to replace some small C writrwn binary with a python replacment for something ? 09:57 < Snafu> the redhat guys are losing all sense 09:58 < Snafu> lsof -n | grep python would be nice to do too ... 09:59 < Snafu> well .. if the redcrap guys arent dumbfuck enough to leave out lsof 10:00 * morfic- weeps over his lost connection to his router 10:00 < morfic-> life is so boring w/o that 10:00 < Snafu> that would perhaps tell you what script and what scipt might tell ya where to look 10:01 < Snafu> Morf that you would be seeing oom killer .. you running redcrap 9 too ? 10:01 < morfic-> Snafu: he could look at the pid if its some funky high pid ot wont be part of init process, no? 10:01 < Snafu> might be the same python po shit 10:02 < Snafu> Morf yeah that too ... if he has lsof tho ... 10:02 < Snafu> then its the fastest way to find it 10:02 < Snafu> lsof -n | grep python 10:02 < nyophirdo> im trying to get the actual path by putting top results to a file but its garbled .. pid of pythod script is 15142 10:02 < Snafu> lsof -n | grep python | less ;=) 10:02 < morfic-> Snafu: no im not, its gentoo, with a kernel.org kernel, 2.4.21, 2.4.21-ac1, 2.4.22, 2.4.22-aa1 2.6.0-test4-mm1 all behave the same, after X number of hours networking slowly dies, then is dead, somwetimes i can ping a lan box 10:03 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 10:04 < Snafu> well that userspace could affect that at all isnt right ... esp with a unpatched kernel ... unless ! you are running ppoe pppd or other external userspace stuff 10:04 < carlos-da-man> KDM is defulting to KDE even though I put DESKTOP=ICEWM in /etc/sysconfig/desktop 10:04 -!- trancefx [bibhqa@h-66-167-211-60.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has joined #ltsp 10:04 < Snafu> kdm bypasses that ... 10:05 < carlos-da-man> Snafu how can I set icewm as default in KDM? 10:05 < nyophirdo> Snafu : ive execute lsof and it gave me a bunch of lines with diff so files (e.g. libpango.so) 10:05 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:05 < Snafu> kdm allows you to chose the desktop ... after all eh ? 10:05 < carlos-da-man> hehehe 10:05 < carlos-da-man> whoopsa 10:05 < Snafu> lsof -n | grep python | less Nyop right ! and it will give the file name of the script running too ... 10:06 < Snafu> Carlos ;=) 10:06 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 10:06 < carlos-da-man> I changed the order in kde control center and its back to defaults after reboot 10:07 < nyophirdo> Snafu : well theres rhn-apple (whats this?), python and yum 10:07 < Snafu> hehehe so your loading appletalk ethertalk eh ? hehehe 10:07 < nyophirdo> whats that ... how do i remove it 10:08 < nyophirdo> do i need that apple thin 10:08 < nyophirdo> do i need that apple thing 10:08 < Snafu> well i scrape out the runlevel trees manually ... you need to run the runlevel editor .. 10:09 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-173-78.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 10:09 < nyophirdo> can i do the scraping across ssh? how do i do this "scraping" 10:09 < Snafu> mc runs in ssh nice dont it ? 10:10 < Snafu> look at the symlinks .. read the init.d content they point to .. 10:10 < nyophirdo> ok im using ntsysv and im presented with all the services 10:10 < Snafu> grep /init.d/ for the name mentioned in the lsof display etc .. 10:13 < nyophirdo> i currently have the services that are turned on ... im seeing some service that im not familiar of 10:13 < nyophirdo> would u mind telling me if i need or not 10:13 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:14 < nyophirdo> anacron, apmd, atd, gpm,random , rawdevices, sgi_fam 10:14 < Snafu> what "services" could you need besides nfs and inetd ? prob with redcrap is they use init() for more than daemons .. 10:14 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 10:14 < nyophirdo> which one should i turn off and what does all these mean? 10:15 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:15 < Snafu> sgi_fam ? heh 10:15 < Snafu> fam = file access monitor ... but thats in irix ... 10:16 -!- ccjoe [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 10:16 < Snafu> so whats that doing there ? artifact leftover from xfs ? 10:16 < morfic-> Snafu: more on userspace 10:17 < morfic-> rhl9 would be using xinetd btw snafu at least be default 10:18 < Snafu> Morf well look ... the linux kernel except for a few blops is solid .. esp just sitting there .. but not all networking is all in kernel i.e when your using ppoe ( ppp over ethernet ) or ppp .... 10:18 < morfic-> not using that, cable modem, using connections over 2 3com nics 2x59x is compiled into kernel for the nics 10:19 < morfic-> not using that, cable modem, using connections over 2 3com nics 3c59x is compiled into kernel for the nics 10:19 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 10:19 < Snafu> ya but plain dhcp ? or ppoe ? 10:20 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-173-78.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:20 < Snafu> and it might be your firewall closing off the dhcp ports to that your lease isnt renewed and your cable isp is droping you 10:20 < morfic-> iptables is there , plain static ips for inet and lan, im forcing my IP (which i have done for one year+ in fbsd) because i hate losing it 10:21 < Damascene> hm 10:21 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-173-78.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 10:21 < morfic-> Snafu: no box is up and on IP refusing connections thats whats puzzling me, noone can help with that, i get "connection refused" which implies action on side of box, not "connection timedout" which would imply a truly dead connection/box 10:21 < Snafu> i mean periodically the isp will send a 'you still there" signal .. if you have it blocked .. then you are telling the isp to dump you on your ass ;=) 10:21 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:22 < Snafu> yeah like inetd is being killed eh ? 10:23 < morfic-> Snafu: its very possibly being blocked the log used to show some dhcp stuff from a 10.42.0.1 (iirc) IP wich is a class a private network, and there is no such thing coming from the ISP dhcp server nor any other ISP server 10:23 < morfic-> i dont use inetd 10:23 < morfic-> i run daemons i need and nothing else 10:24 < morfic-> the only thing i could run over (x)inetd would be thttpd, everything else is pretty much constantly in use from work anyway 10:24 < Snafu> well you usually need to open dhcp to network 10 on roadrunner etc ... so that it can chat with their dhcp servers .. 10:24 < morfic-> are you shitting me? i have roadrunner :) 10:24 < Snafu> of you dont your lease will expire and you get dumped .. 10:24 < morfic-> wth would dhcp come on 10.x.x.x? 10:25 < Snafu> roadrunner uses 10... for their internal network ,, 10:25 < morfic-> and why is it that i can idle for 2 1/2 days fine and then i create traffic through box and 5-6 hours later im dead again 10:26 < Snafu> so ya run iptraf and watch where its comming from .. and open a hole for tcp/udp for those ports to that subnet .. perhapsd the whole B it comes from and be done with it 10:26 < morfic-> Snafu: help me grasp this, if roadrunner uses the 10... for internal network then why are all ips i see on a tracert 66.25.x.x till they become 24.28.x.x 10:26 < Snafu> if you dont normal "are you there?" will fail and they will drop you 10:27 < morfic-> well its worth a shot 10:27 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 10:27 < Snafu> Morf their auth servers have no real IPs tho .. good idea too its a naturall firewall isnt it ? 10:28 < morfic-> its iptables 10:28 < Snafu> iptables ipchains ipfwadm thats all just syntax 10:28 < morfic-> so i should be save opening up 67 (68?) (wish id ever remember) from that one 10.x.x.x ip and be done with it 10:28 < nyophirdo> ive tried turning off some services and ill be watching for those python scripts in the future 10:29 < morfic-> Snafu: im just wondering about what "natuall" means to you ther e;P 10:29 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 10:29 < nyophirdo> tnx for all the tips on how i can better monitor the ltsp machine 10:29 < Snafu> Fubar:/files# grep boot /etc/services 10:29 < Snafu> bootps 67/tcp # BOOTP server 10:29 < Snafu> bootps 67/udp 10:29 < Snafu> bootpc 68/tcp # BOOTP client 10:29 < Snafu> bootpc 68/udp 10:29 < nyophirdo> tnx morfic and Snafu and david and the rest 10:29 < Snafu> yeah those .. 10:29 < morfic-> Snafu: anyway ill check my log for those and allow them from that IP 10:30 < morfic-> hm should go home early today and do that ;P 10:30 < Snafu> iptraf is your friend ... 10:30 < morfic-> well it comes out in logs as dropped, i asked where its coming from and was told "oh you can forget about it" 10:31 < Snafu> i can garranty you if you close dhcp to so roadrunner cant talk to your dhcpcd daemon your ass will timeout and get dumped 10:32 < Snafu> but since rr used network 10 for their auth servers at least you dont need to open to @world .. 10:33 < Snafu> just be glad that linux dhcpcd is smart enough to request the same ip it had last time ... 10:33 < morfic-> im not using dhcpd is what i tried to convey 10:34 < morfic-> im using a static IP, forcing an IP has worked merily in fbsd for over a year 10:34 < morfic-> and for another year before that 10:35 < Snafu> so you are not running dhcpcd at boot ? 10:37 < morfic-> nosir 10:38 < Snafu> "" well it comes out in logs as dropped" 10:38 < Snafu> dropped what 10:39 < morfic-> 10.x.x.x on p67 to p68 on my machine iirc should be that order of ports 10:40 < Snafu> yeah for udp/tcp 10:40 < Snafu> so thats 4 lines 10:40 < morfic-> opening those ports is gonna take one adding 67/68 to tcp and udp, the script will add the 4 lines to iptables 10:41 < Snafu> Fubar:~$ ssh cs2417449-45.houston.rr.com 10:42 < morfic-> i give it a shot, although the symptoms just dont appear like being dropped due to expired lease 10:42 < morfic-> i hope you are right 10:42 < morfic-> im just going to be "damn ???" if that fixes it 10:43 < Snafu> even with a fixed ip dont you still have to get it via dhcp on rr's network ? 10:43 < morfic-> ill add the IP to allowed IPs for testing 10:43 < morfic-> then worry about allowing that ip and set of ports 10:44 -!- lupo__ [lupo@pD9542B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:44 < morfic-> at least i have one more thing to try 10:45 < morfic-> the difference in lengths of time before i lose connection makes me wonder if this really makes sense, or if it does...how 10:46 < Snafu> well it would be their timer loops not yours eh ? 10:46 < Snafu> coffee brb 10:47 < morfic-> i mean losing connection after X number of packets seems more like it the less traffic i produce the longer i stay connected 10:50 < morfic-> well thanks well written AI, maybe you made my day 10:51 < Snafu> Perhaps 10:52 * Snafu squrms at the idea of being coded in lisp .. 10:53 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:53 < Snafu> The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive. -- Thomas Sowell 10:54 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 10:55 -!- lupo__ [lupo@p5085F128.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 10:55 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 10:55 -!- madctrl [~btd@h135n2fls35o1011.telia.com] has quit ["Klienten avslutas"] 10:56 < ebb> i guess there no cheap terminals you can buy 10:57 < Snafu> 486's are not cheap ? er even p233 are scrap 10:57 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 10:57 < Snafu> or any box below 500mhz ... wait even duron 1gighz boxes are scrap now 10:58 < ebb> im looking for around 20$ 10:58 < Snafu> heh you can get old sun boxes off ebay for 20$ 10:58 < Snafu> and they have network boot built in ! 10:58 < ebb> how big are they ? 10:59 < Snafu> depends .. ipx/ipc lunchboxes ss 2-10-20 pizzabox style etc 10:59 < carlos-da-man> Snafu hey I have many p200`s! -her her babies, dont listen to the ugly man ;) 10:59 < Snafu> but are not old p133's going for scrap ? 11:00 < project9_> carlos:hi how r u 11:00 < carlos-da-man> hi guys 11:00 < Snafu> Carlos im still running 486's p200's and ppro smp machines 11:00 < Snafu> and my 40 mhz sun aint no speed champ 11:00 < carlos-da-man> seen my cool picture? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es/ ..thats a pic of one of my beloved p200 8) 11:01 < Snafu> my sgi box just as old is a hi end ( cost 35,000$ new ) mips 250mhz w 2m cache its a 64bit screamer tho ;=) 11:01 < ebb> hmm still a bit on large size 11:02 < ebb> i wish those linux in a box where cheaper 11:02 < ebb> they are tiny 11:03 < Snafu> the bad part about old pcs you can get for minus 5 dollars ( they pay you to haul em away ) is that they dont feel em worth posting on ebay or other adverts ... 11:03 < Snafu> so the best thing to do is become known as the " he wants your old PC's " guy 11:04 < ebb> any of u in uk ? 11:04 < Snafu> ebb the mini-itx boxes are quite sexy ... 11:04 < ebb> lol you to i thought i was the only one lol 11:05 < project9_> what is a .....SVGA :16bpp not supported for this chipset error is 11:05 < Snafu> cool running fanless machines of 100mhz or more rock 11:05 < Snafu> proj laptop ? 11:06 < ebb> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3429472151&category=3717&rd=1 is what im hoping to get for cheap 11:07 < Snafu> there are old chips sets that are indeed maxed out at 256 colors 11:07 < project9_> snafu:hi 11:07 -!- oh207 [~oh207@24-90-113-253.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 11:10 < Snafu> "It is pitch black, you might be eaten by a slavering grue." 11:11 < project9_> snafu:i had problem with displany card /setting i am getting this error 11:11 < project9_> what is a .....SVGA :16bpp not supported for this chipset error 11:12 < Snafu> there are old chips sets that are indeed maxed out at 256 colors 11:13 -!- mfdutra- [Deuso@ACC12443.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ltsp 11:13 < project9_> i am using sis 6215 card 11:15 < Snafu> i know nothing about that card .. some need more "stuff" in the XFree86config ... 11:16 < project9_> pls guide me 11:16 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@210.23.248.37] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:17 < project9_> workaround 11:17 < Snafu> less /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/Status 11:19 < Snafu> its not even listed there sure that isnt a cirrus card ? 11:21 < Snafu> also you should try running XFree86 instead of SVGA 11:21 < Snafu> cause it has drivers for newer stuff 11:26 < Snafu> I think I am better than the people who are trying to reform me. 11:26 < Snafu> -- E.W. Howe 11:26 < project9_> snafu:which pkg should i install for this ltsp_x336_svga ? or other if ltsp_x336 ? what mode should be used 11:28 < ebb> hmmm maybe i should learn how to make motherboards 11:28 < ebb> lol 11:30 < Snafu> thats another way redcrap sux ... so many bitty rpms in a big pile the user never learns what is for what or does what 11:30 < Snafu> he should have known that XFree86 = the 4.x X11 pkg ... 11:32 < Snafu> if i was god i would force all noobs into slackware .. and make em stay till they learn a minimal set of what things are and what they do and why there are there and where they go .. 11:33 < david> The other day Jim mentioned that the 4.3.0 video driver for the Jammin 125 doesn't work, and that this is holding up the 4.3.0 release for LTSP. Can anyone refresh my memory about the details of this problem? 11:33 < Snafu> redcrap fosters a life time of helplessness and ignorance 11:33 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-173-78.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 11:34 < Snafu> David that statement sounds rather full of all the details .. you need to know the exact appearance of the smoking chips ? 11:35 < david> Snafu: which driver in 4.3.0 is the problem? 11:35 < Snafu> heh you dont know what chipset it uses ? 11:35 < ebb> hmmm slackware my first and only linux 11:36 < Snafu> ebb yeah ... after you learn ... you find little reason to leave ;=) 11:36 < ebb> does it every crash ? 11:36 < Snafu> "it" ? 11:36 < david> Snafu: No, I csr 11:37 < ebb> i learned the cmd line stuff but i got dropline so i can clicky clicky 11:38 < Snafu> at least slack teaches you enough about how linux works ( with it simplicity making it so easy to learn ) that you no longer look at linux kernel and userspace as identified as any distro that is only bundling and packaging .. 11:38 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 11:41 < ebb> hmmm i wonder if i could recase a laptop and connect to screen for terminal 11:42 < ebb> that would be good nice small terminal 11:44 < Snafu> i use a compaq 5300 ( dirt cheap on ebay ) for a coffe table terminal over wifi ... 11:44 < Snafu> before that i used my old sony Mips 3000 machine 11:44 < Snafu> http://www.nop.org/misc/unix/sony/news-3250.jpg 11:45 -!- mfdutra- [Deuso@ACC12443.ipt.aol.com] has quit [":"] 11:45 < Snafu> runs the original 1991 port of sysV4 to mips ... 11:46 < Snafu> http://www.nop.org/misc/unix/sony/sony.unix.announcement.html 11:46 < Snafu> FOR RELEASE TUESDAY, APRIL 9, 1991 11:46 < Snafu> UNIX System V available on MIPS RISC microprocessor 11:46 < Snafu> SUMMIT, N.J. - UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. (USL), today announced plans to make its 11:46 < Snafu> UNIX* System V operating system technology available on the MIPS RISC* microprocessor. 11:46 < Snafu> The first MIPS reference platform will be the Sony 11:46 < Snafu> Microsystems NEWS* 3200 Series Laptop workstation. 11:47 < Snafu> ... heh and it includes every hole and bug ever discoverd since 1991 also ... ;=) 11:48 < ebb> heh looks good 11:49 < Snafu> its only a 20mhz mips 3k risc tho ... the compaq 5300 with its p133 is a bit faster ;=) 11:49 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 11:49 < Snafu> but for 1991 when it came out ... it was a smokin 12,000 $ machine 12:20 -!- morfic_ [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #ltsp 12:21 < nelius> is somebody out there who can help my with compiling lbe 12:26 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:26 -!- ragnar__ is now known as ragnar 12:34 < xnyx> well, it appears that my problem with PXE is that the workstations are too old, or dont support it at all 12:37 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-174-248.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 12:42 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 12:45 -!- xnyx [~xnyx@c-66-94-biz2.mts.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:50 -!- morfic_ is now known as morfic 13:10 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:19 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 13:21 -!- congrio [congrio@231.Red-80-35-81.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 13:29 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:31 < nelius> bye 13:31 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A87D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:33 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 13:33 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:33 -!- pr0m_ [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 13:36 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 13:36 < carlos-da-man> hi all 13:43 < morfic> hi carlos-da-man 13:48 < carlos-da-man> sup morfic 13:50 < carlos-da-man> I got an X cant start sith KDM, last nite Jim convinced me to leave GDM but once I have made the trade, a few production hours proved him wrong, I might have another problem 13:57 < morfic> long time no touchy touchy in kdmrc 13:57 < morfic> if you look through the scripts its easy 13:57 < morfic> what distrop do you use? 13:58 < morfic> join distro specific channels and have them help you get kdm up 13:58 < morfic> and set [xdmcp] enable=true 14:00 -!- congrio [congrio@231.Red-80-35-81.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 14:01 < carlos-da-man> mdk 9.1 14:02 < carlos-da-man> [Xdmcp] 14:02 < carlos-da-man> Enable=true 14:02 < carlos-da-man> KeyFile=/etc/X11/xdm/xdm-keys 14:02 < carlos-da-man> Willing= 14:02 < carlos-da-man> Xaccess=/etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess 14:04 < jammcq> carlos-da-man: so, why don't you tell us the problem you are having ? 14:08 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 14:09 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 14:11 < carlos-da-man> hi jammcq; well I just rebooted again, is there a log somewhere I should look at? 14:11 < jammcq> what is the problem ? 14:11 < carlos-da-man> X will not start, I fix it by rebooting the server and everythign goes back to normal, even in current KDM 8( 14:12 < carlos-da-man> on the ws of course 14:12 < jammcq> what error do you get on the client ? 14:12 < carlos-da-man> X respawning continously until it show the text reporting that X was unable to start, on GDM it was different, ws would just halt in a black screen 14:13 < jammcq> is your workstation listed in /etc/hosts ? 14:13 < jammcq> but, the 'X was unable to start', there MUST be a better message, explaining why 14:14 < carlos-da-man> jammcq a teacher in my spanish forum asked if he can monitor students screen from another terminalm what should I say? 14:14 < jammcq> there has been some work with vnc and x0rfbserver, but i've never tried either one 14:14 < carlos-da-man> jammcq Ill write down the message next time it happens, I rebooted the server ASAP because I had ppl waiting ;) 14:17 < carlos-da-man> could I have a log on what could have happened to the workstations in the server? 14:18 < jammcq> well, take a look at /var/log/messages 14:25 < jammcq> I have to run out for a few minutes 14:28 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-174-248.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:32 < carlos-da-man> is there a screensaver in IceWM? 8/ 14:40 -!- mine [~cmb@102.Red-213-97-140.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 14:43 -!- mine [~cmb@102.Red-213-97-140.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #ltsp ["Terminando cliente"] 14:47 -!- rjune [~rjune@165.139.175.124] has joined #ltsp 14:47 < rjune> 'lo all 14:48 < rjune> anybody play with the DWL-520+ wireless NIC 14:52 < carlos-da-man> good question, is there a proven wireless nic? 14:59 < morfic> carlos-da-man: ask meta for a link to such a monitoring app, i never used it, i know MetaCosm has at least a link to it 15:08 < MetaCosm> carlos-da-man: yes, you can 15:09 < carlos-da-man> MetaCosm yes I can what? 15:09 < MetaCosm> I wrote an application called "teacher-tool" to allow 'sharing' the teachers desktop to ALL students, taking over students computers or viewing them, and killing/watching the processes on the students computers 15:09 < MetaCosm> just a very simple little python application with some external dependancies 15:09 < carlos-da-man> MetaCosm awesome! where is it? 15:09 < MetaCosm> I can send it to you 15:10 < MetaCosm> you will have to tweak it most likely 15:12 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit ["Give me liberty or give me something of equal or lesser value from your glossy 32 page catalog."] 15:13 < rjune> carlos-da-man: evidently it's the particular model. I wnated the 520, not the 520+ 15:14 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 15:14 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 15:16 < carlos-da-man> MetaCosm please sent it to me to cucnews@yahoo.com 15:17 < carlos-da-man> I had to relogin because I deleted .* 15:19 -!- ragnar_ [~ragnar@ti221110a080-3789.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 15:22 < MetaCosm> carlos-da-man: sent.... hope it is useful 15:22 < carlos-da-man> MetaCosm thanks 15:23 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:26 -!- ragnar_ [~ragnar@ti221110a080-3789.bb.online.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:27 -!- rjune [~rjune@165.139.175.124] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:31 -!- ayanami is now known as Lumiere 15:33 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 15:34 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A87D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ltsp 15:36 < nelius> I've a problem with compiling lbe. there is a undeclared funktion called yytext_ptr in lex.l when the build_all script is compiling modutils 15:36 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:49 -!- blue71 [~qq@212.253.34.187] has joined #ltsp 15:49 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 15:50 < blue71> hi all. I want to learn something.. Can I run every program in ltsp client that my server have ?? 15:52 < nelius> yes, in princible u can, but there are limitations in video and audio 15:53 < Federico2> bye 15:53 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:53 < blue71> realy... ?? it is vey good news :-) 15:53 < blue71> I dont need any audio... 15:53 < blue71> all my client has same hardware.. 15:54 < blue71> whats the limitations in Video ?? 15:54 < nelius> u have limitations if u want to watch movies on ure client but thats the only limitaton i know 15:54 < nelius> that means i can whatch them only 200x160 or so 15:57 < nelius> but if you have good clents, you can run such applications as local apps, and than this will also work i guess 16:00 < blue71> ok.. no problem... 16:00 < blue71> I never watvh movie... 16:00 < blue71> :-) thx nelius :-) 16:01 < nelius> u re welcome 16:11 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A87D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:12 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-49.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:17 -!- morfic- [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:19 -!- blue71 [~qq@212.253.34.187] has quit [" «®» Dragon Script 3.1 «®» ßY « RoMaNTiK » Mutlaka Alýn===> http://WwW.SaMiCiK.Co"] 16:27 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:32 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-172-129.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 16:35 -!- codebreaker [~codebreak@p5083D332.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 16:36 < codebreaker> is there a docu online availabe how to build ltsp complete from sources ? 16:39 < david> codebreaker: the lbe (ltsp build environment) does that, but until it's out of beta it's tough to build. 16:42 < codebreaker> david: i would like to completely repack /new pack ltsp for debian so it would be nice to have an documentation therefore 16:43 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:45 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-172-129.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:47 < david> codebreaker: LTSP uses standard UNIX services (dhcp, tftp, remote X, remote syslog, nfs) to boot a custom kernel. 16:47 < david> codebreaker: All the install scripts to is set that up, put the custom kernel in /tftpboot/lts/, and the custom root filesystem in /opt/ltsp/i386. 16:48 < david> s/ install scripts to is/ install scripts DO is/ 16:51 < david> Does anyone recall why we can't get X 4.3 running on the LTSP workstations? The other day, Jim said it was a problem with the Jammin drivers, but I'm hoping for more details. 16:52 < david> I've run into a problem machine; I can't get X to run except with 4.3. 16:56 < david> Anyone? 17:04 -!- codebreaker [~codebreak@p5083D332.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp ["ltsp"] 17:14 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DCF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 17:15 < zeus> Kernel Panic: VFS: Unabel to mount root fs on 01:00 17:15 < zeus> any idea ? 17:17 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 17:17 < carlos-da-man> hi guys 17:17 < zeus> hi 17:21 < zeus> I can display the screen of one or more terminals on my screen ? 17:24 < carlos-da-man> MetaCosm just gave me this script, have not seen it yet geocities.com/cucnews/teachertool.html 17:25 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 17:41 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:42 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:42 -!- morfic_ is now known as morfic 17:44 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-170-185.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 17:53 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip9-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 17:54 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 17:54 < carlos-da-man> why do I see no users logged in, now that I changed from GDM to KDM? 17:54 < carlos-da-man> last worked fine and dandy but reports nothing with KDM 17:55 < carlos-da-man> I feel like Im in windows again ;P 17:56 -!- kinz [~kinz@h006097672564.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 18:09 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-170-185.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 18:13 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 18:18 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:20 -!- kinz [~kinz@h006097672564.ne.client2.attbi.com] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 18:25 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:33 < carlos-da-man> why do I see no users logged in, now that I changed from GDM to KDM? 18:33 < carlos-da-man> last worked fine and dandy but reports nothing with KDM 18:33 < carlos-da-man> I feel like Im in windows again ;P 18:50 < carlos-da-man> why do I see no users logged in, now that I changed from GDM to KDM? 18:50 < carlos-da-man> last worked fine and dandy but reports nothing with KDM 18:50 < carlos-da-man> I feel like Im in windows again ;P 19:06 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 19:14 < jammcq> carlos-da-man: are you having trouble with KDM ? 19:18 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-160-15.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 19:22 -!- trancefx [bibhqa@h-66-167-211-60.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:38 < carlos-da-man> jammcq for starters I see no logged in users with LAST, I use it on a minutelly basis, as for the dead XDMCP not yet, Im waiting for it to die to try to find you at the same time, maybe we can find out whats killing X all of a sudden 19:45 < carlos-da-man> is it possible for a ws to SWAP on a local hard drive? 19:50 -!- monkeydiver [~deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 19:58 -!- efv3|aWY [~Thomas@pD9E1DBEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 20:00 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:01 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 20:04 -!- efv3|aWY [~Thomas@pD9E1DBEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 20:05 < david> Hello, Jim. 20:05 < david> carlos-da-man: Yes, local swap is possible. It may take some tinkering, though. 20:08 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-160-15.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 20:09 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 20:10 < carlos-da-man> thanks david, found it here http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=104517295817053&w=2 20:11 < jammcq> hey david 20:11 < david> Jim, do you have an ETA for X 4.3? I've got a ws with an NV5 that's giving me fits with the current setup, but it works with 4.3.0-2 if I use the vesa driver. 20:11 < david> Hey, Jim. How are you? 20:11 < jammcq> good 20:12 < jammcq> just working on building a 2.4.22 kernel with nfs-swap 20:12 < jammcq> hmm, I dunno about X4.3, I suppose it's time to suck down a cvs snapshot of xfree86 4.3.x, and see if it works with the mediagx chipset 20:12 < david> I didn't get a thing done on the docs over the weekend. 20:13 < jammcq> me neither 20:14 < david> What's involved in trying the cvs of X (ltsp-specific stuff)? 20:14 < david> I've blown most of the day on this ^&*%$ thing. 20:15 < david> Nothing but 4.3.0-2 vesa works on this thing. The folks on #nvidia suggested I try NVidia's driver, which requires a custom kernel module; I'm still trying to hack 20:16 < david> their install script to get it to build for the LTSP kernel (it only wants to build it for the machine it's running on). 20:16 < david> sorry, it only wants to build it for the machine it's BUILDING on. 20:17 < jammcq> hmm 20:18 < jammcq> which module is it ? 20:18 < jammcq> I see in 2.4.22, there's some additional support for nvidia 20:20 < david> nv_kernel.o 20:20 -!- ldog [~ldog@204.126.172.10] has joined #ltsp 20:20 < jammcq> hmm, dunno, I just saw a prompt when I ran: make oldconfig 20:20 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: kVanQue 20:20 < david> There are two parts to the driver, a kernel module and a pre-compiled binary. 20:21 < david> One of the guys on #nvidia suggested that the closed-source driver had better support for the latest boards and for the 3D functions, but that the nv driver (built into XFree86) was better at 2d. 20:22 < david> What's the latest lbe? 20:22 < jammcq> beta1 20:23 < jammcq> but the cvs snapshot is much newer than beta1 20:23 -!- kVanQue [~kvanque@2001:1448:80:1e:0:0:0:1] has joined #ltsp 20:28 -!- lucas [lucas@202-45-126-237.stabat.com] has joined #ltsp 20:29 < lucas> hi all, hey i've run the installer script for ltsp-4 installing ltsp_core, ltsp_x_core and ltsp_x_addtl_fonts but it doesn't seem to have downloaded a kernel image... 20:29 < lucas> do i need to get this from ltsp-3? 20:30 < jammcq> yes, the kernels still come from ltsp-3 20:30 < lucas> thanks jammcq 20:32 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:32 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:33 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 20:53 -!- ldog [~ldog@204.126.172.10] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 21:00 < jammcq> :) 21:00 < jammcq> my new 2.4.22 kernel with nfs-swap patch seems to work :) 21:00 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 21:01 < lucas> you go james! 21:01 < jammcq> i'm running a virtual thin client via vmware with 8mb of ram and 32mb of nfs-swap, and it seems to be running ok 21:03 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away 21:03 -!- bjohnson|away is now known as bjohnson 21:03 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 21:08 -!- lemon [~vincentin@dialup12.vcn.bc.ca] has joined #ltsp 21:10 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:10 < lemon> hi everyone 21:11 < lemon> I copy the config file in ltsp_initrd_kit to /usr/src/linux 21:11 < lemon> then compile the kernel, everything seems fine 21:12 < lemon> but when I boot the workstation, it says can not find ramdisk 21:12 < jammcq> ok, did you use my buildk script ? 21:13 < lemon> i use your script, but when i boot, it says the nbi format, and some bad argument 21:13 < jammcq> are yuo using etherboot ? 21:13 < david> In the great green room.... 21:14 < lemon> then I download the mknbi utility , use mkelf-linux 21:14 < david> There was a telephone, and a red balloon, 21:14 < jammcq> why are you using 'mkelf-linux' ? 21:14 < david> and a picture of the cow jumping over the moon... 21:14 -!- david [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 21:14 < jammcq> the buildk script takes care of running 'mknbi-linux' 21:14 < jammcq> assuming you have mknbi-linux installed 21:15 < lemon> i installed mknbi-linux 21:16 < lemon> but when i use buildk, in the end, it says "note:elf, or fisrt32pm prefered ..." 21:16 < jammcq> are you using etherboot ? 21:17 < lemon> i did install etherboot on ltsp server 21:17 < lemon> did not install etherboot 21:17 < jammcq> ARE YOU USING ETHERBOOT on the client ? 21:17 < jammcq> how are you booting the client ? 21:18 < lemon> the floppy i boot my workstation is someone give me 21:18 < jammcq> what is on the floppy ? 21:18 < lemon> yes, i think it is useing etherboot5.2, something like that 21:19 < jammcq> when you figure it out, lemme know 21:19 < lemon> when i boot the workstation, it start from floppy, the first message shows that it is using etherboot.. 21:20 < jammcq> what version ? 21:20 < lemon> 5.2 21:20 < jammcq> and what version of mknbi-linux did you install ? 21:21 < lemon> over 1.12, i am not sure, because i can not check it right now 21:23 < lucas> hey jammcq, the ltsp_kernel rpm requires ltsp_core 3.0.0, but i have v4, do i just grab the tgz and install it manually? 21:23 < jammcq> lucas: yeah, use the tgz file 21:23 < lucas> cheers 21:23 < jammcq> lemon: 'over 1.12' ? I don't know of that version. it should be 1.4 something 21:23 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 21:27 < lemon> jammcq, the mknbi is 1.2 21:28 < jammcq> lemon: that is too old for Etherboot 5.2 21:28 < jammcq> go to the etherboot website and grab 1.4 21:30 < lemon> ok, if i have 1.4, is there some tips i should take care 21:30 < jammcq> yeah, install it and run buildk 21:30 -!- jond3rd [~jon@202.8.246.83] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:30 < lemon> for example, how i should let client know where it should find the basic root 21:31 < lemon> because when i use mknbi, it seems can not find my root file neither 21:31 < jammcq> the buildk will set it to use the initrd, then the /linuxrc script will change the root to be whatever you have set in root-path 21:31 -!- jond3rd [~jon@202.8.246.83] has joined #ltsp 21:32 < lemon> where to set the root-path, i am a little comfused, my nfs export /opt/ltsp/i386, or /tftpboot/lts/... 21:33 < jammcq> in the dhcpd.conf file. Have you ever setup LTSP before ? 21:34 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 21:34 < lemon> oh, yeah, i see a global parameter root-path: ltsp_ip:/opt/ltsp/i386, is this right? 21:34 < zeus> good night :) 21:35 < jammcq> yes. have you ever setup ltsp before ? 21:35 < lemon> I tried once on redhat, everything is packaged, not much detail configuration 21:36 < jammcq> why are you building your own kernel ? 21:36 < lemon> there is a weird problem when i use the downloaded kernel 21:36 -!- zeus [~user@200.89.52.143] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:37 < lemon> because the kernel load the nic driver as module, after it loaded the nic driver module, dhclient start runnning 21:37 < lemon> then, something says no dhcpd-eth0.info... 21:37 < jammcq> yes, that's what it is supposed to do 21:38 < jammcq> oh 21:38 < jammcq> didn't see the error 21:38 < jammcq> what kind of NIC ? 21:38 < lemon> tulip 21:38 < lemon> so i compile it in the raw kernel image, it will not run the dhclient again, right? 21:39 < jammcq> well, it will if you use buildk and the initrd image. 21:40 < jammcq> if you want a statically linked kernel, you need to turn on IP-Autoconfig 21:40 < jammcq> and NFS-Root 21:40 < jammcq> and then pass some additional parameters when running mknbi 21:40 < jammcq> but the problem is not with dhclient, the problem is likely with the tulip driver 21:40 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 21:40 < jammcq> and it won't matter if you use a module or a static link, it is still the same driver 21:42 < lemon> you think it is tulip driver problem?, the nic is on board 21:42 < jammcq> if dhclient isn't able to get it's dhcpd-eth0.info file, then the NIC is failing for some reason. It's not dhclients fault 21:43 < lemon> i thought it should not be dhcp problem, because if it is, the workstation will not start in the beginning,right? 21:44 < jammcq> right 21:44 < jammcq> that's why I say it is a tulip driver problem. 21:45 < lemon> but i have same workstation running on debian, i saw the driver is tulip 21:46 -!- trancefx [gffaln@h-66-167-41-178.SFLDMIDN.covad.net] has joined #ltsp 21:47 < lemon> thank you a lot, jammcq, i think i get more clear idea... 21:47 < jammcq> sure, good luck 21:48 -!- lemon [~vincentin@dialup12.vcn.bc.ca] has left #ltsp [] 21:53 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:12 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #ltsp 22:24 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:43 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["2.6.0-test5"] 22:47 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 22:49 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:50 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 22:56 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["2.6.0-test5 OSS for now"] 22:56 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 23:01 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:15 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:18 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 23:28 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 23:28 < keyur> hi 23:29 < keyur> one of my user get speed after reinstalling open office 1.1 23:31 -!- bjohnson is now known as bjohnson|away 23:40 -!- bjohnson|away [~bjohnson@ip9-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:40 -!- jagman2 [cs@203.130.216.73] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:51 -!- ragnar_ [~ragnar@193.156.199.2] has joined #ltsp --- Day changed Tue Sep 09 2003 00:09 -!- monkeydiver [~deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Gone diving in code/network"] 00:48 -!- manimay__ [~mani@pD9E63744.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 01:06 -!- manimay_ [~mani@p50808F0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:06 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A8C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ltsp 01:37 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 02:00 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 02:00 -!- jlnt [~jlnt@x1-6-00-50-ba-56-55-bc.classicnet.net] has joined #ltsp 02:00 < jlnt> hey guys 02:00 < jlnt> couple of questions 02:01 < jlnt> what port does the windows terminal run on lol 02:01 < ragnar_> k 02:01 < ragnar_> no idea 02:01 < jlnt> hehe 02:01 < jlnt> dang 02:01 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 02:01 < jlnt> ok another question how can I install ltsp 02:02 < jlnt> is it apart of the mandrake cd's? 02:02 < ragnar_> jlnt: go read the docs on ltsp.org 02:04 < nelius> jeah, reading is allways a good idea 02:06 < jlnt> I got it 02:06 < jlnt> hehe 02:06 < jlnt> :-P 02:06 < jlnt> just lazy 02:07 < jond3rd> k12ltsp is the only distro that has ltsp by default, afaik 02:07 < jond3rd> if you can install linux, you can install ltsp 02:07 < jlnt> I got it installed 02:07 < ragnar_> jlnt: when you have *specific* questions you are of course welcome to ask them here :-) 02:07 < jlnt> well heres one for you 02:07 < ragnar_> jond3rd: hey, skolelinux does it too 02:07 < jlnt> which menu does it show up in 02:08 < ragnar_> jlnt: the one on the left 02:08 < jond3rd> ragnar_: really? haven't heard of that yet 02:08 < jlnt> LOL 02:08 -!- HiltonT_au [~HiltonT@dsl-109.129.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 02:09 < ragnar_> jond3rd: heh, so you're not Norwegian, then? 02:09 < jond3rd> ragnar_: no i'm not 02:11 < ragnar_> jond3rd: :-) 02:13 < jlnt> I can't find where to run ltsp from 02:18 < ragnar_> jlnt: you dont run ltsp as such 02:19 < jlnt> lol 02:19 < jlnt> what do you do then 02:19 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:19 < jlnt> I just want to connect to my windows 2k server 02:20 < ragnar_> it's a collection of services set up to boot and run the thin clients 02:20 < jond3rd> jlnt: if you will just READ the docs, you can run ltsp 02:20 < jlnt> I need to go to bed soon 02:20 < ragnar_> plus a separate tree for the root fs over nfs 02:20 < jlnt> so I am just trying to figure it out fast 02:20 < ragnar_> jlnt: look, you ask general questions, then you go to bed 02:21 < jlnt> hehe 02:21 < jond3rd> jlnt: just READ the docs then go to bed 02:21 < jlnt> that's a long doc 02:21 < jond3rd> jlnt: yeah, it will keep you from going to bed 02:21 < jlnt> lol its 2:22 in the morning 02:21 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 02:21 < jlnt> and I have to go to school tomorrow 02:21 < ragnar_> jlnt: it's a complicated system 02:22 < ragnar_> but it will run off any platform, as long as the services are there 02:22 < ragnar_> no problem running it off w2k if you want 02:23 < ragnar_> and can afford the nfs server 02:24 < jlnt> no I am trying to connect to my 2k advanced server 02:24 < jlnt> which as WTS 02:24 -!- HiltonT [~HiltonT@dsl-90.128.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:24 < ragnar_> jlnt: use rdesktop 02:25 < jlnt> ok 02:25 < jlnt> if I knew what port terminal services used 02:25 < jlnt> then I would 02:27 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:28 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has joined #ltsp 02:28 < Federico3> hi 02:30 < jlnt> hi 02:41 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 02:57 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 03:15 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 03:17 < jlnt> I found out the port 03:17 < jlnt> its 3389 03:56 < nelius> don't forget to go to school when it's time ... 03:56 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:14 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 04:15 -!- Yngwie [~root@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 04:35 -!- Yngwie [~root@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has left #ltsp [] 04:53 -!- loken [~fgh@193.201.74.2] has joined #ltsp 04:54 < loken> Why can't i boot from a dos rom? It works from diskette.. I have downloaded the right rom for dos(com)?? 04:54 < loken> 3c900 04:55 < loken> Error msg:top of ramdisk... 04:56 < loken> Ne1?? 05:00 < loken> Anything to do with nfs-swap? 05:17 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 05:35 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 05:52 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #ltsp 05:53 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 05:54 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 06:12 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-37.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 06:22 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 06:54 -!- f-z [~opengrace@202.155.150.178] has joined #ltsp 06:54 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:55 < ebb> hmmm 07:15 -!- kszwed [~swan8868@066.mel0810.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ltsp 07:16 -!- _Dan_ [~daniel@xdslc081.osnanet.de] has joined #ltsp 07:17 < _Dan_> Hiya's, anyone here running LTSP in conjunction with OpenMosix ? 07:17 < ebb> hmm dont know what that is 07:25 -!- fz- [~opengrace@202.155.150.178] has joined #ltsp 07:26 -!- fz- [~opengrace@202.155.150.178] has quit [Client Quit] 07:27 -!- f-z [~opengrace@202.155.150.178] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:33 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 07:43 -!- loken [~fgh@193.201.74.2] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:43 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has joined #ltsp 07:46 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-37.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ltsp ["Leaving"] 07:47 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-37.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 07:48 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:53 -!- zeus [~user@200.89.50.24] has joined #ltsp 07:58 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-167.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 08:07 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A8C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:21 -!- ragnar_ [~ragnar@193.156.199.2] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 08:22 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 08:23 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 08:37 < jammcq> ragnar: hey, you around ? 08:46 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 08:47 < zeus> hi! 08:47 < zeus> hi jammcq 08:47 < zeus> :) 08:48 < jammcq> mornin' zeus 09:00 < _Dan_> Anyone around with LTSP/OpenMosix experience now ? :) 09:00 < jammcq> not me 09:09 < ebb> how many proccessors can they fit in servers these days ? 09:09 < ebb> commersial available ones i mean 09:27 < Damascene> what kind of servers? 09:27 < Damascene> x86? 09:27 < Damascene> or sun? 09:28 < Damascene> or the other guys? 09:28 < Damascene> for x86, quads are the high end. there are some mutant clusters of course, but usually duals or quads for x86. 09:31 < ebb> heh 09:31 < ebb> sry thought no one was here 09:32 < ebb> thnx for arnswe 09:32 < ebb> r 09:48 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:49 -!- greendisease [~jack@128.238.241.238] has joined #ltsp 09:51 -!- greendisease [~jack@128.238.241.238] has quit [Client Quit] 09:52 -!- greendisease [~jack@128.238.241.238] has joined #ltsp 09:57 < ragnar> jammcq: now i am 09:57 < jammcq> hey 09:57 < ragnar> yo 09:57 < jammcq> I got 2.4.22 to build and work, WITH the nfs-swap patch :) 09:58 < ragnar> great! right off or struggle? 09:58 < jammcq> the nfs-swap patch was a little bit of work, but i've seen worse :) 09:58 < jammcq> I figured out the problem with the crc thing that you saw 09:58 < ragnar> ok, what wasd it? 09:59 < jammcq> there's a new module that needs to be copied to the initrd, crc_??.o, I don't recall the exact name 09:59 < ragnar> ah, so a change in the builk script? 09:59 < ragnar> buildk 09:59 < jammcq> but I modified the buildk script to copy the kernel/libs directory, which contains a couple of new modules 10:00 < ragnar> right 10:00 < ragnar> did you release a new kernel? 10:00 < ragnar> there's been a few requests for lpp, is there a patch for 2.4.22? 10:01 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-167.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:01 < jammcq> not yet 10:01 < jammcq> i'm gonna add proper support for PXE with this new kernel pkg 10:01 < ragnar> ok, so no more separate kernels? 10:02 < jammcq> yeah, hopefully 10:02 < jammcq> since the modules are the same anyway 10:02 < ragnar> that sounds like a BIG step forward. 10:02 < jammcq> yeah, we're seeing lots more PXE workstations and I want them to work as easily as Etherboot workstations 10:02 < ragnar> mch easier to maintain for us who maintain packages at least 10:03 < ragnar> Skolelinux has standardized on PXE 10:03 < jammcq> one of the things I want to look at is this: The etherboot-ready kernel is tagged with mknbi, and has the kernel tacked on the end 10:03 < ragnar> floppy or rom is supported of course 10:03 < ragnar> yes 10:03 < jammcq> I want to see if I can write a real simple perl script to just un-tag the kernel and initrd 10:04 < jammcq> so that I don't have to include both a tagged and un-tagged kernel in the package 10:04 < ragnar> ok, and decide at dhcp request time which is the right one? 10:05 < ragnar> you'll still need one of each, right? 10:05 < jammcq> no, actually, at kernel installation time, I'll extract the kernel and initrd from the tagged kernel 10:05 < jammcq> so, sitting in /tftpboot/lts, will be both 10:06 < jammcq> it will simply allow the tarball and rpm to be smaller 10:07 < ragnar> umm, i saw code in dhcpd.conf once that could decide if the request was pxe or not, and could deliver the right kernel 10:09 < ragnar> you're not devising a way to have both etherboot and pxe use the same kernel? 10:09 -!- greendisease [~jack@128.238.241.238] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:09 < jammcq> no, can't do that 10:09 < ragnar> thought so. 10:09 < jammcq> but, I do like the idea of having conditional code in dhcpd.conf, to pick the right kernel, based on vendor-id 10:10 < ragnar> having a single kernel package will be very nice 10:10 < ragnar> yes, that code is good, but i think you need v3 of dhcpd to make it work 10:10 < jammcq> yes, you do 10:11 < jammcq> but, for those without v3, they can simply use the older method of having the appropriate 'filename' entry 10:12 < jammcq> one problem with having the conditional code tho: when I help people troubleshoot their booting problems, one thing I like to do is have them do this: grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf 10:12 < ragnar> yesm that's worked fine for a loing time :-) 10:12 < jammcq> that won't yeild useful info if we do the conditional stuff 10:12 < ragnar> true 10:13 < ragnar> you could put it in the example dehcpd.conf and just comment it out 10:13 -!- kszwed [~swan8868@066.mel0810.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit ["hup"] 10:13 < jammcq> yeah 10:13 < jammcq> I think it will work much better 10:13 < ragnar> we have a monster dhcpd.conf file and a lot of stuff is just comments to help people do different stuff 10:13 < jammcq> the only issue remaining is the lpp kernel 10:14 < jammcq> which I don't care for anyway :) 10:14 < ragnar> heh, the kids liek it :-) 10:15 < ragnar> heh, as we speak, i had i guy prod me on #skolelinux for the lpp patch :-) 10:15 < ragnar> slragnar: what about the lpp? 10:16 < ragnar> heh 10:17 -!- deego [~user@63.126.179.162] has joined #ltsp 10:17 < ragnar> jammcq: is there a big difference between the 4.2.99 X and 4.3? 10:17 -!- hilaire [~hilaire@cddp40.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ltsp 10:18 < hilaire> Hi 10:18 < jammcq> the big difference that I know of is that the 4.3.0 geode driver doesn't work on the Jammin-125 :( 10:18 < ragnar> jammcq: i sent hilaire here - he has some questions on X 10:18 < hilaire> Does anyone get thin client with intel 82845G based video chip get work with ltsp? 10:19 < ragnar> jammcq: you would worry about those jammins :-) 10:19 < hilaire> I tried with ltps-3.0 and I was out of luck, I just got a 640x480 8bits on LCD screen 10:19 < ragnar> i thought you pushed those new ones 10:22 < jammcq> hmm, I don't have a 82845 based system 10:24 < ragnar> hilaire: did you search on google? 10:25 < hilaire> ragnar: yes, it appears intel provide the necessary information to the community, so i guess it may be in Xfree4.3 series 10:26 < hilaire> Therefore I am willing to try to get Xfree4.3 workiong ofr thin client, however I am not sure how to get there 10:27 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:34 < hilaire> need to go home 10:34 < hilaire> bye 10:34 -!- hilaire [~hilaire@cddp40.net1.nerim.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:39 -!- _Dan_ [~daniel@xdslc081.osnanet.de] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:53 -!- lupo__ [lupo@p5085F128.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:55 -!- lupo__ [lupo@pD9E68256.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 10:56 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:05 -!- kVanQue [~kvanque@2001:1448:80:1e:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:06 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-2-124-243.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 11:06 < ldog> anyone know of a good menu editor for icewm ? 11:06 < jammcq> vi 11:07 < ldog> fine 11:07 < ldog> :) 11:08 < ldog> I need to show a teacher how to use it. I guess I'll show her in kate or gedit or something 11:14 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 11:15 < carlos-da-man> hi 11:17 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has joined #ltsp 11:20 < carlos-da-man> how can I check on the server that a workstation created a swap file? 11:22 -!- ldog [~ldog@ip68-2-124-243.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 11:28 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A8C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ltsp 11:28 < nelius> Hi Jam , are you around 11:30 < nelius> sorry, i meant Jim, are you around 11:31 -!- hilaire [hilaire@lns-th2-5f-81-56-227-203.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ltsp 11:32 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@210.23.248.33] has joined #ltsp 11:32 < nelius> Hi nyophirdo, have u solved your memory probs? 11:33 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-39-94.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 11:33 < nyophirdo> nelius : tnx for asking ... didnt go to work today .. not feeling well but so far ive tried to turn off some services that arent needed 11:34 < nyophirdo> nelius : i still have to figure out a way to terminate all apps executed by previously logged users 11:34 < carlos-da-man> I changed from GDM TO KDM and now I see wtmp is not getting updated, so last is not reporting anything 11:37 < nelius> nyophirdo: ps u showes you when a process was started 11:37 < carlos-da-man> what is the explanation you give a newbie about ltsp? 11:40 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has quit ["ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?"] 11:42 < nelius> nyophirdo: i remember that your topic was discussed in the list half a year ago, maby u can find it, they had a script for that i think 11:43 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 11:44 < nyophirdo> nelius : im thinking of creating a script that checks for logged users then terminates all processes not belonging to any of them 11:44 < nyophirdo> nelius : of course i still have to get to the root of the problem as to why this apps exist when they normally shouldve died with the user log out 11:46 < nelius> nyophirdo: well, a problem could be, that users want to have processes running after they logged out... 11:46 < nelius> but exactly such a scrpt was discussed in the list 11:47 < Federico2> hi 11:47 < nelius> ls 12:00 < carlos-da-man> USE_NFS_SWAP = Y 12:00 < carlos-da-man> SWAPFILE_SIZE = 16M 12:00 < carlos-da-man> gives me an 'invalid number 16M',whats up with that? 12:03 < nyophirdo> nelius : sorry wasnt able to answer (took a quick shower) but w/ the memory problems were facing i dont think i can tolerate that 12:03 < nyophirdo> nelius : at least not at the moment 12:06 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-39-94.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:08 < nelius> carlos: have u tried an lowercase m ? 12:11 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:14 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@210.23.248.33] has quit ["its freakin hard 2 show every1 dat im doin juz fyn w/o u wen deep down insyd im not. and dat i have 2 smyl wen i can barely ho"] 12:14 -!- greendisease [~jack@128.238.9.160] has joined #ltsp 12:25 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DD94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 12:36 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DD94.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 12:40 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:41 -!- howto_lpr [~olger@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has joined #ltsp 12:43 < howto_lpr> hello 12:43 < howto_lpr> 12:45 < howto_lpr> hola 12:46 -!- howto_lpr [~olger@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:47 -!- howto_lpr [~olger@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has joined #ltsp 12:48 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A8C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ltsp [] 12:48 -!- howto_lpr [~olger@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:49 -!- howto_lpr [~olger@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has joined #ltsp 12:50 -!- howto_lpr [~olger@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:50 -!- howto_lpr [~olger@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has joined #ltsp 12:50 -!- howto_lpr [~olger@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:51 -!- howto_lpr [~olger@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has joined #ltsp 12:54 -!- howto_lpr [~olger@ingenipub211.ingenipub.unal.edu.co] has quit [Client Quit] 12:57 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 12:58 -!- greendisease [~jack@128.238.9.160] has quit ["Client exiting"] 13:05 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 13:30 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has joined #LTSP 13:40 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A8C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ltsp 13:45 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 13:49 -!- geo-r0x [soucomovc@200.216.172.72] has joined #LTSP 13:50 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@129.8.216.85] has joined #ltsp 14:10 -!- hilaire [hilaire@lns-th2-5f-81-56-227-203.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:12 -!- monkeydiver [lfesdail@ool-43517d01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 14:33 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 14:37 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 14:40 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@129.8.216.85] has quit ["Money talks, bullshit walks..."] 14:50 < Federico2> bye bye 14:50 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E3C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 14:50 < Snafu> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072061.html sco is smoking crack 14:50 < Snafu> the idea that anything written for unix cant be seperated from unix 14:54 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:55 < zeus> jammcq: are you there ? 15:01 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E3C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:07 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E3C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 15:18 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 14400 seconds] 15:19 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E3C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 15:22 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-160-077.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 15:33 < jammcq> mfdutra: hey 15:33 < jammcq> marlon ! 15:33 < jammcq> are you home now ? 15:37 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has quit ["ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?"] 15:42 < mfdutra> hey!!! 15:42 < mfdutra> i got home today!!!!!!! 15:42 < mfdutra> at last 15:42 < jammcq> that is a Looooooooong trip 15:43 < mfdutra> 25 hours 15:43 < jammcq> no, i mean since you left home back in august 15:43 < mfdutra> ahh sure 15:43 < mfdutra> 40 days 15:43 < jammcq> wow! 15:46 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 15:46 < carlos-da-man> hi guys 15:47 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:48 < mfdutra> jammcq: i enjoyed again a trip in a 777 15:48 < mfdutra> really good 15:49 < jammcq> oooh 15:49 < jammcq> i've heard it is nice 15:49 < jammcq> Northwest has a new AirBus 330 that I heard is also very nice 15:49 < mfdutra> yes, i've heard about that plane 15:49 < mfdutra> french 15:51 -!- kVanQue [~kvanque@2001:1448:80:1e:0:0:0:1] has joined #ltsp 16:07 -!- carlos_ [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 16:07 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:09 < zeus> jammcq: I have two documents about how enable the floppy on a LTSP, but are two differents ways, what document do you recommend ?http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/floppyd.html or http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/LTSP_FLOPPY.html 16:30 -!- logan_ [~logan@200.72.167.38] has joined #ltsp 16:30 -!- carlos_ [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:31 < logan_> hi 16:31 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 16:31 < carlos-da-man> the lights went out 8( 16:32 < logan_> hello who can help me with a problem in my tftpd config ? 16:33 < logan_> sorry my english :) 16:33 < lupo__> just ask your question 16:33 < logan_> ok 16:33 < logan_> mc 16:34 < logan_> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.tftpd /tftpboot 16:34 < logan_> this is my inetd.conf line 16:34 < logan_> for tftpd 16:34 < logan_> i di a kill -HUP to reload services but 16:34 < logan_> my wirkstation still no boot the kernel 16:35 < logan_> note : the dhcpd server works fine 16:35 < logan_> and y dont know hot to do now 16:35 < logan_> :P 16:38 -!- rallat [~rallat@140.Red-213-97-24.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 16:38 < logan_> ? 16:39 < rallat> hi 16:39 < lupo__> what is the path to the kernel image configured in dhcpd.conf ? 16:39 < logan_> this is : /tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz 16:40 < lupo__> and the file exists and it is the kernel? 16:40 < logan_> yes 16:40 < lupo__> okay 16:40 < lupo__> what is the exact error message on the workstation? 16:40 < logan_> no error 16:41 < logan_> the workstation does not boot the kernel image 16:41 < zeus> logan_: what error do you get ? 16:41 < lupo__> what is the last message you see? 16:42 < logan_> my syslog says : Sep 9 16:57:27 Omega in.tftpd[6813]: cannot set groups for user nobody 16:43 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:44 < lupo__> hm 16:44 < lupo__> can you check what group the user "nobody" belongs to? 16:45 < logan_> belongs to nogroup 16:45 < lupo__> strange 16:45 < logan_> my distro is 16:46 < logan_> slackware 9 16:46 < rallat> arg xD 16:47 < lupo__> logan_: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/14/2003/07/4/51817 16:49 * lupo__ is away: sleeping 16:52 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-163-228.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 16:52 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:00 -!- deego [~user@63.126.179.162] has quit ["home"] 17:14 -!- logan_ [~logan@200.72.167.38] has quit ["My damn controlling terminal disappeared!"] 17:25 -!- Snafu [~afu@209.176.43.210] has joined #LTSP 17:31 < jlnt> heres a cool little question for you guys 17:32 < jlnt> how to let a windows box connect to my linux box 17:32 < jlnt> and them have their own desktop environment 17:32 < jlnt> like a shell 17:33 < paperclip> telent.. ssh.. 17:33 < paperclip> for a shell 17:33 < Snafu> more than one way to do that from free to expensive ... from simple to rich 17:33 < jlnt> haha 17:33 < jlnt> we are going free n simple 17:33 < paperclip> get puTTY =) 17:33 < jlnt> I'd just like to setup a linux server 17:34 < jlnt> that everyone can connect to 17:34 < jlnt> and they have their own desktop environment 17:34 < Snafu> cygwin for example ... it has almost 50% of linux userspace for winblows 17:34 < jlnt> and I want it to be gui 17:34 < paperclip> you'll need X from cygwin for that then.. 17:34 < paperclip> which i wouldn't call "simple" 17:34 < jlnt> lol 17:34 < jlnt> great 17:35 < jlnt> then anyone wanna volunteer to set this up 17:35 < jlnt> haha 17:35 < Snafu> yes cygwin has X11 and there are winblows xservers like exceed 17:35 * paperclip disappears 17:35 < jlnt> I have a feeling I should just go ahead and install linux on every machine 17:35 < paperclip> net boot.. =) 17:35 < jlnt> how you do that 17:35 * paperclip really disappears 17:35 < jlnt> haha 17:35 < Snafu> also there is zipslack for win95 stuff 17:36 * jlnt runs and grabs paperclip & says give me the answers 17:36 < jlnt> lol 17:36 < Snafu> and you can dial boot to a linux xserver in a very tiny space 17:36 < Snafu> er dual there is simply lots of ways to get there 17:36 < jlnt> cool 17:37 < jlnt> means you know how to do atleast one of them right 17:37 < Snafu> even the knooppix cd would be good ... 17:37 < jlnt> yeah I have that cd roaming around here somewhere 17:37 < jlnt> I don't think you can install anything though on knoppix 17:38 < Snafu> i know how to do all of them .. it depends on how lazy i feel or the highth of the crest of the jolt cola rush im riding .. 17:38 < Snafu> and you can install anything from knopix ... 17:38 < Snafu> what makes you think linux needs a install program ? 17:38 * jlnt is a n00b to knoppix 17:39 < Snafu> if linux is running and you have the disk driver for the target available you can load linux on that target 17:39 < Snafu> you dont need no stiinkin install program 17:39 < jlnt> well darn the luck :-P 17:40 < jlnt> to bad I can't like write a boot program for windows 17:40 < jlnt> and have it boot to a knoppix cd running in a server 17:40 < Snafu> yeah there are many linux boot methods .. as many of em fancy as simpleton ... 17:41 < Snafu> cygwin is worth a look .. its a usefull tool to get familar with 17:41 < Snafu> i have winblows boxes running a sshd here 17:42 < Snafu> JEAN:~$ ps 17:42 < Snafu> PID PPID PGID WINPID TTY UID STIME COMMAND 17:42 < Snafu> 1008855 1 1008855 4293958441 ? 500 13:15:40 /USR/SBIN/SSHD 17:43 < Snafu> 983531 983103 983531 4294040553 0 500 18:02:03 /usr/bin/BASH 17:44 < Snafu> JEAN:~$ ps -aW | grep SYS 17:44 < Snafu> 3209235 0 0 4291758061 ? 0 Dec 31 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL 17:44 < Snafu> 1036171 0 0 4293931125 ? 0 Dec 31 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SYSTRAY.EXE 17:45 < Snafu> i dont have xfree on em since i have a copy of exceed a winblows xserver 17:47 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 17:47 < Snafu> so anyway you can run the shells and X11 under winblows .. or ya can provide a boot from cdrom/net/smallDRpartn/loadlin 17:48 < carlos-da-man> mknbi-1.4.0/first32.c (GPL) 17:48 < carlos-da-man> Top of Ram Disk is 0x040000000 17:48 < carlos-da-man> Ramdisk at 0x03F28000,size 17:48 < carlos-da-man> 0x000D800. <--- What`s wrong? 17:48 < Snafu> it all depends on what the aim is .. what the path of least resitance is .. what ver of winblows its running that would affect what way you go 17:49 < Snafu> what makes you think something is wrong ... 17:50 < Snafu> and btw isnt the latest ver of mknbi broken ? 17:50 < Snafu> didnt i read / hear that some where ? 17:53 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:57 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:57 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 17:57 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:59 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 18:04 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@aspect2.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ltsp 18:06 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-163-228.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 18:09 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:14 < carlos-da-man> www.informatux.net/fsl/index.html a dude that also attended an ltsp workshop in mexico uploaded my pics, originally at groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es 18:15 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 18:17 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-171-22.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 18:18 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-171-22.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:19 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 18:21 -!- jlnt [~jlnt@x1-6-00-50-ba-56-55-bc.classicnet.net] has quit ["ok"] 18:22 -!- rallat [~rallat@140.Red-213-97-24.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:23 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:23 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-160-077.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:26 < carlos-da-man> http://www.informatux.net/fsl/ 18:26 < carlos-da-man> works now 18:27 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@natout.fh.farmlib.org] has joined #LTSP 18:28 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 18:32 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A8C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:32 -!- lucas [lucas@202-45-126-237.stabat.com] has left #ltsp ["Goodbye"] 18:37 -!- pr0m_ [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 18:38 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 18:39 -!- monkeydiver [lfesdail@ool-43517d01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["On de Rise, Peace and Love to one and all!!"] 18:55 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 19:05 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 19:06 < jammcq> mistik1: hey, you around ? 19:07 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 19:10 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ 19:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ 19:10 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by brin.freenode.net 19:12 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ 19:12 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ 19:12 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by brin.freenode.net 19:24 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@natout.fh.farmlib.org] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 19:26 -!- compu1_ [~compu1@200.89.50.24] has joined #ltsp 19:26 < compu1_> hi 19:26 < compu1_> this's a terminal :) 19:26 < compu1_> I'm zeus 19:28 < carlos-da-man> compu1_ hi zeus 19:28 < carlos-da-man> Im on a terminal too ;) 19:28 < carlos-da-man> we are terminal heads hehehe 19:29 < compu1_> jajjaa 19:30 < compu1_> yeh 19:31 < compu1_> I have a cybercafe 19:31 < compu1_> I don't know how to say that in english :P 19:35 -!- compu1_ [~compu1@200.89.50.24] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 19:44 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 19:48 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 19:50 -!- UselessKnowldge [~useless@oh-ironton-u1-c511a-11.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has joined #LTSP 19:51 < UselessKnowldge> Hello everybody. Does anyone here know how to look for zombie processes? I'm using kdm, but the system is getting slower and slower until a reboot, so I suspect that sessions aren't terminating, for some reason. 19:52 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 20:01 -!- mfdutra- [marlon@200.102.112.158] has joined #ltsp 20:01 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A2C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ltsp 20:12 -!- NorthEnd [~somebody@202.155.26.11] has joined #ltsp 20:19 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 20:22 < mistik1> hey jammcq, just got in 20:22 * Lumiere bounces 20:23 < Lumiere> mistik1: 2000 threads in a second? :) 20:23 < mistik1> sup J 20:23 < NorthEnd> . 20:23 < Lumiere> see line above 20:23 < Lumiere> the new irc bot I was testing forkbombed that 20:23 < NorthEnd> i got probs 20:23 < NorthEnd> how to disable oss at boot time ? 20:24 < Lumiere> NorthEnd: we all got problems :) 20:24 < NorthEnd> how to disable oss at boot time ? 20:24 < Lumiere> NorthEnd: check the ltsp sound docs or the list? :) 20:24 < mistik1> oss? 20:24 < Lumiere> <-- doesn't have the foggiest idea 20:24 < NorthEnd> open sound system 20:24 < mistik1> Is this even ltsp related? 20:25 < NorthEnd> anyone know ? 20:25 < NorthEnd> no 20:25 < Lumiere> mistik1: I think he means on a client 20:25 < mistik1> I think not 20:25 < Lumiere> what distro? 20:25 < Lumiere> mistik1: you're right 20:25 < mistik1> just remove the sound modules from /etc/modules.conf 20:25 < NorthEnd> can i cut ? 20:25 < NorthEnd> anyone seen nopri ? 20:25 < NorthEnd> anyone seen nopri ? 20:26 < Lumiere> NorthEnd: dude, you need to go ask in the distro channel of the distro you use 20:26 < NorthEnd> uhm 20:26 < NorthEnd> i don't see any oss in mod..conf 20:27 < Lumiere> NorthEnd: you need to go ask in the distro channel of the distro you use 20:27 < NorthEnd> k 20:27 -!- bjohnson|away [~bjohnson@ip9-165.tor.istop.com] has joined #ltsp 20:27 < NorthEnd> you guys know nopri ? 20:27 < Lumiere> no 20:27 -!- mode/#ltsp [+o Lumiere] by ChanServ 20:27 < NorthEnd> any nick nopri here ? 20:27 < NorthEnd> lately ? 20:27 <@Lumiere> nope 20:28 < NorthEnd> hmmm 20:28 < NorthEnd> i've seen here before 20:28 -!- Lumiere changed the topic of #ltsp to: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ || distro help -> distro channels :) 20:50 < robbie> hi everybody 20:50 < NorthEnd> hai 20:50 <@Lumiere> hi robbie 20:50 <@Lumiere> long time no see 20:50 < robbie> been on holiday 20:51 < NorthEnd> . 21:02 -!- mfdutra- [marlon@200.102.112.158] has quit ["ircN 7.27 + 7.0 for mIRC (2002/01/10 00.00)"] 21:12 -!- zeus [~user@200.89.50.24] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:18 -!- WX [~chris@12-234-5-29.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 21:21 -!- bjohnson|away is now known as bjohnson 21:23 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, robbie 21:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: robbie 21:25 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by jordan.freenode.net 21:27 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #ltsp 21:33 -!- NorthEnd [~somebody@202.155.26.11] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:43 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 21:49 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-37.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 14400 seconds] 21:50 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:50 < jammcq> hey kids 21:51 < ks|wrk> yo daddy! ;) 21:51 < jammcq> :) 21:51 < monkeydiver> lol 21:55 < ks|wrk> jammcq: has any ldap code been released afayk? 21:55 < jammcq> not yet 21:55 < ks|wrk> hmm, i don't want to reinvent the wheel 21:55 < jammcq> i'm not working on that. sbalneave is and I haven't seen him im a few months 21:55 < jammcq> try sending email to sbalneav@ltsp.org and ask him how it's going 21:56 < ks|wrk> ok, thanks 21:56 < ks|wrk> i thought he was on holiday for two weeks 21:56 < jammcq> yeah, that was about 2 months ago 21:56 < ks|wrk> heh 21:56 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:57 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-37.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 21:58 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-37.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:58 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 22:19 -!- Vee2d2 [~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #ltsp 22:23 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 22:29 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 23:09 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: bill_c, ccjoe 23:09 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ccjoe, bill_c 23:09 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by tolkien.freenode.net 23:19 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:24 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 23:26 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:27 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 23:34 -!- sarrazip [[jgEOWBYwb@MTL-HSE-ppp173426.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ltsp 23:35 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Gone diving in code/network"] 23:40 < sarrazip> Hi. I get "You need to specify the proper X server in lts.conf", but I'm trying to create a text mode terminal (RUNLEVEL = 4). 23:42 -!- bill_c [~bill@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:42 < sarrazip> In [Default], it says XSERVER = auto, but in [term126], there is only RUNLEVEL = 4, USE_NFS_SWAP = N, SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m. 23:42 < jammcq> ok, are you sure that your workstation knows it's own hostname ? 23:42 < sarrazip> Good question... 23:43 < jammcq> if you set RUNLEVEL=3, does it give you a bash prompt ? 23:43 < sarrazip> rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from term126.sarrazip.intra:690 for /usr/opt/ltsp/i386 23:43 < sarrazip> No, I always get that same error message. 23:43 < jammcq> even after that error message, do you get a shell ? 23:43 < sarrazip> I tried RUNLEVEL 3 and 4, and also XSERVER = none, just to see... 23:44 < jammcq> ok, in the '[default]' section, set RUNLEVEL = 3 23:44 < sarrazip> I see 'Press to continue', then I press Enter, then I get 'Caught SIGHUP' and the machine is frozen. 23:44 < jammcq> then reboot the client 23:44 < sarrazip> OK, so RUNLEVEL = 3 in [Default], and no RUNLEVEL set in [term126]. 23:45 < sarrazip> 23:45 < jammcq> well, i'm guessing it is ignoring [term126], so it doesn't matter what you have there 23:45 < sarrazip> I see. How could I check if the client knows it is 'term126'? 23:45 -!- bjohnson [~bjohnson@ip9-165.tor.istop.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:45 < jammcq> once you get a shell prompt, type this: hostname 23:45 < jammcq> and see what it returns 23:45 < jammcq> mistik1: hey, you around ? 23:46 < sarrazip> I see: Current hostname: 23:46 < sarrazip> Then nothing... 23:46 < jammcq> ok 23:46 < sarrazip> I entered 192.168.71.126 in BIND on the server. 23:47 < sarrazip> 126.71.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer term126.sarrazip.intra. 23:47 < jammcq> are you doing a dynamic pool of addresses with dhcp, or are you specifying a specific address based on mac address 23:47 < sarrazip> term126.sarrazip.intra has address 192.168.71.126 23:47 < jammcq> dns doesn't matter at this point 23:47 < jammcq> it is dhcp that hands the hostname to the client 23:47 < sarrazip> host term126 { 23:47 < sarrazip> hardware ethernet 00:80:c8:40:ba:c4; 23:47 < sarrazip> fixed-address 192.168.71.126; 23:47 < sarrazip> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-1"; 23:47 < sarrazip> } 23:47 < jammcq> ok, you are probably missing this line: 23:47 < jammcq> use-host-decl-names on; 23:48 < jammcq> you need that line, for dhcpd to pass the hostname to the client 23:48 < jammcq> put that up in the global section of dhcpd.conf 23:48 < sarrazip> dhcpd: dhcpd startup succeeded 23:48 < sarrazip> rebooting... 23:48 < jammcq> k 23:48 < jammcq> you should be fine now 23:49 < sarrazip> I already have a graphical terminal that works, and I didn't have that line... 23:49 < jammcq> because the default was probably ok 23:50 < sarrazip> Oh... That may explain something about the mouse wheel... 23:50 -!- SmilieZ [~smilie@intrepid.infotainment.com.au] has joined #ltsp 23:50 < sarrazip> I have X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" in default, but "IMPS/2" in the graphical terminal's section, and it did not seem to make a difference re: the mouse wheel. 23:51 < sarrazip> Oops: the text terminal still fails, the same way, but 'Current hostname' shows 'term126'. 23:52 < jammcq> ok, it is probably failing now, because even if you choose runlevel 3 or 4, it still wants to build an XF86Config file. Go ahead and set XSERVER=ati 23:52 < sarrazip> My current lts.conf file: http://www3.sympatico.ca/sarrazip/lts.conf.txt 23:53 < sarrazip> OK. 23:54 -!- UselessKnowldge [~useless@oh-ironton-u1-c511a-11.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has quit [] 23:54 < sarrazip> (In [Default].) 23:55 < sarrazip> I got a bash prompt! 23:55 < sarrazip> It says "Building XF86Config-4 file" three lines before. 23:56 < jammcq> ok, now in the [term126] section, set RUNLEVEL=4 23:56 < sarrazip> ok, rebooting... 23:57 < ks|wrk> sarrazip: for mousewheel, add Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" when building xf4config 23:58 < jammcq> have any of you guys ever needed to run X apps displayed on a MS Windows computer ? 23:58 < jammcq> I need to do that for a customer 23:58 < ks|wrk> yeah, use NX 23:58 < jammcq> NX ? 23:59 < ks|wrk> nomachine.com 23:59 < jammcq> no 23:59 < sarrazip> jammcq: great, it works now. Thanks. 23:59 < sarrazip> (Again.) 23:59 < jammcq> sarrazip: cool 23:59 < sarrazip> So I should move stuff from [Default] to [term*] to avoid some problems, I guess. --- Day changed Wed Sep 10 2003 00:00 < jammcq> I installed cygwin, and it works ok, but it brings up a whole X Windows desktop as a window on my NT screen 00:00 < jammcq> I don't want a whole desktop, only a single X app that appears along with all the other NT windows 00:00 < jammcq> sarrazip: yes, prolly 00:00 < ks|wrk> NX can do that but its not free. 00:00 < ks|wrk> later versions can show only an app, not a desktop as it uses a rootless x server 00:01 < ks|wrk> its not free though 00:01 < jammcq> yeah, that's what I need, rootless 00:01 < jammcq> I haven't spent enough time with cygwin yet 00:01 < jammcq> it may do that for all I know 00:01 < jammcq> also there is hummingbird Exceed 00:01 < jammcq> but that costs $ 00:02 < mistik1> jammcq: sup? 00:02 < jammcq> hey mistik1 00:02 < jammcq> do you have a link to the latest killerwall ? 00:03 < jammcq> jeez, hummingbird is $545/seat 00:04 < ks|wrk> what about xwin32? 00:04 < jammcq> what is that ? 00:04 < ks|wrk> like hummingburd 00:05 < sarrazip> ks|wrk: Where do I put the ZAxisMapping option? 00:05 < jammcq> sarrazip: if you specify the correct mouse type, you shouldn't need that 00:06 < ks|wrk> i found that even if you specify the right mouse type, it won't work without ZAxisMapping 00:06 < jammcq> hmm, works fine for me 00:06 < ks|wrk> In the mouse section, sarrazip 00:08 < sarrazip> ks|wrk: In my case, the XF86Config-4 file is generated by something in LTSP, so I cannot edit it myself. Am I mistaken? 00:08 < ks|wrk> we really should rip out parts of hwdetect and autoprobe for the mouse 00:08 < ks|wrk> sarrazip: right, but you can hack the build xf4 script 00:09 < sarrazip> I'll go try the graphical terminal again, now the [Default] has no X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL, and [term127] has X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2". 00:09 < sarrazip> ks|wrk: Oh, OK. I'll look into that if needed. Thanks. 00:10 < jammcq> looks like WinaXe is a rootless Xserver for windows 00:10 < jammcq> and the price is $90 00:11 < macros> The X server in cygwin can do rootless, it is just kinda slow 00:11 < jammcq> REALLY ? 00:11 < jammcq> how ? 00:11 < macros> Last I heard there was work to doa GDI accelerated version 00:11 < macros> I've used it before, but it has been a few months 00:12 < macros> You start it and export your DISPLAY to it 00:12 < jammcq> if I run XWin.exe, it is not rootless 00:12 < Snafu> rootless servers are pretty neet .. i used pmx and exceed for os2 and exceed for win .. i had no idea they hag a cygwin hack for rootless 00:12 < macros> Hmm 00:12 < macros> I don't have a windows box handy 00:13 < jammcq> it opens a BIG window that covers the whole screen 00:13 < jammcq> i'm running NT under VMware on my desktop 00:13 < macros> http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2003-04/msg00176.html 00:13 < macros> Xwin -rootles 00:13 < macros> Xwin -rootless 00:13 < sarrazip> The mouse wheel now works, with just X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" in the [term127] section, and no X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL line in [Default]. Thanks again. 00:14 < Snafu> a rootless server uses the existing desktop .. pm/wps for os2 and the win desktop on winblows ... you dont export a while display with a desktop to it 00:14 < mistik1> jammcq: in /tmp on BigDog 00:14 < macros> I was going to look into it again in a month or two, have some ideas for some fun stuff with MrProject 00:14 < mistik1> g`night bro, i'm about dead 00:15 < Snafu> but simply run apps indevidually that point to it as their display attempt to start a desktop it will say yhere is already one running .. 00:15 < jammcq> hmm, looks like XWin -rootless might do it 00:15 < jammcq> mistik1: thanks buddy 00:15 < macros> http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=144322 00:15 < macros> Look at the bottom 00:16 < Snafu> thats a nice hack ... new one to me too 00:17 < Snafu> heh now ive just got to try that out as soon as i can ;=) 00:17 < jammcq> son of a gun 00:17 < jammcq> seems to work 00:17 < macros> Cygwin on the whole is just killer 00:17 < macros> :) 00:17 < Snafu> slap us silly eh ? 00:18 < jammcq> BUT, the windows don't have any borders 00:18 < jammcq> no window mgr 00:18 < jammcq> hmm 00:18 < jammcq> it's always something 00:18 -!- mode/#ltsp [+o mistik1] by ChanServ 00:19 < ks|wrk> jammcq: can you run a wm with it? 00:19 < jammcq> well, I suppose. I've got to look at it. I need to give a customer the ability to run an X app on their windows boxes, and I need it to be seemless 00:19 < jammcq> they should be able to click an icon, and it should launch the Xapp 00:20 < Snafu> well you would think it could use the existing winblows decorations .. but ... but perhaps you could cfg gnome to run and put its panel at the top of the screen or something 00:20 < ks|wrk> how many users need to be able to run unix apps on windows? 00:20 < jammcq> hmm, just requires some thinking 00:20 < jammcq> hmm, probably 30 00:21 < ks|wrk> NX would make sence if they were prepared to spend $500 USD for unlimited users 00:21 -!- mode/#ltsp [+b *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com] by mistik1 00:21 < jammcq> i'm not crasy about the whole NX thing 00:21 < Snafu> if rootless in this context is simply the missing root window covering things ... perhaps the use of a window manager setup not to cover the winblows bar on the bottom might be possible .. 00:21 < jammcq> I didn't like the guy's attitude 00:21 < ks|wrk> really? 00:21 < ks|wrk> was he nasty? 00:22 < jammcq> not nasty, just demanding 00:22 < macros> http://xfree86.cygwin.com/devel/xwinclip/ 00:22 < jammcq> he wanted US to provide the opensource version of of the NX server 00:23 < ks|wrk> why don't they just opensource theirs 00:24 < ks|wrk> just like sun does with staroffice. 00:24 < Snafu> macros -rootless preclude the use of a wm ? in the "standard" example pmx exceed etc running in seemless mode it does .. and your x windows get the native decorations as the hosting desktop .... 00:24 < Snafu> macros but if in this case the windoes are bare .. then perhaps exporting a wm to it isnt precluded 00:24 < macros> Snafu: Not sure, something like metacity with windows like decorations would fit well 00:25 < macros> http://www.mail-archive.com/cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com/msg03892.html 00:25 < jammcq> macros: you pointed me to the clipboard manager 00:26 < macros> jammcq: Yeah, something that might be useful to have :) 00:26 < jammcq> macros: yeah, once I get the app displaying with borders a clipboard might come in handy 00:26 < jammcq> any pointers to docs on the XWin.exe ? 00:27 < Snafu> so you would ... for example cfg wmaker to use some nonstandard keys to get its popups ... or fvwm etc ... something that you could cfg around the windows key and panel/taskbar 00:27 < macros> jammcq: Not really 00:27 < macros> jammcq: I've just been going through goolge 00:27 -!- mode/#ltsp [+o jammcq] by mistik1 00:28 <@jammcq> http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ 00:28 <@jammcq> that page seems interesting 00:29 <@mistik1> jammcq: it rocks 00:29 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 00:32 < Snafu> heh xwinclip is a builtin now heh 00:32 < macros> Cool 00:33 < Snafu> looks like soon you wont need exceed or any seemless xserver any more 00:34 < Snafu> heh that kicks ass 00:34 < WX> hey jim 00:35 <@jammcq> hey chris 00:35 < macros> There is also a -multiwindow option 00:35 < macros> Note 00:35 < macros> With the release of XFree86 4.3.0, the Cygwin X server offers two new options, -rootless and -multiwindow. These options allow you to run X programs and have them managed by the native Windows window manager, so they appear like any other standard Windows application. 00:36 <@jammcq> hmm, where'd you read that ? 00:36 < macros> http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:gLghdiqEjW4J:mywebpage.netscape.com/SharpPeople/vim/howto/Vim-Compile-Win32-HOWTO/compiling.html+cygwin+rootless+X+managed&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 00:36 < macros> It took forever to come up 00:36 < macros> Buried near the bottom 00:37 <@jammcq> :) 00:37 <@jammcq> I tried this: XWin -multiwindow -ac 00:37 <@jammcq> and it puts a 'X' icon in the tray 00:38 <@jammcq> then, I telnetted to my Linux box and ran: export DISPLAY=vmnt:0.0; xterm 00:38 <@jammcq> and it works :) 00:38 < macros> :) 00:38 <@jammcq> complete with borders 00:38 <@jammcq> this is scarry :) 00:38 <@jammcq> it is a bit pokey tho 00:39 <@jammcq> but that isn't really a problem 00:39 < Snafu> heh 00:40 < Snafu> pokey on what kinda box ... 00:41 <@jammcq> well, it's a dual P3-1ghz running RH7.3. on top of that, i'm running VMWare with Windows-NT 4.0 as a guest OS. Within that, i'm running XWin, and then telnetting back to the Rh7.3 session running on the box. from there, I run xterm or gimp or acroread, and it's just a bit pokey 00:41 < Snafu> you dont need both ? -rootless -multiwindow -ac ? 00:41 < WX> ugh this new job is killing me 00:41 <@jammcq> didn't need -rootless 00:41 < WX> i get about 1 hour of free time per evening 00:41 <@jammcq> -multiwindow seems to do the trick 00:42 <@jammcq> I think a real WinNT box running Xwin would probably perform a bit better 00:42 <@jammcq> and get this..... This is all happening on an LTSP workstation :) 00:42 < Snafu> scary ... ;=) the levels deep the display with its being rendered a few times more than two ... 00:43 < Snafu> ok so 4 00:43 < Snafu> so ya that would be asking for some lag ... 00:43 <@jammcq> this is just getting silly. i'm running gimp, and it pops up about 4 windows of it's own, all on my NT screen :) 00:44 < Snafu> dang i really need to try that .. but the win boxes round here have sleeping ppl next to them .. and area walk across the yard at that .. 00:46 < Snafu> ya seemless my X apps always acted like local ones http://www.nop.org/misc/pics/unsort/desktop2.jpg 00:47 <@jammcq> this is just too cool :) 00:47 < Snafu> http://www.nop.org/misc/pics/unsort/desktop.jpg ran an xserver on OS/2 since about 1994 ... 00:47 <@jammcq> welp, way past my bedtime 00:47 <@jammcq> I'll see ya'll tomorrow 00:47 -!- manimay_ [~mani@p508090BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 00:47 < Snafu> eventually the os2 box was little more than a glorified xserver 00:48 < Snafu> cheers James 00:48 -!- manimay__ [~mani@pD9E63744.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:49 < sarrazip> Thanks again James. I'm trying with my pcmcia laptop now... 00:49 < Snafu> Jim er close enough .. macros mistic er ... whos the clon been hiding this from us ... 00:50 < Snafu> whos the clown thats been hiding this from us ... 00:50 < Snafu> was the prob ... you see neet chit like this your posed to tell ppl ... 00:50 < Snafu> ;=) 00:53 < Snafu> With the release of XFree86 4.3.0, the Cygwin X server offers two new options, -rootless and -multiwindow. These options 00:53 < Snafu> allow you to run X programs and have them managed by the native Windows window manager, so they appear like any other 00:53 < Snafu> standard Windows application. 00:53 < Snafu> oppz 00:53 < Snafu> wrong irc sorry 00:56 < macros> :) 00:57 < macros> I played with this stuff a few years ago at a company I was working for, they weren't interested in talking to customers about it 00:57 < macros> This was when it was all still a giant hack 00:58 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@aspect2.lnk.telstra.net] has quit ["cu"] 00:58 < Snafu> well i knew about the cygwin X11 effort .... 00:58 < macros> I saw rootless as the key 00:58 < Snafu> but that it can run seemless now this is new ,,, 00:59 < macros> It was too differenct otherwise 00:59 -!- WX [~chris@12-234-5-29.client.attbi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:03 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: no_paste, jahroots, kVanQue, MetaCosm, parsley, @mistik1 01:14 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has joined #ltsp 01:14 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ltsp 01:14 -!- kVanQue [~kvanque@2001:1448:80:1e:0:0:0:1] has joined #ltsp 01:14 -!- parsley [[DfQaWG6nI@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 01:14 -!- jahroots [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 01:14 -!- no_paste [geeks@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 01:14 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+o mistik1] by leguin.freenode.net 01:14 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by calvino.freenode.net 01:15 -!- sarrazip [[jgEOWBYwb@MTL-HSE-ppp173426.qc.sympatico.ca] has quit ["Client exiting"] 01:26 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: no_paste, jahroots, kVanQue, MetaCosm, parsley, @mistik1 01:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @mistik1, MetaCosm, kVanQue, parsley, jahroots, no_paste 01:28 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by calvino.freenode.net 01:32 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 01:32 < keyur> hi, i got problem with my SiS card 01:32 < keyur> i have set this card as vesa, but it shows too big icon and fonts 01:32 < keyur> and which goes out of screen 01:33 < keyur> so any proper setting for SiS 6215? 01:49 -!- HiltonT_au is now known as HiltonT 02:30 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:40 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 03:09 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 03:10 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Client Quit] 03:13 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 03:38 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:40 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 03:41 < keyur> hi 03:41 < keyur> how can i setup xfree4.x in ltsp 03:50 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 04:39 -!- kszwed [~gw02103@178.mel0507.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ltsp 04:39 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:40 -!- newbie [hirsch@rh.astro.amu.edu.pl] has joined #ltsp 04:42 < newbie> Hello! 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You can edit the Default file to display whatever you want 10:09 <@jammcq> it uses xsri to display the graphic image 10:10 <@jammcq> you can change it back to this: 10:10 <@jammcq> #!/bin/sh 10:10 <@jammcq> # Xsetup for Red Hat Linux 10:10 <@jammcq> # Copyright (c) 1999, 2000, 2001 Red Hat, Inc. 10:10 <@jammcq> /usr/X11R6/bin/xsetroot -solid "#5477A0" 10:10 <@jammcq> if [ -z "$RUNNING_UNDER_GDM" ] ; then 10:10 <@jammcq> /sbin/pidof -s kdm &> /dev/null && [ $? -eq 0 -a -x /usr/bin/kdmdesktop ] && /usr/bin/kdmdesktop && sleep 1s 10:10 <@jammcq> # only set the background if the xsri program is installed 10:10 <@jammcq> if [ -x /usr/bin/xsri -a -f /etc/X11/xsrirc ]; then 10:11 <@jammcq> /usr/bin/xsri --redhat-login --set 10:11 <@jammcq> fi 10:11 <@jammcq> fi 10:11 < duca> ok thanks alot -- one last question, I have upgrade XFree86 (and the kernel) in the ltsp-tree, so I can use my via Epia motherboard, if i do "XSERVER = via" in the lts.conf I get a "No screen found" do you know why? (the client starts up perfect else) 10:11 <@jammcq> are you sure 'via' is the name of an X driver ? 10:11 <@jammcq> i've not seen that driver 10:12 < duca> well the drivers name is via.o so..? 10:13 -!- _ccjoe_ [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has joined #ltsp 10:13 -!- _ccjoe_ [clrsrv@www.clearcore.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:13 <@jammcq> shouldn't it be 'via_drv.o' ? 10:13 < duca> sorry my fault DOOOH ...yes you're right ---sorry 10:13 <@jammcq> hmm, is that in 4.3.0 ? 10:14 < duca> 4.3.99 10:14 <@jammcq> hmm 10:14 <@jammcq> is that a cvs snapshot ? 10:15 < duca> jep, they haven't relesed the stabel version yet, eith support for via Epia :( 10:15 < duca> eith=with 10:16 <@jammcq> yeah, but did you get it from cvs, or are there tarballs out there ? 10:18 < duca> i dl it from their ftp server as a tarball --found it under develsnaps a think 10:18 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 10:22 < duca> yep, got it from here xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/develsnaps/ 10:22 <@jammcq> yep, i'm there now 10:22 <@jammcq> downloading 4.3.99.12 and the changelogs 10:26 < duca> ok, I found a little howto on the mailling list from a Jef -- the only problem I had was a missing lib in the ltsp-tree 10:27 < duca> it was zlib (devel) 10:28 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 10:28 <@jammcq> i added zlib a few weeks ago to the lbe 10:28 < Damascene> hm. if someone misses the point in some email/mailing list, is it okay ot just.. let it go? ;) hm.. yeah i should. 10:29 < duca> jammcq: Ones again thank you very much for the help ... and keep up the good work!!!! 10:29 <@jammcq> thanks 10:29 < Damascene> whoops wrong channel 10:29 <@jammcq> Damascene: heh 10:29 * duca is away: Jeg har travlt 10:34 < ragnar> jammcq: apt-rpm repository almost done :-) 10:41 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:41 < ragnar> anyone here using apt-rpm? Be nice if someone could test the repository 10:45 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 10:50 < arc> hi pLin_io 10:50 < pLin_io> eps arc 10:50 < pLin_io> hi y'all 10:54 -!- lupo__ [lupo@pD9E68256.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:01 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@210.23.168.247] has joined #ltsp 11:05 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 11:05 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:16 -!- nyophirdo [baby08@210.23.168.247] has quit ["its freakin hard 2 show every1 dat im doin juz fyn w/o u wen deep down insyd im not. and dat i have 2 smyl wen i can barely ho"] 11:19 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has joined #ltsp 11:19 < Federico2> hi 11:20 < zeus> hi 11:27 -!- morfic- [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #ltsp 11:27 < pLin_io> holas zeus,, hi morfic 11:28 < zeus> holas :) 11:29 < nelius> Hi jim, are you around? 11:30 -!- morfic [morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:30 -!- morfic- is now known as morfic 11:33 < pLin_io> nah,, morfic looks better with - 11:33 < morfic> nah, thanks 11:33 < pLin_io> XD 11:35 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 11:36 -!- bill_c [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 12:05 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 12:18 -!- |^JaMeS^| [~james@129.8.112.200] has joined #ltsp 12:26 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E3C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 12:43 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085A2C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:45 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD951E3C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 12:49 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-3789.bb.online.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 12:52 -!- bill_c_ [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 12:53 -!- bill_c [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:55 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.146.107] has joined #ltsp 13:02 -!- Sp0oKeR [~rodrigo@200-168-66-138.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ltsp 13:03 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 13:04 < Sp0oKeR> i have a nvidia card, and i intend to use a generic xserver...what can a do? i wont to use the original nvidia driver 13:05 < carlos-da-man> + 13:05 < carlos-da-man> çç 13:05 < carlos-da-man> +çç 13:07 <@Lumiere> Sp0oKeR: use xserver nv 13:08 -!- etyack [~etyack@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 13:08 <@Lumiere> hey etyack 13:08 <@Lumiere> long time no see 13:08 <@jammcq> hey etyack 13:08 < etyack> hey Lumiere 13:08 <@jammcq> how ya doing ? 13:08 < etyack> Lumiere, how's school going? 13:08 <@Lumiere> good 13:09 < Sp0oKeR> Lumiere: how ? at lts.conf ? 13:09 <@Lumiere> yes 13:09 <@Lumiere> set XSERVER=nv 13:10 < Sp0oKeR> cool... 13:10 < Sp0oKeR> i will try 13:11 < Sp0oKeR> tks.. 13:11 < carlos-da-man> jammcq my GDM problem, I got (get) an eventual 'font fixed not found' problem 13:11 <@Lumiere> np... 13:11 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-3789.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 13:11 <@Lumiere> etyack: enjoying the weather up there? (heard it's been nice :)) 13:12 < carlos-da-man> I also found out that SWAP FILE SIZE 13:12 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:12 < ragnar> jammcq: ping 13:12 < carlos-da-man> 32M is not valid because 32m is case sensitive 8( 13:12 < etyack> Lumiere, it's been great! what is it like down there? 13:12 <@Lumiere> been kinda wet at times 13:13 <@Lumiere> but today is really pretty 13:13 < ragnar> hmph, why does an upgrade of ltsp_core overwrite lts.conf without leaving an rpmsave? 13:13 < etyack> ragnar, hey how you doing? 13:13 < ragnar> hey erick! 13:13 < ragnar> etyack: long time, been doing any sailing? 13:13 <@Lumiere> http://www.weather.com/weather/local/27262 13:13 <@jammcq> ragnar: etyack is talking to ron, lemme tap him on the shoulder 13:13 < ragnar> heh 13:13 <@jammcq> ragnar: hey 13:13 -!- dbast [SPOOFED@pD9EC5644.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 13:13 <@Lumiere> lol 13:13 < ragnar> board meeting? 13:14 <@jammcq> more like 'bored' meeting :) 13:14 < ragnar> jammcq: ummm, why does an upgrade of ltsp_core overwrite lts.conf without leaving an rpmsave? 13:14 < Sp0oKeR> Lumiere: i need to install some package? 13:14 <@Lumiere> no... 13:14 <@jammcq> ragnar: umm, because our rpms are really lame 13:14 <@Lumiere> should be in the X4 package 13:14 < etyack> ragnar, only sailed twice this summer :( spending all the time I can with my little boy :)) 13:14 < ragnar> etyack: take him sailing :-) 13:15 < etyack> ragnar, next year! 13:15 < ragnar> cant start too early 13:15 <@jammcq> ragnar: but, when I get around to building rpms for ltsp-4, they will be bonafide rpms 13:15 < Sp0oKeR> Lumiere: tkz a lot ... works fine =) 13:15 < ragnar> ok, so you're tagging lts.conf as config file 13:15 < etyack> i think a one yo could handle foredeck 13:15 < etyack> ragnar, you been sailing much? 13:16 < ragnar> etyack: heh, been doing foredeck this summer on a 11mOD 13:16 < ragnar> yes, quite a bit sailing this year, been a good summer, warm and windy 13:16 < etyack> ragnar, cool. are you traveling around europe or local? 13:17 < ragnar> local, as far as sweden only 13:17 < ragnar> did a week racing in sweden 13:17 < etyack> is there a decent fleet of 11m? 13:17 < ragnar> we were 30 in the europeans, we came 7 13:17 < ragnar> won most of the parties, though ;-) 13:18 <@jammcq> ragnar: hey, how much snow do you have now ? 13:18 < etyack> you gotta win the parties !!! 13:18 < ragnar> jammcq: heh, not yet 13:19 < ragnar> at the moment i have a grey screen with an X though 13:19 < ragnar> plenty of snow there 13:19 * ragnar kicks himself for not having proper backup at home 13:20 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 13:20 < etyack> what are backups? 13:20 < ragnar> right 13:21 < ragnar> the apt-rpm repository is operational, if anyone wants to have a go 13:21 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 13:22 < carlos-da-man> is it possible to communicate to the server from an unconfigured terminal to change parameters onthe server? 13:31 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-3789.bb.online.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 13:33 -!- geo-r0x [soucomovc@200.216.172.72] has joined #LTSP 13:35 -!- greendisease [~jack@128.238.9.160] has joined #ltsp 13:44 -!- Sp0oKeR [~rodrigo@200-168-66-138.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit ["Finalizando Cliente"] 13:46 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 13:49 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 13:50 -!- geo-r0x[OFF] [soucomovc@200.216.172.72] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:53 -!- greendisease [~jack@128.238.9.160] has quit ["class"] 13:53 -!- paperclip [~paperclip@ip68-11-30-158.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ltsp 13:59 -!- |^JaMeS^| [~james@129.8.112.200] has quit ["|^JaMeS^| has no reason"] 14:00 < Federico2> bye 14:01 -!- Federico2 [~Federico2@62-101-126-216.fastres.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:01 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has joined #ltsp 14:02 < carlos-da-man> newbies can look at a nice pic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es/ 14:03 < carlos-da-man> is there a moderator that can tell me how to set a new topic? I have a green light in ltsp-es ;) 14:04 < carlos-da-man> jammcq I got 21 members an 14:04 <@jammcq> heh 14:04 < carlos-da-man> at the ltsp-es forum in 5 days 14:05 < carlos-da-man> and questions are rolling in ;) 14:05 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 14:07 < carlos-da-man> the memeber list amazing, many .mx, .es, .br and .ar email accounts 14:08 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-39-75.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 14:10 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD9E1DEAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 14:12 -!- ___OOps___ [turtle@62-36-30-224.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 14:13 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-39-75.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:16 -!- OOps [turtle@80.103.146.107] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:16 -!- ___OOps___ is now known as OOps 14:18 < carlos-da-man> hi OOps 14:19 < OOps> hola 14:19 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 14:20 -!- etyack [~etyack@pcp02876841pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:22 -!- __OOps__ [turtle@62-37-38-106.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 14:22 -!- OOps [turtle@62-36-30-224.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:23 -!- __OOps__ is now known as OOps 14:30 < carlos-da-man> que hay de nuevo OOps? 14:37 -!- oktay [~oktay@su-nat.datapipe.net] has joined #ltsp 14:37 < oktay> hey guys, is there a ready made ltsp kernel with MTRR support? 14:39 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 14:41 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 14:46 -!- davidj [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 14:46 < davidj> Hello, all. 14:46 < oktay> hello 14:47 < davidj> What's going on? 14:48 < oktay> not much. trying to find a kernel with mtrr support 14:48 < oktay> or a .config file for the existing kernel 14:48 < bill_c_> is mtrr part of the vanilla kernel or a patch you add? 14:48 < davidj> I'm fairly sure it's in the plain kernel. 14:49 < oktay> plain 14:49 < oktay> but it's not configured in the ltsp kernel 2.4.19 14:49 < oktay> it's supposed to make video cards run much faster 14:49 < bill_c_> ltsp 2.4.21 kernel is avail now 14:49 < oktay> i know 14:49 < oktay> but i don't know if that one has mtrr either 14:50 < oktay> i guess i should try it on my own box 14:50 <@jammcq> what do you need mtrr for ? 14:50 < oktay> jammcq: http://xfree86.desiato.de/xfree86/pipermail/xpert/2001-June/009053.html 14:50 <@jammcq> sorry, i'm sitting here on a char-mode display 14:50 < oktay> this pain in the you know where dude here is complaining about how slow it is 14:50 <@jammcq> what is slow ? 14:51 < oktay> window drawing etc 14:51 < oktay> redraw.. leaving trails when he moves the windows around 14:51 < oktay> it's a dual monitor and very high resolution i might add 14:51 < davidj> The link he posted says " MTRR is worth a factor of 2.5. You *need* MTRR support to get 14:51 < davidj> > reasonable performance on PII and newer processors." 14:51 < oktay> i think it's fairly normal, but we're trying to fix it anyway 14:51 < bill_c_> via chipset? 14:51 < oktay> doubt it 14:52 < davidj> oktay: which chipset, and which CPU? 14:52 < oktay> it's a decent compaq box 14:52 < oktay> p4 cpu 14:52 < bill_c_> i would use the 2.4.21 kernel 14:52 <@jammcq> is it an LTSP workstation ? 14:53 < oktay> bill_c_: i would too, still no mtrr 14:53 <@jammcq> nevermind 14:53 < oktay> jammcq: it is :) 14:53 < oktay> our motivation for running ltsp is a little different 14:53 < bill_c_> oktay, i have a p4 workstation not using mtrr 14:53 < oktay> bill_c_: i hear you. in fact, i do too. and it's fine for my taste. 14:53 < bill_c_> i don't have trail 14:53 < bill_c_> pro 14:54 < bill_c_> prob 14:54 <@jammcq> I think the trail problem is a video driver bug 14:54 <@jammcq> i see it from time to time on various chipsets 14:54 < bill_c_> yeah, had same prob with via's, 2.4.21 fixed 14:54 < davidj> oktay: which version of ltsp_x_core are you using? 14:55 < oktay> i've actually upgraded to the latest binary distrib from xfree.org 14:55 < davidj> jammcq: LBE build is progressing well 14:55 <@jammcq> are you building it ? 14:55 < davidj> oktay: Did you build it yourself? 14:55 < davidj> jammcq: Yes, I'm building it now. I've got to get this NV flatpanel working, and it only seems to work with X 4.3. 14:56 <@jammcq> ah, I downloaded 4.3.99 today, and I started it building before I left 14:56 <@jammcq> I wanna see if it solves the Jammin-125 problem 14:56 < davidj> Your timing is immecable, as usual. 14:57 < davidj> I pulled 4.3.99 down to, but I've got to get the lbe built first. 14:57 < oktay> davidj: no. it was binary. that fixes a mouse trail issue on dual monitors using matrox cards 14:58 < davidj> oktay: the stuff from xfree.org won't affect your LTSP terminals; remember that they only run the programs in /opt/ltsp/i386, and the xfree code is in /usr/X11R6 15:00 < oktay> davidj: they do run the X server that comes with it though /usr/X11R6/bin/X 15:00 < oktay> and the drivers i might add 15:00 <@jammcq> huh ? 15:00 < oktay> oh 15:02 < oktay> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6 15:02 < davidj> oktay: No, the terminals run the X server that's in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86. 15:02 < oktay> that's what I meant.. i was talking about the client side 15:02 < davidj> Did you put the xfree.org server in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6? 15:05 < davidj> If you do, it probably won't work. /opt/ltsp/i386/has the wrong version of glibc. 15:07 < davidj> butterfingers... 15:08 < oktay> i did. it works fine 15:08 < oktay> fixes the mouse trail issue with mga_hal (matrox dual head) 15:08 < davidj> oktay: What did you do? 15:09 < oktay> downloaded the binary distro from xfree.org and moved it over to the /opt/ltsp dir.. replaced it with the X that comes with ltsp 15:10 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 15:10 < oktay> davidj: ltsp had 2.9.99 or something.. and the binary was 3.0. 15:11 < davidj> oktay: which binary did you use? 15:12 < oktay> ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.3.0/binaries 15:13 < oktay> the correct glibc one, i don't remember which now 15:14 -!- davus [~davus@ns5xp.newhampton.org] has joined #LTSP 15:15 < project9_> i am boot node with floppy .i want local floppy drive support how do i do it ............... 15:15 < project9_> carlos:hi how r u 15:16 < carlos-da-man> project9_ ok thanks 15:16 < carlos-da-man> project9_ look at a nice pic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltsp-es/ 15:18 < project9_> i saw this yesterday only 15:18 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-106.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 15:20 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 15:21 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [] 15:23 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-160-077.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 15:23 < davidj> project9_: take a look at ltsp_floppyd on the ltsp.org website. It's not perfect, but it is very simple to set up. 15:23 -!- parsley_ [[ccv3Al5r4@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 15:25 < project9_> david:ok thanks 15:25 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 15:26 < oktay> jammcq: is the kernel config for the kernel packages available anywhere? 15:26 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-106.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 15:26 -!- Damascene [Damascene@bgp534451bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 15:26 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-106.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:26 < oktay> i will recompile with mtrr, but don't want to miss any options 15:30 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:31 < carlos-da-man> project9_ I use no floppy nor hard drives on the workstations, only 1 workstation has a hard drive but at night I reboot it to its local linux and it has an ftp server, and then I FTP from the LTSP server`s image to the workstation for maintainance and keeping it simple 15:32 <@jammcq> oktay: you need the ltsp_initrd_kit, it contains the config file and the script for building the kernel 15:34 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-106.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 15:34 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-38-106.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Client Quit] 15:35 < oktay> jammcq: oh. ok. i didn't see that in the documentation. 15:35 < oktay> jammcq: as far as I can see the install.sh that comes with the binary kernel package won't overwrite what's already installed. does this sound right? 15:35 -!- parsley_ [[ccv3Al5r4@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:37 < ebb> hmmm probebly been asked about a hundread times but any one found any low price new stuff that can be used for terminls 15:37 < bill_c_> if your a school, you can get many a p2 donated 15:38 < bill_c_> www.disklessworkstations.com has jammin 125's 15:38 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:39 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:39 < ebb> hmmm not much stuff realy im resorting to getting real cheap lattops from ebay 15:39 <@jammcq> we have some Used jammin-125's too :) Save 100 bucks 15:39 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 15:39 < ebb> heh 15:40 < oktay> ebb: i can never find real cheap laptops on ebay 15:40 < bill_c_> jammin125's are nice since they support pxe boot 15:40 < ebb> im getting laptop next few days it minus hard disk + screen and keyboard lol 15:40 <@jammcq> actually, they support Etherboot, not pxe 15:40 < bill_c_> no need to boot media 15:41 < ebb> hmmm u in uk oktay ? 15:41 < bill_c_> via edens work, but i think jammins125's are cheaper 15:41 < bill_c_> plus orders form www.disklessworkstations.com support ltsp :) 15:42 < oktay> ebb: usa 15:43 -!- parsley [[DfQaWG6nI@linuxjedi.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:43 < bill_c_> hmm i may have to order a used one 15:43 < ebb> k 15:43 < bill_c_> using old k62 workstation for my wife, wouldn't mind getting rid of that loud junker 15:45 < davidj> bill_c_: I replaced a power supply with a "super-quiet" supply, and it cut the noise a lot. Unfortunately, the CPU fan's often the biggest noisemaker. 15:46 < davidj> bill_c_: I've heard of folks under-clocking CPUs and turning the fans off. 15:46 < davidj> back in a sec... 15:46 -!- davidj [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:47 -!- geo-r0x [soucomovc@200.216.172.72] has quit ["A verdadeira amizade é aquela que lembrança não apaga, a distância não separa, a maldade nao destroi #r0xclan"] 15:50 < ebb> lolz u got antique comps on usa ebay lol 15:51 < oktay> laptop prices don't go down that much for some reason 15:51 < oktay> what's the X version on the latest x_core? 15:52 < ebb> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3429655700&category=42206 that looks ok 15:52 < ebb> maybe didernt check it much 15:54 < oktay> i used to have one of those 15:54 < ebb> vga port on the back ? 15:55 < oktay> it had the fancy trackball mouse that gets attached on the side 15:55 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.77.29.163] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:55 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.56.176.116] has joined #ltsp 15:55 < oktay> but this particular one has no hd, no power adapter 15:55 < oktay> no battery either 15:55 < oktay> not that it would hold charge if it had one :) 15:56 < ebb> heh well there plenty more 15:56 < ebb> no hd is ok 15:56 -!- robbie [~rob@rotapile.winshop.com.au] has joined #ltsp 16:06 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit ["going out..."] 16:07 < oktay> ebb: i wasn't thinking that old :) 16:07 < oktay> like p2-300 or something 16:07 < oktay> not for ltsp 16:09 < ebb> u use local apps ? 16:10 < oktay> nope 16:11 < oktay> 7.2.4. Building the kernel 16:11 < oktay> make modules_install 16:11 < oktay> 16:11 < ebb> well i guess it needs more prossecor power 16:11 < ebb> but i thought ltsp uses mostly server proccessor 16:11 < oktay> the documentation mentions that ltsp_initrd_kit has to be downloaded before compiling a kernel 16:12 < oktay> but it doesn't mention anything about it in the rest of the document (except for taggin) 16:12 < oktay> it's just a regular kernel compile doc 16:12 < ebb> not realy only if u need a custom kernel 16:12 < oktay> i do 16:12 < ebb> u need custom ? 16:12 < oktay> it also has the modules_install step 16:12 < oktay> why would i install the modules on the server? 16:13 < oktay> ebb: i need MTRR support 16:13 < ebb> hmmm strange that i compiled my kernel but it seems it dont need em 16:14 < ebb> if u install modules it can mess up your comp lol 16:14 < ebb> well it messed up mine anyway 16:14 < oktay> it won't mess up your modules if you change the EXTRAVERSION in your Makefile 16:15 < ebb> hmmm k 16:15 < ebb> will remember that next time but it seems to work without them 16:15 < ebb> maybe they there i dont know 16:16 < oktay> you probably installed the binary kernel 16:16 < ebb> naa i had to re do it for my old network card 16:16 -!- david_ [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 16:16 < ebb> needed edited ram disk 16:17 < ebb> packet size to big 16:19 < ebb> hmm forgot to buy pcmcia network card for laptop 16:20 < oktay> that's kind of important for ltsp :) 16:21 < ebb> hmmm u could be right there 16:21 < oktay> me? 16:21 < ebb> maybe i could get a pxe enabled one 16:21 < oktay> oh 16:21 < ebb> heheh 16:21 < oktay> i think my on board chip does it 16:22 < ebb> its nice when it does that 16:22 <@jammcq> if you have a pcmcia network card you MUST use either a floppy or harddisk to boot 16:22 <@jammcq> pxe and etherboot will NOT work with that 16:24 < oktay> jammcq.. custom kernels for ltsp.. do i just build a regular kernel and install it on the server then tag the kernel and move it over to the ltsp root? 16:24 < ebb> okies thnx jammcq 16:25 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 16:25 <@jammcq> no 16:25 < robbie> hi jammcq 16:25 <@jammcq> oktay: you build a kernel starting with my .config file 16:25 <@jammcq> hey robbie 16:25 < oktay> jammcq: yes. the one frm the initrd package 16:25 <@jammcq> and you use buildk in the ltsp_initrd_kit to create the initrd image and tag it 16:26 < oktay> am i reading the wrong docs? http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html#AEN771 16:26 <@jammcq> dunno. I can't get to those docs from here 16:26 < oktay> actually.. buildk is listed as the last step 16:26 < oktay> after what looks like a regular kernel compile 16:27 <@jammcq> well, regular ? i'm not sure what that means. all kernel comkpiles are pretty much the same to me 16:27 < oktay> that's what I'm saying :) 16:28 < morfic> you tweo say the same thing in different languages... ;) 16:28 <@jammcq> heh 16:28 < oktay> i'm not a native speaker 16:28 < oktay> i tend to complicate things, but don't mean to :) 16:28 < morfic> oktay: neither am i, its a great excuse and i get to use it till i die! ;P 16:29 < oktay> heh. shush.. :) 16:30 -!- jstraw [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has joined #ltsp 16:31 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-160-254.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 16:31 < ebb> if i burn it on to cd can i boot from cd drive ? 16:32 < morfic> ebb: if you burn it as a bootable CD i dont see why not 16:32 < morfic> mostly its a floppy image you burn anyway 16:32 < morfic> for being bootable 16:32 < ebb> okies 16:33 < ebb> thnx 16:34 < morfic> ebb: i dont KNOW that, im just applying things i do know that will lead to this conclusion, but id be shocked to be wrong 16:34 < ebb> heh me to 16:34 < ebb> dont know why not 16:34 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.56.176.116] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 16:35 < morfic> you could boot of a flash if you have a bootable flashcard 16:35 < ebb> ohhh good idea 16:35 < ebb> i never thought of that 16:36 < ebb> thnx v much 16:42 < oktay> where does one get mknbi-linux from? 16:43 < oktay> got it 16:44 < ebb> lol 16:44 < ebb> i asked that as well 16:45 < oktay> hm. so what did buildk give me ? :) 16:45 < ebb> kernel + ramdisk 16:46 < oktay> and the modules, i use as is? 16:46 < ebb> vmlinuz.*.*.* 16:46 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-160-254.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 16:46 < ebb> not sure as i said mine seem to work without 16:46 < oktay> right. 16:47 < ebb> it must use the modules for the kernel i got in here alreay 16:47 -!- Lumiere [misato@jstraw.usercloak.freenode] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:48 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-160-254.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 16:48 -!- OOps [turtle@62-37-160-254.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:49 -!- duca [~Duca@50C58B12.flatrate.dk] has quit ["Klient afslutter"] 16:50 < bill_c_> jfs works very nice with ltsp servers 16:53 < oktay> brb. reboot 16:53 -!- oktay [~oktay@su-nat.datapipe.net] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 17:02 -!- oktay [~oktay@su-nat.datapipe.net] has joined #ltsp 17:03 < oktay> jammcq: does the buildk script overwrite my kernel config and rebuild the kernel? 17:04 -!- punchinette [~louis@l01m-29-237.d0.club-internet.fr] has joined #ltsp 17:05 -!- punchinette [~louis@l01m-29-237.d0.club-internet.fr] has left #ltsp [] 17:10 < bill_c_> oktay, no it tags the kernel so it will work with etherboot 17:10 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:11 < ebb> hmmm good luck oktay 17:12 < oktay> i added MTRR support, but it's gone 17:13 < oktay> spooky 17:13 < oktay> the config file is replaced too 17:13 < ebb> @_o 17:13 < bill_c_> make mrproper will do that :) 17:14 < bill_c_> but I've never had that happen with any of the ltsp packages 17:15 < oktay> ok. let me give this another try then 17:15 < oktay> brb 17:15 -!- oktay [~oktay@su-nat.datapipe.net] has quit ["brb"] 17:15 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-160-077.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:17 -!- OOps [~turtle@62-37-160-254.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ltsp 17:19 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:20 -!- oktay [~oktay@su-nat.datapipe.net] has joined #ltsp 17:20 < oktay> this time it's good.. i have no idea what just happened there before :) 17:33 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@bgp01034173bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 17:34 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.8.22] has joined #ltsp 17:34 < dida> hi all 17:35 < dida> jammcq: r u here? 17:36 < ebb> hies 17:42 -!- dida [~dinda@61.5.8.22] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:49 -!- dbast [SPOOFED@pD9EC5644.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Reconnecting to server - dircproxy 1.0.1"] 17:49 -!- dbast [SPOOFED@pD9EC5644.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 17:55 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-37.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["panic: Brain-fried - core dumped"] 17:55 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 18:04 -!- OOps [~turtle@62-37-160-254.dialup.uni2.es] has quit [] 18:07 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:24 -!- dbast [SPOOFED@pD9EC5644.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:25 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 18:42 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@aspect2.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ltsp 18:45 < oktay> later boys 18:45 -!- oktay [~oktay@su-nat.datapipe.net] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 18:54 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ltsp 18:55 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 18:59 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:03 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has joined #ltsp 19:07 -!- davus [~davus@ns5xp.newhampton.org] has left #LTSP [] 19:17 -!- flavio [~flavio@200-158-87-107.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ltsp 19:18 < flavio> Hi guys! 19:18 < flavio> I translated de LTSP-3.0 to Brazilian Portuguese. 19:21 -!- flavio [~flavio@200-158-87-107.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Client Quit] 19:22 -!- Faithful [~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ltsp 19:26 -!- Mundo [~root@CM-lflo1-9-57.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ltsp 19:27 < Mundo> hi: i have trouble with openoffice, it have a slow menu, what could be? 19:29 < bill_c_> Mundo, what speed is server, how many terminals trying to use it, and how much server memory 19:30 < Mundo> hi, 1 terminal with 16 mb ram, 10 Mbps and the server XP 2400 1.5 GB ram 100 Mbps 19:31 < bill_c_> kde/gnome? 19:31 < Mundo> gnome 19:31 < Mundo> redhat 9 19:32 < bill_c_> just oofice or everything have slow menu's 19:32 < Mundo> just ooffice 19:33 < bill_c_> hmm don't know their, when ever I have a terminal with a 10meg connection, the kmenu lags, and most other graphical menus 19:36 < Mundo> mmm here is just ooffce 19:37 < Mundo> and just the file, edit and view menus 19:37 < bill_c_> have you tried the oo 1.1 rc's 19:38 < bill_c_> i've been using 1.1 rc3 and have been less headaches than 1.0 19:38 < bill_c_> i see rc4 is out now 19:38 < Mundo> no, i don't. 19:39 < Mundo> i try it 19:39 < Mundo> are your terminals at 10 Mbps? 19:39 < bill_c_> 100 19:40 < Mundo> ok, thanks i'll try the oo 1.1 19:52 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 19:57 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 20:03 -!- HiltonT [~HiltonT@dsl-109.129.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:04 -!- bill_c_ [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:06 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:07 -!- cliebow [cliebow@dialup-aggr-598.dialmaine.com] has joined #ltsp 20:08 -!- bill_c_ [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 20:09 < cliebow> ltsp-4..i get a parse error lines=30 it seems rc.sysinit runs all th way thru. Where does control pass to after rc.sysinit? 20:11 < cliebow> i added some echo lines to rc.sysinit so i could see where thinfs screwed up.It goes thru to echo blah blah multi session 20:11 < cliebow> but can't see where the error is 20:12 < cliebow> oh hell cant do this many things at once...... 20:12 -!- cliebow [cliebow@dialup-aggr-598.dialmaine.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:15 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 20:25 -!- arc [~arc@203.Red-217-126-206.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 20:28 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:36 -!- HiltonT [~HiltonT@dsl-109.129.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ltsp 20:53 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 14400 seconds] 21:30 -!- dida [~izal@203.130.222.92] has joined #ltsp 21:30 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:30 < dida> hia all 21:31 <@jammcq> hey dida 21:31 < dida> have you got my package? 21:32 <@jammcq> yes, I sure did get it, thank you 21:32 <@jammcq> i'll put it up in a couple minutes. I just got home 21:32 < dida> i see 21:32 < dida> where r u from? 21:32 <@jammcq> Detroit, Michigan 21:33 < dida> on business? 21:33 < dida> new project? 21:37 <@jammcq> no, just lots of normal day-job stuff 21:39 < david_> jammcq: I've run into a problem with X336-src1; the checksum keeps failing. Are you aware of any problems? 21:39 <@jammcq> hmm, no 21:39 <@jammcq> haven't seen that problem 21:39 <@jammcq> and I did a complete build just a couple days ago 21:40 <@jammcq> re-downloading everything 21:40 <@jammcq> where are you downloading X336-src-1 from ? 21:43 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662595-73.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 21:43 < david_> ltsp.org/tarballs 21:44 < Mundo> hi, i have a question: where the swap help (on the terminal)? 21:44 <@jammcq> Mundo: if you use nfs-swap, then the swapfiles will be in /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 21:45 < dida> jammcq: email me when you've finished upload the file to sourceforge, ok? 21:45 <@jammcq> k 21:48 < dida> thx jim 21:48 <@jammcq> dida: do you have a new document for it ? 21:48 < Mundo> but it is recommended to turn on the "swap" option on the config file, what for? 21:49 <@jammcq> only if you don't have very much memory in the workstation 21:51 < Mundo> ok, i ask it due to i have a troube with the menus of ooffice, they are so slow (the first 3) 21:52 <@jammcq> ah, I think that is a font server issue 21:52 <@jammcq> ooffice is having a problem rendering the fonts for the menues 21:53 <@jammcq> I don't recall the fix for that, but people have dealt with that already 21:54 < Mundo> ah ok, in the mailinglist doesn't show that....thanks 21:54 < dida> jammcq: i modified the previous INSTALL file 21:54 < dida> within the package 21:55 < dida> i'm working on the manual 21:55 <@jammcq> dida: ok, i've got the package on the download page and i'm fixing the contrib/index.php now 21:56 < dida> thanks jim 21:57 <@jammcq> and now the contrib page is finished 22:02 < dida> the doc is still the old one 22:02 <@jammcq> where is the new one ? 22:02 < dida> the INSTALL file 22:02 < dida> included with in the package 22:02 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 22:03 < dida> gtg all 22:03 < dida> thanks alot Jim 22:03 < dida> bye 22:03 <@jammcq> i'll have it fixed in a minute 22:03 < dida> np 22:03 -!- dida [~izal@203.130.222.92] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:15 < david_> jammcq: LBE build is progressing well aside from X336 d/l problem; I removed xfree_336 from the packages list. 22:15 < david_> jammcq: I will try to build just that package later. 22:17 -!- jstraw is now known as Lumiere 22:17 < david_> Good night, folks; I've got an early day tomorrow. 22:18 -!- david_ [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 22:28 -!- mfdutra- [marlon@200.102.112.24] has joined #ltsp 22:28 <@jammcq> Marlon !!! 22:28 < mfdutra-> jammcq!!!!! 22:28 < mfdutra-> how are you? 22:28 <@jammcq> very good, how about you ? 22:28 -!- monkeydiver [deConch@ool-435176ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:28 < mfdutra-> i'm fine. at last i'm at home 22:29 < mfdutra-> i was missing my bed! 22:30 <@jammcq> that was a very long trip 22:30 < mfdutra-> yes, but it was worth while 22:33 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 22:40 * arc is away: Estoy ocupado 22:47 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662595-73.satx.rr.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:47 -!- jond3rd [~jon@202.8.246.83] has left #ltsp ["Client exiting"] 22:53 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has joined #ltsp 23:02 -!- mfdutra- [marlon@200.102.112.24] has quit ["bed"] 23:06 -!- morfic_ is now known as morfic 23:18 -!- morfic is now known as PanTau 23:19 -!- bill_c_ [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:29 -!- PanTau is now known as morfic 23:33 < morfic> jammcq: are you awake for some tcpdump 101? 23:33 <@jammcq> hey morf 23:35 < morfic> 18:40:08.190906 arp who-has cs662588-226.satx.rr.com tell 66.25.80.1 23:35 <@jammcq> ok, that's an arp request 23:35 < morfic> what does that mean why tell my gateway (isp) about this other host 23:35 <@jammcq> what about it ? 23:35 < morfic> and the dump is full of them 23:35 < morfic> 400-500 packets/sec and all tcpdump shows is this 23:35 <@jammcq> hmm 23:36 < morfic> what i need to know is "what does it mean"? 23:36 <@jammcq> are you sure it is ALL arp who-has messages ? 23:36 <@jammcq> it means: 23:36 <@jammcq> on ethernet, for one machine to talk to another, it needs to know the hardware address (MAC addr) of the other machine 23:36 <@jammcq> so, it sends out an arp-request, saying who has this IP addr 23:36 <@jammcq> the machine with that IP addr responds 23:37 <@jammcq> the requester adds that entry to its arp cache 23:37 <@jammcq> I think entries only live in the arp cache for 15 seconds 23:37 <@jammcq> but you shouldn't be seeing 400-500 per second of these 23:37 < morfic> i am 23:37 < morfic> reg traffic is lost 23:37 < morfic> its wichea worm 23:38 < morfic> they try to get to port 80 or 135 on my machine 23:38 <@jammcq> if a machine sends out an arp request, and doesn't get a reply, then it will result in a host-unreachable 23:38 < morfic> cable is ethernet 23:38 < morfic> so that explains the arps 23:38 -!- wantez [~wantez@h180n2fls35o266.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:38 <@jammcq> well, you are also seeing the arp requests of your neighbors also 23:38 < morfic> those are legal machines just wormed windows machines 23:39 < morfic> http log looks like minda some dir traveral vuln 23:39 <@jammcq> huh ? 23:39 < morfic> jammcq: i see their arp? if they tell 66.25.80.1, then why do i see them? or do they ask all ips 23:39 <@jammcq> maybe a code-red worm 23:39 < morfic> s/minda/nimda/ 23:39 <@jammcq> an arp-request is a broadcast 23:40 < morfic> http://www.satx.rr.com/support/security/recent_news_advisories.html 23:40 <@jammcq> you'll see all broadcasts 23:40 < morfic> jammcq ok so that snowballs 23:40 <@jammcq> but I don't think you'll see the replies 23:40 < morfic> and it turns into 400-500 packets 23:40 < morfic> no its just lines like the one i showed you 23:40 < morfic> and every once in a while irc ;P 23:40 <@jammcq> heh 23:43 < morfic> its wild to see 23:44 < morfic> just needed to make sure nothing is accidentaly going through my box if thats just a ton of nosy machines, then thats cool 23:45 < morfic> The worm attempts to download the DCOM RPC patch from Microsoft's Windows Update Web site, install it, and then reboot the computer. The worm checks for active machines to infect by sending an ICMP echo request, or PING, which will result in increased ICMP traffic. The worm will also attempt to remove W32.Blaster.Worm. 23:46 < morfic> i asked someone to check for port 135 since i had that alot in logs (nah not much, just a ot of icmp) 23:47 <@jammcq> even to send a ping, it will do the arp request 23:52 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@aspect2.lnk.telstra.net] has quit ["mtg"] 23:53 < morfic> yeah 23:54 < morfic> thats why i have so much more arps than ip filter messages 23:54 < morfic> the bug icmps around 23:54 < morfic> s/bug/worm/ 23:54 < morfic> damn thats a lot of traffic, glad i have a flat rate 23:55 < morfic> i rebooted 90 minutes ago 23:55 < morfic> and eth0 has received 62MB 23:55 < morfic> i irc 23:55 < morfic> sent 2 emails 23:55 < morfic> and loaded one page of fedex tracking 23:56 < morfic> rest is all traffic from bug 23:56 -!- bill_c [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 23:56 < morfic> jammcq: thanks a lot --- Day changed Thu Sep 11 2003 00:09 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 00:09 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit [Client Quit] 00:12 -!- zeus [~user@67-34-89.adsl.terra.cl] has quit ["sleep sleep sleep, coffee!!!"] 00:24 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:25 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:31 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit ["brb trying elu sched"] 00:34 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 00:37 -!- Mundo [~root@CM-lflo1-9-57.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:40 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@193.156.199.2] has joined #ltsp 00:40 <@jammcq> mornin' ragnar 00:47 -!- manimay__ [~mani@p50809A8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 00:48 -!- manimay_ [~mani@p508090BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:57 < ragnar> jammcq: hey 00:57 < ragnar> you're up late! 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It seems rc.sysinit runs all the way thru. 06:29 < cliebow> where does contol pass to form rc.sysinit? 06:44 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 06:49 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, Vee2d2, robbie, jond3rd 06:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Vee2d2, SmilieZ, robbie, jond3rd 06:49 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by jordan.freenode.net 07:04 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, Vee2d2, robbie, jond3rd 07:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: robbie, jond3rd 07:05 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by jordan.freenode.net 07:05 < cliebow> where does control pass in ltsp-4 aafter rc.sysinit..trracking down "parse error lines=30" 07:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ, Vee2d2 07:05 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.*] by simak.freenode.net 07:08 -!- fusspilz [~me@vcbgate.rrz.uni-hamburg.de] has joined #ltsp 07:09 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, Vee2d2 07:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ, Vee2d2 07:09 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.*] by simak.freenode.net 07:15 -!- cliebow [cliebow@dialup-aggr-758.dialmaine.com] has quit ["[x]chat"] 07:15 < fusspilz> Is anyone out there who have experiences with the bandwith usage of a 800x600 fullscreen video? 07:16 < fusspilz> My question is: is it possible to view a video at 800x600 over a 10 MBit ethernet lane without picture chopping? 07:22 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 07:26 -!- Yngwie [Yngwie@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ltsp 07:35 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085AB43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ltsp 07:35 -!- morfic- [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #ltsp 07:40 -!- morfic- is now known as morfic_ 07:41 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 07:41 -!- morfic_ is now known as morfic 07:44 < fusspilz> Realy nobody with bandwith experiences? 07:45 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 07:51 < dbast> fusspilz: that depends on the videobitrate: it must be <10MBit/s; DivX is at ~1000kbit <- no problem 07:54 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, Vee2d2, robbie, jond3rd, Yngwie 07:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Vee2d2, SmilieZ, Yngwie, robbie, jond3rd 07:54 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au] by jordan.freenode.net 07:58 -!- OOps[x86] [~turtle@62.81.239.122] has joined #ltsp 08:04 < fusspilz> dblast: I don't understand why the video bitrate makes any differences because the videoplayback is on the ltsp-server and if i watch a video on one of the clients it depends only on the remoteX session, or am I wrong? 08:07 < fusspilz> Does remoteX has compression? Or is it possible to optional turn it on? 08:08 -!- bill_c [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 08:09 < Federico3> I think normally not 08:13 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has joined #ltsp 08:13 < msinhore> hello all. 08:15 < msinhore> I am developing applicatory for ltsp a type messages popup with Xdialog 08:15 < msinhore> I have a problem with regard to excluding one file when the usuario to effect logof in the graphical environment. As I can make this? 08:16 < msinhore> the file is temporary. 08:18 < Federico3> sorry? 08:19 < fusspilz> msinhore: Excuse me but I don't know what you're talking about 08:21 < fusspilz> msinhore: Can you explain what you want to do in other words? 08:22 < msinhore> fusspilz: I need exclude a temporary file at the moment of logout of gnome 08:22 -!- Yngwie [Yngwie@203-219-198-66-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:23 < Federico3> do you mean delete? 08:23 < fusspilz> msinhore: exclude from what? Do you want to delete a file? 08:24 < msinhore> because this file is the reference that the user is on-line 08:26 < fusspilz> msinhore: on gnome-logout a shell script with the name "PostSession" is called, you can append any commands like "rm -f session.xy" to this file so the file will be deleted every time you leave gnome. 08:27 < msinhore> the file is created by /etc/profile on the /tmp directory 08:27 < fusspilz> msinhore: But it depends on your distro where the file is located, sometimes it is /etc/gdm/PostSession but it can be /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default, too. It depends on the version. 08:28 < msinhore> ok! 08:28 < msinhore> tanks fusspilz 08:29 -!- bill_c [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:29 < fusspilz> msinhore: no matter where the file is located, you can delete it if you have permissions. And I assume that you have, because the file is created with user permissions. 08:32 < msinhore> I change the permissions on the /etc/profile for ugo+rw :) 08:36 < fusspilz> msinhore: I don't think you need write access to /etc/profile, you need write access to the file that you want to delete 08:41 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has joined #ltsp 08:43 -!- fusspilz [~me@vcbgate.rrz.uni-hamburg.de] has left #ltsp [] 08:45 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has joined #ltsp 08:52 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@193.156.199.2] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 08:55 -!- msinhore [~msinhore@200.162.13.34] has quit ["Finalizando Cliente"] 09:02 < nelius> Hi Jim, have u got an idea for my debian lbe compile problem? 09:03 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit ["Client exiting"] 09:06 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has joined #ltsp 09:10 -!- blusyit_ [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 09:28 -!- efv3|aWY [black@pD9E1DEAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:28 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DEAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 09:33 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 09:41 -!- joebaker [~joebaker@rrcs-west-67-52-9-110.biz.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 09:45 < joebaker> jammcq: Is anybody using LTSP to run VNCviewer rather than XFree86? I think I'd like the desktop sessions to remain on the server so client machines can be powered off while keeping the state of the desktop sessions. 09:48 < Federico3> interesting 09:48 < kVanQue> well, remember that with vnc you need a vnc server per workstation, otherwise you end up with users haveing the same desktop 09:50 < joebaker> kVanQue: I plan on running 20 unique vncdesktop sessions on the server with each user having a unique session number. The command to do these is sudo -H -u joeuser vncserver :3 -geometry 1024x768 -depth 16 09:51 < kVanQue> yes yes 09:51 < joebaker> This way we avoid the morning rush to start up all the desktop sessions, users simply connect. 09:51 < kVanQue> and the session number is the port the server is running on then ? 09:51 < joebaker> 5900 + portnumber = actual tcp port 09:52 < joebaker> The other benefit may be that there will be only one colormap for the vnc application for machines with little ram. I'm hoping for this anyway. 09:54 < joebaker> The thing to watch out for with VNC is loosing keyboard focus. But then all a person would need to do is reboot their station. This happens to me alot when I use Alt-Tab. 09:54 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:55 < joebaker> Ideally, I'd like to figure out how to run the svnc program so X Windows doesn't have to run on the client at all. 09:55 -!- zeus [~user@200.89.50.129] has joined #ltsp 09:55 < zeus> good morning 09:56 < joebaker> The other benefit of VNCServers on the server would be desktop sharing. I'm guessing the LTSP project doesn't have a vncserver running on the client. 09:56 -!- project9_ [~chatzilla@210.212.169.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]"] 09:57 < joebaker> Pitching deployment of Linux on the desktop requires (in my opinion) a train as you go approach which allows remote administrators to work with the end-user directely to solve their problems. 09:58 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085AB43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:59 < MetaCosm> joebaker: I would argue that vnc is not a good solution in this case. 10:00 < MetaCosm> the response, the timing, the small issues is fine for remote administration, but I wouldn't really recommend it for thin-clients.... but it is easily do-able 10:00 < MetaCosm> by tweaking the x-startup stuff 10:01 < MetaCosm> same way you could make a thin client connect to a windows terminal server box using rdesktop (which I am much more ok with, as compared to VNC) 10:01 < MetaCosm> Also, don't get me wrong, I love VNC... use it at least 10 times a day... but just for clarity and response I wouldn't recommend it. 10:02 < MetaCosm> I would HATE being jacked into a VNC session for 8 hours (and, if you do decide todo it, PLEASE put on full screen polling!) 10:08 -!- david_ [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 10:08 < joebaker> MetaCosm: Thanks for the feedback. 10:08 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:10 * morfic wonders where fullscreen polling is in this vncviewer 10:10 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 10:10 < MetaCosm> morfic: vncserver side 10:10 < MetaCosm> is where the command is 10:11 < morfic> joebaker: you should say 5900 + displaynumber == tcp ort number using port twice is a tad off 10:11 < MetaCosm> so is the word "ort" 10:12 -!- optiklenz [~jgabriel@200.162.236.150.sao.ajato.com.br] has joined #ltsp 10:12 < optiklenz> hello :D 10:12 < optiklenz> i have a problem with my printer 10:12 < optiklenz> hmm 10:12 < david_> What problem with your printer? 10:13 < optiklenz> it doesnt print 10:13 < david_> What distribution are you using? 10:13 < david_> What print spooler are you using (lpr, cups)? 10:13 < optiklenz> iam use k12 with rh8,0 10:13 < optiklenz> lpr 10:14 < david_> If you type lpq, do you get a list of print jobs? 10:14 < optiklenz> yes 10:14 < morfic> MetaCosm: ok restarting, wanna see if it makes a difference, although it sounds like it needs more bandwidth 10:14 < optiklenz> and without error 10:14 < optiklenz> hello morfic :D 10:14 < morfic> MetaCosm: point taken 10:14 < morfic> joebaker: you should say 5900 + displaynumber == tcp port number using port twice is a tad off 10:14 < morfic> hey 10:15 < david_> What do you get if you type 'service lpd status' 10:15 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:15 < optiklenz> lpd is running 10:15 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com] has joined #ltsp 10:16 < david_> lpr can be told not to print; ' # lpc (ENTER) STOP PRINTER' I think. 10:16 < joebaker> morfic: Thanks for the correction. 10:16 < david_> Can you make sure that the printers are started 10:18 < david_> optiklenz: It might be 'pdisable' or 'disable', too; sorry, it's been a while since I used lpr. 10:18 < optiklenz> david_: hmmm ok iam tryit 10:18 < optiklenz> thanx david 10:18 < david_> optiklenz: Try 'which enable' and 'which penable' 10:18 < david_> optiklenz: What do you get? 10:19 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has joined #ltsp 10:19 < david_> New question: does anyone here have much experience with LVM? I thought I knew what I was doing, but I've run into something odd. 10:19 -!- sbartleylinux [~sbartley@204.182.52.178] has quit [Client Quit] 10:21 < morfic> MetaCosm: man pages of vncserver nor Xvnc show a poll fullscreen option 10:21 * MetaCosm wonders if it is a tightvnc add-on 10:22 -!- pr0m [~pr0metheu@ip-wv-68-187-250-031.charterwv.net] has quit ["That's it, I quit!"] 10:23 < morfic> im looking over tightvnc docs :) 10:25 < MetaCosm> morfic: might be windows specific ... about 90% of the servers I run are on windows 10:26 < morfic> poll fullscreen is on windows tightvnc, indeed 10:27 < morfic> what is it using in linux then, hm well if i cant change it i might as well not know which it is 10:27 < morfic> ssh over stunnel, sweet 10:29 -!- dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 10:30 < MetaCosm> bbiab 10:30 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:33 -!- Federico3 [~ceratto@pcainf14.ing.uniroma1.it] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 10:40 -!- optiklenz [~jgabriel@200.162.236.150.sao.ajato.com.br] has quit ["optiklenz has no reason"] 10:41 -!- Faithful [~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 10:55 -!- blusyit_ is now known as blusyit 10:56 -!- poulerik [~poulerik@74.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk] has joined #ltsp 10:58 < poulerik> hej i have a weerd problem my teminal is way too slow 10:58 < david_> is it a new problem? 10:59 < poulerik> in some way i have erlyer set op ltsp with great succes on mutc smaller equipment 10:59 < david_> So this is a new LTSP server, and a new LTSP terminal? 11:00 < poulerik> well actuallu it is not direktly at ltsp system 11:00 < david_> How so? 11:00 < poulerik> i am just trying too connect as a terminal to my laptop 11:00 < david_> OK. I do this myself. 11:01 < david_> What are you doing? 11:01 < david_> Sorry, I meant, what commands are you using to connect laptop as terminal? 11:01 < poulerik> i know 11:02 < poulerik> im am connecting with XFre86 :1 -query 192.168.1.3 11:02 < poulerik> i get a login 11:02 < david_> I assume 192.168.1.3 is your LTSP server. 11:03 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 11:03 < poulerik> but there are minutes of waiting just for the keybord to respons 11:03 < david_> What kind of laptop do you have? I have had problems on my Dell Inspiron 5000e when I run more than one instance of X. 11:03 < poulerik> it si at asus 3800 11:04 < david_> I don't know anything special about asus 3800 and multiple instances of X... 11:04 < david_> Have you tried using tcpdump or top? 11:04 < poulerik> the anooing thing is that i had it up running fine when i used mandrake on it 11:04 < poulerik> no 11:04 < david_> have you made any network changes lately? 11:05 < poulerik> tcpdump how does that work 11:05 < david_> Switch to a text terminal on your laptop and type 'tcpdump'; this will dump IP packet headers to your screen. 11:06 < poulerik> i will try that one moment 11:06 < david_> What fontpath statements are in your XF86config on the laptop? 11:07 < david_> If you run tcpdump, run it locally. If you run it remotely, you will see your own traffic and flood your network. 11:13 < poulerik> ther is a lot of arp who has requiests it seem to be from the router, i think i have to look a litle bit into my router setup 11:14 < david_> How big is you network? 11:15 < david_> Do you use hubs or switches? Do you have more than one hub/switch? 11:15 < poulerik> it si only a adsl router a switch and to michines 11:15 < david_> Sorry, how big is YOUR network? 11:15 < david_> ok. 11:16 < david_> So your switch has three cables attached (router, server, laptop), right? 11:16 < poulerik> yes 11:22 < david_> Sorry, I got a call there... 11:22 < david_> On the server, run 'route -n' 11:22 < david_> Then run the same thing on the laptop. 11:22 < david_> You should see Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 11:22 < david_> 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 11:22 < david_> on both machines. 11:23 < david_> You may also see another line that looks like this: 11:23 < david_> 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 11:24 < poulerik> i do 11:25 < poulerik> that seems to be as it should bee 11:26 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@cvip-as05-ppp81.cvip.net] has joined #ltsp 11:29 < david_> OK, check your name servers next. What does '/etc/resolv.conf' say on the server and laptop? 11:29 < david_> Are you running a name server or using your ISPs? 11:30 < david_> Does your adsl router have a firewall? 11:30 < david_> Does your server have a firewall? If you're using K12LTSP, do you have two network cards in the server? 11:31 < joebaker> morfic: MetaCosm: RealVNC Windows client beat TightVNC windows client in my recent performance tests. When using against a TightVNC server from a win98 client machine. 11:31 < poulerik> there is a firewall 11:31 < poulerik> about nics it is a bit mor complicated 11:31 < morfic> joebaker: tried NX? 11:32 < david_> Let's chat in the other room and post our results here later... 11:32 < poulerik> there is a wireles nic but so fare RH cannot se it 11:32 < MetaCosm> joebaker: realvnc has some stability issues (for me) due to the active code base 11:32 < MetaCosm> but I have high hopes 11:32 < MetaCosm> it has the core developers of vnc 11:32 < MetaCosm> so ... good stuff 11:33 < morfic> MetaCosm: or have you actually tried NX? 11:34 < MetaCosm> NX? 11:42 -!- poulerik [~poulerik@74.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 11:46 -!- ragnar [~ragnar@ti221110a080-3789.bb.online.no] has joined #ltsp 11:50 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 11:53 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-160-077.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ltsp 11:59 < joebaker> morfic: What's NX? 12:08 < morfic> www.nomachine.com 12:12 -!- frame [~frame@213-35-223-210-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has joined #ltsp 12:17 -!- bill_c [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 12:29 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has joined #ltsp 12:34 < joebaker> Just tried NX. It's nice, but all it really addes is sound support to ssh & VNC. Didn't seem to use fullscreen polling either. 12:44 < bill_c> NX? 12:46 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:51 -!- heino [heino@p508E2AA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:58 < |^JaMeS^|> hey bill, gentoo is still compiling... :P 13:03 < bill_c> yup I've head it takes near a week on 400's 13:03 < |^JaMeS^|> hehe 13:03 < |^JaMeS^|> ouch 13:04 < |^JaMeS^|> i also added lvm to my install 13:04 < |^JaMeS^|> it was a learning experience 13:04 < bill_c> really teaches how to read the manual 13:04 < |^JaMeS^|> i did 13:05 < |^JaMeS^|> it's my first time installing gentoo 13:05 < |^JaMeS^|> and lvm 13:05 < |^JaMeS^|> double whammy experience 13:05 < bill_c> yeah lvm is fun 13:06 < bill_c> if you have a faster amd computer you can build the binary packages for the slower one 13:06 < bill_c> in a chroot 13:06 < |^JaMeS^|> too late 13:06 < |^JaMeS^|> compiling in progress 13:06 < bill_c> then you can use distcc to speed up compiling from then on 13:06 < |^JaMeS^|> plus i'm doing it at school 13:07 < |^JaMeS^|> yea, will do that next time 13:07 < bill_c> you can add distcc to your slow computer when you done 13:08 < bill_c> so that when updates happen, it will send as much as it can to faster 13:08 < |^JaMeS^|> ok 13:12 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #ltsp 13:13 < morfic> jammcq: i look through the homedirs of the lts clients see if i can get rid of clutter, i find this: -rw------- 1 lakeview3 lakeview3 727044 Jul 12 15:18 BlowAndYakkszxuke2.mpg i guess i do have to look for a filter afterall 13:14 < morfic> assuming it is what im afraid it is 13:16 -!- morfic is now known as morfic_ 13:16 -!- morfic_ is now known as morfic- 13:17 -!- morfic- is now known as morfic 13:28 < joebaker> |^JaMeS^|: You might try using EVMS Enterprise Volume Management Service. Gentoo's first final release of 1.4 broke compatibility with EVMS support compiled into their kernel, but it's really a worth while tool to use. On the fly GUI management of your logical volumes, resize, add space across new drives, etc... 13:28 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:29 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has joined #ltsp 13:38 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@cvip-as05-ppp81.cvip.net] has quit ["Money talks, bullshit walks..."] 13:39 < david_> bill_c: Got a sec? I'd like to talk to you about lvm... 13:40 < david_> I'm a long-time user & I've run into a weird problem. 13:42 -!- UselessKnowldge [~useless@oh-ironton-u1-c511a-11.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has joined #LTSP 13:42 < UselessKnowldge> Hey all. Does anyone know if it's possible to show an image upon startup using the fb instead of the startup scripts and whatnot? 13:44 -!- MetaCosm_ [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 13:59 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:01 < morfic> UselessKnowldge: look at bootsplash 14:01 < morfic> something to patch up your kernel with, ltsp has LPP kernel too iirc 14:01 < morfic> bootsplash is much fancier i ASSUME, i never saw LPP 14:07 < UselessKnowldge> Thx, morfic. I'll check that out, see what I can do. 14:07 -!- UselessKnowldge [~useless@oh-ironton-u1-c511a-11.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:13 -!- efv3|aWY [black@p50875FA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ltsp 14:31 -!- Mr_TRaNS [black@pD9E1DEAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:38 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@129.8.216.82] has joined #ltsp 14:41 < Zaw> have any of you seen a problem where you run rdesktop from an ltsp server, and it works fine, except when the user uses a shift key to capitalize some letters, if he then uses the keypad for numbers, the next time he uses the shift key for capital letters they come out as lowercase 14:41 < Zaw> if he uses the number keys at the top of the keyboard, it works fine, but the keypad numbers seem to have some effect on the shift keys not working properly 14:43 < david_> I haven't seen this. 14:44 -!- dbast [SPOOFED@pD9EC6DBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:44 -!- parsley [[QGEztnDBL@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 14:44 < Zaw> it was hell trying to troubleshoot it, since we thought the users were just typing in their passwords wrong. turns out that the shift key was being disabled temporarily due to the keypad numbers being used. such as a password like MAr123A 14:44 < Zaw> it would come out as MAr123a 14:45 < david_> That sounds like it would be pretty bad. 14:45 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085AB43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ltsp 14:45 < Zaw> yes, it is 14:46 < Zaw> i was hoping someone might have some insight as to what could be going wrong, like the keymap file or something 14:46 < david_> I have seen situations where the capslock light was wrong (eg, if the light's on, capslock is off). this only happened when switching between virtual terminals, though. 14:47 < david_> Ragnar, have you used rdesktop? 14:49 < Zaw> i'm thinking that maybe i could write a custom modmap file to make the number keys on the keypad register as the same keycodes as the top row numbers 14:51 < david_> Zaw: custom modmaps are (almost) never the best solution with X 14:51 -!- g-paiva [~g-paiva@srv00.el.com.br] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:52 < david_> How did you work out what was happening? 14:57 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ltsp 14:58 < Zaw> we figured out that was what was happening by watching people type in their password, using the keypad and saw that was the only difference (the admins were typing in their usernames/passwords with the normal keys not the keypad) 14:58 -!- |^JaMeS^| [nobody@129.8.216.82] has quit ["Money talks, bullshit walks..."] 14:58 < Zaw> and we tested it, and sure enough that is what's happening. it does it in every application running in rdesktop 14:59 < Zaw> anytime you hit the keypad for numbers, it makes the shift key not work the first time you use it 14:59 < david_> Zaw: does the capslock light change? 14:59 < Zaw> yeah, the capslock light changes 15:00 < david_> So if you type MA123AB, you get MA123aB? 15:00 < Zaw> you know what? it does the exact same thing for CAPSLOCK 15:00 < Zaw> if i type MA123AB, using the keypad, i get MA123ab 15:01 < david_> I'm thinking that something quirky is happening, like a key-up event not getting posted. 15:01 < Zaw> that is SHIFT-MA, keypad 123, SHIFT-AB 15:01 < david_> And if you type SHIFT-MA keypad 123, SHIFT-let go-SHIFT-AB, does it work? 15:02 < Zaw> SHIFT-MA, keypad 123, SHIFT-AB comes out as MA123ab whereas SHIFT-MA, number keys at the top of the keyboard 123, SHIFT-AB comes out as MA123AB 15:02 -!- parsley [[QGEztnDBL@linuxjedi.org] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:02 < david_> Can you test SHIFT-MA, keypad 123, SHIFT-unshift-SHIFT-AB? 15:03 < Zaw> one sec 15:05 < Zaw> ok, if i do SHIFT-MA, keypad 123, SHIFT-unshift-SHIFT-AB i get MA123ab 15:06 < Zaw> it's like the shift key won't register after hitting the numbers in the keypad 15:06 < Zaw> but if i type something else and hit shift it works again 15:06 < david_> So hitting shift twice after using the keypad won't work. hmmm. 15:06 < Zaw> yeah, it's strange 15:07 < david_> How about this: turn on the capslock and type ma123ab; you should get MA123AB. Do you? 15:07 < david_> Does this only happen inside rdesktop? Could you through an xterm up on a display to test this? 15:08 < Zaw> the bottom line is that if i use a number key on the keypad, i cannot use shift-anything afterwards unless i hit another key 15:08 < david_> Yes. The question, of course, is whether this bug is in X or rdesktop. 15:09 < david_> Anyone on the channel using LVM? 15:09 < Zaw> well, i can connect to the same server via rdesktop from my laptop and i don't have the problem, so i'm thinking it's definitely x-windows related 15:12 -!- efv3|aWY [black@p50875FA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ltsp [] 15:16 < Zaw> maybe i'm loading a 101 key map file and i have a 105 key keyboard 15:17 < david_> That might do it. 15:17 < david_> Are you going to test your modmap? 15:31 -!- UselessKnowldge [~useless@oh-ironton-u1-c511a-11.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has joined #LTSP 15:35 -!- mfdutra [~marlon@200-180-160-077.paemt7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:45 -!- joebaker [~joebaker@rrcs-west-67-52-9-110.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:53 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@198.109.32.13] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:53 -!- UselessKnowldge [~useless@oh-ironton-u1-c511a-11.irtnoh.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:57 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:01 < zeus> /whois unixoz 16:07 -!- david_ [~david@clt74-21-214.carolina.rr.com] has left #ltsp ["Client Exiting"] 16:08 -!- carlos-da-man [~carlos@200.56.176.116] has joined #ltsp 16:09 -!- MetaCosm_ [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:10 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-37.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ltsp 16:21 -!- pattieja [~pattieja@sc2-24.217.177.39.charter-stl.com] has joined #ltsp 16:42 -!- pLin_io [~aquesada@102.Red-217-127-244.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 16:46 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 16:57 -!- ebb [0@82-44-186-37.cable.ubr06.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["panic: Brain-fried - core dumped"] 17:13 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 17:13 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #LTSP 17:22 -!- bill_c [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:22 -!- bill_c [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:35 -!- greendisease [~jack@dsl081-200-018.nyc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ltsp 17:48 -!- morfic_ [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 17:49 -!- morfic [~U3N@07f3186ea50d.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:50 -!- morfic_ is now known as morfic 17:51 -!- parsley [[xH8HyAI9x@linuxjedi.org] has joined #ltsp 18:18 -!- MetaCosm [~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 18:19 < carlos-da-man> is LBX (Low Bandwidth X) supported ltsp? 18:21 -!- jhansk01 [~jhansk01@bgp01034173bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ltsp 18:22 -!- ks|wrk [~kszwed@aspect2.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ltsp 18:22 < ks|wrk> hi kids ;) 18:22 * ks|wrk hides from jammcq 18:27 -!- nelius [~nelius@p5085AB43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:30 -!- t0m [~tom@D5771A74.kabel.telenet.be] has quit ["Visit www.linugen.com"] 18:37 -!- mistik1 changed the topic of #ltsp to: Linux Terminal Server Project Help Channel || To Receive help here, ask a question, and then wait for a little bit, we'll try to get to you as soon as possible! if noone is around try the mailing lists ( http://ltsp.org or http://k12ltsp.org ) || Paste stuff to http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/ || distro help -> distro channels :) killerwall is @ www.killerwall.net 18:44 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:51 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 18:51 -!- bill_c [~gentoo@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:53 < carlos-da-man> hi ks|wrk 18:58 < ks|wrk> hello carlos-da-man 19:01 < carlos-da-man> is LBX (Low Bandwidth X) supported? 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20:54 <@jammcq> ranger: hey 20:55 < ranger> hey jammcq 20:56 < ranger> jammcq, you got a sec? 20:56 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, Vee2d2 20:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ, Vee2d2 20:56 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.*] by simak.freenode.net 20:58 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, Vee2d2 20:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Vee2d2, SmilieZ 20:58 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.* *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com] by brin.freenode.net 20:59 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, Vee2d2 20:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ, Vee2d2 20:59 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.*] by simak.freenode.net 21:00 <@jammcq> ranger: sure, what up ? 21:00 < ranger> jammcq, you know about pxe right? 21:02 < ranger> can you gimmie the 1-2-3 of pxe. I want to take any boot disk, and create a PXE image out of it so I can boot from a nic that supports pxe 21:02 < ranger> i thought I had it figured out, but no such luck 21:02 <@jammcq> yeah, go to this page: http://www.ltsp.org/instructions-3.0.html 21:02 < ranger> thought you might have bumped into that before; either I have a bad pxe image or i'm missing something 21:02 <@jammcq> in the upper-right corner is a bunch of packages. near the bottom is a package called 'pxestuff'. download that and read the README file 21:03 < ranger> ok, lemme check out 21:03 < ranger> btw, erwin has been in the AP and I havent gotten my shirt yet 21:04 < ranger> if you and I didnt know what erwin looked like, i might think he took it for himself ;) 21:04 <@jammcq> ranger: heh, I know what you mean :) 21:04 < ranger> hahahaha 21:04 <@jammcq> what is the AP ? 21:05 <@jammcq> btw, erwin and I wear the same size shirts :) 21:06 < ranger> I know, that's the funny part :) 21:06 < ranger> ap = asia pacific 21:07 <@jammcq> that's what I was thinking 21:07 < ranger> Erwin has been a very busy man since he took his new job; same here for that matter 21:09 < ranger> holy smokes, in the dhcpd.conf example, what gives with this ->option vendor-encapsulated-options 09:0f:80:00:0c:4e:65:74:77:6f:72:6b:20:62:6f:6f:74:0a:07:00:50:72:6f:6d:70:74:06:01:02:08:03:80:00:00:47:04:80:00:00:00:ff; 21:10 <@jammcq> I have NO idea what that means. I just stole it from somewhere else 21:11 < ranger> my image must be wacked; i was hoping to take this powerquest image and make a pxe image out of it 21:11 < ranger> that seems to be the hurdle 21:12 <@jammcq> what is a 'powerquest' image ? 21:13 < ranger> drive image pro, sometimes called dip. its a dos/win based utility that can be used to backup linux and win partitions, save-restore kind of stuff 21:13 <@jammcq> well, you need a boot loader that knows how to load that type of image 21:13 <@jammcq> we use pxe to load something called 'pxelinux', which is a linux bootloader 21:13 < ranger> yeah, i would think the nic could do that no? 21:14 <@jammcq> the pxe rom itself is limited to loading 32kb 21:14 <@jammcq> you really need to load a 2nd stage bootloader to then load your os image 21:14 < ranger> ahhh 21:14 < ranger> it did make two files, test.0 and test.1 21:14 < ranger> where test.0 is really small and test.1 ~ 1.4mb 21:15 <@jammcq> small isn't necessarily the problem 21:15 <@jammcq> it needs to be small AND conform to the PXE spec 21:15 <@jammcq> once the bootloader is loaded, it can do whatever it wants, like load a linux kernel 21:17 < ranger> fair, it did gimmie a boot loader when i used the win pxe server, so i need to figure out how that worked an work backwards so that I can use my linux server i guess 21:17 -!- kentz [hahaha@12-233-236-2.client.attbi.com] has joined #ltsp 21:19 < ranger> would they call that a bstrap? 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02:19 < asaf> login screen is not appearing 02:22 < asaf> we get a msg on the client saying to "to provide a screen section in XF86config for at least one of the following graphics drivers mono or vga16 02:22 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:25 < asaf> hello 02:26 < chris1> hi 02:26 < ragnar_> asaf: so you need to tell us more 02:27 < ragnar_> perhaps try a different driver for the graphics card 02:28 < asaf> the XF86config under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc directory is empty. 02:28 < ragnar_> it is built for the client on the fly 02:29 -!- morfic [~morfic@cs662593-195.satx.rr.com] has joined #ltsp 02:29 < ragnar_> you need to edit lts.conf to use a different driver if LTSP cannot identify the graphics card automatically 02:29 < jond3rd> empty? not a symlink ? 02:30 < asaf> ok so i have tried most of the drivers like SVGA and VGA16 w/o success 02:30 < ragnar_> vesa? 02:30 < ragnar_> is the graphics card old? 02:30 < asaf> yes about 4 years 02:35 -!- macros_ [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has joined #ltsp 02:35 -!- macros [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:39 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:46 -!- macros [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has joined #ltsp 02:46 -!- macros_ [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:48 -!- keyur [~keyurjbha@203.187.202.98] has joined #ltsp 02:49 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SmilieZ, Vee2d2 02:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SmilieZ, Vee2d2 02:49 -!- ServerMode/#ltsp [+bbb *!*bjohnson@*.tor.istop.com *!*mundy@*.225.220.203.acc01-walk-gaw.comindico.com.au *!*DrEvil@64.42.224.*] by simak.freenode.net 02:50 -!- josant [~jose@220.Red-81-37-76.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ltsp 02:54 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has quit ["Irssi!"] 03:13 -!- blusyit [~nah@202.81.61.48] has joined #ltsp 03:18 -!- chris1 [~chris1@ist.dsl.pe.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:24 -!- macros_ [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has joined #ltsp 03:27 -!- macros [~jasonc@206.244.68.252] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:35 < keyur> calibrating delay loop ? 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